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carolyn collins petersen — Thu, 09 Oct 2008 01:12:05 GMT

Hi Alan! Who knew, eh?

Spacewriter

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M, chicago IL — Thu, 09 Oct 2008 01:23:48 GMT

I'm from Chicago, and I love the Adler Planetarium and have been there many many times over my life. I'm also an Obama supporter. But there should have never been a federal earmark for this. Things like this should be paid by the taxpayers of IL and Cook County along with charitable donations. Not federal tax money.

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David — Thu, 09 Oct 2008 01:35:52 GMT

No, projector ey McCain. I guess you'll ban books that teach us to communicate effectively next....no, no, wait...Bush took care of that.

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Doug Slauson, Swisher, IA — Thu, 09 Oct 2008 01:36:30 GMT

An "Overhead projector"? Amazing! I close my eyes and try to imagine the behemoth Zeiss projector used for a business presentation. Describing Adler's plantarium projector as an overhead projector is rather like describing the USS Intrepid as a "ferry boat". :o)

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The Floyd — Thu, 09 Oct 2008 01:40:32 GMT

Either way, Obama asked for it (and got turned down), but the point is, he asked for the 3 MILLION dollars for a projector. Why should projecting stars on a ceiling in Chicago become a federally funded project in the first place? Why doesnt the city of Chicago buy them one? Why don't they host a fund-raiser and hit up local money to buy them one? Surely there are enough people with money in Chicago who want their name on something to kick in that kind of money? What about a corporate sponsorship? All of these companies are paying millions to have their name on the front of athletic stadiums... How about on the front of a planetarium?

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Butch Dillon — Thu, 09 Oct 2008 01:49:11 GMT

McCain acts like and has the mentality of a caveman equipped with a bias towards anti-intellectualism and a penchant for lying. His political career will be over when he loses his ridiculous bid for the presidency in November. Burning books and denying knowledge is the mark of a McCain/Palin candidacy.

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Sean Patrick McPeak — Thu, 09 Oct 2008 02:01:57 GMT

Astronomers rule. Seriously, you guys rule. What's $3mil these days?

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Chuck, Milwaukee, WI — Thu, 09 Oct 2008 02:06:26 GMT

As a Wisconsin resident that has been to the Chicago museums many times and has seen the massive crowds that visit these venues, there is no reason why these places cannot be self funded or funded through private donations. It's ridiculous that these institutions must rely on the federal government to pay for their existence. I see the Adler as a Chicago tourist attraction and one that benefits the citizens of Illinois. And as such, should be funded locally or by benefactors from all over the world. But not by federal tax dollars. Chicago has more than enough resources on its own to pay for this. After all it wasn't a problem for them to pay for a Soldier Field renovation. Stop bashing a guy that is truly looking out for the taxpayers of this country.

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Dale G. Cox, Pontiac, Michigan — Thu, 09 Oct 2008 02:11:38 GMT

I used to like Senator McCain, but the lows to which he and Ms. Palin have reached to try and smear Senator Obama have made me see him as NOTsomeone I want in charge of the country. His calling a planetarium projector an overhead projector just shows that his knowledge of the science that our country will need to apply to overcome many of the world problems such as Global Warming is sadly lacking.

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Jeff upstate New York — Thu, 09 Oct 2008 02:19:05 GMT

so just because other places waste federal funds its ok for Chicago to as well? im a die hard Obama supporter but pork is pork, if this place cant get enough funds from its business to pay for its own equipment than its time to shut the doors period. with trillion doller debts this kind of stuff is just wrong. everyone wants to cut the pork its just that no one wants the knife to touch THEIR pork.

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Bob Dineo, Canto New York — Thu, 09 Oct 2008 02:24:53 GMT

We need to stop ourselves. Just because others waist money, we don't need to encourage more waist.

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Joan B. Kirkland, Wa. — Thu, 09 Oct 2008 02:29:18 GMT

Three million dollars of tax money spent for a projector used for educational purpose for the general public beats the use of the same amount of money spent for arms for war. It's not likely that a planetarium projector will be used to kill anyone, especially when the risk of killing multiple civilians is high.
Take my tax dollars for educational toys! Take them, please! Take my tax dollars to help people understand the workings of the Universe rather than ways to destroy it!

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Greg, Brooklyn, NY — Thu, 09 Oct 2008 02:31:40 GMT

M from Chicago: that's very honorable of you to suggest that Illinois and Chicago should pay for the planetarium. But I think that improving the public's appreciation for science, especially children, is something all Americans can chip in on, regardless of where it is. Also, Illinois sends out more money in taxes than it receives in federal funds (unlike Arizona and especially Alaska). So, if some of that money comes back to Chicago in the form of a projector for a planetarium, I have no problem with that.

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Alan Boyle — Thu, 09 Oct 2008 02:33:01 GMT

Just to add a little more information...

