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Chris Eldridge, Harrisburg PA — Wed, 31 Jan 2007 02:28:53 GMT

There are realistic ways to try to see how many advanced civilizations there are nearby. Not by guessing, but by building space telescopes so strong that they could actually see the cloud tops and land masses of other earth-like planets around other stars. The technology to do so is called interferometry. By taking several small telescopes flying in sink hundreds of miles apart and combining their light into a central telescope, it can produce a telescope with a the exact same resolution as a telescope 100s of miles wide, not just 2.5 meters like Hubble. Such technology exists and was even being planned for the latter part of the next decade by NASA until put on hold. You want to talk about conspiracies? Let's talk about the decided lack of funding for missions specifically to look for life on Mars and Europa (a moon of Jupiter with an ocean 60 miles deep under a layer of 10-mile thick ice). The Spirit and Opportunity rovers are sure cute and rather useful but considering that Mars is the planet most likely to have once harbored microbial life, it’s a total shame we could not send something a bit more robust.

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fred meyer — Wed, 31 Jan 2007 04:43:57 GMT

Yes it is an alien invasion. That is why the government is bad. Note how it is bad, but not so bad that the people are intolerant. It has been that way since WWII.

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Mark K — Wed, 31 Jan 2007 09:56:48 GMT

If any UFO sightings are indeed not of this Earth why do we assume the craft is inhabited by organic lifeforms? Maybe their home command center operates on a budget.

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Splatt Orlando FL — Wed, 31 Jan 2007 13:27:49 GMT

The sightings are ourselves in time travel crafts from the future.....laughing at how stupid we are

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Wade Whitlock, Aberdeen, MD — Wed, 31 Jan 2007 13:57:48 GMT

A UFO is just that, and nothing more. Unidentified Flying Object. It is not identified as a particular object, is transiting the atmosphere (flying) and is presumed to be an object (as opposed to plasma).

Now, on that basis how about a good rational discussion. I have seen objects that I could not identify and I am pretty good at aircraft recognition. I have been fairly active as an amateur astronomer. Does that mean I have seen LGM-bearing (Little Green Men) spaceships? No, but neither does it mean I haven't. To have certain knowledge in either case takes it out of the UFO status.

Chris, don't forget the era of "Better, Faster, Cheaper!" Also, don't forget that you never get to pick more than two!!!

As for a conspiracy, to what purpose? As an example, the NRA may be a conspiracy by gun and ammo manufacturers. There is a purpose. Any race that could traverse interstellar space and infiltrate a government would surely want a better run place than we are getting now. Unless you believe they want the place crapped up with mercury, air pollution, greenhouse effects, depleted uranium, etc. If they can live in those conditions they are better than I am!

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TheFallibleFiend, Lorton, VA — Wed, 31 Jan 2007 14:04:02 GMT

Such an array of telescopes would be useful for thing that don't have anything to do with aliens. Here's the thing: if we could examine every single star system within 1000 light years and determine somehow that there were no advanced civilizations on any of them, there would still be people who would say that it must be aliens from farther away, or it must be aliens we've missed, or it must be something other than what it is.

We love conspiracy theories. Real science takes time, patience, and a whole lot of work.

On the good side, if we actually do discover another advanced civilization, it would be one of the most important events in the history of humanity - not because of any applications, but simply because of how it might alter our perception of our place in the cosmos.

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Andy Rakaczky, Sun Valley, NV — Wed, 31 Jan 2007 14:15:13 GMT

Isn't it odd that with everybody and his/her brother carrying a camcorder, that there aren't a lot more UFO sightings? If they're really here (and I desperately wish they were), why don't we see them?

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Bob, Reston, VA — Wed, 31 Jan 2007 14:34:33 GMT

UFOs are real in the sense that there are unquestionably flying objects that have not been identified. However, even though there is no evidence against the existence of other intelligent species other places in the universe, there is no reason to believe that UFOs are related to extraterrestrial intelligence. The biggest argument against the theory that UFOs are caused by extraterrestrials visiting Earth is the wide discrepencies in the reports. During the European mercantile expansion of the 16th and 17th centuries, tall sailing ships came into the view of many preindustrial peoples who had not previously experienced anything like such vessels. Even if one's contacts were limited to preindustrial observers who had only seen tall ships offshore, these witnesses would have given a consistent account of what that had seen, in objective terms, even if their subjective interpretations varied. With UFOs, there is a broad range of objective events within the category of UFO sightings. Those who ask us to believe that these are sightings of extraterrestrial space ships are asking us to believe, not that a single space faring culture with a single space travelling technology is visiting us, but that a multitude of space faring cultures with multiple space travelling technologies are visiting us. In the absence of unambiguous evidence for visits by even one extraterrestrial culture, there is absolutely no basis for believing in visits by multiple extraterrestrial cultures. If UFOs were actually extraterrestrial space ships, one would expect more consistency from one UFO account to another. It is easier to believe that those UFOs sightings which are not frauds are, in actuality, attributable to a variety of mundane (but unidentified) causes which were, simply, not apparent to the observers.

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Wayne M. — Wed, 31 Jan 2007 15:38:01 GMT

I've witnessed UFOs myself. Unfortunately, none of them stayed that way. I eventually found out what each one really was. Having grown up in Roswell, I guess I've always been a little more curious about UFOs. But I'm also very sceptical about most sightings. I hear a lot about government coverups and conspiracies. Having spent 21 years in the Air Force I can tell you that it's almost impossible to keep a secret for very long. I personally don't believe we will ever be visited by alien creatures due to the vast distances involved with space travel and with the extreme remoteness of our planet. But if they do eventually show up, I just hope they're friendly.

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jim jimmerson — Wed, 31 Jan 2007 16:46:14 GMT

uh you guys sound crazy. Those telescopes would cost billions upon billions and in the end is it worth knowing there are other earthlike planets. I think we know that by now. Right now we should concentrate on getting earth back on track. Our government has some tough decisions ahead and we should make sure they don't screw up. Spening billions on telescopes just won't due right now. As much as I'd love to explore deep space it's just not worth it.

