Pyramid skeptics strike back

OneWolf, Clinton Missouri — Fri, 16 Jun 2006 06:55:24 GMT

Let the Work continue. Remember, the AMA once said (of germs) that they did not believe in anything that they could not see and that any doctor washing his hands before surgery would have their liscense revoked. These were "educated scientists" too. Let the dig continue.

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safet zec — Fri, 16 Jun 2006 07:09:07 GMT

Massive manmade blocks found at the Bosnian Pyramid of the Moon and Bosnian Pyramid of the Sun excavation are pyramids. Yet the belief – or not – in the existence of the pyramids is dividing communities within Bosnia.

Surprisingly, perhaps, to outsiders, Bosnia’s own archaeological community remains opposed to the excavation of the pyramidal structures, claiming it will damage the ruins of a Medieval town on the top of the Pyramid of the Sun.

The Foundation responds that the medieval ruins are protected by an ‘exclusion zone’; no excavations are taking place within this area.

Quote: “Official State people have been on the site to check all our work and they confirmed that all the work is being done 200 metres away from the protected zone.”

Supporters of the pyramid theory also point out, somewhat wryly, that it was these very experts who should have protected the Medieval ruins in previous years; very little now remains of these old structures, something for which the excavations are now taking the blame.

Even English experts have been drawn into the wrangle. Prof Anthony Harding, president of European Archaeological Association wrote to The Times to say that the project at the Bosnian Pyramids was destroying the town at the top of the site – after a 15 minute trip bypassing the pyramid.

Despite the divisions, the excavations go on and the site is raising considerable interest from international experts, including experts from Egypt who are currently on site.

The level of interest is such that the Foundation has put out an urgent request for additional administrative and funding support for its work.

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Paul B. Phoenix, AZ — Fri, 16 Jun 2006 07:31:34 GMT

I don't understand all of the controversy. The existence of Pyramids in Egypt is hard enough to believe when you consider the sheer volume of materials that had to be moved hundreds of miles. Thousands of blocks of rock weighing many tons were then cut by hand and shaped perfectly to fit next to the blocks surrounding them. There are places like Easter Island where many tall statues chiseled out of solid rock came from nowhere. There are rock and cave paintings of men or alien beings wearing space suits. If there is any possibility that we can learn more about the history of mankind and/or the intervention of aliens in our development as a species, we need to pursue the truth. There are always skeptics that belong to cultures and religions that feel their beliefs and the power that comes from the spreading of these beliefs may be challenged or proven to be untrue. If the Bosnian Pyramid exists, there could be information found within that could radically change our knowledge of human origin, purpose, and our place in the universe. The experienced archaeologists that are worried about ruining real artifacts should go help oversee the dig. My opinion, and I'm just an average guy, is that I believe in scientific evidence and only what I can see for myself. We must keep digging if we ever want the real truth, regardless of how far the finds may take us from our comfort zone or present belief systems.

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Eadhmonn Ua Cuinn, Elkins, WV — Fri, 16 Jun 2006 11:07:16 GMT

If Zawi Hawass thought enough of the project to send a representative from Egypt, who verified that the pyramid was man made, and the European Archaeologists made only a 15 minute cursory evaluation of the site, Common sense would dictate that the dig should continue.

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Rich G, Fairless Hills, Pa — Fri, 16 Jun 2006 13:17:49 GMT

I really don't see why there is all of the disapproval of the dig. If it turns out to be natural then the skeptics will be happy. If it does turn out to be a pyramid , and hopefully it will, then I am sure that they will still find something that will be wrong. It is funny that it took so long for someone to come up with the idea that there is a pyramid there.
From the pictures that they show the rocks look manmade to me. I think that it is hard to say that the rocks are natural and that there just happens to be tunnels by these rocks. Hopefully we will find out what is going on in that valley soon.

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Ryan Walsh, Brooklyn, NY — Fri, 16 Jun 2006 13:56:53 GMT

I'm sure Dr. Daniel Jackson would find this all very interesting... Kind of reminds me of the crazy guy who claimed that a Barbie doll was an ancient fossil and tried to get it carbon dated to verify his claims.

But, that said, I don't think it will hurt anyone to just take the time to completely disprove his claims.

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Katherine Reece — Fri, 16 Jun 2006 13:58:37 GMT

To OneWolf:
I have no problem with work continuing. But I think it should continue with real archaeologists not someone who thinks that the Maya came from outer space as Osmanagic does.

To Safet Zec:
Dr. Harding did not make a "15 minute drive by" the pyramid site. This is what they are telling y'all. He went and walked the site, blending in with the crowds of tourists so he could look around without being shown what they wanted him to see. The letter to UNESCO also has information showing that there has been digging on the hilltop near the protected ruins.
Most of what we have seen pictures of are natural geological formations that happened with these hills folded upwards millions of years ago from the pressure of the earth's plates coming together as was explained by the Tulza University geologists who studied the site.

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Ray Cherry, Lisboa, Portugal — Fri, 16 Jun 2006 14:03:54 GMT

Referring to the very modern (in comparison) remains that are reported to sit atop the hill being investigated, perhaps if the critical archaeologists had paid more attention to them the pyramid would have been discovered years ago by someone more 'qualified', 'credible', 'scientific', 'acceptable' and 'intellectual' than Mr. Osmanagic.

As it has turn out, good intuition, hard work, common sense and faith have had to be used instead.

Good luck Bosnia.

