Moonwalk video gets a makeover

Glenn Beck — Thu, 16 Jul 2009 12:25:50 GMT

Looking more and more like the Mojava desert. Can't you see the cactus in the background?

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Christopher Coughlin — Thu, 16 Jul 2009 12:35:32 GMT

Will the restored video still include an astronaut with a Hasselblat camera with no lense filters or protection against cosmic rays hanging from his neck? It is the best evidence the video was made by Stanley Kubrick and crew at Kubrick's 2001 Space Odessey movie set, in London.

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Oliver Kiss, Montreal, QC — Thu, 16 Jul 2009 13:27:02 GMT

I thought Michael Jackson was the first to do the moonwalk!

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John Doe, Seattle Washington — Thu, 16 Jul 2009 13:56:15 GMT

This moon video 'redone', starting at 1:53 on the American flag star field to the 2:00 minute mark - it looks like the presidential portrait of President Obama!!

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John Doe — Thu, 16 Jul 2009 14:14:13 GMT

When I saw this title, I thought it was about Michael Jackson but it ended up something else! The title is misleading!

[ALAN ADDS: Michael who?]

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Joe — Thu, 16 Jul 2009 14:14:48 GMT

So thay are filling in all the mistakes made of the false landing

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Tom Jamieson, Seattle, Wash. — Thu, 16 Jul 2009 14:27:52 GMT

The snow, the fuzziness--all of that was part of what I saw, what the world saw, that day; that was part of the history of it. A restoration should restore, not enhance. A painting or building restoration aims to restore its subject back to its original condition, not improve on it. On the other hand, this so-called video restoration does no such thing; it is an invention, an algorithmic simulation of what we television witnesses might have seen with slightly better technology on that historic day. The original video was perfect as it was, precisely because it was the original.

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Eric, Salinas, CA — Thu, 16 Jul 2009 14:41:10 GMT

Great opening line Alan and wonderful story about how the Apollo video is being digitized and upgraded to better quality. I remember being jazzed at seeing the whole thing unfold in black and white with crummy picture quality, now we wouldn't put up with that kind of low quality video. It's nice to see the video get an extreme makeover so that current and future generations can enjoy seeing what we saw so long ago.

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PCR — Thu, 16 Jul 2009 15:43:56 GMT

so rather than "finding" the "lost" superior images of the moon landing that they have "misplaced" for forty years, we'll choose to enhance the bad images we payed billions of dollars to shoot on the moon. Great, that makes all the sense in the world.

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Clinton A. D. Huff, Bismarck, ND — Thu, 16 Jul 2009 17:54:44 GMT

I'm still a bit curious as to WHO actually TOOK the video in the first place? I've always assumed a camera was perched on one of the other landing "limbs" but that then raises questions about why NASA would have placed such a crappy camera there to capture such a historical event, AND, just why the rest of the videos and pictures are EQUALLY lousy?

[ALAN ADDS: Right, many other people are very familiar with this Apollo lore and will probably correct me, but the camera showing the ladder view was mounted on a "door" that Armstrong flipped down when he was on the lunar module platform. The camera was 1960s vintage, of course, so it wasn't that great. The team behind the transmissions marveled that it worked at all. Also, there was a conversion process in getting the signal from the radio downlink to the rest of the world that degraded quality.]

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Steve Rochester, NY — Thu, 16 Jul 2009 18:25:24 GMT

Let's face it, if they find a lunar rover on the moon, some of us will be bummed out. A moonhoax pulled off by our government would be much more impressive than actually landing there.

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Carmen Dioxide — Thu, 16 Jul 2009 18:52:52 GMT

I'm confused, I thought I had just read a story in the last month or two stating that the missing original tapes from Australia had been finally found.

I'm sure this project was started long before those original tapes were found however... the article doesn't clearly state whether this restoration project is working on the recently located original tapes or whether they started with the standard fuzzy Apollo 11 footage we've watched for decades.

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S.B. Stein E.B. NJ — Thu, 16 Jul 2009 19:04:48 GMT

It is great that they can get better resolution on these. I can't wait for more people to get to the moon.