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JC, Riverton — Wed, 31 Jan 2007 17:14:33 GMT

For every credible sighting there are going to be hundreds of misidentified meteors, aircraft, etc., and it's just the nature of the subject. You take the good with the bad and filter as best as you can. Skeptics are necessary filters.

When something truly unexplainable is reported people start looking at the sky and report that the planet Venus is hovering over their neighbors house. Skeptics then take these misidentifications and paint all sightings as equally erroneous.

Misidentifications can cause clogs.

Sometimes filters clog, too.

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the donald (the other one) — Wed, 31 Jan 2007 17:35:00 GMT

the gOverMent is controld byth ALIENS! What isity ou DOnt unDerstan!d

Help, iam been HELD prisnoER by lookalikes from the planet Albatron!

the reel donald rumsFEld

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David Laurence, Dallas, TX — Wed, 31 Jan 2007 17:54:27 GMT

I forget the original argument, but I think it went something like (pull out your calculators):

With an avg. (just say, for argument's sake) of 150 billion stars per galaxy and (I think at last count) upty-billions of galaxies, even if the probability of a civilized species evolving capable of space flight were only 0.0000001% (plug that into your upty-trillions number on your calculator), then some HAVE EVOLVED. The problem? Where are they? There should at least be probes and possibly automated research stations. We are alone. So far...

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TheFallibleFiend, Lorton, VA — Wed, 31 Jan 2007 19:51:44 GMT

Your link to http://www.dailygrail.com/node/4133 in the other thread seems to be pretty damning of the entire O'Hare incident. At this point, it just doesn't seem like there's anything that needs to be explained.

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JC, Riverton — Wed, 31 Jan 2007 20:20:29 GMT

Chris as potentially life altering as an interferometric telescope array has the potential to be for all mankind, it's just not going to be funded because the money is needed for more important things like keeping the U.S. addicted to oil and rebuilding below sea level cities that keep getting flooded. I think Robert Byrd needs a new Hog Belly Museum constructed right away. Science will have to wait.

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Jon, Atlanta Georgia — Wed, 31 Jan 2007 20:49:53 GMT

here's my take. I think that people do indeed misjudge a lot of space junk as UFO's.

I'm a trained Navy observer and have stood many a watch on a ship out at sea. My training taught me all about the effects of light bending around the planet (why the moon looks bigger on the horizon) and what to look for when identifying other flying craft.

I've seen the O'Hare images and pulled them into Photoshop. They have no artifacts that would suggest fraud. I've seen four images from four different angles. That makes three people so far taking images, with one person taking two. My point? It would have to really be a slow day at the office for me to put forth the effort to fake the images we are seeing using three cell phone cameras and work in an image of the little gray disc that I saw in them. Indeed, I can make one of these ships in Blender or Maya in mere seconds and paste into the images and blow them out on the Internet.

But why?

O'Hare has plenty of business already, so they don't need the hassle of UFOs making the FAA and NORAD nervous.

I think that our little blue planet has been screaming our existence in every direction since the early part of the 20th century when the first high power transmissions were made. (did anyone pay attention to "Contact"?)

Why is it so hard for people to realize that extraterrestrials have taken more of interest in us because we are making ourselves known?

It's like me shining a flashlight at you from fifteen miles away from your vessel at sea....we might not be able to communicate perfectly, but you know I'm there and you might go my direction just to see what was shining the light!

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GW — Wed, 31 Jan 2007 20:53:12 GMT

The O'Hare incident is the best of them. Many good witnesses from different angles saying the same thing. Too bad there are no really good photos (at least not yet). Then again, again photos can be easily faked these days.

No way its weather phenomena. The FAA and UAL should have just said "we don't know what it was", but I can certainly understand why they'd want to deflect interest from the whole affair.

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steve,lexington,ky — Wed, 31 Jan 2007 21:18:26 GMT

mr boyle, u sound like some of those people that get on tv and tell the people that ufos are swamp gas or venus, please take your head out of the sand long enough to look around, its sad sir that so many people have been seeing these wonderous craft for many years and they are treated like they are insane or delusional, and yes sir they are craft, who they are, i dont have a clue, but i do know they are as real as the car in the driveway, and yes sir i know this for a FACT..........

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Jeremiah S, Tallulah, Lousiana — Wed, 31 Jan 2007 21:20:54 GMT

I believe you are totally right. A lot of sightings in the sky can be attributed to space debris. But there is always the story of 'that one' that has intrigue on its side

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M.Barker — Wed, 31 Jan 2007 21:40:47 GMT

I think that religion has a big part to do with why we are not pushing our technological potential to find other life further in space.

How would life on other planets explain the existence, if any, of God. Let science do its part and let's find out if we are alone or not (I think not).

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Don, Seattle, WA — Wed, 31 Jan 2007 21:44:13 GMT

UFO's are interesting, but the most unlikely of all possible explainations is that they are alien spacecrafts. The fact that people see something that is unexplained does not give us the excuse to propose a complex and improbable explaination.

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O, Peoria, IL — Wed, 31 Jan 2007 22:08:15 GMT

I project that -- like before -- response to this post will be most massive.

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Rod, Tampa, Florida — Wed, 31 Jan 2007 22:10:37 GMT

Even if Mr. Boyle appears to be on the DE-BUNKER side of science, he may yet be capable of learning truth.

Now, THIS is getting very interesting.... .... ....

Normally, the mother-ships remain in orbit and launch their 30-Ft to 70-Ft diameter scout ships from space. That they are launching within our atmosphere, closer to
the surface, displays a boldness and willingness to be observed.

I, personally, believe that open contact is impending and imminent.

[Rod has copied and pasted the text from a Web page into his original message. To save on space, here's a link to the Web page instead ... AB]

http://www.nationalufocenter.com/artman/publish/article_127.php

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steve, lexington — Wed, 31 Jan 2007 22:40:08 GMT

who said they were aliens, everyone forgets about brown, telsa, farnsworth, and a few others the government would rather u didnt know about...