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James S., Springfield, TN — Fri, 16 Jun 2006 14:16:22 GMT

I think the Bosnian pyramid could prove to be a major archaelogical discovery if only scientists would stop trying to disprove it. Who would have thought that there were pyramids in the middle of the rain forests in South America? What about American Indian mounds that were thought to be only hills in the past? Come on, this could be a missing page in the civilization of man. Why waste time being pessimistic? They should embrace this as an opportunity to rewrite history. I mean, even Eintstien's Theory of Relativity is being questioned these days. Why not have hope that this could be something great instead of so much nay-saying. I, for one, am totally for it. Good luck and God bless!

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Shaun Hansel, Mechanicsburg, PA — Fri, 16 Jun 2006 14:20:29 GMT

There are pyramids all over the world, not just egypt and mexico. True, these other pyramids aren't always built from the same monoliths as others, and their exact structures are often extremely different, but so are the differences between the pyramids in Mexico and Egypt. Other countries with pyramids are, China, Greece, France, Spain, Italy, and perhaps even the sunken one in Japan. No, all of these are not the enourmous structures we think of when someone says pyramid, but the shape, and often the function, remains the same.

I see no reason to doubt the claims(aside from Osmanagic being an amateur archaeologist, and the "experts" not liking the fact that he might be the one to uncover it.) I hope they do find a pyramid there, just to shake things up. If not, oh well, that's science.

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Safet Zec — Fri, 16 Jun 2006 14:48:50 GMT

To Katherine Reece

FYI: Mr A said on the press conference that he was there only 15 minutes. He went there without meeting people from foundation to show him around (there is already over 100 locations where digging is taking place). There is no evidence that he was there. As true profeesional he should meet people (Mr Semir Osmanagic) and defend his case, not to sneak around.
Actually he wrote against pyramid b4 he went there. He wrote a letter (The Times) against the pyramid in April 2005. How can he write about something If he did not see it at that time. There is no digging going on anywhere in protected zone.
I think we need to help Mr Osmanagic to speed up to find out ASAP true about it, othervise this will drag forever.
Sceptics are already unhappy so much about it, I'm just guessing why is that.
Check it out here. www.bosnianpyramid.com.

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Homer Gray, La Porte, TX — Fri, 16 Jun 2006 14:56:37 GMT

The investigation needs to continue. After all, the earth was once flat and only birds could fly.

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Katherine Reece — Fri, 16 Jun 2006 15:06:12 GMT

To Rich G:
As I said in another post here the "man made" block are jointed and fragmented bedrock that broke apart under stress when the plates came together millions of years ago. The tunnels are ancient mining tunnels dating from as long ago as 3,500 BC when the area was being mined for copper.

Anyone interested in learning more on how the "man made" appearing blocks are natural can visit this post on my website http://www.hallofmaat.com/read.php?1,406068,406068#msg-406068

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Katherine Reece — Fri, 16 Jun 2006 15:11:49 GMT

Also it might be helpful if y'all read the letter we sent to UNESCO so you can see why we are concerned.

http://www.hallofmaat.com/unescoletter.doc

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Katherine Reece — Fri, 16 Jun 2006 15:18:35 GMT

Ray Cherry:
Those hill top remains have been studied .. matter of fact they are a National Monument!

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Tom holcomb Jr., Knoxville, TN — Fri, 16 Jun 2006 15:25:27 GMT

Referring past history..the existence of the pyramids in Egypt and even more interesting pyramids in central and south american and the earlthy pyramids in north america would it be so hard to believe that there are actually pyramids in Bosnia? No..history has told us that over time things and places are lost to the world because of war, famine, plague and even natural disaster. So keep digging and using the lastest technology in the hands of trained archaeologists to find the true, after all we are making history here!

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david alt,daytona beach,fl — Fri, 16 Jun 2006 16:16:13 GMT

let the exploration continue (new tools,perhaps,may minimize damage);one never knows what to expect.

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Quietman, Forrest Lake, PA — Fri, 16 Jun 2006 16:28:06 GMT

Even if these features are natural the tunnel should be investigated, as with any cave dating back to the ice age, for remains of primitive man and his culture.

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Chris T., Webster, MA — Fri, 16 Jun 2006 16:43:50 GMT

The question is whether or not they are TRULY pyramids. So what is the definition of pyramid. If they are in fact large hills covered with man-made stones to form a pyramid shape then wouldn't they truly be pyramids. Not necessarily from the ground up pyramids like the Egyptians or Mayans but still a pyramid nonetheless. Simple logic folks.

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Mason Ian, Kauai, HI — Fri, 16 Jun 2006 17:09:31 GMT

Let them dig. If it turns out to be something man-made (whether pyramid or ancient skatepark) it will be of interest to archaeology and the study of Europe's history. Who knows, it might give a healthy boost to Bosnian tourism and positive foreign exposure. If it turns out to be naturally occuring then geologists will be able to sharpen their speeches on "natural rocks that happen to look man-made" (perhaps saving face for other would-be archaeologists). We all must remember another amatuer archaeologist: Heinrich Schliemann whose "crazy" claims in the 1870s turned out to be mostly correct. Osmanagic might believe that the Maya were decendants of the roswellian sort, but let's not forget that even notable scientists hold to some pretty kooky personal beliefs. How many learned men bought the book "Dianetics" and thought: "This is great stuff!"?

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RUDOLPH LUCKHOFF SOUTH AFRICA — Fri, 16 Jun 2006 17:39:03 GMT

if it turns out to be pyramids at all, i'm sure someone else built it..the Bosnians don't have enough savvy to undertake such a mammoth task...then or now

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K. Jespersen, VA, USA — Fri, 16 Jun 2006 17:51:38 GMT

The digging should continue, but in a top-down or out-to-in fashion, taking care of the medieval sites first. Who knows? While surveying, the archaeologists who would have to conduct such an operation might find ice/stone-age camp remains preserved somewhere on the hill surface, illustrating their natural/non-monumental point.