I love all these people who claim that it was faked. They will never be convinced that it actually happened no matter what they are told or shown. They might as well believe that the Earth is flat and all the items in the sky are fakes.

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Thomas Ashby — Thu, 16 Jul 2009 19:26:32 GMT

It's wierd that that as Aldrin steps down the ladder you see the horizon proceed right through his leg and body. Also toward the end of the clip when you see the whole LEM, the horizon is visible passing through the right portion of it.

I have always wondered how that can be. It's a funny effect on the video. I see it all the time whenever I view it.

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P.B. Arizona — Thu, 16 Jul 2009 21:24:10 GMT

Why is it that in the footage of Neil stepping onto the Moon surface, we are able to see through his legs and view the background very clearly? His legs look transparent...I am not questioning the validity just want to understand if there is a lens effect from the old cameras causing this or perhaps the video cleanup process.

[ALAN ADDS: This was mentioned during the news conference. The "ghostly" or "ethereal" effect is related to the conversion from the slow-scan to the standard signal. Here's what TVTechnology.com says about it:]

In order to provide video to the estimated 600 million persons watching that evening, NASA also had special standards converters constructed for each of the tracking stations that would be in acquisition with the lunar lander. As electronic components weren’t nearly so sophisticated then, the converters relied on simple optical conversion─a standard NTSC television camera trained on the screen of a special slow-scan monitor being fed with the lowered line number and frame rate video.

While this simple conversion tactic worked, it was far from satisfactory. Contrast was blocked up and a large amount of noise and other distortion was added to the video. The overall effect could be described as rather “ghostly” or “ethereal,” especially when coupled to the unnatural presentation of motion caused by the reduced frame rate.

http://www.tvtechnology.com/article/84074

[By the way, the Clavius Web site is a great resource for debunking moon-hoax conspiracy theories:]

http://www.clavius.org/index.html

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Thomas Ashby — Thu, 16 Jul 2009 22:15:25 GMT

This is always funny.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rgG5s28fvM8&feature=related

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P.B. Arizona — Thu, 16 Jul 2009 22:16:24 GMT

Thanks! I can't wait to see us get the lunar environments built and placed on the lunar surface to allow the astronauts/scientists to live on the surface for an extaned period of time. After that we can do the same on Mar's. Too bad it takes time and money.

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Sam, toronto — Fri, 17 Jul 2009 00:13:31 GMT

I am just curious why it's taking them so long to get back to the moon!

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Dave BC WA — Fri, 17 Jul 2009 04:56:03 GMT

With all the access high quality news people have to government files, at least one of them would have “made the big story” besides the tabloids. Makes you wonder what some people use for brains if they think this was a hoax.

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Frank Glover, Rochester, NY — Fri, 17 Jul 2009 07:29:57 GMT

"I thought Michael Jackson was the first to do the moonwalk!"

The sad thing is that's the only 'moonwalk' a whole generation knows about.

"Will the restored video still include an astronaut with a Hasselblat camera with no lense filters or protection against cosmic rays hanging from his neck?"

And your reasons for thinking a camera needs 'cosmic ray protection' is...?

When you can point to some peer-reviewed research showing that the intensity of galactic cosmic rays is such that exposure for the length of a Lunar mission is at or even close to lethal levels, I'll listen to you.

"I am just curious why it's taking them so long to get back to the moon!"

The same reason we stopped to begin with. (we did not originally intend to stop, you know...we didn't even fly the last three missions we already *had* the hardware for)

Money.

Rapidly bored public that was also occupied with Vietnam, the Cold War and other 60's stress (with Soviet adversaries who faked *disinterest* in sending men to the Moon, once they knew they couldn't do it first...and a lot of people who believed them). No public support means no Congressional support. No bucks, no Buck Rogers. No post-Apollo Lunar exploration. (You couldn't even *whisper* Mars in those winding-down days, even though we originally meant to get there on nuclear rockets in the early-to-mid 1980's.)

