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Wed, 06 Dec 2006 03:20:39 GMT

How about carrying an EPIRB when driving, boating, hiking, skiing, etc. in remote areas? That would be my 'silver bullet'.

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Cathy Titchenal — Wed, 06 Dec 2006 03:33:23 GMT

It cannot be stressed hard enough that the best course of action is to STAY WITH THE VEHICLE in situations like this. Also, if you know you will be traveling long distances, pack provisions and be prepared for the possibility of being stranded. Accidents do happen. The Europeans are very skilled at this with the way they travel by car. We would do well to follow their example. Next cell phone I buy will be GPS enabled. I could care less about the privacy factor. Pray for James Kim.

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Charles S Davis — Wed, 06 Dec 2006 03:54:42 GMT

The most important piece of emergency equipment is not a cell phone or any other ellectronic device. It's your intelligence. Mr Kim should have been aware that many mountain roads are not plowed in the winter. If not he should have reached that conclusion when it was obvious the road was not plowed. They got in trouble because of bad judgment. When they first realised they took the wrong turn they should have just turned around and went back the way they came.

Too many people nowadays go out in wilderness areas assuming they can just call for help on their cell phones if they get in trouble. They often cannot get reception in remote areas, and even if they do how can you ask them to come help you if you don't know where you are? Terrain and weather conditions may also prevent rescue for some time. These factors should have be taken into account when planning a trip.

Additionally there is the moral question of putting others a risk. Many rescue personnel have lost their lives trying to save others. It is especially tragic when the emergency could have been prevented. Would you want other people to die because of your bad judgment?

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Alan Boyle — Wed, 06 Dec 2006 04:03:40 GMT

For gadget novices like me, here's further information on the EPIRBs that D referred to:

http://electronics.howstuffworks.com/question351.htm

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Dan Vancouver WA — Wed, 06 Dec 2006 04:23:01 GMT

In areas with limited cell coverage, couldn't an aircraft carry cell tower equipment over a large search area trying to contact and find a missing persons cell phone?

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Ramon, Spring Texas — Wed, 06 Dec 2006 04:23:12 GMT

My Heart and prayers goes out to the Kim's family. We travel a lot by car too and I know the feeling of being stranded in an isolated area w/ your family. I'll do the same as what he did except turning around if I found out I made a wrong turn. Don't lose hope Mrs. Kim. We'll pray for your husband. God bless you all!!!

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Boris G., Long Beach, CA — Wed, 06 Dec 2006 04:54:35 GMT

I think that E911 is a fantastic idea, and a great thing to have enabled on your cell-phone. I am not concerned at all about the government being able to track me where-ever I go, because I don't do anything significantly wrong, and I don't have anything that anybody would want anyway. So for the government to follow my wherabouts is a non-issue. It doesn't bother me at all. I don't cheat, lie, steal, or ever hurt anybody, period. I lawfully pay my taxes and pay my bills. I am just your average Joe citizen. I am not perfect, I am a tue believer in God, and I believe in what goes around, comes around. So I treat EVERYBODY with kindness and respect. Thanks for reading this, and God Bless You All, Every One...

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Wed, 06 Dec 2006 04:55:05 GMT

Charles, the Kims missed a turn and got lost. How often have we all done that? They live in San Francisco, not Oregon. Also, rescue personnel are trained professionals to help in emergencies, do you want them to institute a 'worthy' scale before going out? Get off your high horse and have some compassion.

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Tom, Anaheim, CA — Wed, 06 Dec 2006 04:55:53 GMT

You should always be prepared. A emergency blanket cost about $3.00 and you can fit about 10 of them in a glove box. You should always carry food and water. You should have snow chains if you go anywhere near snow. Cars are far plowed paved roads. Tell someone what roads you will travel on and when you are expected. Checked weather, road conditions and vehicle requirements before traveling.

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Sara Orsdell — Wed, 06 Dec 2006 04:57:12 GMT

We should all be sending energy to James Kim. He is a brave man to strike out after nine days of waiting rescue. He must have felt like the end was in sight and he had to take action. Let's don't be so critical until each one of us is faced with the same decision.

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Ed Hardy, Akron, OH — Wed, 06 Dec 2006 05:04:05 GMT

I agree with Charles, people should use better judgment especially with 2 small children aboard.
People, use a little more common sense and less gadgets.

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Melodie, South Carolina — Wed, 06 Dec 2006 05:34:57 GMT

Amen to that Sara. It is sad to me that whenever something like this happens people are always so quick to blame or judge instead of just offering prayers and heartfelt well wishes to the families. This is NOT the time for that! I recognized James from the CNET program my husband watches on Tivo and I send my thoughts and prayers to the family and am keeping the faith. I also wanted to say it can't be easy for the people do the searching but to keep up the good work and keep the faith, you are good people :)

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jimmy, houston TX — Wed, 06 Dec 2006 06:08:07 GMT

There is always someone who looks at the decisions/judgements others have made and concludes "it was good judgement or bad judgement" like they could never have made that decision. How about being realistic - no one makes correct judgements 100% of the time - no one. The day will come when you (for a reason you will not be able to determine) will make a bad decision - I only hope your life doesn't depend on that mistake. P.S.: There is no such thing as common sense, because if it was, everybody would have it. I pray Mr. Kim is still among us.

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Philip S. Grants Pass, Oregon — Wed, 06 Dec 2006 06:24:47 GMT

As a resident of the immediate area of the search for the Kim family, I am impressed with the level of response of individuals and agencies who have assisted. One thing to keep in mind is numerous other souls have made the same mistake and gone up Bear Camp and other desolate roads in order to reach the coast. Some have died, only to be found weeks, even months later when the snow melted off. Numerous signs are posted from Interstate 5 all the way to Bear Camp warning the road is closed due in winter snows. One must ignore these in order to proceed. Perhaps our reliance on Web-based mapping sites that are inaccurate or not up-to-date gives us false security or boldness in the face of starkly clear warnings. We are thankful for the rescue of Mrs. Kim and her daughters and pray for the safe recovery of her husband.

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peggy jones kelowna B.C. Canada — Wed, 06 Dec 2006 06:43:24 GMT

please eveybody pray for James kim , his wife and children need him badly please pray to your god for his safe return

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Reggie, San Francisco, CA — Wed, 06 Dec 2006 06:45:27 GMT

Good judgment and gagdets are essential. It's true, he should have just turned back, but how many times would you have taken a short cut? You gotta understand he was probably driving for hours and did not want to turn back. In this case he should have. If you do plan on going on a road trip especially if it involves moutains, you should always be prepared. I've been keeping close to this story and I hope Mr. Kim is well. I'm just confused as to wonder that if they found his pants, what is he wearing now??

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Walt, Elko, Nevada — Wed, 06 Dec 2006 07:18:09 GMT

E911 is fantastic. I work on an ambulance in a rural part of Nevada state and have personally been involved in a search where the cell phone g.p.s. signal allowed a dispatcher to direct a helicopter to a patient which could not be found by ground crews. The patient was recreating off road with a motorcycle and crashed breaking her collar bone. We searched for half an hour before the helicopter pinpointed her location and rescued her.

Some worry that "big brother" is watching. I am sure this patient and the Kim family are happy that "big brother" enacted a wonderful piece of legislation which allowed her to be found.

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Jen — Wed, 06 Dec 2006 08:01:45 GMT

Ed and Charles- the Kims were going to a lodge on the Oregon coast and accidentally took a wrong turn. Not camping out in the wilderness. Sometimes you drive a while before you've even noticed you taken a wrong turn. As for the plowed road, I've driven on plenty of roads that were plowed, but still had snow on them. You're telling me you never drive in 'bad' conditions- pouring rain, extreme heat, etc.? I agree with K, rescue personnel are trained for a reason. Accidents happen- that's why they are called 'accidents'. You're condemning a man that is still missing. I pray for him and his family- K is right, have some compassion!

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Leland Joslin, Clinton Township, Michigan — Wed, 06 Dec 2006 09:15:46 GMT

When my son-in-law and daughter were living out west I worried about situations like this. Modern technology is seldom a match for natural forces. I encouraged them to carry emergency supplies, shovel,blankets, extra snacks like energy bars, and so forth. I can't count the number of times I had to dig out the truck when I worked for St. Andrews Abbey in Colorado. Snow fall can surpass 2 feet in a day, and the driveway was several miles long. God speed to rescue workers everywhere ,God bless America and keep her safe.

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sharon dale — Wed, 06 Dec 2006 09:18:08 GMT

I too travel very long distances frequently with my children. I try and be as prepared as possible for the conditions under which I am traveling. I have very poor directional sense and have gotten turned around several times myself. In unfamiliar territory, it's not hard to make a wrong turn and be going completely in the wrong direction. I feel so bad for the Kim family and hope that Mr. Kim is found safe and returned to his family. I also am wondering what he is now wearing if he doesn't have his pants.

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Joyce Cerutti, Anchorage, Alaska — Wed, 06 Dec 2006 09:24:57 GMT

Living in Alaska for the past 13 years has opened my eyes to this exact kind of incident that happens often. If people would just plan ahead and always carry water and food and blankets, emergency kit, etc. they would be better off. I wonder why they did not turn around and wonder now if Mr. Kim is pantsless if perhaps he is suffering from hypothermia. I pray for him and his family

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Robyn, Windhoek, Namibia — Wed, 06 Dec 2006 10:28:58 GMT

Lets pray that the Kim family find their daddy and husband, they need him. Just the thought of he went to look for help for his family and did not return is very sad.

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Jim Geiger------Grants Pass, Oregon — Wed, 06 Dec 2006 11:05:56 GMT

I hope they find him dead or alive, for the familys sake.........Hang in there James, we are coming for you!

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Cooleyish — Wed, 06 Dec 2006 11:20:01 GMT

If the cell phone is working and turned on, why not call for help? I am not clear why this isn't part of the story.

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hema — Wed, 06 Dec 2006 12:17:58 GMT

god will give strength to kim to save him. we will hear some good news tmoro - pls dont worry. hema /india

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DK Smith, Sisters, Oregon — Wed, 06 Dec 2006 12:26:01 GMT

I traveled this area (specifically South on I-5) on the Tuesday prior to Saturday (the day Kim's got stuck). The weather was progressively worsening the entire week. The precipitation prompted me to drive this portion of Oregon on Tuesday when temperatures were still above freezing at altitudes below 3500 feet. I traversed Santiam Pass in a snowstorm Tuesday. If staying on primary roads, driving was merely hazardous. However, using a road that is not a State Road, and instead, a forest service road, could result in the experience of facing an impassable situation (due to snow at the higher altitudes and the fact that the fire road is not plowed in winter). If one looks at a map such as this one:

http://maps.google.com/maps?f=q&hl=en&
q=agness,+Oregon&ie=UTF8&
om=1&z=9&ll=42.557127,-124.068604
&spn=1.217928,2.886658

you can see there are no state roads between state route 42 and state route 199? That is due to fact that the rugged terrain is served only by a fire road (23) through the middle of that region. I have read reports indicating this road narrows to one lane in some parts.

Let's pray James comes out of this experience alive and unhurt.

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Neil, Nottingham, Notts. England — Wed, 06 Dec 2006 12:42:37 GMT

I don't know but maybe at the point they realised they took a wrong turn it may not have been possible to turn around ? Perhaps the road was narrow and bordered by a ditch, trees or a dangerous drop ? It's too easy to judge people, we all make mistakes go easy on them. I don't pray to any gods but my thoughts will be with the family and keeping hope that the awful situation they are in right now is resolved without further incident.