Readers should take issue with the comments from leading archaeologists that no-one from the claimed time periods had monument-building capabilities. That is an opinion, and they should know better than to make such conjectures, given that we spend so many resources trying to prevent the deterioration of the monuments we have found. What keeps monuments from having deteriorated past our recognition before we found them? Besides, humans have never been stupid or incapable-- Newgrange in Ireland is rumored far older than Stonehenge and yet has never leaked a drop of rain in the inner sanctum. How long and with how many failed experiments did it take humans to create something like that? Why could not a pyramid in Bosnia have been one of those experiments? (Ignoring any knowledge we have of ancient trade and migration routes, of course.)

On the other hand, nothing so far truly confirms the Bosnian pyramids as synthetic structures. No, not even the regularly angular and seemingly polished paving stones, or the purported tunnels. The Giant's Causeway in Ireland and Scotland, anyone? How about those interesting lava tubes in New Mexico, USA? The reports of a sandstone block with writing on it in the tunnels lend them no credence-- even amateurs know you need to document something in its place before moving it, and there seems to be nothing so far. It will probably be reported "lost in transit to Egypt" and start some conspiracy theories.

If archaeologists truly want to lay this to rest once and for all, they need to cease this foolish whining about paying attention to upstarts, rich nuts, and conspiracy theorists, and get out there to dig. Once they find some hard evidence and write some reports, the news will be all over it either way, rather than just the bloggers. If the talk about rich nuts funding the testing of radical theories of origin at this site is true, legitimate archaeologists won't even have to dig into their own funds-- just get a sponsor!

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Emily — Fri, 16 Jun 2006 17:55:07 GMT

Let them keep digging. The more they find out, the better. Also, let their work be peer-reviewed by other archaeologists the way science experiments are.

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Rich L., Fort Worth, TX — Fri, 16 Jun 2006 18:00:57 GMT

I think a quick test/mapping of the site with precision GPS equipment, using civil engineering personnel from a neutral country, would probably put this to bed pretty quickly. As for the blocks, I would suggest archaeologists from the University of Mexico City examine them for tool or quarrying marks. Science will find the evidence - but there are some who will not like the results.

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Carol Dines, Oklahoma City, Ok. — Fri, 16 Jun 2006 19:11:09 GMT

We won't know until the site has been excavated what is truly there. Here is more potential proof of the length of time mankind has been on this Earth.

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James Coppock, Omaha, NE — Fri, 16 Jun 2006 19:25:22 GMT

This is a classic example of cultural racism, the notion that "primitive" cultures can't possibly have possessed the creativity and ability to build such structures. It is a very disturbing argument...

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J Riederer, Anaheim CA — Fri, 16 Jun 2006 19:48:35 GMT

Sometimes the greatest discoveries are those that are made by amateurs. Don't think so? It was a bunch of backyard amateur astronomers that discovered a comet heading for Jupiter (Shoemaker-Levy Comet). Probably one of the greatest discoveries in astronomy next to the moon landing.
It is possible to think maybe the science community is in an uproar over the pyramids because accredited professionals didn't make the discovery first and yet it is amateur scientists who are still hunting for the truths that remain hidden.
Just because another's "idea" doesn't meet the reality of the masses doesn't mean they are a sham. They are just eccentic. Take Newton or even Da Vinci. Everyone thought they were way out there but their ideas are now looked at as chief science by accredited professionals.
If this discovery pans out to be true I hope the critics will apologize to Semir Osmanagic and get back to real science.

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Don Smith — Fri, 16 Jun 2006 19:55:45 GMT

As the Public Works people in my county say: Let the digging continue. It is a job and pays someones bills.

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Philip, Pocatello, Idaho — Fri, 16 Jun 2006 20:06:58 GMT

Please... I can't wait until some actual, credible archaeology gets done over there and discredits this farce.

Finding a pyramid in Bosnia from that time period would be akin to finding an ipod in the excavation as a 19th century mining town. It's just silly.

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BRUCE S , BELVIDERE , IL — Fri, 16 Jun 2006 20:19:55 GMT

I HAVE BETTER THINGS TO WORRY ABOUT .. LIKE HOW I AM GOING TO PAY NEXT M0NTH'S BILL .. AND FILLING UP THE GAS TANK ...

LET THEM DIG AWAY

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K. Curtis, Albuquerque, NM — Fri, 16 Jun 2006 20:54:15 GMT

What's the problem? As I understand the situation there are three potential pyramid sites, one with
a neglected and crumbling medieval site on top of it.
So dig a hill with no town on top of it first. If you find something great. If not you may want to reconsider other sites. But as with all science you will not know until you try. Conjecture and ego are not good scientific instruments, research is. So let them dig and they will either dig themselves into a very large hole or advance historical knowledge. If
"credible scientists" want to join the project, let them. But don't knock the work until the results are in.

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Tim Becker, Fort Wayne, Indiana — Fri, 16 Jun 2006 20:59:48 GMT

In my opinion, the investigation should continue. It is interesting to see how the established archeological community scoff and ridicule findings that don't match their theories and/or viewpoints. How much more could we have learned about our past if a more open-minded approach had been used regarding other discoveries or opinions. It appears to me that many such "misfit" discoveries are discarded as hoaxes or natural oddities if they don't fit the mold.