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TheFallibleFiend, Lorton, VA — Wed, 31 Jan 2007 23:15:13 GMT

GW,

Check out

http://xzonenation.blogspot.com/2007/
01/ohare-swiss-cheese-ufo-sighting.html

Cosmic log pointed us in that direction once before.

One of the busiest airports on the whole planet and only 12 people see it, all of them employees of one airline? There were no reports to any government agency about this alleged incident? No jets scrambled? What's up? This has all the signs of a hoax. Five years from now, the UFOlogists will be reporting this as one of the all time best examples of "scientific evidence" for alien visitors.

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Thomas Ashby, Calgary — Wed, 31 Jan 2007 23:58:53 GMT

Rod..yeah just like the second coming is imminent but never happens.

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morpheus — Thu, 01 Feb 2007 00:13:52 GMT

the ohare ufo sighting is very significant, since pilots, ground personnel are witnesses.

anybody who paid atention in high school, knows the laws of inertia, now the craft at ohare took off with such a instant acceleration that the craft itself, plus any inhabitant, would have to been ripped to little little pieces. the fact that this did not happen proves without any doubt, that in order to do that, u need to be able to manipulate gravity, and such time/space itself,.

as such the craft either was alien in origin, or that we have the technology to manipulate gravity/time/space, and a energy source that can end global warming.

in fact this is the very reason the feds hide the alien presence and this tech, (not public panic or some ), cause then they have to admit they have and had this tech for decades, but then the big corporation oil, gas that run president and the white house couldnt sell their oil any more, fair and square

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Rick Vodden — Thu, 01 Feb 2007 00:32:29 GMT

jim jimmerson- Telescopes are worth it for broadening our knowledge. What we spend on telescopes is insignificant to what we spend on each of cigarettes, video games, slot machines or illegal drugs.

We will have to leave this nest someday, hopefully before we foul it and it would be best to understand our environment.

By the way, the odds are very slim of having another technological civilization exisiting at the same time and close enough to visit or communicate. The odds are that we should miss each other by a few billion years and a few million galaxies distance. Sorry, no interstellar visitors. No gas stations or grocery stores between here and there.

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Crudely Wrott, Dayton, OH — Thu, 01 Feb 2007 02:35:19 GMT

jim jimmerson said:
uh you guys sound crazy. Those telescopes would cost billions upon billions and in the end is it worth knowing there are other earthlike planets. I think we know that by now. Right now we should concentrate on getting earth back on track. Our government has some tough decisions ahead and we should make sure they don't screw up. Spening billions on telescopes just won't due right now. As much as I'd love to explore deep space it's just not worth it.

I say jim, think for a moment. One-we don't know that "they are there or here." Some of us suspect and many of us dearly wish. Two-our sense of our place and of our effect on it has been the subject of debate for centuries at least. Any suggestion that a useful solution is immanent is not supported by observation. Three-our government does not have tough decisions to make; you and I do. After all, they are in positions of authority because we elected them to represent our wishes in the task of crafting and interpreting and administrating the Law.

It may be instructive to review not only the parts of the Declaration of Independence, the Constitution and their parent documents but to read slowly and with attention those other parts that form the skeleton on which the flesh of freedom takes form. One of my personal favorites is the list of charges against King George that are detailed in the Declaration of Independence; it provides the rationale for the ultimate purpose of the writers' intent and understanding of this rationale is necessary to the preservation of life, liberty and all that follows.

Please pay attention and review history frequently.

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GW — Thu, 01 Feb 2007 03:38:00 GMT

FallableFiend, yeah I've read all the reports and the criticism, including your link (a pretty shallow assessment, IMO). Criticizing Davenport's initial skepticism and the lengths of observation of each witness? Like they're all supposed to look up at the same time? Read the actual reports, including two new ones which just surfaced - one from a baggage handler, and from woman in a parking lot. The first report was actually posted on the web the day after the sighting:

http://tinyurl.com/yt5vzs

And you think it was a hoax? A collusion between managers in the tower, pilots, and baggage handlers? Now that's a conspiracy theory. I don't know what it was, but there were too many good witnesses, and it sure wasn't the weather.

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Des Emery, St. Thomas, ON, Canada — Thu, 01 Feb 2007 04:10:01 GMT

Am I seeing things? Or did Rod post two identical pictures of a "mothership" -- one taken over Greenland and the other over somewhere on the planet Mars? Good grief! Those darn aliens have perfected the ability to be in two places at once. Talk about Heisenberg!

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TheFallibleFiend, Lorton, VA — Thu, 01 Feb 2007 14:13:11 GMT

"Now that's a conspiracy theory. I don't know what it was, but there were too many good witnesses, and it sure wasn't the weather."

Well, your link is a much more careful analysis. The fellow just reads a kook's book and admits to a sudden interest in these sorts of things. I had said before in other threads that the sensationalism of our culture and lazy magical thinking induce some people to see imaginary things that they expect to see. You've just unwittingly added a critical piece to the puzzle. Thanks.

The *ONLY* people who saw this thing (and I've passed through O'Hare a number of times ... it's *really* busy) were 12 people all of whom worked for the same company. One member had just read a kooky book that he put some credence in - and was primed to see "something."

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steve,lexington,ky — Thu, 01 Feb 2007 14:45:18 GMT

ok to be honest, and probably ridiculed, my uncle and his wife, saw one of these craft hovering just over some trees next to thier house, this was back in the early 80s, they where so close to it they could have hit it with a rock if they had wanted to, it was about 35 feet across, lights going around the bottom, 1 white light in the center, and made absolutely no sound, when it changed directions there was a flash of light, at one point in the encounter it moved so far away you couldn't tell it from the stars, and i'm talking seconds to move that far, they have video of the tree tops taken a day or so later, they where burnt to a crisp, anyway there it is, i guess seeing is believing.........

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steve,lexington,ky — Thu, 01 Feb 2007 15:00:00 GMT

any ideas as to what was seen around the nasa tether experiment, life forms? ships? ice? sure was alot of things moveing out there......

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Granger T. — Thu, 01 Feb 2007 16:27:23 GMT

You should check out www.thephoenixligts.net for info on the AZ mass sighting of '97, when thousands saw something extraordinary - a mile wide and silent object with lights glide right over their heads - throughout the state for many hours. 10 years later this awesome event is still unexplained - and gaining momentum as a true unknown.