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Ellen Falin, Binghamton New York — Wed, 06 Dec 2006 14:08:33 GMT

As a woman who does a lot of solo traveling in remote areas, I've been caught in emergency situations that happen very quickly. One minute you know where you are and the next, you don't. This has taught me: know alternate routes. If you make a navigational error, turn yourself around and go back to square one. Stay close to civilization. Keep your vehicle stocked with all the usual emergency gear.Keep your cell phone charged and programmed with phone numbers. ALWAYS ALWAYS ALWAYS let someone know your travel plans--route, ETD and ETA. My family and friends praise God for the girls' rescue and trust for James' safety. He is surely a brave, loving father and husband and you will see him again. God bless. EPF

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Joe Scigliano, Petaluma, Ca — Wed, 06 Dec 2006 14:15:02 GMT

I am not much of a praying man now, but last night on my walk (30 minutes) I prayed that he, the father, be found alive and well. I have friends in Myrtle Creek, Or. and have been up there in ORegon several times and all I could think of since the family got lost is the hope in my heart and wife's they be found. My best wishes be with the family. J

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Mike Waite — Wed, 06 Dec 2006 14:22:03 GMT

Indeed he should have turned around and he should have stayed with the car. Thats an easy one to judge from our stand point here and now. I can only imagine what it must have been like after a couple of days out there. The prospect of rescue must have been in doubt. They were cold, hungry and both the parents feared for their childrens lives. He did what I would have done as well. He had to act to ensure the survival of his family.

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Mike Sokol, Hagerstown, MD — Wed, 06 Dec 2006 14:35:21 GMT

I drove through that same area just before Thanksgiving, and then made a 3,000-mile return trip from Oregon to Maryland via SLC and Denver. A few weeks later for this business trip and I could have been stuck in the snow as well. I've noticed that Mapquest has a selection for "avoid seasonally closed roads" which I always check in winter. Also, while I'm not a camper, I have a duffle bag stuffed with a real sleeping bag, blanket, candles, waterproof matches, extra gloves, a ski mask, and a sweater. Plus I have a Rubbermaid box with plenty of MRE's, cheese-crackers, potted meat and water bottles. For the truck I have snow chains, a hand winch, multiple flashlights, roadside emergency triangles and road flares, plus a full tool kit and hydraulic jack. Since this latest incident I'm also adding a shovel, more space blankets, and a pair of "Jerry Cans" to carry an extra 10 gallons of diesel fuel. Oh, and I'll get a good hatchet as well so I can chop firewood if need be. I'll also consider adding a survival rifle locked into a floor safe if it appears legal in all the states. If I get stuck on a mountain somewhere, I'm not hiking out... I'll stay put and build a big fire, shoot some game, heat snow for water, and wait for a rescue. Since I always give my wife a copy of my proposed road map and call home a few times a day, at least there's someone that knows approximately where I am at all times.

In short, I know I'm paranoid, but I make this same cross-county drive solo at least a few times a year and have missed big snowfalls so many times I can't count. I know that sometime my luck will run out and I'll be in a blizzard. And while I try not to wander off of the main highways, silly things sometimes happen that you can't predict. One of the previous writer noted that your best tool is your brain, and I agree. I really didn't enjoy boy scouts all that much when I was a lad, but I remember all that camping stuff like it was yesterday. If you’re stuck, I think it's time to go into "boy scout mode" and build a camp, stay put, and figure out how to make a signal fire of sorts.

And no, I'm not a camper or a survivalist. I'm just a technology teacher who drives a lot.

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Vincent — Wed, 06 Dec 2006 14:39:08 GMT

Mr. Kim will be found...right now prayer and positive energy is what he needs the most...please take 3 seconds to say "I send all my positive energy today to James Kim"...and for those who don't belive in sending positive vibes, pray that James walks with Jesus out of the widerness and back on a road. Pray and stay positive, that's what we can all do.

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Ted, MAFB NJ — Wed, 06 Dec 2006 14:45:23 GMT

The best item to have is no item at all - it is knowledge of how to survive in any environment. Knowledge is cheap and you cannot be seperated from it. You do not have to keep it in your glove box - it is with you where ever you go. This guy appears to have some and with any luck at all he has built a shelter and intends to live the winter in the forest. We just need to find him before he gets his first buckskin shirt finished.

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Jamie, Florida — Wed, 06 Dec 2006 14:47:49 GMT

James is a very brave man to head out to the unknown t get help for his family, has for judging his decision, you never know what you would do until you have walked in his shoes. I pray for his safe return!

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SARa — Wed, 06 Dec 2006 15:02:36 GMT

PLB not EPIRB: Important Note

Two previous posters mentioned the use of emergency radio beacons or EPIRBs. It is very important to note that these are built and intended for MARINE use only. If you want to take advantage of this same satellite-locating technology for distress situations on LAND, you need a Personal Locator Beacon or PLB. For more information on PLBs in the United States, see the NOAA website at:

http://www.noaanews.noaa.gov/stories/s1168.htm.

It is great technology when used properly.

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ROSE, WENATCHEE, WASHINGTON. — Wed, 06 Dec 2006 15:13:52 GMT

I find it easy to sit at my computer and make judgements about, woulda, coulda, shoulda. But in real life I don't really know what I would do in that situation,I only know what I like to think I'd do and unfortunately I have found that I'm not always that person. So ease off on the blame and pray for a good outcome and for strength for his wife and family.

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Vic, Sioux City, Iowa — Wed, 06 Dec 2006 15:16:48 GMT

Hindsight is always 20-20 as we know. I'm sure Mr Kim was concerned and did what he thought was best at the time. I can only imagine how he felt and his thoughts for his family as he left to find help. Please pray for him and his family.

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Dee Shannon — Wed, 06 Dec 2006 15:28:43 GMT

The guy made a mistake. We all make them. His may be costly. I pray for him and his family. They seem to be nice people.

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Sue — Wed, 06 Dec 2006 15:55:33 GMT

This is horribly sad and we should just be praying for that unhappy family. Take a lesson from it and think about weather the next time you print out a map from google or msn or whoever-they are computer generated and are a free service, so their sophistication only goes so far. Fill your car and your kids' cars and your commuting relatives' cars with an emergency kit. Get that GPS phone. And then stop and think every time you get on the road in any weather.

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Jody, Odessa, FL — Wed, 06 Dec 2006 16:01:45 GMT

This is not the time for assigning blame? Why must we always judge things as right or wrong, good or bad, smart or dumb? It's time to come together and help a fellow human being. That's all.

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David, Mississippi — Wed, 06 Dec 2006 16:02:49 GMT

I hope that Kim turns up.

Yea, in MOST cases, staying with the vehicle is the best choice. Especially, if you have a cell phone. Unfortunately, Read what one of the people who live in the area said, sometimes they don't find the car until the snows melt.

The problem with the Privacy issue, isn't big brother, but the Wolf that tries to sneak in. What happens when a stalker, pays a System Cracker to find out where you are or your children are???

I prefer the Emergency broadcast, thus You activate it. Unfortunately, if you can't reach it, then nobody can find you.

Of course, in some countries, Big Brother is the problem.

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Will Dunlop, Aberdeen, NC — Wed, 06 Dec 2006 16:09:47 GMT

Charles has a very valid point. As a former SAR team member many of the rescues we were sent out for were easily preventable with a little bit of forethought. It is easy to become reliant on electronics to get us through but anything man made will enevitably fail. My point is though mistakes are made as we are all human some basic planning and forethought can keep a mistake from becoming a tragedy.

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Lauren, Woodland Park, Colorado — Wed, 06 Dec 2006 16:15:59 GMT

I use to work for the Forest Service in that area. Have traveled through the Rouge River Wilderness Area, and I am very concerned about Kim. Hopefully he had matches or some way to start a fire to keep warm, and also the area has a lot of edible plants if any of them are still visable. Let's hope and pray he has a little common sense left and has some knowledge of survival skills, as he's gonna need it in that remote area. There are a few isolated hunting and survival shacks in the area, and fish in the river... Good luck, our prayers are with you

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Staci W. — Wed, 06 Dec 2006 16:25:14 GMT

Please keep in mind that there are children involved and they may someday read this website. How would you feel if someone were putting down your father for risking his life to save yours? I live in the mountains in Virginia and have gotten stuck many times on my way home. This can even happen on roads you know well. When families are traveling they often follow Mapquest or AAA maps. These are not always correct and often send you out of your way. I have even gotten lost following the GPS in my cellphone. I pray that Mr. Kim is found and that his children can grow up with there father. I also commend Mrs. Kim for the fast thinking of breastfeeding both children. As a mother myself, I feel very sad for her and her family. I cannot begin to imagine how they feel at this moment. Just know that alot of people across the country are praying for you.

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Rob — Wed, 06 Dec 2006 16:31:03 GMT

Eric Fuqua from Edge Wireless is the real hero here, he took the time and effort to find that ping while hanging out at home over the weekend. Hardly anyone knows this, but that's how it happened, he's a friend of mine. He's not a member of search and rescue, just a guy that knew he could help.

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Tina, Edison, New Jersey — Wed, 06 Dec 2006 16:55:07 GMT

Don't say anything now. Just pray for Mr. Kim.

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Barbara, Eugene, Oregon — Wed, 06 Dec 2006 17:10:30 GMT

I'm hoping that as we all send out positive thoughts and wishes that the energy will find it's way to James Kim. Am sending prayers to him and his family. This is a sobering and unfortunate vehicle to rethink how one travels. I'll be making my car more survival ready and be more mindful of road conditions and travel plans. Barbara, Oregon

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Alan Boyle — Wed, 06 Dec 2006 17:11:18 GMT

Cooleyish, the issue was that the cell phone coverage in the mountains is very spotty... That cell phone tower near Glendale was able to connect for only a brief time while the family was driving. I've found a similar situation several times while driving in rural areas (e.g. Central Washington, Yellowstone, etc.). The Kims were out of cell phone range when they had the trouble. Sorry if I didn't make that fully clear in the original item.

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eoj gnilwod, mobile, al. — Wed, 06 Dec 2006 17:27:06 GMT

It's easy to second guess, I agree with the lady from Edison NJ and just hope the guy makes it out ok.

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Audrey M — Wed, 06 Dec 2006 17:45:44 GMT

Lord,with hope in our hearts, and prayers on our lips, we ask you to take complete control of this rescue operation of James Kim. Lord that you lead the rescurer to where he is or Lord lead him to them.
Lord, keep hope in the hearts of his wife and children that his husband, father, and friend be found well and that he will resume his life with his family. Lord I pray that James Kim knows you as his personal savior and that he is trusting in you at this time. Lord bless everyone that is praying for this young man. In the name of Jesus I ask it. Amen.

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Mark, Concord, Ca — Wed, 06 Dec 2006 18:14:36 GMT

As a current SAR team member, the most important message I can give is this:
1 oz prevention = 1 lb of cure.
Everyone will eventually get lost.
A lot of misery could have been avoided with only a little forethought. Mike Sokol (prev message) has a survivalist in him, I think. We should all be that prepared, but at minumum, keep some emergency blankets, water, MRE's (meal-ready-to-eat, for those of us that don't know all the abbreviations) or some sort of food that isn't likely to spoil, a flashlight and some matches. You can also use things like your cd's as a signal mirror, which can be seen a loooooong way off (by airplanes & choppers), or in the case of Mrs. Kim, an umbrella or burning tires (not recommended in Ca!) as a distress signal. And keep some extra clothes in the car. And for your own safety, STAY WITH THE CAR! It's your best form of shelter in that kind of situation. We teach our kids to hug a tree when they get lost. The same goes for adults.

Hopefully people will see this and get the message.

I hope that Mr. Kim will be found safely, with all my heart, and good luck to the searchers.

p.s. Eric Fuqua, I've never met you, but you are the man!