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Kevin Renville — Fri, 16 Jun 2006 21:00:00 GMT

Dig it all up. If it's real, we'll gain countless knowledge. If it's not, we've lost nothing but time.

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RS Thomas — Fri, 16 Jun 2006 21:16:04 GMT

As frequently is the case in politics, it should not be difficult for an observer to determine which side has the more compelling position. Osmanagic has offered concrete evidence: stone structure, flat 45* surfaces alligned to the cardinal points, man made caves and more... is open with his opinions; and invites more exploration. "Established" voices on the other hand choose to ignore his evidence, resort to maligning his charactar and insist the uncomfortable anomalies be closed down and shut off from further investigation. Doesn't take much effort to determine which side is most credible and deserves our support. Does it?

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WilsonZ, Vancouver BC — Fri, 16 Jun 2006 21:35:36 GMT

I have been invoved extensively in blogs where a lot of "expertise" has been presented on this topic. Though I am skeptical of the claims for a pyramid, I am frustrated to hear the objections being mostly based on assumptions which have the form: "What we know about the site - Geologically and historically, say such and such, therefore it wrong to look for anything that does not fit this current knowledge"

I think they should coninue looking, even if I think they are wrong! Maybe they will find something. And if the archeologial professionals what to go along and make sure that the dig deals professionally with those precious medeival and roman artificats which they probalby were never going to dig up anyway, then some real tangible good will have been accoplished!

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Valentine — Fri, 16 Jun 2006 21:38:16 GMT

There is no harm in continuing the dig, eventually the truth will come out. I don't thing they can cover this up. So dig on.

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Keri — Fri, 16 Jun 2006 22:43:55 GMT

They thought the guy who went looking for Troy was crazy; they told him it never existed, it was just a story Homer made up. Then when he found a city that matched the discriptions, of the right age, in the right location with all the signs of a prolonged seige, they had to eat their words.

Why not dig? How do you think we find fossils and gravesites and all that other good stuff except that someone spots a likely-looking place and starts to dig. This looks as likely as anything else. Even if it is a natural hill, surely the people who lived there thousands of years ago would have found it interesting--just as we do--and probably left some evidence of their interest there.

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Marc Bilz, Lindsay Ontario Canada — Sat, 17 Jun 2006 01:55:35 GMT

We must stop this excavation immediately! The arrogance of Osmanagic to imagine that he might have made perhaps the greatest discovery of all time! I laugh when I think that he must believe he has a significant piece of the puzzle of who we are and where we came from. Leave these things to the people that have all the right credentials, all the right affiliations. For these are the very people who can give us the text book answers that we must accept being the sheep that we are. That a self taught amateur dares to stand up to the establishment and believe he may have found something, and dares to express an unacceptable opinion that there may be an extraterrestrial connection - stop this insurrection and then...off with his head!!

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RobRoyCometh — Sat, 17 Jun 2006 01:59:01 GMT

So many times, over so many centuries, the "experts and naysayers have been proven wrong. Piltdown Man anyone? How many poor students of archaeology and anthropology were taught the "truths" learned from that classic hjoax?!

Leave the guy alone and let him dig. I don't think he will do nearly as much damage to 'precious' sites as he will to Mark Rose's ego if it proves to be true that these hills are pyramids.

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Patrick Bishop, Caldwell, NJ — Sat, 17 Jun 2006 02:02:50 GMT

Hm...I would like to believe that this is an artificial structure, but Osmanagic's conclusions do not necessarily conform to his findings so far. As I understand it, he has excavated a small area on a rather enormous hill and found (supposedly) artificial paving stones. Well, even assuming that they ARE artificial does not mean the entire hill is covered with them. Maybe he's just found some ancient guy's patio. It's his claim that the entire hill is an artificial pyramid when all he's actually found is just this little bit of debatable evidence that bugs me...though I'm not too happy about his claim about the Mayans' outer-space connection either.

On the other hand, not every great discovery has been made by credentialed scientists. If tomb robbers could stumble across the Egyptian Royal Cache, then I see no reason why we should completely discredit Osmanagic. He may not have found an Atlantean building, but he's probably found SOMETHING.

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Safet Zec — Sat, 17 Jun 2006 09:56:58 GMT

To: Katherine Reece

If you are so concerned about a site, you should be there helping a Bosnians with your expertise but not try to stop this project.
Everyone knows that something is hidden under the Visocica Hill. We, as Bosnians, have a right to dig and find out, and we will do it.
We know that from South America that Churches have always been built on top of the pyramids without knowing of pyramids underneath.
This is not unusual, have a look

http://www.alternativnahistorija.com/AH8_files/image056.jpg

In Visocica case we have few cultures on top of each other. (Illyrians, Romans, Bosnians and more and we will find) ...

Regards from Bosnia,

Check for the latest information about digging here.
wwww.bosnianpyramid.com

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Boris Marijanovic, Bowling Green, kentucky — Sun, 18 Jun 2006 06:22:52 GMT

I belive the excavation should continue. The man made tunnels and that radar and satilite imagery shows exactly perfect gemoetriic lines. If the pyramid is real it would give amazing insight in to the earliest civilizations and their intelect.

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Ronnie Loy , Jamestown, Ky. — Mon, 19 Jun 2006 00:39:49 GMT

I think the dig should continue. You cannot listen to the world's scientific elite, they think everything they don't already know about doesn't exist. besides, it would be fun to watch them have to rewrite some of the history for the last 10,000 years.