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Mickey Mouse — Thu, 01 Feb 2007 18:16:23 GMT

The interesting point being missed for the best part. The hot topic at present is the spaceship and we as a collective think we are seeing them everywhere even if we are not! Forget about it, leave it all behind make our beautiful world a great place to live at every moment. Focus on whats important, what truly inspires you. This spaceship is about to take off!

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JC, Riverton — Thu, 01 Feb 2007 20:38:40 GMT

David Laurence, why assume that aliens would build probes which were unsophisticated? If humans can conceive of probes, nanotechnology and artificial intelligence, then it is only a matter of time until we'll be sending robust, intelligent, and self replicating probes into the universe which have the capability of far outlasting our species. Human Exobiologists already weigh the risks of polluting Mars and Europa with terrestrial microbes. It is not unreasonable to posit that a hypothetical advanced alien species may have already considered these risks and have taken a non interference approach. These artificial intelligences could observe life on other planets sereptitiously over the course of millions of years. Conversely, other hypothetical aliens may be engaged in a high tech diaspora. The latter is more disturbing to contemplate.

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Randy Franz Montgomery IL — Thu, 01 Feb 2007 21:16:40 GMT

Many UFO sightings can be attributed to stars, planets, gas and space debris. The others are probably just secret aircraft. If you look at the history of the planes developed or flown in Area 51 you will see that the saucer shaped UFO's were under development at that time or with the latest sightings of the light in the sky moving in ways no aircraft known at that time could move...um anyone seen the new jet put into service this year fly? The chances that life exists on other worlds is very high as stated above, however the chances that any of those civilizations are actually able to traverse the space between our plants is very very very very very low.

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Larry Bay — Fri, 02 Feb 2007 00:04:28 GMT

I saw and HEARD a UFO in 1978. I believe they travel through worm holes. I was one and a half miles away when I encountered it. If you want to hear the whole story, let me know here.

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CM — Fri, 02 Feb 2007 04:48:50 GMT

Why did only a small group see it at a busy airport? If the "O'Hare UFO" was small, nearby, and short lived, then possibly that small group of employees were the only ones in the right place at the right time to see it.

It is also possible that it only looked mysterious from their particular vantage point, others seeing it from a different angle dismissed it as an ordinary everyday object.

UFOs are by nature "unidentified". Those people that insist they must be "extraterrestrial" and add fictional details to the reports reveal more about themselves and their psychology than about the alleged UFOs.

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O, Peoria, IL — Fri, 02 Feb 2007 04:53:34 GMT

Randy,

"...traverse the space between our plants is very very very very very low."

Based on 21th century science I would tend to agree with you. But that's the problem here...maybe we're just as blissfully ignorant about the "true" science of interstellar space travel as we have been so many times in the past with every other discipline of science, medicine, etc...

Given the appropriate technology, interdimensional travel may be possible and commonplace.

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StupidMonkey — Sat, 03 Feb 2007 00:48:47 GMT

I saw a UFO once, but i was on acid at the time.

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Thomas Ashby, Calgary — Sat, 03 Feb 2007 08:54:25 GMT

So, here we are, caught in this paradox of the mind.
People have made millions off of this since Hollywood picked up on it and did... "The DAY THE EARTH STOOD STILL".

I believe there could be a correlation between modern UFO lore and Hollywood..a collusion that began in 1947. These pictures are really baloney.
Even that video SUCKS!! Could be anything.

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Thomas Ashby, Calgary — Sat, 03 Feb 2007 09:06:16 GMT

The only things that hit the media are these "Close Encounters Of the Third Kind" sightings...extraordinary things.

I once saw something maybe 6 years ago I could not readily explain however, it didn't have the fancy dancy things worthy of a media thing. A small white dot bee-lining across the sky at constant velocity for about 20 seconds with no discerable lines of plane or helicopter until it was out of sight. I estimate it was travelling at 3 - 6 hundred miles/ hr. But SO WHAT? It wasn't doing all those fancy things that the media reports.

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Ted Brenson, Baraboo, WI — Sun, 04 Feb 2007 02:20:31 GMT

In 1957 while watching for the Russian Sputnik about 8 of us were standing in the road looking too the skies. I was about 8 years old at that time. A huge gold object (typical saucers description) flew over our house about TV antenna high, 50 feet etc. As we watched it in silence, it moved 90 degrees. I ran through the back yard to watch it disappear. It was not gas, balloon, or anything other than what we saw. It was awesome. WOF

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Jana. Shelley, Idaho — Mon, 05 Feb 2007 05:04:27 GMT

I have enjoyed reading this blog but have not submitted anything thus far. For those who believe/insist these "UFO's" are government or military made, I applaud you for still believing in governmental systems that to many are clearly flawed and in danger of truly destroying life as we know it. On the other hand I can see why some hesitate to immediately jump onto the "visited by an alien species bandwagon." Has anyone noticed that many UFO reports - including the one by John Lear ...

http://www.coasttocoastam.com/shows/2003/11/02.html

... portray these craft as hostile towards the governments? Could it be that if they are alien or time-travellers or whatever that they are here to assist those who wish to create a better world? Who among us has not thought this planet could use a little improvement? And who has not had the thought that he or she was only one and therefor incapable of making any real difference. Perhaps we are creating help? Whoever and whatever "they" are, maybe it is time to claim who WE are in the scheme...

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Bill, Tampa — Mon, 05 Feb 2007 16:03:32 GMT

Whether you believe in UFO's or not everyone has to agree that something is going on and has been for some years. There have been many credible reports by pilots, air traffic controllers, law enforcement officers and military personel. People we trust with our lives. Thousands of people have claimed to see UFO's and even if they are not real or are attributable to natural or man made phenomenon it definitely demands a better response and investigation from science than what we have had so far. Goverment disinformation, denial, discrediting witnesses and top secret documents does not happen for swamp gas or the planet Venus. The explanation that the vast distances of space prohibit contact from other planets doesnt fly either. At various times scientists believed that the Earth was flat, the Earth was the center of the Universe, the sound barrier could never be broken, that diseases stemmed from imbalances of bodily humours instead of viruses and bacteria, etc. If we are currently unable to go faster than the speed of light why does this mean that no other more advanced race has found a way to do it? Or found a way around that problem? This subject demands a fair, unbiased investigation from science and an open honest account from the government on what they know. Too many people have claimed to see these things to just dismiss it any more. Whatever they are we need to find out one way or the other.