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Charles Allen, WIlmington, DE — Wed, 06 Dec 2006 18:40:20 GMT

I'm sending some energy to Sara with the hope that she can channel some of it to where it is needed.

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Alan Sheets, Loveland CO — Wed, 06 Dec 2006 18:44:29 GMT

In addition to Cathy T's suggestion, I might suggest also that if you miss your turnoff to a major interstate going over the mountains in the winter, don't use a barely marked, unplowed, dirt road as an alternative. I swear, this happens at least once a year.

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Wade Whitlock, Aberdeen, MD — Wed, 06 Dec 2006 19:09:51 GMT

I volunteered in Ground Search And Rescue (G-SAR) with the Civil Air Patrol for 12 years. I have been called out for searches for missing people, missing aircraft. Those mountains will be tough and someone may well get hurt. The funny thing is that people who do this kind of thing will just keep on doing it - and count the cost later!

The gray stuff between your ears is the best survival tool you have - especially if used before the survival situation occurs. Mr. Kim made his decisions all along the way. Nature has no pity for wrong ones. But experience shows that planning, foresight, intelligence and imagination trump prayer and wishful thinking every time. I wish him luck, but leaving the car in blue jeans, in those conditions, may prove fatal.

Suggestions:
1. Let people know when you depart, what your route will be (and stick to it!) and when you expect to arrive. Pilots who file flight plans tend to survive unscheduled landings better than those who don't simply because the search starts sooner and with better information.
2. Carry an appropriate survival kit - clothing (wool, not cotton!), Space Blankets, smoke flares, fuel tablets, ... depending on the potential weather and geography. What's good in Oregon in winter may not be the best in the Sonoran desert in summer.
3. Stay with the vehicle! Generally, much easier to spot a car or a downed plane than a lone person.

Electronic location devices such as EPIRBS can be great, but in mountains they can be tricky, unless you are on a mountain top vs a valley bottom. Radio waves can do some marvelous things! They can also be triggered unintentionally, resulting in unhappy SAR people knocking on your door at 4 AM!

As R. Heinlein put it: "It's earlier when you think!"

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Lilongwe — Wed, 06 Dec 2006 19:20:45 GMT

I grew up without my father and still remember how my mom struggled to raise us up. I pray that Mr Kim will be found and bring back joy to his wife and kids. Nicodemus - MW

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Debe Birmingham, AL — Wed, 06 Dec 2006 19:23:54 GMT

Knowledge of survival,reading the road signs,unaware of the cell phone coverage in the area,etc - they did what they thought was best at the time - I agree hind sight is 20/20, but that is just what it is - hindsight. Eric from Edge Wireless is truly a blessing for the Kim family. My thoughts are with and for the entire family

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Don, Chesapeake Va — Wed, 06 Dec 2006 20:15:24 GMT

The man has done what he felt was the right thing for his family. I hope for his safe return for the families sake, but also for his. Think how terrible it would be laying in the snow and thinking that you have failed your children. Stop chastising his decision to hike and put yourself in his shoes. Right or wrong I'm pretty sure I would have done the same for my family.

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AA, San jose — Wed, 06 Dec 2006 20:18:20 GMT

Jimmie, common sense refers to having sense or knowledge about the common things in life not the fact that it is common to everyone because as you pointed out, not everyone does. I am keeping the Kim family in my prayers.

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Linda Mattox, Spokane, Wash — Wed, 06 Dec 2006 20:19:00 GMT

The extensive list of emergency gear as blogged by Mike Sokol is great. But I would add WOOL socks, WOOL sweater,WOOL pants,and pullover cap to that list since wool keep you warm even when wet. A couple other items would be floresent plastic tape to mark your trail on the trees and a fist sized backpacking stove full of fuel to help start a fire and boil hot water. I think that Kim did a greatjob of working with their limited resources at the car for days, but I think in desperate situations you have to take desperate measures even if your chances are slim. If Eric with Edge Wireless hadn't traced that single ping from all of the others out there and gave the searchers a limited area to start looking, they wouldn't have found the wife and kids until the spring. City folks don't realize that there are many rural and mountainous areas of the country that have spotty or no cell phone reception. Yet even those of us that hunt and grew up in rural areas, don't think that we could end up stranded in that kind of situation on a highway trip to visit the relatives. I agree that the searchers finding his pants is a very bad sign --- and he probably had hypothermia and was not rational at that point. Kim's only hope is that he found good shelter and got a fire going. When it's bone chilling cold and your clothes are soaked in the first hour of hiking through the snow you are in serious trouble. The sun sets early and goes down quickly in the winter and the temperates fall quickly too. If you lose the road (it's pitch dark in the country if there is no moon)and you get further lost in a forest full of deep ravines and steep cliffs, and deeper snow then you will probably not make it.

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Jackie — Wed, 06 Dec 2006 20:25:24 GMT

To Mike Sokol - with your travel history, you also need camping pot(s) and mess kit, survival knife, a one good sharp stainless steel knife, a backup knife, and a small fishing kit (a few each of lines, hooks, bobbers, and sinkers - you can cut a "pole" on site).

If you have room, since you travel in remote areas, a small dome tent and ground tarp beat the bare ground in a blizzard, and a collapsible bucket for snow melting is handy. (I'm not so young as I was - I now have a vacuum-packed "egg crate" foam layer in the trunk for insulating comfort - lightweight and fairly small.)

ALWAYS keep a pair of dry socks handy in wet winter weather.

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Stephanie, Canada — Wed, 06 Dec 2006 20:35:07 GMT

What I find really scary is one of the signs of advanced hypothermia is thinking that you're hot and removing clothing. Lots of people who die in the elements are found sans some sort of clothing if not all of it. God be with the all members of the Kim family.

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Anna, San Luis Obispo, CA — Wed, 06 Dec 2006 20:50:40 GMT

Let us all join in thought, sending light and love and prayers, knowing that in God/Spirit/Eternal Presence all things are possible. May the searchers be filled with extra powers of discernment today and all days. Let us see, in our minds, James coming home safe and sound, that the Kim family may be reunited.

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clee525 — Wed, 06 Dec 2006 20:58:10 GMT

My heart goes out to James Kim's family. He did what most loving fathers would do -- he tried to get help. A very sad story.

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Tim Schrock, Lebanon, IN — Wed, 06 Dec 2006 21:00:56 GMT

Does the cell phone plan have to have GPS service? I was lost in the middle of nowhere in OK, and my provider said I could activate the GPS service (for a fee) and it could take up to 24 hours to activate. Fortunately for me, it wasn't inclement weather, and a local drove by shortly after.

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Mark, Concord, Ca — Wed, 06 Dec 2006 21:02:24 GMT

My condolences to the Kim family. Your loss will be tough, but you will survive.

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A, IA — Wed, 06 Dec 2006 21:06:38 GMT

He was wearing a pair of pants on top of the jeans that he wore. Smart man.

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NERY LAM LONGMONT COLORADO — Wed, 06 Dec 2006 21:19:20 GMT

I WANT TO SAY, PLEASE START PRAYING FOR MR:KIM AND HIS FAMILY, I PLACE SOME CANDLES ,AND PRAYING TO GOD TO PROTECT HIM AS HI PROTECT HIS SON JESUS, KEEP HIM WARM AND A LIFE I BEEN READING ALL THE COMMENTS FROM THIS MONDAY WENT I NEW ABOUT THIS , MY MOM AND I BEEN PRAYING ANIMO FOR THE KIM FAMILY, GOD IS WE YOU

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Dale Atwater Minn — Wed, 06 Dec 2006 21:20:17 GMT

The last time I made a trip out west was right after Christmas 1978. My Dad and I were in Colorado, Wyoming, South Dakota, and Minnesota. Snow, ice, wind and so forth. Haven't made a trip out west in the winter since. A very dangerous place to travel. My prayers are with these folks. Dale

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Arletta, Portland, OR — Wed, 06 Dec 2006 21:26:22 GMT

I work for AAA Oregon/Idaho and I want to advise everyone out there of a service we provide to everyone, not just our members that could have help the Kim family. If you're lost, call us and we'll find you the best route. We have some of the best mapping software around and we're very knowledgeable of the area. There's no charge and like I said, you don't have to actually have AAA for us to assist you in finding the safest route. We're available 24 hours a day. Our number is easy to remember, 1-800-AAA-HELP (1-800-222-4357). Please keep that in mind if you find yourself in a situation such as this.

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Mike E — Wed, 06 Dec 2006 21:26:59 GMT

Never, never get into a vehicle in any weather (particularly winter/summer) expecting that the vehicle will always get you there 100% of the time. Keep tank full, dress to be able to work outside (flat tire could take 1.5 hours when you are cold/numb). Better to have to take off a few layers that have no extra clothing in the car. Keep matches in glovebox & a flashlight always. I feel sorry for that family that no longer has a father.

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dave little Blue Springs Mo. — Wed, 06 Dec 2006 21:27:51 GMT

As a salesman at a Saturn dealership, this gives great credence to why every vehicle should have "OnStar." If the vehicle had had "OnStar" (which is sattellite based) they could have had immediate help.

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CHERYL ROBERTI CRANSTON RHODE ISLAND — Wed, 06 Dec 2006 21:45:52 GMT

MY HEART GOES OUT TO THE KIM FAMILY GOD KNOWS HOW MRS. KIM KEPT HER SANITY WITH 2 SMALL CHILDREN ALONE IN A COLD DARK CAR WITH NO FOOD AND WORRYING ABOUT HER BELOVED HUSBAND MY PRAYERS ARE WITH HER AND HER TWO CHILDREN. HER HUSBAND WAS A HERO TO LEAVE THEM BEHIND TO FIND HELP GOD REST HIS SOUL.

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Nicole, Grants Pass, Oregon — Wed, 06 Dec 2006 21:46:54 GMT

I live in Grants Pass, and at least once a year we have a search for someone who has tried to use Bear Camp road during the winter, only to get stuck in the snow. Sometimes we find them alive, sometimes we don't. I drive the lower portion of that road frequently and it is repeatedly and clearly posted that it is closed further up, due to snow. What they need to do is put up a gate so that people quit trying to make it through when it's not passable.

We just got the news that they have found Mr Kim, and he is NOT alive. I feel awful for his family.

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Alan Boyle — Wed, 06 Dec 2006 21:52:38 GMT

Relating to "OnStar" ... I'm pretty sure it would not have helped in this case. The CNet story makes clear that although OnStar gets its GPS location information from the satellite system, the help call is made via the cell phone network - and the Kims were stuck in an area without cell service. Nevertheless, OnStar is definitely a big plus for road emergencies, and I appreciate the mention.

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Harry, Monroe, OR — Wed, 06 Dec 2006 21:54:16 GMT

I grew up on the south coast of Oregon (on Hwy 42 to be exact) and know the rigors of traveling some of those roads. I'm sorry Mr. Kim lost his life. My prayers go out to his family in this time or mourning. He is the second person I know that has perished on Bear Camp Road in the recent past being stuck in snow. A sales rep coming from Gold Beach east died after waiting for 6 weeks in his camper for rescue in the 1990's. If Mr.Kim knew about that story, I can understand his desire to hike out for help. The problem is traveling at times of limited visibilty (darkness, snow, fog, heavy foilage, etc.) - that there are many cliffs, drop offs, and other hazards that hamper safe travel.

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Tamarra~ Portage Wisconsin — Wed, 06 Dec 2006 21:54:28 GMT

My thoughts and prayers are with the entire Kim family. Losing a father, and a husband is something I can't even begin to imagine having a 2 year old daughter myself. I agree, Eric from Edge Wireless is most definately a blessing in finding the mom and children. No matter what should have happened, or what people think they would have done. They need to remember that Mr. Kim bravely died trying to save his family-showing that he would and did risk his own life in the hope that his family would be safe. God Bless the entire family.