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Shnazmid, Madison, WI — Mon, 19 Jun 2006 21:28:40 GMT

The cubit form of measure matches both in Egypt and Mexico, which tells me there is a universal connection in regard to pyramid construction. Just ask Leonard Nemoy. Not to mention the general lack of knowledge of civilizations even immediately pre-dating what we consider the "pyramid builder" cultures. It's entirely possible that this structure was abandoned, and then reclaimed by the ice age tribes, which confuses the notion of who built it. Such is the general conclusion with the Sphinx. There are many discoveries yet to be made, I just hope they happen during my lifetime.

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Ago, Tempe, AZ — Tue, 20 Jun 2006 02:00:47 GMT

All I have to say is, if you haven't been to Visoko, if you did not climb to the top of that "hill", if you haven't seen the uncovered blocks, pretty much if you do not have a clue about what is going on there, then do not make or offer your opinion. It would be worthless.

First, the blocks are being uncovered on all sides of the pyramid (not just a single patch as one reader mentioned). Second, the blocks are man made (Katherine, tell me how is it possible that Earth is capable of producing concrete, smart crust folding, eh?) Third, the pyramids can't and probably won't ever be uncovered completely, there is a serious possibility of mud slides. If enough trees and dirt are removed without proper planning, the top would slide and destroy the town beneath.

I would personally prefer if Osmanagic himself covered the blocks in dirt and played the world for the benefit of the local tourism. I am just happy that for once in its bloody history, Bosnia is in the news for something other than war.

Dig, make those pyramid sculptures, sell those t-shirts and make sure you overcharge the foreigners.

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Patrick Clements, Tampa, Fl. — Tue, 20 Jun 2006 14:08:56 GMT

Hmmm... Time to put on my tinfoil hat and grab a shovel. After all, we ALL know that "The Truth is IN There."

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James MCNitt Lansing Michigan — Wed, 21 Jun 2006 00:54:58 GMT

To dig, or not to dig. This is your question. My question is what the )&%*$( are you people all in a tizzy for? The sides are lining up like this. WE (group #1) want to discredit those persons of professional standing who are discrediting a ego besotted with itself, but only if you believe those who hate egos to begin with. I say let the diggers dig, they will any way, and I can prove it! Scientifically. My dog, who obeys my every command, refuses to obey my one command, which is to stop digging holes in the yard. SO, let the diggers dig. Let the discrediters discredit, and professionals profess, and so on and so forth and so what!

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Jerry Sieber, North Pole, Alaska — Wed, 21 Jun 2006 00:57:47 GMT

Pyramids in Bosnia? We should involve the Air Force.
They could deliver two 500 pound bombs strategically placed and remove all soils from the said structure. No loss of life, area would be evacuated prior to strike, and the mystery would be unearthed(no pun intended). As for the medieval city atop of the mound, we should use our SETI program to request the aliens to relocate the tiny town to an alternate location safe from the impact. We will give them 30 days to answer or we could hire 50,000 egyptians to move the city stone by stone.
This is a very reasonable technique because it involves "blowing things up" and guys like to do that sort of stuff. So lets make the dirt fly!

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Keith Rudder, Bentonville, AR — Wed, 21 Jun 2006 02:18:26 GMT

It is odd to me that so many accredited archaeologists would immediately discredit this discovery w/out having laid eyes on it at all. I can only assume that this would upset their longheld and published theories on the history of civilization as we know it. It is a sad day when your own arrogance and belief system disrupts real science. If you really want get them going, then suggest that this pyramid must have been covered in mud following the biblical flood and that this could be the tower of Babel. Won't that be fun!

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Andy Russell, Everett Washington — Wed, 21 Jun 2006 18:22:25 GMT

Looks like the same old human drama is playing once again. You just have to admire both sides of the battle and all those in between.

Without the “believer”, “dreamer” and “amateur” would we ever discover anything new? Without the “cynic”, “skeptic” and “critic” would new discovery's be put to the test?

Both sides have there purpose. Admire the believer, dreamer and amateur. For they help discover the new truth. Admire the cynic, skeptic and critic for they help maintain truth.

The battle is being waged between both sides and when the dust settles what will be left is truth. Admire the battle.

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Keith Rudder, Bentonville, AR — Thu, 22 Jun 2006 02:51:39 GMT

I agree wholeheartedly w/Andy's comment. The only problem I have is when a "cynic", "skeptic", or "critic" go beyond the boundaries resulting in a supression of truth or the supression of the new discovery itself. I believe Osmanagic has done the right thing in being stubborn against the critics and continuing on as if they didn't exist.

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Jimbo, chicago,ill. — Fri, 23 Jun 2006 21:43:55 GMT

If there is a GIANT pyramid there then why are they having such a hard time proving it. It's been months! What's with all the digging, a ground servey with siesmic techniques should reveal a GIANT pyramid.

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Petros Petrosyan, Yerevan, Armenia — Sun, 25 Jun 2006 04:57:16 GMT

I’m Petros Petrosyan from Armenia. I was born in 1962. In 1985 I graduated from Yerevan Engineering University. I am married and I have 2 children. Since 1988 I have been seriously interested in the problems connected with the origin and predestination of the pyramids. During these nearly 14 years I have thoroughly got acquainted with the whole history concerning the pyramids.I know the orthodox theory of the origin and predestination of the pyramids,quite well.I am aware of the opinions of many pyramidologists as well. I must tell you, that the official Egyptology is not always right in everything what concerns the origin and predestination of the pyramids.I’m deeply convinced,that Egyptology is wrong in the main point and this is in the following: Standing firm on the well-known Egyptological theory,that pyramids are only mausoleums of pharaohs,they have utterly closed the door,through which the true decision of the given question had to enter. As you know many pyramidologists from different countries support the hypothesis,according to which the pyramid is considered to be a coded message to mankind. I truly support this hypothesis and after long investigations having lasted for years,I tried to prove it with the help of my book “Pyramids: The Key to the Code of Self-Destruction”,which was published in 2002 in the “Edit Print” Publishing House in Armenia. ISBN 99930-935-2-1

The following things were ascertained by me:

1. The pyramid is not only the mausoleum for the pharaoh, and the main motives, which were the source of its construction, were not in this platitude. Here it must be emphasized, that Egyptology has never accepted even the thought of any serious discussion on the problem concerning the code of the pyramid, being in constant contradictions with pyramidology mainly in this cause.