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bubba gump — Mon, 05 Feb 2007 18:37:04 GMT

THEEEEEIIIIR HEEEERRRREEEE

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Walter Woods Jr, Vaughn, Mont. — Mon, 05 Feb 2007 22:29:41 GMT

This past friday 02/02/2007 I was surfing thru the channels and happen to stop on the MSNBC and there was an discussion going on about whether UFO's are real or not. Mr Nye the science guy was one of the gentlemen participating. He was pretty much skeptical which I can sincerely understand. Anyway one of the filmed sitings ( 5 yellowish lights in a triangle formation against a back drop of blue sky with some green foliage in the lower right side of the film) These are the very same images thet I had observed in the sky when I was with the army on training manuvers in the desert approximately 20 miles north west of El Paso Texas. The sun had just set and it was still daylght. The objects appeared to be above El Paso or some wheres in between or farther past. They were just hovering in one spot when I seen them and in about 2 or 3 seconds they started to move towards the west then abruptly accelerated at a very high speed and disappeared. I always wondered what these were and hoped someone could someday get some positive proof. I always thoght that they were five separate objects, but after watching a show on TV about UFO sightings some time last year I now believe that this was a single object. I surmse that if this is a real craft of some kind, that it is using a stealth technology and that possibly incertain operational situations it is not accomplishing the job that it was designed for. Since` the scientist claim that the universe has been in existence for over 18 billion years, is it not possible that intelegent life has developed many millions or a billion years ahead of us. That maybe they are baby sitting how we progress in our technology so as not to destroy the universe with the destructive ways of the human race. Now that I have seen these objects with my own eyes 46 years ago in 1960 and seen the same thing that someone else has taken moving pictures of, thoroughly has convinced me that contact with other beings has already happened, probably as far back as our history goes. If there are real beings involved They must be friendly to us, so far. Weird anyway. Maybe the science guys can solve this someday. But they probably need to find out what kind of a sign language to use in order to communicate, kind of like the old westerns.

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Paul Williams, Denver, Colorado — Tue, 06 Feb 2007 09:58:18 GMT

Then again are ufo's really of ET origin, I mean there is a large amount of realistic evidence pointing to the fact that large parts of the conspiracy of ufo and alien stuff could be a coverup for advanced propulsion systems based upon what the germans where developing around WW2, what about the "foo fighters" of legend. Its a coincidence that the first major reports and sighting started in the US just after WW2. Researchers like Townsend T Brown worked on the Biefield-Brown effect for example, dig and you will be surprised what you find...

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Pat Williamson, Orlando, Fl. — Tue, 06 Feb 2007 13:27:12 GMT

I've never seen a UFO but that doesn't mean they don't exist. Human's are a young species, in our infancy, when you think about the life of the universe. Why couldn't there be much older civilizations out there that managed to survive their infancy to develope into space travelers? In our pride as humans we believe our intelligence to be superior when we've just begun to learn. If mankind survives, where will we be in a thousand or two thousand years. We may be the UFO investigating other worlds.

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Elly Chiprout, Manati, Puerto Rico — Tue, 06 Feb 2007 23:33:48 GMT

My advise is to maintain an open mind on this subject.The majority of us do not have the necessary information to draw a intelligent conclusion regarding whether there is or not a extraterrestrial presence among us.

if we become polarized with absolute belief or disbilief, we will start making dumb statements and commentaries.There may be surprises in the near future.

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Harriet Cariello, Racine, Wisconsin — Wed, 07 Feb 2007 02:56:14 GMT

Ofcourse aliens are visiting us. We are interesting. We are not much more than animals with a bigger brain who are destroying our home planet. We are so naive. What we should realize is that anything and everything is possible. The aliens don't have to travel thousands or millions of light years to get here. They can use warps in space, time travel, black holes, waves of light and other unimaginable ways to get here or to see us. Of course their civilizations are much more advanced than ours. Of course they have lived millions of years longer than we have. I have read a great deal in the last 30 years that has convinced me that when we destroy this planet, it is the aliens who will clean it up and start using it for their needs. I was lucky 7 years ago to have seen a "real" ufo. A craft that was flying only 20 to 30 yds away from me, on a bright, sunny July afternoon in Walworth county, Wisconsin. It followed the road I was driving on and I followed it for about 3 miles before it disappeared. I would still feel the same way had I not seen it. At one time I wanted to meet an alien. Now, I would be terrified that they would round us up as slaves or use us as baby factories. We have proven ourselves to be not much more than violent, destructive, greedy "beings". Sorry I couldn't be more positive about this matter, but I am a realist and this isn't the 50's anymore.

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Paul Williams, Denver, Colorado — Wed, 07 Feb 2007 06:19:38 GMT

I couldn't agree more. There is nothing to say we haven't been visited in the past (folklore etc). We are a race that is destroying itself slowly but a lot of people want to believe in aliens visiting us now out of a hope that our "salvation" will come from the sky. The so called pie in the sky. Let me say this if they were wanting to help why the secrecy, anything hidden away is sinister.

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John Newman, Columbus, OH — Wed, 07 Feb 2007 21:26:34 GMT

A few comments about the issues surrounding contact with ET. First, the lack of recognised archeological evidence that an ET visited Earth in historical times leads me to conclude that advanced intelligent life (as we understand it) is rare in this region of the galaxy. Any spacefaring ET civilisation that would be comparable to a fictional "Star Trek" would likley be here (if not in control). Second, we have been broadcasting info about ourselves for nearly 100 years via radio and television. Our planet has a bright, electronic signiture on certain frequency wavelengths that would be regarded a evidence of an advanced civilisation. A nearby ET civilisation (if it exists) as advanced as our own would have noticed. They may or may not respond depending on how they interpret those broadcasts. If I were an ET, would I feel secure knowing that much of those broadcasts consist of war and crime? Third, we should recall our own history of contact between technologically unequal civilisations. The lesser ones are usually assimulated or destroyed. Perhaps we should be thankful that we have not yet met ET. ET might see us another resource to exploit or eat. How would you like your human cooked and do you want fries with it?