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lila grants pass oregon 97527 — Wed, 06 Dec 2006 22:03:47 GMT

I also live in grants pass oregon. Tha roads here are not that safe especially in the winter. My heart goes out to the family. I sat night and day praying for there safe return. I send my love.

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Dawn Treadway — Wed, 06 Dec 2006 22:09:07 GMT

My deepest sympathy is wth the family and friends of the Kim's. You are never alone if you know Jesus. In life this is truly your most important decision. I would like to see a Foundation set up to show the support the entire nation fills at this time. Dawn NC

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Bruce ~ Calhoun Georgia — Wed, 06 Dec 2006 22:17:46 GMT

Let me say this. God bless a man who is willing to lay down his life for his family. Regardless of the outcome, this loving father gave his life doing the only thing he could think of ( FINDING HELP ). All you who toss the ( well he should have done this and should have had these ) can just shut up. Ask yourself what you would have done if you were in his place. I'll tell you what i would " I would do anything possible to try to get my family out of there. No matter what the COST!! God bless you Mrs. Kim and Family.

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Jeanine, Los Angeles — Wed, 06 Dec 2006 22:19:50 GMT

My heart goes out to this family. I was so very shocked and saddened to hear that he was not found alive. You are in my prayers...

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Susie ~ York, PA — Wed, 06 Dec 2006 22:25:31 GMT

I was so sorry to hear Mr. Kim did not make it, I have been praying for the whole family and will continue to do so.

Unfortunately, it sometimes takes a tragedy such as this to teach us something. People will think twice now before taking shortcuts (especially with children) and will hopefully leave for trips better prepared in case they get stranded. Mr. Kim's death might save many lives this winter... maybe even one of you "know it all's" who were so quick to judge him.

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Dru Parker, San Rafael, CA — Wed, 06 Dec 2006 22:30:19 GMT

What an awful tragedy to befall a young family on a vacation. My heart goes out to Mrs. Kim and her small children. I travel in the Sierras often and know how quickly the weather can change the topography of the land even when it is familiar. I have OnStar in my vehicle, and Alan, I have always been under the impression (mis-impression?) that even though the initial call made by the driver is cell-based, if a search were later initiated for a vehicle equipped with OnStar that the satellite could find it. That's how they can find stolen vehicles. I got a vehicle with OnStar soley for this reason... in the event I were lost in an area without cell service my family could contact OnStar.

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Bryant, San Jose, CA — Wed, 06 Dec 2006 22:35:16 GMT

It's too bad this situation ended in tragedy. I've been talking to a coworker about this who spends a great deal of time solo in the Sierras. He has been stranded a few times, and his tactic is to stay with the vehicle until first light, then hike back down the road until he finds help. With the full moon of the last few days it would have been possible to move at night also. It's hard to imagine why someone would go cross country in snow rather than walk down the road they came up, but then I wasn't there during their ordeal. My thought and prayers are with the family.

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M, Fresno, California — Wed, 06 Dec 2006 22:37:20 GMT

I prayed so hard that Mr. Kim would be found alive. I'm really saddened by his death and by the fact that his family now must go on without him. I hope that we all can pull together now and give his family the support that they need, right now when they need it most. My deepest condolences to the Kim family for their devastating loss, and I wish them the best of luck in rebuilding their lives after this tragedy.

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Josey Asprey, Chatham, ON, Canada — Wed, 06 Dec 2006 22:39:06 GMT

It is most unfortunate that Jim Kim did not make it. My heart goes out to his wife and two small children. Jim was only trying to help his family survive the ordeal. He acted as most any father would to save his family. I may have done the same thing as he, live or die. It hurts that I have read some critical comments from some uncompassionate persons who missed the real issue here. I pray that you NEVER find yourself in such a situation. I just came down from the mountains, where I lived most of my life. And I can say that even with my vast survival instincts I too have been lost in the dead of winter. So don't ever think that it will never happen to you.

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Stephanie ~ Andrews, North Carolina — Wed, 06 Dec 2006 22:43:00 GMT

My heart goes out to Mrs. Kim and her children. Being a mother of young children myself I cannot imagine trying to explain to my children that their father died trying to save the rest of them. As far as placing blame, I'm sure all of us have been in situations that we realize afterwards we could have done things much differently. Mrs. Kim probably feels bad enough that her children and husband have had to go through all of this just by making a wrong turn, everyone have a heart and show some compassion. My prayers are with Mrs. Kim as she and her children try to go on with their lives. God bless you!

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Anne, Dearborn, Michigan — Wed, 06 Dec 2006 22:48:41 GMT

My heart goes out to the Kim family. I pray that with time & support Kati & the girls will be able to stand tall & proud that their husband & father did what he thought was in their best interest - wool socks or no wool socks. Kati, you are in my prayers - may your nights be filled with warm comfort & love that I know James must have had for you.

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Sammi, Huntersville NC — Wed, 06 Dec 2006 22:50:40 GMT

Audrey. That prayer was beautiful. I am so sorry to the Kim family and friends. Im sorry to hear the Lord could not help him at this time. But I thank all who prayed. Lord, bless this family. Everyone, trust in God. He is your way out. Pray for others and love life while you have it.

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Michelle — Wed, 06 Dec 2006 22:54:51 GMT

It is sad that Mr. Kim didn't make it, but at least they found him. That brings some kind of closure to this. Most everyone who has written has stress how important it is to stay with your vehicle and have emergency provisions. You can talk the talk, but what's in your trunk right now? Are you really prepared? Pray for the Kim family. Mr. Kim died a hero..........

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A. Hodge — Wed, 06 Dec 2006 22:57:19 GMT

I'm impressed by the "humanity" of many of the comments --of course, there's always the "I know better than anyone else what HE SHOULD HAVE DONE=Thanks for all the really practical tips on the supplies that should be in everybodies car trunk-even me who goes to Denver once or twice a week==at my age-which is 72+ i see lots of "sidelined" cars in the median===and I think you are really "out of touch" by not having some sort of cell phone to ask for help.I feel grief for the Kim family-hopefully the love and compassion sent from all the respondents will be of some comfort and hope for them and others.

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sal, Concord MA — Wed, 06 Dec 2006 23:06:00 GMT

Sincere sympathy to the family, gratitude and respect to the rescuers who helped or tried to, and thanks to people who shared their knowledge about how to prevent future tragedies.

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rsh — Wed, 06 Dec 2006 23:35:14 GMT

this story is heart breaking although i am 13 the tragic touch my heart with it soughts

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Casey M. Portland, Oregon — Wed, 06 Dec 2006 23:40:46 GMT

I would like to extend the warmest non-denominational, non-religious condolences from me and my family. we are saddened by your loss and wish your family the best of luck regardless of creed.

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Robert Chau — Wed, 06 Dec 2006 23:42:37 GMT

my deepest condolences to Kim family , at this moment of pain is easy to say they should have done this or the other , put yourselves in the same situation ..i assume we could have done even worse ... God Bless

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A Servant, Carlsbad, CA — Wed, 06 Dec 2006 23:51:35 GMT

It is written that a man reaps what he sows. So true, for all of us, universally, equally with no favoritism, every day while we are here. It's a fact, a promise, and it cuts both ways - good and bad. Whoever sows sparingly will reap sparingly, and whoever sows generously will also reap generously. The one who sows to please himself and his selfish nature, from that nature will reap destruction; we are even told that the one who sows to please the Spirit from the Spirit will reap eternal life. Including everyone here who has posted messages of hope, love and prayers. And just as true for everyone who has posted messages of criticism, judgement and insensitivity...

It is also written that we should not judge, lest we are judged ourselves by the same measure. Who amongst us has never made a mistake? An error in judgement? A bad decision? Who amongst us has never been too tired, too anxious, too stressed, too late, too impatient, too scared or worried, crying kids in the back of the car, whatever the circumstance, that we have chosen to compromise in our own judgement and made decisions we later regretted? We are - ALL of us - imperfect. By our very nature. And we exhibit it every day.

It's not important what decision was made that day. It's not even important now that the decision was made to strike out and seek help for his family. James Kim is gone now, and the ONLY thing that is important, is how we are in it; how we "show up" in this. Will we reach out beyond ourselves, for someone else besides ourselves for a change, and be loving, compassionate, gracious and merciful for him and his poor family, or will we stay within ourselves, continuing to focus on being right, being darned right and being absolutely darned right (and other manifestations of "self")?

Blessed are those who mourn, for they will be comforted. Blessed are the merciful, those who have compassion, grace and understanding for others, for they will be shown mercy.

Let's not become weary in extending these towards others who need it like the Kims, for at the proper time we will reap a harvest if we do not give up. Therefore, as we have opportunity, let's do good, and give love, compassion, grace and understanding to all people. Especially the Kims.

God Bless you, Kims.

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MB, Portland, Oregon — Wed, 06 Dec 2006 23:59:14 GMT

Im saddend to hear the news of James Kim's death. My thoughts and prayers are with the Kim family. I find it ignorant to blame a man for his own death when he was trying to save the lives of his family. I understand the need to stay in the car because it would at least keep the wind at bay, but until someone is in that situation, how can you judge/blame a man for his actions? We've all made mistakes...if you haven't please let me know your secret. Although it's terrible that two children lost their father and a wife lost her husband, my heart is glad to know that at least three of the family survived.

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Jen C, Van Nuys, CA — Thu, 07 Dec 2006 01:01:37 GMT

I hope all these warm wishes will comfort the Kims. It's very sad, and scary - it could happen to anyone really. I think Mr. Kim was very very brave. I'm not sure what I would have done, but there were a lot of helpful tips in this blog. I liked the comments of Wade Whitlock, Arletta, Mike Sokol and Nicole, Josey Asprey, A. Hodge, A. Servant and Casey M. And a lot of other ones. It's good to see how many people care about this family and want to say some helpful hopeful things. Right on. Hang in there Kim family, you are brave too. So brave.

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E. Crocfer, Albuquerque, NM — Thu, 07 Dec 2006 01:19:26 GMT

God bless the Kims. Kati, I am so sorry for your loss -- I am so glad you and the girls were found. E. from Albuquerque.

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~Me, Northern CA. — Thu, 07 Dec 2006 01:23:13 GMT

There, but by the Grace of God, go I.

Cell phones with GPS and E911 and bells and whistles are great, but if not for that one man, who like my husband does for his company, was sitting at home and, I believe, by Grace, found the text message "ping". He did this of his own accord, no one paid him to do it, no one told him to. He simply did what he knew he could do to help. I firmly believe Mr. Kim acted in the same way. He did what he felt he should do. Mrs. Kim, to you and your children I say DO! Do STAND PROUD! Even in your time of loss and pain, whenever anyone asks or comments or you happen to overhear something, don't walk silently away as if you have something to be ashamed of. Stand Proud and say YES! James IS gone but he did what he did for us! AND WE ARE PROUD OF HIM!

Funny how you would never see a blog like this about a soldier who took a wrong turn, was captured by the enemy only to be saved later, injured BUT ALIVE. Gee I think we gave her a medal didn't we? I say that James Kim is deserving of the highest medal we can give him, OUR RESPECT and HONOR! Our LOVE for him and his family is the best way we can pay our respects to him, an everyday angel, who is now gone.