Thus Egyptology deprived itself of the chance of taking part in finding ways for the true resolution of this problem.

2. All architectural-construction parametres of the pyramid are of no principal significence from the point of their cryptographical value. Trying to solve the problem of the hypothetically supposed code of the pyramid, many pyramidologists often turned to different pseudo-mathematical interpretations, which were nearly always connected with the geometrical parametres of the Great Pyramid of Giza.

Following this way, every time pyramidology considerably stands aside from the true way of solving the given problem.

3. The essence of the code is hidden in those peculiarities of the geometrical form of the pyramid, which stipulate the definition of the given geometrical form.

4. I fixed the principal model of the cryptographical matrix the code of the pyramid. The principal model of the hypothetically supposed code of the pyramid consists of 365 small pyramids, which from the facets of the 14-stepped big pyramid.

5. It was settled, that the Bible has the very direct relationship with the suggested code. In addition, some parts in the Bible at the same time are the constituent parts of the code and keys for its deciphering.

6. The figures 365 and 14 are considered to be one of the main keys in deciphering it.

7. The coded information about concrete extents, which is difficult for me to express, refers to the principal aspects in the formation of the Solar system, the planet Earth, bases of the Matter organization, factors creating time and many other things as well. 8. In the process of investigations on the principal model of the code, I finally undertood, that the information, which interests us-is coded in the way of various geometrical compositions, which are fixed in the structure of the code itself. Geometrical compositions of small pyramids can be both flat and volume-spatial.

9. Whit the help of the academical methods of mathematical analysis of definite geometrical compositions of small pyramids are received concrete figure systems and mathematical equations and their essence and significence are always defined with the help of the periodical list of the chemical elements.

To visit PETROS PETROSYAN'S web site go to:
http://freenet.am/~messiah

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Jadran, Rijeka, Croatia — Fri, 30 Jun 2006 10:28:00 GMT

(To Jimbo (and all the sceptics ;-) )
They having such a hard time proving it because it is not easy to dig out such a monument (pyramid or whatsoever) under the tons of soil, trees, grass and stones. All that work has to be done easily, by hands and not by caterpillars and dredging machines. Beside that, all these volunteers are under the "fire" of sceptics and debunkers of all kind. And this psychological war is very exhausting. No much support, no much money, plus hot weather these days,... imagine just that.
Let them dig, there is something big down there. It will just take time and a hard work.

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Jadran, Rijeka, Croatia — Fri, 30 Jun 2006 18:09:21 GMT

If Osmanagic didn't come out with his crazy story and the project to dig out "the pyramids" in the middle of Bosnia they had been still covered under the tons of soil, trees and grass. Pyramids or whatever!? Why the high degrees academics and historians are all against it!? Simply because of the anger and jealousy they were not the first to see and point out, probably the most sensational discovery of European history. Domestic people gone bananas about all and that's OK, that's natural. If they make some fun about it or making souvenirs or food in the shape of pyramids trying to earn some money what's wrong with that. If this is fanaticism, fine. I rather prefer this kind of fanaticism than the one we had in the last war. Bosnian people did suffer much, let them breath a little air now. Let them dig out their first "pyramid", their very own history.

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Herbie,Darwin — Wed, 05 Jul 2006 02:09:57 GMT

The Visoko-hypotheses is fuzzy: we do not even know if the whole 600m mountain is meant to be a pyramid, or only the top 100 or 200 meters, all of these possibilities were implied in media-releases . We also do not know what would count as a pyramid...a pyramid-shaped hill with man-enhanced shafts could be hailed as a 'primitive pyramid' as the egyptian expert calls the concept, although the area is full of mine-shafts from celts and romans anyway. Such fuzzyness adds to confusion and buzz, allowing the organizers of the event plenty od room to wiggle and extend their projects in the face of not coming up with anything tangible.

To call the pyramid-hill 'four sided' is plain wrong, on the fourth side there is a clear connection to a mountain ridge via a saddle, visible on their own photos and local topographic maps. The flat surfaces of the hill have their matches on the opposite side of the valleys, suggesting glacial or fluvial origins of the features. Satellite images show the whole region to exibit a criss-crossing pattern of ridges at right angles beyond the pyramid area - also the work of the ancients? Similarly, there exist other unusual, regular topographic features in the vicinity, what about the giant kidney-shaped amphitheater one sees on the photos- why no mention, no plausible theory to fit it in? The human mind ends to find regularity in chaotic patterns, a phenomenon called 'pareidolia', the facce on mars was mentioned already, the face of Jesus on a tortilla, Rohrschach test etc. Pyramid-shaped hills are found around the world, I counted 5 potential ones on the way to work in my neck of the woods.