Of the three last Saturn Fives meant for the Moon, one launched Skylab instead, the others became lawn ornaments at KSC and JSC.

(Although today, now that we've actually decided to go back, the question is also, what's the best *way* to do it...and that debate *also* has a big funding component.)

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Dustin, San Antonio, TX, USA — Fri, 17 Jul 2009 16:20:33 GMT

I was not alive when the first moon landing occurred but i've always been a fan of space and astronomy. I would like for us to get back to the moon but I know it would not be the same. First back them every tv station was showing this moon landing and I think it brought America together now everyone has their own agenda and while I will be watching (if any station shows it) with amazment I know that all of America would not be involved the way it was before. I wonder if any thing could bring America together again? I truly hope so and I do love this country I just think we have lost our way a liitle bit and wish we could find it again. GO NASA!!!!

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Matt, OH — Fri, 17 Jul 2009 19:11:10 GMT

All I want is for them to point Hubble at the moon and take some actual pictures of landing site. Or can a land based telescope see this?

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Alonso Markelli — Fri, 17 Jul 2009 20:29:56 GMT

To all the idiots who still believe moonlanding was a hoax, eat your s**t now:
http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/31966131/ns/technology_and_science-space/
Of course now you will say it was Photoshopped !

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Thomas Ashby — Sat, 18 Jul 2009 01:24:22 GMT

Will this shut the hoaxters up ?

http://images.spaceref.com/news/2009/369227main_aldrinLM_full.jpg

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Mike Maxwell, Laurel MD — Sat, 18 Jul 2009 03:46:22 GMT

'"The goal was to land and come back safely," he [Nafzger] said. "It was not television."' That's an aspect of the Moon landing that I don't think anybody foresaw even in 1968--that they would be broadcast live (with about a one second delay due to the distance of the Moon from the Earth). NASA was taking a chance; if something had gone wrong, we would have witnessed the death of the astronauts. And of course the TV cameras and transmitters added to the weight.

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Armando Monteiro/Africa/Maputo/Mozambique — Sat, 18 Jul 2009 08:32:42 GMT

The Apollo rocket that carried astraunauts to the moon was a briliant achievement,one day future generations will refer to it as the first step that open the path to another planet with an ambient similar to our little EARTH that is becoming overcrowded poluted and miserable.

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imran khan — Sat, 18 Jul 2009 09:14:18 GMT

The landing was a hoax. NASA wanted a pyschological edge over the Soviets and thats why they came up with this fake video. Stanley Kubric was hired to film this.

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Matt, Lebanon — Sat, 18 Jul 2009 11:04:58 GMT

Hey Alonso,
I was wondering if Nasa could possibly give the coordinates of the moon landings to another country's telescope (say russia or china) and that way they we can make sure that even the images they're releasing today isnt another attempt to cover up the cover up .. dont u think ?!

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Sherea — Sat, 18 Jul 2009 13:20:10 GMT

Old encyclopedias list the moon temperature 350 degrees F. In other words, about the temperature you bake a cake. And in shadows, it was -250 degrees. The space clothing (as listed on the Internet) was made of several layers of spandex and nylon, etc. I don't think I'd want to step into the oven in that. The new encyclopedias omit mentioning the temperature on the moon. Reader's Digest, march 2009 has an article about trying to invent a boot that will withstand moon temperatures. I wonder why they can't just wear their PF Flyers like they did before.

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william\safita — Sat, 18 Jul 2009 14:02:48 GMT

some pepoles here are say that is imposiple walk at the moon watt is your opnion

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Rick Smids — Sat, 18 Jul 2009 14:22:48 GMT

Why cant they just admit they never went to the moon? Lets face it, the moon fiasco is probably the biggest and most idiotic lie in history.

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Charlie Seattle — Sat, 18 Jul 2009 14:56:56 GMT

NASA did not save (DESTROYED) the tape AFTER it was determined that mordern technology and analysis would determine it was FAKED!

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Mayling North Bergen NJ — Sat, 18 Jul 2009 15:12:02 GMT

My sister do not believe that happened,and we all saw it, her question is why the flag moves if is no gravity in the moon?