~A~

PS: And a small comment on GPS phones and all the stuff people have mentioned. I'm Allergic to Wool, raised in a rural area, lived in the Arctic (Yep, Yep Fort Richardson, Alaska) and I own an E911, GPS tracking phone. Yet when I was kidnapped, IN PLAIN SIGHT/BROAD-DAYLIGHT, from a MAJOR INTERNATIONAL AIRPORT, the police said I was in an IHOP some 2 hours away from where I really was. (Wry grin) Too many Towers, too many repeaters picked up my GPS signal even as I tried to call for help, until the kidnappers realized what I was doing and turned the phone off. I made it out of my "valley of darkness." James Kim did not. For that I am supremely saddened, but I am also supremely proud of what Mr. Kim tried to do. I pray no one will ever have to make the choices he had to make the day he got out of the car. Unfortunately, those who forget history, are doomed to repeat it. Enough from me. I hope and pray you will all remember Mr. Kim forever. Now go hug someone will ya? =)

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Peter Anderson, Phoenix, AZ — Thu, 07 Dec 2006 01:30:26 GMT

This is bad news. No, more than that, it's sad news. Removing his pants was a sign he had lost touch with reality due to the extreme condtions causing him to go into hypothermia. It doesn't take much if you're cold and wet. Some of us who do go into the backcountry know about always staying with the vehicle, carrying the 10-plus essentials for survival, having a shovel, back-up batteries, etc., etc., etc., but these folks weren't from that neck of the woods, nor that mindset. Being pure urbanites, they relied on what they knew, as anyone would. You know he wouldn't have done what he did if he knew better, just like every other caring person. Too bad it wasn't enough. And I don't mean this in a negative way. Most of the local residents surely know better. But those of you who are local and may have been critical, ask yourselves how you might do in a foreign environment, like where we live in the Arizona desert. It's a lot of same rules, but there are also a place-specific ones that deal with a wilderness 18o degrees different than Oregon's. Sometimes, the difference between life and death is knowledge, sometimes it's pure luck, but for most people, it falls in that fuzzy grey area in-between. "There but for the grace of God go I." Peace to the family. They must never forget that their husband, father, son, died a hero.

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tracie — Thu, 07 Dec 2006 01:35:09 GMT

My prayers are with them all!!! remember "judge not least you be judged".... this family was there for 9 days... he didn't think anyone was coming, he was trying to save his family before they ALL died. God bless this man for having the courage to save his family!! Others, take note!! Also, people say there were signs... could you see them through the snow??

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Liane Mehrmann/Hawaii — Thu, 07 Dec 2006 01:43:09 GMT

My deepest condolences to the Kim family and CNET family. His children will grow up to know that both his parents were willing to sacrifice their lives for them. Their mother went without food/water, while giving them breastmilk and their father looking for help. No one should judge Mr. Kim's, especially while you are seated in a warm atmosphere drinking your coffee and eating your fourth meal of the day knowing your family is safe.

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Ruth H. Merced, Calif. — Thu, 07 Dec 2006 01:46:49 GMT

My greatest sympathy to this family.

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Cheryl King, Lexington, MA — Thu, 07 Dec 2006 01:47:37 GMT

James Kim is a very brave man who risked everything to save his family. I would have done the same thing in his situation. He waited as long as he could and had no other choice. God bless him.

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Ivan Seligman — Thu, 07 Dec 2006 02:03:01 GMT

James Kim ventured bravely into an unfamiliar environment with only one idea in mind--to get help for his family. He did his best with his limited knowledge of the area, got hypothermia, and sadly died before he reached help- He died a hero's death. I have only respect for him and his sacrifice. As a result of his death, many will will now be far more aware of what measures to take before going into an unfamiliar environment. If you even thought for a second about additional safety measures you would take before venturing out, then Jim's death touched you and may have contributed to your future safety in a way he could not have done so in his brief life.Let's say a little prayer for his unselfish death, his family, and for his lessons to us all.

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R. Brown — Thu, 07 Dec 2006 02:22:07 GMT

My wife worries about me when I travel and camp out in some of the most isolated areas of the northwest. The only assurance I can give her is I am usually over prepared. Being in this families' situation was avoidable. The road signs are numerous in this area telling all of the risks involved. The "common sense" spoken of by many would have prevented this predictable tragedy. When I heard Mr. Kim had left the car and wasnt on the road, I was saddened because that country is brutally steep and cold and his odds of survival were low. We all must be reminded by this event that "civilization" can be trumped by nature anytime we venture away from our fabricated environments. The loss to this family is regretted and the best of wishes go out the these fortunate survivors.

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~Me, Northern CA. — Thu, 07 Dec 2006 02:32:03 GMT

Thank you Peter. All very good points and you just made me remember an Easter I spent back home with my 4-year old daughter. I grew up knowing all the signs of a tornado and found myself trying to decide, while driving back from my cousins house, if I should pull into one of the houses I saw and hope they had a basement or tornado shelter AND would hear me or should I keep going on. I chose to go on. I knew it was a Tornado storm and my daughter was scared. I knew there was no OZ to go to if it hit us and all the signs said it was a big one. We made it home safely and into the basement to hugs and kisses from the family there and chiding remarks about pulling over when the lights went out and the genny kicked on. I wasn't outrunning a single Tornado But 1 level 3 and 2 level 4 (5 being the highest) Tornadoes that cut a path of destruction through Tennessee, Kentucky and Ohio before finally petering out. I was about 10 minutes ahead of two of them and my cousin told me the next day she was so glad to hear I had made it home and didn't stop. She had just driven up through the same area and said it was a "train wreck of a mess" the whole way. The entire city was without power for a week, several familes died, some in places I might have stopped in. My Point? I now live in Northern CA and the rules are different here. Sure there was a Tornado that touched down for a whole 5 seconds on a Marine Base in Southern CA. but now I live with earthquakes in mind. And with the current events, since I live in a "Major Target Area" I also prepare for terrorists. What it all boils down to is like I said before and Peter made even clearer, Mr. James Kim, any and all flaws aside, is a hero. That's what I mean by an everyday Angel. May he rest in peace and serenity knowing he did what he thought was right. Oh, and I just viewed some of the news footage... Turns out he DID have on wool socks. Make you think?
~A~

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W. Adams, Marana, Arizona — Thu, 07 Dec 2006 02:38:12 GMT

To Mrs. KIm: It was obvious that you and your husband used all of your talents to solve the critical problem of survival. My message is to move as soon as possible to a situation that would give comfort and peace. Oregon is a very sweet place that I have sucessfuly recommended before.

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LSK, Chicago, Il — Thu, 07 Dec 2006 02:41:57 GMT

Man wishes, God Disposes, James was a very brave man, our heartfelt condolences to the family, May God Be with the family forever and always.

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a parker, lakeview, oregon — Thu, 07 Dec 2006 02:44:15 GMT

A sharp prunning saw is much more efficient than a hatchet. God Bless His Soul and all of you that have responded in Love and Concern. This is why America is so great. We really do care about one another. May we all learn from this, one has to become aware. When I watch the local people of Hawaii play in their ocean I realize they know far more and understand more than I can ever learn. The same applies to the urban and the wilderness. That old scout motto: Be Prepared is time tested and true. I will never forget exiting a road on the Navajo Reservation after plowing snow with the front bumper for many miles only to find out that the road was closed. I did have matches, candles, shovel in the trunk of the Cadillac. No matter, I drive a 4 wheel drive pickup all of the time but vacation in the wife's car. It too is prepared, never enough but some. God be with you all. I am a southeastern Oregon resident, an area even more wild, vacant and subject to weather predicaments.

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nancy leftrook aldergrove bc. canada — Thu, 07 Dec 2006 03:05:27 GMT

My heart goes out to the Kim family and also my prayers ,for his Family. I'm so thankfull that his wife and daughters are now safe. I'm sure he went through great torment and worry for his family. This could happen to any of us so we must pray for his family and for James n leftrook bc canada

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MR. SANDERS Durham N.C — Thu, 07 Dec 2006 03:05:49 GMT

MAY GOD FOR EVER BLESS MR.KIM WIFE AND CHILDREN I NO IT HAS TO BE VERY HEARD FOR THEM

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P. Sharkey, Pistol River, OR — Thu, 07 Dec 2006 03:05:57 GMT

I find the most tragic aspect of all of this is that the Kim family was not reported missing for the first 7 days of their disappearance. A missing persons report was finally filed by their San Francisco housesitter, of all (good) people. I think that is a sad postscript to this utterly heart wrenching incident.

When I travel, my wife knows that I will check in with her I arrive safely. When she and I travel by car around the northwest as we frequently do, our parents and friends know what we are doing, and we always have at least one person waiting for confirmation of our safe arrival. I am 47 years old, but I still sometimes let my mom and dad know what time I expect to check in with them when I reach my destination safely.

I live near Gold beach, and have taken the Galice road; once ten years ago, during the summer under perfect conditions. I was surprised that for such a rugged trail it was so well marked on my official Oregon State Highway map. It may save a life in the future if we somehow make that road less visible on our maps.

I wish the Kim family my condolences and best wishes.

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Moses, Bellevue, WA — Thu, 07 Dec 2006 03:06:30 GMT

Great suggestion, Nicole. Finally put up a gate after all the warnings- we all make life threatening mistakes, without exception. Kim was a brave man and loving husband. Many of us would probably would have done the same in the circumstances for their beloved family. Lord, bless his brave wife and kids.

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Ana, Lakewood, Colorado — Thu, 07 Dec 2006 03:15:11 GMT

May a star shine brighter as his daughters look upon the nightly stars and know their father watches over them so adoringly. My heart is sadden by this tragedy, but my wishes are sent to his daughters and wife that they may find strength to walk this path of life. May a star always shine brightly upon this newly formed path, may you know in your heart your father and husband looks gracefully upon you three.

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nini reynante, san jose, california — Thu, 07 Dec 2006 03:18:53 GMT

i wonder how many men or daddys in the family would do the same like Mr. Kim did.

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Kevin Kessler, Austin, Texas — Thu, 07 Dec 2006 03:26:40 GMT

Does anyone know what the wording is on the warning signs for Bear Camp road? From what I've read, the signs state the road is closed during the WINTER. As a southerner, winter to me is Chrstmas, January, and February, and since technically winter doesn't start until Dec. 22, I could very easily see how the Kims could think they might still have a little time to drive that route. To southerners and coastal Californians, winter means one thing; To folks who live in the northern high country, winter means something else. Maybe if they equipped the signs with a flashing light that says "Highway closed for the winter when light flashing" there would be less room for misunderstanding?

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Peter Anderson, Phoenix, AZ — Thu, 07 Dec 2006 03:29:21 GMT

Bravo! Yes! Be proactive in the name of Mr. Kim. Put up gates. We do that in AZ to try and stop people going through washes that are running with water that is swift enough to take down earth-moving equipment. I've seen this used, as well, on some of the remote passes in the Rockies when the snow is deep and unreliable when avalanches may occur.

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charles corrar penns grove new jersey — Thu, 07 Dec 2006 03:38:21 GMT

the man waited a week for help he even burned his car tires trying to be more visable im sure he realized his wife and children would die within a few more days then he did what he felt was best for them im sure he knew what would happen to him if he didnt get to help in a reasonable amount of time but he did what any father/husband would have done he tried to save them he is a hero in my eyes PS to all that said he did the wrong thing i can only say i hope someone else steps up to help your family because i doubt you will i mean jeez he waited a week for help

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Mischelle — Thu, 07 Dec 2006 03:46:46 GMT

To A Servant, AMEN!

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L. Brown, AZ — Thu, 07 Dec 2006 04:10:18 GMT

To The Kim Family. May The Good Lord Bless You And The Family. Thank God The Wife And Girls Were Found Safe. You Will Always Know How Much Your Husband And Father Loved You All.