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Tom Birchfield, Basehor, KS — Fri, 09 Feb 2007 00:58:18 GMT

If we are going to contact E.T. or be contacted by E.T., then it will happen at the expense of one of the Voyager deep space probes. My only fear is that whoever, or whatever it runs into is not a civilization built on slavery. I think the whole fascination with potentially meeting E.T. blinds us (Homo-Sapiens) to the possibility of a hostile race. Think about it, what do you think the Native Americans thought when they saw the first European, "they look friendly enough". I don't mean to be a pesimist, but I am a firm believer in the bigger fish in the pond idea. I guess what I am trying to say is, if we run into E.T., then lets make sure E.T. is nice enough race to break bread with.

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Carlos, Austin, Tx. — Fri, 16 Feb 2007 06:44:13 GMT

Hi again, Mr. Boyle. And Hi Steve, Larry, Ted, and Harriet. I believe you. I believe you saw what you saw. So does the government, or some highly classified agency of it. We can know this because their activities in hushing up observers who had very close encounters are well known and publicized. You'd think that this alone would be enough to cause the most hardened skeptics to sit up and take notice. But it hasn't been. This doesn't speak well for their investigative skills! So I've concluded that there's only two things that will convince them. One is a full disclosure by the gov't., or an act of congress. The other will be when a flying disk parks right over their house. That second one has convinced many a skeptic.

I take it that the "Revisited" in this log refers to a previous one called "Your UFO Sightings". You can type that into the search box up above if you're interested in reviewing that one. Best Regards. CT

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Ted Roe, Captain Cook, Hawaii — Thu, 15 Mar 2007 08:45:38 GMT

We will be producing a comprehensive report of this alleged UAP incident at OHare International in the coming weeks. There is more to the story than hoaxed photos...

It is no secret within the aviation community that aviation professionals sometimes encounter unidentified aerial phenomena or UAP. Stories of pilot and air traffic controllers who were confronted by unusual lights or objects, UAP, in the course of conducting their careers have been documented across the entire history of powered flight. Many of these reports arise from military and commercial aviation sources. Some of these reports have demonstrated that UAP can be a hazard to aviation.

While these incidents are well documented outside of the aviation system, both the aviation community and the scientific community have declined to thoroughly investigate these reports. For many years this reluctance has prevailed over efforts to engage the situation. Though qualified individuals are responsibly reporting encounters with UAP they find that the aviation community is both unsympathetic to their concerns and unprepared to receive UAP reports. In some cases UAP witnesses may find that attempts to engage this issue can be hazardous to their careers.

Though the primary source for the most credible UAP reports has been the aviation community, all information about UAP was either stifled by a bias against reporting or flowed directly away from the aviation community. UAP observations and incidents have never been addressed as an issue that aviation professionals should be prepared for. This reluctance to discuss UAP encounters and examine UAP reports arose from specific causes during the Cold War and expresses itself as a bias against reporting and investigating UAP encounters that exists to the present day.

The National Aviation Reporting Center on Anomalous Phenomena was founded to specifically examine these incidents and observations. Staffed by current and former aviation professionals and scientific experts, NARCAP seeks to collect data on aviation safety related UAP encounters. NARCAP publishes technical reports detailing examinations of UAP data and investigations of UAP incidents which are posted on its website.

Aviation professionals are encouraged to make confidential reports involving UAP encounters to both the NASA Aviation Safety Reporting System and NARCAP.org . While there may be a bias within the greater aviation community, the safety concerns represented by the Aviation Safety Reporting System and by NARCAP are squarely focused on mitigating hazards to safe aviation regardless of their source. Both the ASRS and NARCAP are the safest and most effective places for aviation professionals to confidentially and responsibly report encounters with UAP without fear of retribution from employers or the FAA.

NARCAP invites any aviation professional who is either interested in the subject of UAP and aviation or would like to report an incident involving UAP to contact us through our website at www.narcap.org or directly at ted_roe@narcap.org

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Pat Williamson — Thu, 15 Mar 2007 14:38:17 GMT

When we try to imagine other worlds, we only have our own societies, our own planet and her inhabitants to formulate a theory. Sure they could be bad like the Romulans in Star Trek or they could be just interested in acquiring knowledge and not out to assimilate. Or there could be other reasons that we aren't able to concieve of. But knowing what I do about humans, if I were from another planet, I sure wouldn't rush to make contact. We'd shoot first and ask questions later. We can't get along with each other down here, how could they expect us to receive them in a warm and welcoming way? They could be just studying us to see if we evolve or destroy ourselves. Which do you think would come first?

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J. Dough — Fri, 23 Mar 2007 16:21:41 GMT

Why is it that many UFO believers also deplore the human race and how it utilizes the environment? Is the grass greener on alien worlds? The religion of global warming says that nature will punish mankind for its greed and sinfulness. The religion of UFO believers also believe in a similar apocalypse.

There are no UFO's to save us. Perhaps Mr. UFO Believer can start to save our planet by convincing Al Gore to go on a diet and stop excusing his excesses with "carbon offsets", which are nothing more than modern day papal indulgences.

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The Sarcasitc Observer — Fri, 23 Mar 2007 16:55:14 GMT

I think that UFOs and extraterrestrial life do exist. Why ? Because none of them have contacted us yet...our world is too messed up.