Also: why does Osmanagic come up with the pyramid hypotheses now? He has been living and studying 30km from the place (sociology and economics I believe) and was heavily into 'cryptoarcheology' years ago with his round granit-bolder theories of ancient civilisations in Bosnia ... why no earlier connection between the legendary pyramid-shaped hill in visoko and the pyramid?

Arguments like 'they laughed about Galileo and Lister as well' do not count, claims have to be weighted against best evidence of the case at hand.
Osmanagic is a talented event-creator and businessman, bringing tourism to his hometown and public exposure for his projects. After all, there's gold in them there old legends and funny shaped hills if you know HOW to look: the mystery-of-the-ancients angle, fanning patriotic fervor, fuzzily worded press releases, 'Miss Bosnia' events...look and learn
;-)

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Darko L, Washington, DC — Fri, 07 Jul 2006 13:22:46 GMT

I say let them dig, all critics should go to the site and let their thoughts be known. If Osmanagic can prove them wrong he will, if he cannot then critics win. But please go and look at the site yourself, don't judge from thousands miles away. And please don't sneak around, let them know you are there because you do not believe them. We don't care if Osmanagic does not have any credentials. Our elite accredited archaeologists are not capable of anything else but to critize someone elses work.

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Emir , Sarajevo , Bosnia — Fri, 14 Jul 2006 15:13:29 GMT

I have visited the pyramids (some dig sites) and i am not sceptic any more. These things are real !
Maybe for now they dont look like pretty pyramids -there are these huge flat blocks under the earth.

I live in bosnia and i never have seen these kind of rocks and in this shape and positions.

* Sides of the pyramids are eqal and form equal sides triangle.

* The tops of tree pyramids are conected at same length and form also a equal sides triangle.

* The shadow of pyramid of sun exactly covers the pyramid of moon at winter and sumer solstice.

* There are tunnels with ventilation at every 30 m with some megalith blocks and strange markings - they connect the pyramids at the center of their bases.

* The drainage of water from hills of pyramids is not radial as in natural formations.

* There is no irregular errosion as in natural hills.

In War, hills, when bombarded emitted bonking noise (not as other regular hills.)

Local people used for centuries bulding material from these pyramids - that also must be noted.

This is real - i have been sceptic like many other bosnians , and i have make jokes about MrSemir (a.k.a Bosnian Indiana Jones) but know i know there are pyramids- maybe you ought to see by yourself.

- I think they are shaped hill covered with huge stone blocks.

visit - http://www.bosnian-pyramid.com
- http://pyramidsofbosnia.blogspot.com/
- http://www.piramidasunca.com/

...

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funestis Donja Lastva — Sat, 19 Aug 2006 17:16:04 GMT

Could those blocks just be leftovers from building the medieval town just 200m away?

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michael, McQueen,Arkansas — Thu, 14 Sep 2006 05:00:01 GMT

maybe if they could only find some Bigfoot tracks around the pyramids then the scientists would surely come.

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S Cameron, San Diego, CA — Thu, 14 Sep 2006 05:34:30 GMT

Personally, the guy's probably wrong. To Ms. Reece however, let the man dig. Better yet, get some competent support out there to verify whether or not his claim is correct. In a twisted way this reminds me of a trio of doctors in Malta. Thier ideas were dismissed out of hand too; while being obviously educated and intelligent people, they weren't 'professional archaeologists'. It has only been within the last few years that their theories concerning prehistorical Malta have begun to be seriously examined one way or another. It is the same here. At the very least the site should be examined thoroughly and objectively.

As for the idea that more local archaologists should be onsite, I agree. However, how many local 'experts' are there in Bosnia? Last I checked the place was in and out of war for several years. I think the Bosnian government would've sent more local talent if there was any. Mr. Osmanagic is probably the closest to a local 'expert' available. Otherwise I'm sure the Bosnians would've sent thier own certifed person, if only to appease the heavy hitters of mainstream archaeology. And so far there seems to have been lots of talk but no action. If you want to silence the conspiracy theorists Ms. Reece, you need all three sides on site - the believers, the pundits, and those who simply want to get the job done right. Until that can be made a priority, I don't think the mainstream has too much to complain about. If they can't send someone, it is either because they don't have someone to send, or it simply isn't a priority to investigate Osmanagic's claims about the structure. That being said, eventually he will prove himself right or wrong to the public at large.

On a final note out of curiousity, how big is the field of professional archaeology these days? If anyone can answer with an approximate number of 'experts' in the world today. My point is everytime something like this comes up, someone screams to send in the experts. These professionals cannot be everywhere at once. As popular as the field seems to be, from the outside looking in archaeology seems still a somewhat exclusive field. More people obviously need to enter it. More need to be recruited into and be trained in this fascinating discipline. Not as easy as it sounds. For example, there are a few colleges in my area with absolutely wonderful degree programs. Unfortunately, you have to effectively give up your job for a few years. Not an option if you need that career to pay the bills. I've lost count of how many technology programs have moved online. Not so with anthropology and archaeology. In fact, the only university I know of offering an online archaeology degree is Leicester in the UK. Nothing takes the place of field work, but moving core courses into distance learning programs should help entice some who are 'on the wall' so to speak. In addition, offering certifcate programs in anthropology and archaeology will allow some to enter the occupation more quickly while working on a degree. Effort should also be made to attract people from other disciplines. Such people would not only bring a new perspective, having multi-talented individuals will expand the talent pool and give them something to fall back on during a slowdown in pure archaeological work. Granted this is from one who is not an 'expert'. But I respect the field and feel this is what is needed to sustain it. Not just to sustain it, but to ensure that those who want the training can easily obtain it. And most of all, to ensure that the next time someone thinks they've made the discovery of the century they can easily find the 'experts'. Instead of having to progress slowly while the rest of the world argues away.