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a breastfeeding mom Park City Utah — Thu, 07 Dec 2006 04:14:31 GMT

When people say things happen for a reason it is hard to accept if it is you that it happens to and the thing is so heartbreaking. Some stories touch us more than others. I was very touched by Steve Irwin's families loss and heartbreak, and it was hard for me to understand why at first. I cried and I am not a media or news person. Because I also think about the innocent families in Iraq being torn apart by war that is not their doing yet that is so hard to fathom, so unreal, so unreported. Or what is happening to the Sudanese-these are just examples. T I think Steve Irwin's story is real because he was such a public story and because he made a difference, because of this it is hard to imagine his family losing him. I guess what I am trying to say is that what touched me the most about this story is the power of breastfeeding and that the babies are ok. (and if you are a mother you will know that a four year and a first born child is still your baby!) I try not to judge women who are not "able" to breast feed or who especially those who don't want to or only do so for a short time because it is inconvenient. There is nothing more convenient and more sensible. There have been many times it has been a huge relief for me that I was still breastfeeding. (Flying after the latest security tightning, hiking, when my daughter was hurt (it is a natural pain reliever) etc. But nothing like this story. I hope for the Kim family that the positive of this is how it will affect other people and families. I have a toddler and I know my family has taken back and isolated roads for an adventure in the off season and were just lucky we were never lost etc. For three years we have gone into the wilderness on "closed" roads that everyone else drives on and these are even snowpacked. And even there are other people cutting Xmas trees and snowmobilers etc, but we might not have been immune either. At least the Kim's had people that knew they were supposed to be back!. That is what I have gained from this. People can judge and guess but most people would lose their minds after only 24 hours in a situation like this and you will do Anything to save your children. So, long winded I am trying to say is that if these heartbreaking things happen to a family what becomes of that...Kati has already done a lot to increase awareness of breastfeeding! This is not more important to her than having her husband and her babies Daddy back but it might be a wonderful legacy. And maybe some other family will make different decisions about a lot of things. What is most important about this story is that we get to be reminded of how precious life is and our families and never take that for granted. The Kim family seemed very happy and in love and that is contagious and beautiful and lasting. In the end that is what will keep the Kim family growing forward with wonderful memories of James' spirit and wish for them to be safe.

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Barbara Harney...Roseburg, OR — Thu, 07 Dec 2006 05:04:35 GMT

What a terrible tragedy for the Kim family. I live in Oregon and Winter is surely upon us. On the 'Tourist Map' which the Kim's DID NOT have, it states not to travel this road in the Winter. How would they know? The Dept. of Forestry or Sheriff's Dept. should have clear signs, or roads chained off that should not be traveled! Such accidents could be avoided. Such a pity.

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MHomer, Seattle, WA — Thu, 07 Dec 2006 05:26:06 GMT

There is no question that Mr. Kim was a brave man who loved his family very much. He stayed with the vehicle over a week then knew he was risking his own life in an attempt to save his family. And I know I was not in their situation but I try to imagine if I were. What would we have done with the information we presume he had. Knowing you're not on the road you want to be on. Seeing a squiggly gray line on the map indicating a secondary gravel road going through a wilderness area. Repeatedly seeing signs that indicate this road is closed at some point in the year. Being in a family car with your FAMILY. I'm no Einstein but I think I would have figured out it was time to turn back. One bad decision after another while they were in a heated car with a map. What character flaw forced this man to go on after common sense would tell him to go back? In a hurry? To arrogant to admit he was wrong? Too egotistical to think it couldn't happen to him? My heart is heavy for the surviving Kim family. The holiday most of us enjoy so much will now always be a horrible reminder of a true tragedy. The world will not bend to our will.

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Jennifer, Raleigh, NC — Thu, 07 Dec 2006 05:50:00 GMT

I think the Kim family was very brave and very smart throughout this whole ordeal. They did whatever they had to in order to survive, even if it meant Mr. Kim sacrificing his own life for the life of his family. I am sure he understood the risks and would make the same decision again. You inspire us all.

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Robin, Evergreen, Colorado — Thu, 07 Dec 2006 05:57:26 GMT

May God bless the Kim family and give their family and friends strength. This could happen to any family that travels by car in the winter and this reminds us all it is essential to be preprared.

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Geraldine, Fort Lauderdale, Florida — Thu, 07 Dec 2006 06:32:46 GMT

Bless their souls! I am sure their loved for one another will bring hope and endurance for the future. I pray that somehow Mrs. Kim will read "Seven Steps to Eternity" which tells of the continuance of the soul after earthly life as it was given to the psychic, Turoff, who wrote down the messages given to him by a young soldier who died during warfare.

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JD, Myrtle Creek, Oregon — Thu, 07 Dec 2006 07:15:44 GMT

My heart goes out to the Kim family and their families, friends and co-workers. It is a loss for our planet - someone so young and vital. My 19-year old daughter plans to move to Alaska in December. She doesn't realize how serious I am when I try to get her to wait until summer. She has not driven in snow. I warn her about simple things turning lethal in cold, dark weather (I lived in northern Wisconsin). Maybe if she reads about this family, she will take necessary precautions. Maybe more people will. My heart aches for the Kims.

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john perales — Thu, 07 Dec 2006 07:18:24 GMT

James Kim, what an extraordinary man ! So courageous he was. How very upsetting to hear about his death. God Bless his family.

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Heidi C, Schaumburg, IL — Thu, 07 Dec 2006 07:19:56 GMT

It is very sad they found his body within a mile of where the car was located (he trekked about 8 miles but drifted all the way back) My prayers and condolences are with their friends and family this evening.

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Richard Gillespie, Lewiston, Idaho — Thu, 07 Dec 2006 07:33:39 GMT

When I first heard of the Kim family on MSNBC, I thought to myself, "What a brave and courageous man". Then I was thinking of Mr. Kim wearing tennis-shoes in the snow, "Surely he will get frostbite". I then asked myself, "If that was me with my wife and a tiny baby and a 4 year old, could I have left the car in that enviroment?" "I don't know". My heart goes out to the surviving family. I removed my hat for the 100+ searchers and Law Enforcement Agency's working together as a well oiled machine. Blessings to All of You...

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Randy Chavez, Vancouver Wash — Thu, 07 Dec 2006 08:00:38 GMT

James, you have shown all that which is human. My family shed's tears tonight alongside yours. We will see you in heaven my brother.

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gbc, Kenmore, WA — Thu, 07 Dec 2006 08:24:41 GMT

I heard about James Kim this morning; my heart goes out to the rest of the Kim family.

I usually am fairly well prepared for for whatever location/season/situation I'm travelling in, but this has still been a wake up call, since "fairly" may not always be enough.

Ref OnStar: as noted, the GPS portion is satellite based (by definition). However all the messaging is cell network dependent, sending data over the voice channels. The system will use any available cell network, including analog, which is what gives it such good - but NOT universal - coverage. (Analog, by the way, can use wider antenna spacing which gives it an additional advantage for this system.)

In a location like the Kims', and many similar places, there is no cell coverage at all: remember, it's just radio which is basically a line of sight system. (Yes, there are certainly reflections and other exceptions, but best not to bet your life on them.)

If there's no cell coverage, pressing the OnStar button will have no result - they'll never get the message, which would have reported your GPS location.

For cell phone usage, to the best of my knowlege Verizon has the most cell coverage over the entire country, especially outside of populated areas. But even there, all the white space on their general coverage map

(http://www.verizonwireless.com/b2c/
CoverageLocatorController?requesttype=newsearch)

is dead zone. You may get an analog signal from a local carrier - IF your phone supports analog, which many newer phones do not - in the white areas, but you can't count on it. Note that the entire corner of OR where this incident occurred shows no Verizon related (direct or partners) coverage at all.

As an example a friend had AT&T / Cingular service which worked fine in populated areas and major highways in this area, but was essentially useless as soon as he crossed from ID into MT, except in "major" cities. He recently moved back to MT and scrapped the AT&T / Cingular in favor of Verizon, which is the only real solution for all of MT.

The "Be Prepared" motto has a lot of reverberations tonight...

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Rene McGuire, Florence, OR — Thu, 07 Dec 2006 08:36:16 GMT

My condolences to the family for their loss. It's tragic this young man with so much to live for perished. I hope his children grow up realizing their father was a hero for although he didn't acheive his goal of reaching help, he died doing all he could to save them.

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Ben, Redmond WA — Thu, 07 Dec 2006 08:41:39 GMT

This man worked for CNET as a senior editor and some schmoes are talking as if he were an idiot. He may not have been a survivalist, but he was not completely dumb. I'm sure if it were obvious what the path back was he would have taken it. How do I know that? Because the guy waited for over a week with the car, trying to survive. Faced with the prospect of no one finding you and time ticking down -- what do you do? I tell you what I'd do -- I'd risk my own life for just a small increased chance of getting help. What other options are there? What are the odds that someone will find you in the next few days while you continue to get weakened due to lack of food to the point where you don't have a choice to do anything anymore? I doubt the 'hey, why don't I walk in this random direction' was what he was thinking. What really kills me is how he must have felt when it was clear he wasn't going to find help. Thinking you are the last hope for your family and failing is simply heart wrenching.

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david b — Thu, 07 Dec 2006 09:44:52 GMT

i'll have to agree with the people that sided with Kim's decision to leave the car and go for help. a week is an awfully long without addition provision. can't imagine going without food for a day. after 2 to 3 days it's panick time. they stayed that way for a whole week. towards the end he left because he refused to give up on life and his family. they had no idea when help would arrive if at all. so that was his last attempt to gather every last energy that he had and go for help. too bad help arrived too late and wish he would have made it.

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stacey gaston, sc — Thu, 07 Dec 2006 12:56:27 GMT

My heartfelt sympathy to Mr. Kim's family. I am so thankful that his family survived. He was a hero by trying to find help for his family. His wife was also very brave & used her wits so she & her little girls could survive. Even though I live in the Deep South, where it rarely gets truly cold, I ALWAYS have emergency provisions in the trunk of my car. This is something that my father impressed upon me long ago since we lived in a rural area. Keep bottled water, blankets, granola bar, a couple of old jackets, flashlight & matches in your trunk at all times! You can never be too prepared!

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Vicki, Chicago, IL — Thu, 07 Dec 2006 14:10:20 GMT

My heart breaks for Mrs. Kim and her girls. I know what it is like to loose a father. They are in my thoughts and prayers.

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The Woomer Family, Lusby MD — Thu, 07 Dec 2006 14:14:48 GMT

To the Kim's, as many others have said; God Bless you and your Family ( and James's Family too ) for the loss of a Husband, Father, Son-In Law, Son, Brother. He is in Heaven now; serving and shining with glory.

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Sebastian Igesias — Thu, 07 Dec 2006 14:25:51 GMT

I'm confused...Once they were determind missing, wouldn't the logical thing to do would be to follow the route taken. Even if the roads were snowed under a helicopter would be able to find them.

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bevs gempler — Thu, 07 Dec 2006 14:39:16 GMT

my husband toold me about this sad story when i able to rad everything about it, my heart feel the emptyness the wife and kids has now. i was able to read some comments and i feel bad about how other people jugde james for trying to rescue his family...you guys dont have heart or feelings. u must think james all wanted was o save the family, there get sturck for a week already if he wont do some actions then it gonna be more worst for them...his just tr to help his family and that called LOVE... let just pray for him and for the family rather than blaming it to him...all he want is to save them and for that we risk his life...his a good example for giving his life to his family...lets pray for him!

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Christine — Thu, 07 Dec 2006 14:40:23 GMT

James Kim is the kind of person that everyone wants to have as a dad and a husband. In what must have been a weakened state he thought only of his family. His determination in what had to be a terrifying ultimate end is a heartbreaking and inspiring thing. His place in heaven is well deserved and he won't be forgotten for his sacrifice.