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Tom cedar rapaids, Iowa — Fri, 23 Mar 2007 17:40:25 GMT

My aunt and uncle became deeply religious after an experience in july of 1975. They were headed back through Iowa on RT#3 near waverly /shellrock late at night with no traffic for miles. They looked back and saw a light that looked very huge following them just off the ground but to high to be a semi. They became concerned when they slowed down and the light slowed, they then proceeded to go well over 100mph and the light stayed in the exact same spot. They stopped for what seemed like forever but were to afraid to get out of the car. The light then swooped over them at a height of about 30 yds. They saw green and white and yellow lights pulsating around a disk. They then panicked and drove away like hell before the disk broke off pursuit 5 miles later. I think more happened then what they let on because to this day that subject is not talked about. The only thing said was the feeling of sheer terror both felt on that deserted stretch of road that july night.

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Jeremy Wells, Austin, TX — Fri, 23 Mar 2007 17:48:13 GMT

The main problem with UFOs being "advanced beings from another planet" is that the phenomenon has always been with us. It has simply interpreted differently as our world views have changed. The psycho-sexual anxiety of mechanical sperm and ovum removal by advanced beings from another planet is a modern version of the "is my baby really what I think it is or is it a faery changeling". The night visitor/sexual phenomenon is further reflected in stories of demonic incubi and succubi that became more prevalent as the church's influenced gained and old folk and faery traditions became less fashionable. We also see examples of airships piloted first by "wizards" (see "Dimensions" by Dr. Jacques Vallee for some good examples), then in the late 1800s/early 1900s these dirigible like airships were constructed and piloted by "eccentric inventors" or "millionaire industrialists" (still exhibiting a high level of "weirdness" in many cases, such as sending crew scurrying up and down ropes to the surface). As our society became more technologically advanced, and we moved even further away from religious and supernatural explanations and began to take our own first tentative steps into outer space, the phenomenon recast itself again in the form of "visitors from other planets." Even our perception of these visitors have evolved from the early day of George Adamaski and the contactees, who reported "more perfect" versions of human forms, to various creatures ranging from the Flatwoods, WV, giant to the little green men with elephant ears from the Kelly, KY, incident, until we finally arrived at the newly homogenized form of the "grey".
Whether the phenomenon is fully physical, fully psycho-social, or some combination of the two, it is obviously real to the individuals who experience it, but it is also undeniably culturally interpreted. So while, yes, the phenomenon is undeniably "real", that does not mean it is always physical, and even in cases where physical evidence is left behind (i.e. burn marks, crushed vegetation, radiation sickness in witnesses, etc.) it does not necessarily follow that the physical evidence is a result of extra-terrestrial activity.

It is as much a leap of FAITH to state unequivocally that UFOs are of extra-terrestrial origin as it is to assert that there is a God, and if we want to study the phenomenon scientifically we must abandon all such faith-based speculation, examine the hard evidence, and open ourselves to the possibility that this phenomenon is as terrestrial as we are, and as old as our human experience. If this is accepted, it makes no sense to assume that the entities and there crafts are actually of extra-terrestrial origin, only that this is latest way we, as humans, have of interpreting the unknown in terms of the "knowns" that are available to us and understood by us.

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J. Case, PHX, AZ — Fri, 23 Mar 2007 17:50:42 GMT

Odds are that there are hundreds, possibly thousands of e.t. civilizations in our galaxy right this second. Some are primitive, like we used to be and some are more advanced and can travel through interstellar space. As intelligent and advanced as we believe ourselves to be, we have a long, long way to go. Read about the Betty and Barney Hill abduction on Wikipedia or elsewhere. It's the first abduction case made public back in '62. Supposedly, the alien beings watched them while hovering above, followed them, took them aboard their ship, performed some tests and let them go. It's what we do to animals in the wild - shoot them with a tranquilizer, capture them, perform tests, place a tag on the ear and then let them go. To the aliens, humans are primitive beings, not equals. It all makes perfect sense to me. Humans are probably the laughing stock of the galaxy.

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Earl White Heyburn, Idaho — Sat, 24 Mar 2007 00:28:56 GMT

Myself I have never seen a ufo and my wife has always been a non believer of such things. About five years ago we were visiting my wifes' children in the Dallas area. My wife has always been close to her ex inlaws. Her forrmer father-in-law had died a few years before that. We were were in my step daughters home visiting with Grams, the former mother-in-law. Grams brought a photo alum to show the family. On on page was a photo of her and her husband in front of the gate to Roswell Air Base. My wife asked if the stories about the UFO crash were true and the ex mother-in-law said "oh yes, Gramps worked in the base photo lab and had developed all the photos". My wife was stunned and asked why they had never said anything. We were told they were sworn to secrecy and told if they told anyone they would loose their military pensions and their children might be killed. This was a real eye opener for both of us. Gramps was the New Englander who if he told you somthing you knew it was true. I only wish I had known this before he died.

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Jaelani Utomo, Yogyakarta, Indonesia — Sun, 25 Mar 2007 01:30:26 GMT

I wonder how much does the U.S. government knows about these events. If the French goverment's SEPRA has about 3000 reports, how many does U.S. government has? Shouldn't it has consideribly much more? The more significant U.S. persons who are witnesses of such events and brave enough to spit it out, the more pressure will go to the goverment to finally made public about its UFO investigation department. Based on Earl's story, it's a pity that a goverment would go that far in order to protect its secrets.

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Tim Mullins, Port Angeles, WA — Sun, 25 Mar 2007 04:01:13 GMT

UFOs? Well they do exist. It's a fact that cannot be disputed.

So do they carry cuddly/vicious aliens? Well at the very least, not all of them do. Many of them are top secret military test craft for their prospective governments.

This begs several more questions. First, for those wondering why some shutter-happy photographer has yet to snap a verifiable picture of a UFO, why has it been impossible to snap a picture of a top secret aircraft? Especially when one considers the armies of shutterbugs that constantly monitor the skies around places like Grooms Lake. Also, considering the fact that various governments have vested interests in keeping certain craft(s) a secret, might they not also wish to eliminate any interest of any kind in UFO watching/sightings/stories?

Seems pretty cut and dried to me.