To Mr. Osmanagic - whether you prove your claim or not, may you at least always find and share wisdom.

SC

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T. Allen Dustin, Utah — Sun, 19 Nov 2006 08:22:41 GMT

i do not wish to attack anyone for it would seem that plenty of that is being done already. What is it that the so-called experts r afraid of? i have always been taught that science is a study of questions and theroies etc. and to find facts. well facts cant be found if all that is being done is ridiculing and back biting. no advances or discoveries would ever had been made if it wasnt for someone to have first had questions and wonderment. the "experts" and scientists were not born with their collective knowledge, there had to be a first archeoligist, anthropologist or even palenintoligist. Hey, were dinosaurs really thought to be real at first anyway. plus what about the idea of pangea. u know it just might be possible things r "younger" than some want it to be. is it possible that maybe some parts of what religionist say is actually true. maybe just maybe science is exact or 100% accurt after all.

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Bosniany Pyramid, Bosnia — Tue, 13 Feb 2007 23:23:21 GMT

I've read an interesting article on http://www.bosnian-pyramid.net/ about the corners of the pyramid. It would be an easy way to proof quickly the existence, but they dig near the corners but not the corners. Then they've dug something on the top of it, but not the top!? I've seen some pictures on http://www.pyramids-in-bosnia.info/ that really let me think again about this whole thing. Every day I believe less in this mystery.

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Gabe Sandman — Thu, 15 Feb 2007 10:21:48 GMT

There ought to be a law against having pyramids on the Balkan. I mean who do they think they are? Before we realize what is happening somebody from another no-name-little-country will have the nerve to try to put their little turf on the map with giants, like the USA, England and other first rate civilizations. Nonsense, I protest. My civil rights are being violated, I will sue those responsible. The nerves these people have.

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Dewey, Santa Barbara CA — Sat, 31 Mar 2007 19:27:58 GMT

Sometime, ya just never know. Like what is under those mounds at Cahokia?

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Mark, AZ, U.S. — Mon, 04 Jun 2007 16:48:32 GMT

Its great that they're stirring up the hornets nest. Sometimes science needs that kick in the a$$ to get them looking for new ideas. Whether its true or not it can't really hurt to keep digging.

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Rachel, Florence, MS — Mon, 11 Jun 2007 16:51:45 GMT

It can hurt to dig if they do not watch what they are doing, but if they stop nothing will ever be found. We would not have the sights and fossils we have today if people gave up. I can dig in my back yard and find a new archeological site, but I don't have the drive to do that. If you like being out in the heat and rain, find new things. Live your dreams.

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Ivan — Mon, 27 Aug 2007 16:19:18 GMT

A recent Digg story:
Expert-view on the bogus story that caught attention of world media (CNN, MSNBC, BBC, Reuters, AP...) in 2006-2007. See why it is entirely possible for the "pyramids" near Visoko, Bosnia, to actually represent a historical monument that deserves to be included in UNESCO World Heritage list. Live history now - as geopolitical secrets get unearthed.
http://omerbashich.blogspot.com/

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david, arkansas — Mon, 05 Nov 2007 21:20:49 GMT

Hate to bust everyone's bubble that believes in this bogus "pyramid scheme"....but that's a freakin' HILL. Look at a stellite map of it, then zoom out a bit. You'll see many more hills that can be made into any shape you want them to be....just like the "Face on Mars".

That said, if someone wants to waste time digging into it...knock yourself out.

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Season, Phoenix, Arizona — Wed, 26 Dec 2007 16:15:35 GMT

The land was once accessible to almost all, the majority of water frozen, and so it follows that there are pyramids everywhere. We all wanted to reach the heavens at some point in our lives. Why wouldn't they have? The Tower of Babylon folks. Think about it, you'll get it.

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Josh Steven Gray, Cheyenne, Wyoming — Sun, 30 Mar 2008 05:39:28 GMT

Purely another example of how little we really know about our past. As archaeologists around the world use better technologies as a tool to do there job we are going to be learning SO much more than we already do.

These findings don't surprise me in the least!

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Just curious, Kalamazoo, Mi. — Tue, 11 Nov 2008 15:33:22 GMT

Was the guy that discovered the mound wearing a tinfoil pyramid hat at the time? Just curious.

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M Manifold — Tue, 11 Nov 2008 19:40:11 GMT

Continue! Even if the pyramid turns out to be naturally made - ice-aged people no doubt would have noticed and honored such an anomaly as an important site. Evidence of how they honored the site might give insight into other aspects of their cultural practices and beliefs.

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EnchantedinNM — Tue, 11 Nov 2008 19:53:04 GMT

I don't know how I 'stumbled' onto this discussion, but I can only wonder how ANYTHING has ever gotten accomplished in this World.......! For those who must keep their mind in a box, know that the 'accredited professionals' will always have to justify their importance. But the World moves forward on the backs of the curious, the dreamers,and those that march to different drummers. And thank God for that...or to our 'alien forefathers'!

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Shirley Hundley — Wed, 12 Nov 2008 01:11:23 GMT

What I see here is the "Green EYED Monster" rearing it's head. The recognized scientific community is afraid of losing face to an "amatuer". By the attempts to stop the work that will answer the question, they do themselves and Mr Osmanagic a diservice.

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KOCA — Wed, 24 Dec 2008 15:02:01 GMT

PEOPLE JUST GO TO WWW.PIRAMIDASUNCA.BA
AND YOU WILL SEE.