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Kaleed, West Palm Beach, FL — Thu, 07 Dec 2006 14:48:06 GMT

my deepest condolences and sympathies goes out to the family of this beloved man. R.I.P. James Kim

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PAT INMON,NETTLETON,MS — Thu, 07 Dec 2006 14:59:48 GMT

MY PRAYERS ARE FOR YOU AND ALL YOUR FAMILY. MAY THE LORD GIVE YOU STRENGTH IN THESE SAD TIMES. YOU ARE A BRAVE PERSON.

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Diane, Kirkwood, NY — Thu, 07 Dec 2006 15:10:57 GMT

I haven't read every single entry, so I apologize if this has already been suggested, but living in the Northeast, when we pack our car for winter driving we always include a supply of those chemically-activated hand and foot warmers you can buy for about a dollar at any ski or sporting goods store. They supply a safe, easy, effective, and inexpensive source of heat for up to 8 hours. It's always harder to warm your extremities, and if you're ever stranded, these will help keep you warm till help arrives.

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Richard Tang, Ames, Iowa - Singapore — Thu, 07 Dec 2006 15:27:38 GMT

May he rest in peace. Kim went not knowing that he will be successful in getting help, but he knew what will happen if he did nothing. I am a Father of 2 very young gals. Wonder why they didn't use the phone to call some one?

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Anna, Melfa, Virginia — Thu, 07 Dec 2006 15:33:55 GMT

My heart goes out to this family. Knowing the father died in efforts to save his family shows he was a man of heart, courage, and strength. It is my hope that his family and friends, even though grieving, will know their loved one set out to be a herioc father and husband to his family and became a symbol of angelic heriosm to us all.

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Bill — Thu, 07 Dec 2006 15:43:53 GMT

It's a shame what happened. If their vehicle was Onstar equipped, none of this would have happened! This is one of the reasons why I bought a GM car.

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Bruce winchendon,ma — Thu, 07 Dec 2006 15:55:47 GMT

God bless the Kim family. I am sad for your loss. just know that your husband loved you all so much, and I feel he did the only thing any husband & father, would do in that moment,that is to try to save his wife & children. God bless you.

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SHANNON SIVERS FULTON,NY — Thu, 07 Dec 2006 15:57:46 GMT

FOR THOSE OF YOU WHO CRITICIZE, SHAME ON YOU. ARE YOU PERFECT?I'M NOT. NO ONE I KNOW IS. NO ONE IN THIS WORLD IS, SO TO BE SO NEGATIVE AT SUCH A TRAGIC TIME TRULY MAKES ME FEEL ILL. DON'T YOU HAVE ANY COMPASSION? THIS YOUNG MOTHER AND 2 GIRLS ARE NOW WITHOUT THEIR HUSBAND & FATHER. AT HOLIDAY TIMES. I AM SOOO SORRY FOR THEIR LOSS AND I THINK I'M ALMOST SORRIER FOR ALL THE NASTY PEOPLE IN THIS WORLD THAT THINK THEY KNOW EVERYTHING AND COULDA,SHOULDA,WOULDA DONE IT BETTER. WHERE ARE YOUR HEARTS? THINK ON THAT THIS HOLIDAY SEASON AS YOU SIT AND WATCH YOUR LOVED ONES. MRS. KIM & HER FAMILY LOST A STRONG, COURAGEOUS HUSBAND. WHO ARE YOU TO SAY HOW THINGS SHOULD HAVE BEEN DONE?

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Suzanne, Palm Beach, FL — Thu, 07 Dec 2006 16:00:04 GMT

No time for judgement - just prayers. Everyone can make 100% correct decisions after the fact. Mr. Kim has paid with his life. Isn't that enough for everyone? Now pray for his family and leave him in peace.

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Charles and Joyce Shierlow — Thu, 07 Dec 2006 16:15:51 GMT

Our deepest sympathy goes out to Mrs. Kim and daughters. She was so brave to sit out the long wait while her brave husband set out seeking help. I am sure it seemed forever to her before help arrived. Our prayers go up for her future days during this dark period in her life. May God grant her peace. Charles and Joyce Shierlow, Manchaca, Texas

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L, Lamont, Iowa — Thu, 07 Dec 2006 16:26:27 GMT

Mr Kim died trying to save his two very young children and wife that he obviously loved very much. What a hero! I think all fathers out there who are being judgemental, should take a good look at their children tonight, and realize the gift that they really are, and think about what they would do if they were stranded for days! Everybody is human, and we don't always make the "perfect' decision. God be with Mr. Kim's family. Think about what they are going through!

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Ligia, Plano, TX — Thu, 07 Dec 2006 16:48:22 GMT

My heartfelt condolences and prayers go out to Mr.Kim's wife, daughters,their relatives, and close friends. The world has cenrtainly lost another angel. He did the right thing, and nobody has the right to judge him. He is a hero, and those who deny that have a lot left to learn to recognize good from bad. His death must have been horrible, not only for the physical conditions, but because he must have been mentally tortured by the thought of his family being lost forever. May you rest in peace, Mr.Kim. God bless you Mrs. Kim, and your daughters. Hold on to the memory of your husband, a true HERO, and to the Peace and Grace of God.

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aimee, chicago, il — Thu, 07 Dec 2006 17:05:39 GMT

my heart breaks for the kim family. my thoughts & prayers are with them as they go through this difficult time.

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Suzy Bannon, East Patchogue,NewYork — Thu, 07 Dec 2006 17:11:26 GMT

Absolutely heartbreaking. I had been following the story, and was brought to tears upon learning that Mr. Kim had not survived this terrible ordeal. My heart goes out to his family, as do my prayers. I did not know Mr. Kim, but as a mother of a small child; I can only imagine how scared they felt about the safety of their children. Mr. Kim gave the ultimate sacrifice, in efforts to save his family. He and his wife are TRUE heroes! Again, I cannot fully express my sadness upon hearing the news, that Mr. Kim had not survived. My condolences to his entire family, friends, and co-workers. Sincerely, The Bannons

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Marilyn Monaco, Madison, CT — Thu, 07 Dec 2006 17:21:12 GMT

God Bless you Mrs. Kim and thank you for having the strength and ability to keep your children alive. You're a wonderful strong person, keep up your stength for your children. God Bless Mr. Kim, you tried and did your best. Godd looks over you now.

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Paul, Reno, NV — Thu, 07 Dec 2006 17:25:57 GMT

A nice short cut in the summer. We travelled that route over the mountain in my MPV this summer and it was the worst driving experience of my life! The road is tiny and badly maintained in places with awful drops down the mountain. It took us 4.5 hrs to take this shortcut in the middle of the summer. My condolences to the Kim family, it is an awful stretch of road.

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Dennis Nendza, Tucson, AZ — Thu, 07 Dec 2006 17:28:02 GMT

From the first mention that the Kim family was missing I felt the need to think positively about their safe recovery. When Mrs. Kim and the children were rescued I figured it was only a short time until her husband would be located. Sadly, James Kim was not found in time.

This story has brought forth many helpful suggestions for aiding rescue in this thread and I would add a few. Gadgets are a backup, a sort of insurance policy to bail us out if we find ourselves a victim of a series of unfortunate moves or natural calamities, but they are worth their weight in gold when they work. We often travel on 4wd back roads many miles from the nearest living soul. Of course, we have the usual survival equipment, but the one technological area that gives me the warmest feeling is my ham radio installation. Assuming the vehicle battery is functional, I can talk to any of thousands of hams day or night from a few miles to thousands of miles away. My handheld transceiver with internal batteries, while much more limited, can usually access a mountaintop repeater that covers hundreds of square miles. A third device which I built, but is also available commercially, uses GPS to form a packet of location information which is broadcast every few minutes to ham radio stations that transfer the information to the internet where a map of your current location can be viewed. My parents follow our adventures using their browser on a computer ( www.findu.com/cgi-bin/find.cgi?w7kmv-9 ). The International Space Station carries a repeater for APRS, as this system is called. I realize that not everyone wishes to become an amateur radio operator, but it is quite easy to obtain entry level licenses these days. And there's no monthly fee. It's a great insurance policy to pull out when that cell phone doesn't connect, not to mention that what you learn about radio applies to getting the most range from a cell phone out in the sticks (climb a hill to try the cell phone). To learn more about ham radio visit www.hello-radio.org or www.arrl.org .

May the Kim family find the strength, understanding and support to cope with their loss.

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Gretchen, Greensboro, NC — Thu, 07 Dec 2006 17:42:12 GMT

How can you judge a poor man who was only doing what little he could out of desperation to help his young family. There is no character flaw in this planet that would make someone endure what this man did. Have you stopped to think how hard it was for him to come to the decision that his only option after one week of waiting would be to leave his beloved family and venture into the freezing cold for help? otherwise, they all faced certain death.

Have you stopped to think that he was anything, least of all arrogant, but a desperate father pushing forward because maybe he thought if he walked just a little bit further, he might find help? have you stopped to think that maybe he got lost and it was not arrogance, but he simply could not find his way back to the car after the 5 hours of walking?

I think we all have a tendency to think "this would have never happened to me". And that may or may not be true. All I can say is this man did what any desperate father and husband who is sitting helpelessly watching his family whither away and suffer, would do. He went out to look for help or better shelter and plowed forward as best he could. There is no character flaw in that. He was a hero and sacrificed himself for his family. [...]

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Jorge Cela — Thu, 07 Dec 2006 17:44:03 GMT

To James Kim's wife and daughters; Your husband and father was a very brave man who risked everything to save his family, he adventure out of the safe of his car as his last resort to save his family and because of his own tracks on the snow were seen by the pilot, they were able to find and save the rest of the family. He did save his family and he is a hero. I would have done the same thing in his situation. God bless him and God bless you Mrs. Kim.

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Melissa Jordan, Medina, Ohio — Thu, 07 Dec 2006 17:44:32 GMT

God bless the Kim family. They did all they could to survive. No one thinks they will ever get into a situation like this. James Kim left to find help and most people would have done that. It is a miracle his wife and children survived and were found! James did not have that miracle.

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Stacey Griffin Ashland Oregon — Thu, 07 Dec 2006 17:48:54 GMT

I grew up in the Bay Area, it does not snow there. I moved to Oregon a few years ago, I am looking at a foot or so of snow right now,I put on a jacket a hat and went out to "play" with my 7 year old daughter, we made it 50 ft and could hardly make it back to our own house, when you get real cold it begins to feel like your HOT and you start peeling off clothing. I had no idea how intense a snowstorm can be, and I bet Mr Kim did not either, it makes me feel bad that other people are attacking him, if you live in the Cali sunshine its hard to know how harse a few feet of snow can be.

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Smith — Thu, 07 Dec 2006 17:49:34 GMT

A suggestion. If you are stuck and you know that no one is going to miss you for sometime (housekeeper reported them missing 7 days later?), and no one is aware of the route you are on, obviously no one is going to be coming any time soon maybe until it's to late... do not wait 6-7 days to strike out, do it right away while you have good energy and strength and your mind is clear and your family still has some supplies and fuel. Stay with a designate roadway, there is a reason the road is where it is. The outcome might be more bright. I judge not the man and praise his brave attempt and am sorry for the loss, just suggestions for possible future reference!

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Kahalle Seattle, Wash — Thu, 07 Dec 2006 18:18:03 GMT

James attempted to save his family, knowing his own life would be placed in peril...how many of us would have enough LOVE to make this ultimate decision. My symphathy to the Kim family. You were a loving,courageous and compassionate man and now that your family is safe. Rest in Peace James.

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A, North California — Thu, 07 Dec 2006 18:27:10 GMT

Thank you for the lessons , Mr Kim. I pray that you rest in your utmost peace.

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Rebecca, Tacoma, Washington — Thu, 07 Dec 2006 18:34:59 GMT

My heartfelt sympathy for this family and those 2 little girls who will have to grow up without a father. It is very inspiring, though, to see that this man put his family first and did everything that HE KNEW to do in order to find help for them. I am curious about one thing though, why did the family not just walk back down the road they came in on back to the interstate?