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Victor Ratz — Sat, 18 Jul 2009 16:07:09 GMT

Rubbish... all of it. This was filmed in the Bronx. they were lucky they didn't fall of the edge of the planet when they filmed. Must have been quite a feat!

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pakistan — Sat, 18 Jul 2009 16:51:48 GMT

Lets see ,how they alter the video this time , by hiding the mistakes previously made in the video, using the technology and equipment they will try to make it a real moonwalk this time .
Michal Jackson will remain the greatest, Rest in peace Michal

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Steve, Baltimore, MD — Sat, 18 Jul 2009 17:12:13 GMT

There's actually a very good episode of Myth busters that goes through and debunks EVERY single one of the conspiracy theories surrounding the 'hoax'. The flag actually doesn't move like it is in a wind but how it would in the moons gravity.

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Chris R. La Puente, CA — Sat, 18 Jul 2009 17:17:22 GMT

Has anyone noticed the stick or rod at the top of the American flag that holds the flag out and still? You can see the impression right through the material.

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Chris R. La Puente, CA — Sat, 18 Jul 2009 18:10:10 GMT

If this was a hoax our government had to do whatever it took to have a psychological edge or advantage over it's competition; every country in technology and in other fields. Tactics like these, if this was a "hoax" is the reason USA is the world leader in just about everything out there.

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Jon Clarke, Anchorage, Alaska — Sat, 18 Jul 2009 21:00:17 GMT

Wow to all of you who think that this thing was a hoax. the leg thing is strange, but i dont think that this was some government trick just to pretend that we beat the russians to the moon. it was not THAT big of a deal.

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Aaron , titusville , Fl — Sat, 18 Jul 2009 22:25:42 GMT

what I want to know is how did they get past Van Allen radiation belts? The site mentioned above about debunking the hoax, mentions nothing scientific, just things about the recording. The russians stated that the radition was so bad that you could see it penterating the eye sockets. IT fried them and they never attempted another launch.

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Nathan Parkman,Bkk,Thailand — Sun, 19 Jul 2009 01:11:17 GMT

You kidding me ??????

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Chet, Burlington, NC — Sun, 19 Jul 2009 03:37:33 GMT

I agree with Dustin in San Antonio its a shame Americans have drifted so far apart. I also wish we could be one nation again. My father worked for TWA at the Cape during the Gemini and Apollo missions. When TWA's contract ended he was given a lot of Memorabilia which included some photos from different missions. I sat and looked through those photos yesterday and realized what they mean to me. The men and women who actually participated in the space program are the only ones who know the truth of what they witnessed. I for one belive what my father saw and heard during those years he worked at the cape. You people who belive it was a hoax are free to keep right on beliving that. But please stop trying to convince me that of all the people on this planet your the only one thats right.

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Frank Glover, Rochester, NY — Sun, 19 Jul 2009 06:03:03 GMT

"All I want is for them to point Hubble at the moon and take some actual pictures of landing site. Or can a land based telescope see this?"

and...

"I was wondering if Nasa could possibly give the coordinates of the moon landings to another country's telescope (say russia or china) and that way they we can make sure that even the images they're releasing today isnt another attempt to cover up the cover up .. dont u think ?!"

Anyone who wants to know those coordinates can Google them in less than a minute, as I just did:

http://www.fi.edu/pieces/schutte/landchart.html

But no Earth-based telescope can resolve that kind of detail. Period.

The Hubble Space Telescope can't either, though it has looked at two of the landing areas to learn more about the regional geology:

http://ims.ivv.nasa.gov/vision/universe/solarsystem/hubble_moon.html

"The landing was a hoax. NASA wanted a pyschological edge over the Soviets and thats why they came up with this fake video. Stanley Kubric was hired to film this."

If so, they should demand their money back. We *know* Stan can do better than that, even with the technology of the time...

"what I want to know is how did they get past Van Allen radiation belts?"

Quickly.

I'm serious. ANY spacecraft (and solid-state electronics don't like ionizing radiation, either. The Faster and lower-powered it is, the more that true) boosted to escape velocity isn't going to spend much time cutting across them, and just as well.