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just joe — Sun, 25 Mar 2007 17:53:34 GMT

Ufos are just a carrot dangled before u, to keep u from knowing the REAL TRUTH of what is being done to u and is hidden from u, just like that ole fuel cell we hear so much about, and u keep thinking maybe one day we,ll get it, just like that ole horse u just keep trotting along thinking youll get it, now are u ready for the cold hard facts of who put us in the shape this world is in today, first u got to know WHY ,HOW and WHO, knowing that you have been enslaved is the first step towards your FREEDOM, ok here goes, as our country entered the indrustrial revelotion everyone wanted electricity and a transportation, the county(FEDERAL GOVERNMENT) was growing fast with all this tax money, they soon realized this was a gold mine, and they also realized that there were technologies that could put a stop to that flow of money,(WATER AND OVERUNITY), so they got together and hached a plot to hide these from u, these laws are called the THE NATIONAL SECURITY ACT, they created a group of people to oversee the development and suppression of these and many more technologies,and made these people above the law and not answerable to u or anyone, in other words they put these technologies out of your reach, now the truth is they have enslaved everyone for the tax involved in the energy sector, which i must say is the biggest sector of all, and growing every day, now here is the bottom line, THE WHOLE ENERGY SECTOR IS A FRAUD that has been thrust upon the entire world, they have LIED, THREATENED,PASSED UNCONSTUTIONAL LAWS AND KILLED to keep anything from enterfering with thier cash flow, now u realize the enormity of this fraud , they have built a house of cards that could crumble on them at any time, if certain technologies came out (WATER AND OVERUNITY)now u know why your not driving on water, and never will be unless u wake up and do something about it, now my friends thier cash cow is dying(OIL RUNNING OUT),now they are in desperation mode, seeking something else to replace oil,now u know how when and who, NOW U KNOW WHO HOLDS THE KEYS TO YOUR FREEDOM, the VERY BIRDS WHO PUT THESE TECHNOLOGIES OUT OF YOUR REACH, the culprits are THE UNITED STATES CONGRESS AND SENATE, They hold the keys to this planets future, its up to everyone to ask the right questions and hold these people accountable, let me just say this, if congress said u would be driving a car powered by water next year, you would be!, now are u ready for your freedom? its up to u now .........

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just joe — Mon, 26 Mar 2007 11:20:12 GMT

ok, UFO,s are real, I told you people who was keeping these things from u, how and why, and who holds the key to release these and many other technologies to you.........but they decided to not to post it here.... how nice, just another way to decieve ya........

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just joe — Mon, 26 Mar 2007 18:31:16 GMT

thanks for posting it guys, the people need to know......

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ALLEN COLUMBUS OHIO — Wed, 28 Mar 2007 23:34:35 GMT

It is one BIG UNIVERSE, SOON WE WILL BE THE ALIENS OF CURIOSITY. AND DO U THINK WE WILL JUMP INTO THE BEE HIVE AND STRAIGHTEN OUT THEIR GOV?? OR LET THEM KNOW WHERE WE ARE FROM?? WOULD THAT BE SMART? AFTER ALL SOME MAY NOT LIKE US TOO WELL,POLITICS,RELIGION JUST TO NAME A FEW.

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James S, Shelton CT — Thu, 24 May 2007 06:05:36 GMT

Bizarre craft spotted in California this month. With so many sigthings and clear photos you think the news would be covering this story:

http://www.coasttocoastam.com/
gen/page2022.html?theme=light

http://www.flickr.com/photos/
8418528@N06/sets/72157600236430072/

http://www.ufocasebook.com/strangecraftlaketahoe.html

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baltimore, md — Mon, 17 Sep 2007 20:27:56 GMT

On sept 17,2007 between 7:00 and 7:30 my grandson and some friends were playing out side and saw something in the sky that looked like a flying saucer and were screaming to look. me and a nieghbor were talking and i went tolook and see what they looking at,So help me god i seen a real spaceship just hovering in the sky and told my neighbor to come see, it was shaped like a saucer and had a red glowing ring at the bottom. i said maybe thier making a movie or something and i'll look at the 10:00 news to see if someone else sighted it. I told my daughter about it and we went to store and then to her house when her friend came home i was telling him and he said his cousin told him he saw one to. his cousin lives on the east side of the city and me on the westside,could it be a hoax of some kind? I watch shows on sightings but this scary. and i don,t care what excuse they make this was no airplane or debre in the air or falling star because in about 10 minutes after when we sawit a plane flew over head and it was high in the sky,and hovering in one spot like helecopter do. and then it disappeared. not fly away was just gone out our sight where who knows where. i told the kids that it may have been a movie in the making because they were freaking out. but i know what i saw and it looked like the real thing to me. i thought about it alnight and day.

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baltimore, md — Mon, 17 Sep 2007 21:00:34 GMT

i read some of these comments about UFO and watched some UFO shows about sighting that the goverment trys to explain away for what reason i don't know. But i seen a UFO last night and if children was not involded in seeing this sighting that i wittness for myself. I don't know how to explain this to them and today my grandson talk about if thier friendly or hostile. what can you tell a child if the goverment covers it up and makes you look crazy. i could question some of what children might see or hear but not this. Tell me what i am suppose to tell these children that what they saw was someome making a movie in the sky. To scare them knowing it was the real thing that we all saw. Help please

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Juan Valdez — Sat, 19 Jan 2008 16:57:31 GMT

on oct.2005 I plus 2 other persons observed a disc in the sky. the lights kept changing colors.it was beautiful. it happend about 10 miles north west of logan New Mexico.I dont recall hearing that anybody else saw anything.

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Wayne M, Woodbury, CT — Tue, 03 Feb 2009 22:34:02 GMT

We a lonely civilization living in an expanding universe. Like 2010 Space Oddessy described, before the second moon, when mankind thought he was a alone. That is scary. Wayne the Antique Dealer from CT

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Everette E Gill — Sun, 25 Oct 2009 02:34:12 GMT

my wife and i saw the standard ufo in 1984 round silver big 50 feet off the ground slow, no noise, i figured it was ours.if they aren't,we should keep a low profile,stop signaling them, calling them, turn our porchlight off.some don't want to eat us, or inslave, us or take our puny planet.in the us we don't eat dogs, either, but they do in asia, think about that.