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DK So Cal — Thu, 07 Dec 2006 18:36:19 GMT

I wasn’t going to post anything to this discussion but I feel that it needs to be said. First of all Mrs. Kim I hope that you go thru life knowing that your husband did what he felt he needed to do to save the lives of you and your children. He was truly a loving husband and father to risk his own life trying to save all of you. May God bless his soul for giving his life for his family. And God bless you and your children every day

Everyone can be a critic after the fact but what would they do if it were them? How would they deal with it if they were driving somewhere and they missed a turn not knowing the area?

I lived in the Pacific Northwest and I know how the weather can and does change in an instant. I was hunting with two friends one year when I got separated fallowing the tracks of an animal. If it was not for the fact that we had set up a system that if one of us got lost what we would do and at what intervals, I could have possibly died out there in the snow just as your loving husband did. It gets dark very fast in the mountains and in the snow it is very hard to keep a sense of direction.

Every time anyone travels it is always a very good idea to have someone waiting for you to call telling him or her that you made it to your destination. I have always done this with my family it is something that is expected and it is expected for the person on the road to call each time they stop for fuel or to eat. This way if something happens it is known where the last stop was and at what time. Yes, many people have 20/20 vision as to what they should or should not do but until it happens to you there is no way of knowing what it is you will do when the time comes. Having even the best knowledge of what to do and being prepared for an emergency with having supplies in the car in case of an accident or being stranded there is no way they would have lasted nine days with a family of four. I praise God that you and the children were found and taken care of. My heart felt sympathy goes out to you and yours in this very sad time. God bless you and keep you and yours safe the rest of your lives.

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bakersfield CA — Thu, 07 Dec 2006 18:56:57 GMT

I was making my christmas list and went to CNET to review the mp3 player I wanted. The reviewer was James Kim. When I heard about the family being missing and then about him striking out for help, I went back and looked at the video again. This was a small guy with a very slender frame. I can't believe he walked 8 miles....I would hope that his family through their grief be aware of how much he must have loved them to do that. And for the mom: Hooray for nursing both of them! She's a hero too! The two of them saved their children....In a world where we hear about parents doing awful things to thier children...this story will stick with me for a long time!

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Mike Stemen, Northern CA. — Thu, 07 Dec 2006 18:57:14 GMT

The Kim Family, I commend you, admire you, for what you have endured, none of us would ever hope too, nor would want to, as I know you did not choose too. But as strange as life is we are not always privy to all the situations that happen upon us. I pray that God be with all of you always guiding your steps throughout life. I know James watched above with profound joy as you were being rescued. He did not leave the car in vain, he gave you hope when hope appeared so little. Let your daughters grow up knowing how brave and heroic their father was. That he did what he did because of how much he cared and loved you and them. Please, if you read any of these blogs above, don't take the negatives personal, many people appear to know it all from a warm room in a comfortable home, with or without family around them. But if you can find it in your heart, say a small prayer for the famlies and friends that have to live or put up with these "judgemental know it alls". I pray that God will send a comforter to you and your family. Thanks again to all the people and agencies involved that helped this heroic family. Also many thanks to those that have offered and educated many of us on necessary precautions to take with us. James Kim, you have already saved many many lives ahead, with the ultimate sacrifice of yours. May God Bless you and yours.

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anny,pascagoula,ms — Thu, 07 Dec 2006 19:20:32 GMT

My prayers go out to the Kim family. I was almost certain they were going find Mr.Kim but after seeing the news last night my heart was broken. I can't imagine losing my father because he went to save me and my family. I hope that area will be improved so that no other families are put in that situation. I also think everyone did their best to find him and no one is to blame. God bless!

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Lisa T — Thu, 07 Dec 2006 19:26:20 GMT

To the Kim family, I am deeply saddened by the news that you lost your father and husband. No one will know the despair you faced up on that mountain. To endure day after day w/out rescue in harsh conditions is beyond the comprhenson for most people to imagine. You are an amazing woman, Mrs. Kim. Your children are truly blessed to have such a tenacious mother. I pray you find peace again in the coming months as you greive the loss of your husband.

As a man, Mr. Kim did what he thought was right to save his young family. Those who judge can never know how they would proceed when faced w the terrifing prospect of watching their family die before their eyes. I pray for his soul...I am inspired by the whole family's will to live and take solace in the fact that both Mr. and Mrs. Kim protected those vunerable children and kept them alive. It is so, so sad their daddy lost his life trying to get them off that mountain.

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Carmel / Oklahoma — Thu, 07 Dec 2006 19:34:15 GMT

After 9 days of staying with his family in the vehicle, James Kim made the decision that he must take the chance to look elsewhere for a rescue team or shelter. Sadly, help did not arrive in time to save him, but did see his family from the air, after receiving a cell-phone blip at a tower that assisted in locating their general vicinity! What a brave and loving man! My thoughts and prayers go to his entire family and loved ones!

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Mary Tihonow, Elk Grove, IL. — Thu, 07 Dec 2006 20:24:43 GMT

James Kim was a courageous, caring father and husband. He was a gift to his family and friends. Unfortunately, I never knew him, but would've been honored to have known him. My prayers are with his family....Know that people all over the country are thinking and praying for you, Mrs. Kim and children. Mary Tihonow; Elk Grove, IL.

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Myrtle Morris — Thu, 07 Dec 2006 21:43:13 GMT

May God Bless And Strengthen The Kim Family During Their Time Of Sorrow.

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Michelle B — Thu, 07 Dec 2006 21:45:16 GMT

To Mrs. Kim, May God continue to bless you, and keep you and your daughters close to him during this unimaginable time of grief. It brings to tears to my eyes trying to grasp the ordeal that you and your family had to overcome during those frightful days and nights. I believe that Angels were there in your car, soothing and keeping your babies warm. I also believe an Angel was there with Mr. Kim as he set off to find help and rescue. While we may not understand why this had to happen, please continue to find the strength to go on and live for your daughter's and your husband's legacy. While most of us never had the honor of knowing your husband and family, your ordeal has touched us all. God Bless.

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sandra, Albuquerque, New Mexico — Thu, 07 Dec 2006 22:56:19 GMT

I'm so sorry to hear about Mr.Kim I have followed this story. He was a very brave man, and is now a hero resting in peace. Mrs. Kim and daughters should be very proud of him for trying to save his young family. Alot of people need to learn how to keep there comments to themselves, they were not in this situation and do not know what they would have done. Mr. Kim did a very brave thing trying to save his family.Everyone is very smart from this side but when it comes down to it it is very hard to know what to do. especailly with little ones to worry about. God Bless you and your children, and remember Mr. Kim is now looking down and watching you all from up above.

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Dave M, Boston, MA — Thu, 07 Dec 2006 23:50:38 GMT

It is sad to hear of Mr. Kim's death and the loss of a father/husband/friend. At this time of year people wonder what gift they can give someone - consider giving a loved one a gift that inclues some of the items that others above have written about to keep in their car in case they get stranded. Wouldn't you say 'thanks!' to someone if they gave you a few survival items?

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Elizabeth Muniz — Thu, 07 Dec 2006 23:57:43 GMT

He has a place in heaven... he tried to save his family. If I was in that situation would I not go looking for help also? My prays and thoughts are with the family and may thier hearts mend in time. Especially during the holidays it can be difficult. Before we blame or second guess, remember we were not in the same situation

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M, USA — Thu, 07 Dec 2006 23:58:10 GMT

I've read some of Mr. Kim CNet work so this story was almost more personal than others for me.

How many times have you been in your car or on foot when you've taken a wrong turn and decided to go a little farther along the road and if no sign of exit occurs within a certain distance then you'll turn back?

Well, think - the Kim's didn't get the chance to turn back, they got stuck instead.

If they could have turned back I'm sure they would have. They have shown they tried to do what was best for their situation at the moment in question.

I think if they didn't get stuck they would have turned back but they couldn't and had to deal with that as best they could.

Try to put yourself in someone else's shoes before you make your permanent public statement.

I shed tears when I received the news. I was so hoping for a complete happy ending.

We still have good to see, most of the Kim family is alive and well and did do all he could to save his family for the situation they were in. He is a hero and I think his kids can grow up knowing this.

There is no blame there is a mishap of circumstance.

We all can learn from this and I hope all are checking there cars and making sure they can be as prepared as possible for any unforeseen accident.

BTW: I read about 99% of all of the posts and am pleased to see most Americans have good hearts and are very sincere and caring for their fellow man like this.

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Philip W. , Queens, NY — Fri, 08 Dec 2006 00:01:24 GMT

Please forgive my English if I said it the wrong way. Did anybody notice what Harry said in his message? "... A sales rep coming from Gold Beach east died after waiting for 6 weeks in his camper for rescue in the 1990's. ..." And Philip S. from the nearby area also said victims would possibly be found after MONTHS until snow melted. It means that if you were the unfortunate one who were stranded in a similar situation, no matter how well prepared you were, you still will die. It's impossible for anyone to put a few months of food and water in his car. Let alone a supposedly short family trip. My suggetion is that since we as Americans have the best satellite technology in the world, why government didn't develop a better widespread technology to rescue people if they were in such life-and-death situation? Only today that I found out there is a category of devices called PLB(personal location broadcaster) which , if Kim had had it, might have saved his life. The thing that bothers me most in this story, it's that the majority of the public doesn't even know such a thing exists. As the website states that PLB and EPIRB save thousands of lifes, why government did nothing to let more people know about it? Or make a PLB device as a manditory device in every vehicle in US? That will save thousands of lifes every year. If we can all realize from this tragedy that this is the real safety we need to get from the government instead of attacking countries half globe away, then Kim's unfortunate death is not in vein. In short, we need a fast responding 911 Satellite network and mandatory satellite emergency device in every vehicle. What happened to Kim's family could happen to you. You never know.

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Spruceman Rasslerbear, Seneca Rocks WV — Fri, 08 Dec 2006 00:53:58 GMT

There are lots of areas less than 125 miles from Washington DC without cell coverage--let alone large western wilderness areas. Even in the relatively tame wilds of West Virginia, I have thought about getting a satellite phone for long backpacking trips into what little backcountry remains around here. After reading this, and similar stories, if I were heading into the real wilderness areas, I'd definitely rent a GlobalStar or Iridium satellite phone -- just in case.

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Pack, Utah — Fri, 08 Dec 2006 17:00:08 GMT

I get stuck getting out of my driveway and turned around in the mall. I can't imagine the bravery it took to set out in the unknown but it is the only thing a real man can do with his family at stake. I do alot of horse riding in back country and I can tell you a hard snow fall can obsure even a roadway. I know Mr. Kim did everything he could, he gave all he could, even his life. God bless him and his family.

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Rosa Gray — Sat, 09 Dec 2006 06:36:07 GMT

Referring back to the poster Hema (Wed Dec 6 7:17 AM) I looked up the area between State Route 42 and Federal Route 199 on my Oregon AAA Road Map. He's got it exactly right.

There is no State or Federal route from I-5 directly to Gold Beach.

The AAA Map describes Route 23, the one the family followed as "Local/County/Forest/Indian."

What's more, the road the family followed Route 23 is marked on the AAA Map in big red letters "CLOSED IN WINTER."

This is a truly tragic situation that did not have to happen.

But I can understand why it happened.

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Les Hubble, Bryan, Texas — Sun, 10 Dec 2006 22:07:04 GMT

Mr. Kim's family should be proud. Mr. Kim didn,t die of "indecision", it was the elements. The GPS issue is like the man with two watches who is never sure what time it is. We can all learn something from this tradgic event.