You *don't* want to use low-thrust engines (like ion engines) that would have you taking weeks to get up to escape velocity, gradually spiraling out from Earth, spending far too much time within them.

Old concepts for re-entry from deep space that involved multiple passes through the upper atmosphere and going out into an elliptical orbit (radiating heat from the previous entry away) that would get lower with each perigee were not used because those apogees (wherein the ship would be moving at its slowest) would *also* spend too much timein the belts.

But it's NOT like standing in the middle of a reactor. You don't waste time heading out, you're good...

"The site mentioned above about debunking the hoax, mentions nothing scientific,"

The URL, please?

"...just things about the recording. The russians stated that the radition was so bad that you could see it penterating the eye sockets. IT fried them and they never attempted another launch."

That would be very interesting, considering the Russians NEVER sent a manned flight out where it would cross the belts.

Galactic cosmic rays can occasionally be detected by the closed human eye, but that's got nothing to do with the VanAllen belts.

http://adsabs.harvard.edu/abs/1962Natur.196.1013D

http://www.astronautix.com/details/rad15690.htm

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Frank Glover, Rochester, NY — Sun, 19 Jul 2009 06:17:46 GMT

"Old encyclopedias list the moon temperature 350 degrees F. In other words, about the temperature you bake a cake. And in shadows, it was -250 degrees. The space clothing (as listed on the Internet) was made of several layers of spandex and nylon, etc. I don't think I'd want to step into the oven in that."

Walking on *surfaces* that hot isn't the same as also being surrounded by *air* that's that hot. (ever walked on asphalt that was much hotter than the air?)

Heat can only be transferred by conduction, convection and radiation. Heat from the Lunar surface can reach someone walking on it by reflected sunlight and radiated infrared from its surface, or conduction only through the boots.

If you don't plan on rolling around on the hot surface dust, you'll be okay.

"My sister do not believe that happened,and we all saw it, her question is why the flag moves if is no gravity in the moon?"

One sixth Earth gravity, not none at all...though this has nothing to do with the flag motion, anyway.

Fairly long, thin pole. Horizontal component to hold flag out.

Not waving, vibrating.

No air to help damp down those vibrations through friction.

We've seen ISS solar arrays and a discarded Hubble Solar array do much the same thing...

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Eric, Manorville, NY — Sun, 19 Jul 2009 07:35:42 GMT

It's hard to believe any moon landing happened back then when you look at all the material they supposedly used to land/walk on the moon with (is that tinfoil wrapped around the legs of the landing unit?), which, to the eyes of people today, look like trashy props from an old B-grade science fiction movie. It's funny that people put it into the region of crazy conspiracy theories while the same people would probably want to call someone with a tinfoil hat on their head crazy. It's difficult to believe it because it seems unlikely for several reasons and most of us common people have no means to prove it, but it's also difficult to believe in conspiracies or outrageous claims because of the few means to disprove it as well. We might as well just believe what we're told.

That being said, it would make perfect sense that it was a staged event for reasons like the space race against Russia and to raise hopes of the country's folk. It's nothing new for people to do the wrong thing out of noble reasons. The fact that they're editing non original material now doesn't help add credibility.

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Michael Watt, Pleasanton CA — Mon, 20 Jul 2009 01:07:22 GMT

Anyone who believes the moon landing was a hoax is either a latent paranoid, a person with the inability to really think, or a whack job. Or all of the above.

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Robin L. Ore, Pueblo, Colorado — Mon, 20 Jul 2009 08:20:55 GMT

When I showed the Apollo 17 restored footage at the November 2004 HDEXPO event I co-produced, the audience was amazed by the quality. The original of that was degrading in storage and was originally shot in 8mm film. We showed it in full HDTV quality on a large HDTV projector to a 150 or so audience. Up conversion from a recording of an old broadcast is truly a feat worth congratulating. I know how hard it was to up convert the NTSC of the Shuttle imagery for NASA which I did in 2005 and the Space Ship One NTSC I up converted to HDTV for the HDEXPO. I do not believe the part about accidentally or purposefully erasing the video but I am sure it turned to vinegar as all old video libraries are, in storage. It is time to save them and up convert our history like these Apollo 11 images. I remember thinking it was amazing at the time. Thanks to President Kennedy for that... and the moon measurement systems developed by the optical scientists at JILA in Boulder, Colorado.

The telescope integration can be done and we are working on that now. There is a lot of nasty competition for "space related funding".

The cosmic radiation in space, deep ultraviolet, destroys equipment and people. It is the reason we are not out there and it is not solved yet. Materials science is the answer to protection but "Cosmic" UV passes all the way down far into the earth, as evidenced by the blue worms found there.

The money and time to space is inflated and purposefully prolonged and many initiatives are overlooked by "winner take all types" who prevent competitors from participating in the money pool for innovation. This is the real problem. Feeding all those executives of big business instead of people with ideas and inspiration. The result is a takeover of Space by China and a few multinationals.

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Jim Prewitt Sacramento, Ca — Mon, 20 Jul 2009 11:14:05 GMT

You people who believe the moon landing was a hoax need to get a frikkin'life!!!

Go back to your CAVE.

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Lauren, Marietta, GA — Mon, 20 Jul 2009 13:09:09 GMT

I have recently seen the Director's Cut of Moonwalk One, and it is absolutely amazing! It is a vivid time capsule of society at the time of the Apollo 11 space mission. A must-see film!

I got my copy at amazon.com and have been enjoying it ever since!

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Joe — Mon, 20 Jul 2009 14:11:24 GMT

I have various opinions about why so many people feel the need to believe the moon landings are a fake. I’ve settled on “idiocracy” (yeah, it's spelled how I meant it).

Just because your puny brains can't comprehend how a shadow casts on the moon, how momentum makes a stiff flag sway for a long time in a vacuum and 1/6th gravity, how camera exposures make it impossible to capture stars in the background while capturing sunlight moon in the foreground, or how anyone can be smarter than you and figure out how to create technology enabling us to walk on the moon doesn't mean it didn't happen. No wonder the USA is no longer enjoys a huge lead at the forefront of technology and innovation.

Pssst... If you watch the video backward you will notice the reflection of man-like reptiles in Neil's helmet. You may also notice those reptiles are wearing Illuminati T-shirts, and buttons that say "Next stop: 9/11 2001", and “How do you spell CIA? A.I.D.S.”

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Trisha Banis, Sebring, Florida — Mon, 20 Jul 2009 15:31:14 GMT

I personally believe this landing is a hoax, however, I also believe it was done for the most noble reason, to cement the lead of the U.S. over Russia.
It is clear to me that the feeble attempts to create
a more "believable" film of the non-event is because
many, many of us realize the original film would have been more protected than to be used in other events.
It just doesn't make sense. And, why is this still a secret? Easy answer, all those concerned with the cover-up are true patriots who want the world to think we had the capability to reach the moon 40 years ago. Why haven't we seen anything on the moon since? It seems obvious to me. I hope the truth will finally be exposed.

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Tim Rommes, Washington, UT — Thu, 23 Jul 2009 22:53:13 GMT

Joe,
I tried watching the video backwards but couldn't see anything due to smudges on my mirror. Oh, wait. You didn't mean I should be backwards. Now who feels stupid?

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Sue, Honolulu, Hawaii — Sun, 09 Aug 2009 11:00:34 GMT

"Michael who?" was a GREAT retort!

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SAW, California — Sun, 06 Sep 2009 06:56:18 GMT

I just wonder about the recent Nasa scan of the moon were they pin point the various locations of the Apollo mission and the likes were the shadows of said objects project the opposite direction of the landscape's shadowing.
I've posted about this on gizmodo but my post never made it for some odd reason.
Additionally the mannerism of the pro-real moon walk seem to be similar to the anti-obama health care shouters that pop up at town hall meetings. I'm not saying it didnt happen but these attitudes make me question who really knows what they're talking about and who is just full of it.