The Wall Street Journal reported that the new projector would cost $3 million to $5 million, representing part of a $10 million upgrade for the theater. So far, $3 million to $4 million has been raised for the work, so there are already some contributions in the pipeline. The planetarium is on the list for earmarks in FY2009, put forward by Rep. Rahm Emanuel, D-Ill.:

http://www.house.gov/apps/list/press/
il05_emanuel/EARMARKS_FY2009.html

I will refrain from judging whether the planetarium should or shouldn't receive federal support, but I'm sure there are better examples that McCain could have used to make his point. Calling planetariums "foolishness" is sending the wrong message. I'll also note that the planetarium is part of the National Park Service's National Historic Landmarks Program:

http://tps.cr.nps.gov/nhl/detail.cfm?ResourceId=1983&ResourceType=Building

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Chaz Seattle, Wash — Thu, 09 Oct 2008 02:40:34 GMT

It's a Shame THAT ONE shroud chastise an other trying to give money to something that can help educate and inspire many while in the same breath proud about spending millions on their never-ending war..

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steve. nyc — Thu, 09 Oct 2008 02:45:07 GMT

carl zeiss rocks. mccain couldn't even shine his
shoes. or one of his lenses. planetariums rule.

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Ari S, San Jose, CA — Thu, 09 Oct 2008 02:59:31 GMT

There is pork (hundreds of millions for roads that are not overloaded or well used) and there are things that are appropriate, but have to be judged by the merits on the common good etc. ( $3m for something that is a internationally known resource, the Adler, that millions have seen over decades - even myself). The former should never have been asked for, the later probably need to be judged against other uses. In this case, the process worked and it never was funded. Every senator and representative is elected, in part, to raise local issues to federal level, and try to organize the power and funds of the federal government for a combination of local and national good. So in this case, I have no problem about the ask, nor a problem about it not getting funding.

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Joe, Indianapolis — Thu, 09 Oct 2008 03:05:35 GMT

Who paid for the original projector 40 years ago? I doubt it was the federal government. Most of our museums exist because of the individual philanthropy of the citizens. If they need a new projector then they should raise the funds themselves and not look for a government handout.

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Derek Benham, Columbia, Missouri — Thu, 09 Oct 2008 03:08:15 GMT

You may be talking bad about McCain here, but Obama's education plan calls for lessening the amount of research grants given to universities. I think that is a much bigger issue here.

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Alan Boyle — Thu, 09 Oct 2008 03:21:43 GMT

I have to give a shout-out to Doug Slauson, a.k.a. "Chief," my high-school stargazing buddy. Well, hurray, Doug!

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Guy — Thu, 09 Oct 2008 03:22:26 GMT

I have never been to chicago, but I am in the top 5% of taxpayers why should I pay for a planetarium that I will never visit and never have the chance to visit. This should be local government. If I decided to build a planetarium out in the hills of East Texas can I get you to pay for it.

I mean you to all of the people who are saying this a good plan.

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Tigran A. MD — Thu, 09 Oct 2008 03:22:42 GMT

Yes, we DO need federal money for science and propaganda of science, including Chicago Planetarium. Education of science is national priority and we shouldn't rely on fund raising, local money, city funds etc.

Didn't we find 3 million for rebuilding something similar in Iraq? Here we go again! I am so sorry that Adler didn't get federal money. It should.

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Andy, DeKalb, IL — Thu, 09 Oct 2008 03:27:22 GMT

Good lord. Talk about a drop in the hat. This Congress just approved a $700 BILLION bailout of Wall Street and we're whining about 3 million. Priorities people!

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Alan Boyle — Thu, 09 Oct 2008 03:41:15 GMT

Well, Guy, I'm betting that there's a little dollop of my money that has gone to support the McDonald Observatory (which I realize is in West Texas, not East Texas). And we did build you a nice big hole in the ground for $2 billion. ;-)

http://mcdonaldobservatory.org/news/releases/2008/0207.html
http://mcdonaldobservatory.org/news/releases/2006/0607.html
http://mcdonaldobservatory.org/news/releases/2004/0927.html

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John — Thu, 09 Oct 2008 03:51:59 GMT

He's having a senior moment. But let's spend 700 billion for corupt banks

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David Zimmerman, Singapore — Thu, 09 Oct 2008 03:59:13 GMT

Just shows how out of touch, out of date and technology illiterate McCain is. Being a 1960s war hero is clearly not enough to lead America in the 21st century.

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Kenn, Toronto, Canada — Thu, 09 Oct 2008 04:03:11 GMT

MCain made it sound like a multi-million dollar high school overhead projector. Would the educational value of investing in the planetarium upset the Republican base?

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sandy F. — Thu, 09 Oct 2008 04:10:47 GMT

I realized immediately that a planetarium projector is not just some "overhead projector" as potrayed by Sen. McCain. His ability to mischaracterize facts is of great concern. Pres. Bush lied to us to get us into Iraq. We don't trust him now when he says the economy will be fine. Neither does Wall Street or the world markets. Why should anyone trust Sen. McCain. They both seem like similiar people to me right now.

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Anthony, Peoria, AZ — Thu, 09 Oct 2008 04:13:17 GMT

Those who live in glass houses...Gov Palin received a lot of money from the Federal Government that was used for road repair and other highway projects. INITIALLY that money was EARMARKED for a bridge to nowhere. As a Senator or member of the House, it is your job to ask for funds to benefit your constituents. It is then up to all of the members to vote on what is most important. Somehow $3million for the upkeep of a place of learning appreciated by millions (not all people who visit Adler live in Illinois) was not deemed worthy but several HUNDRED Million was ok'd for a bridge that even those in Alaska felt was a bit much. Over one Hundred BILLION was tacked onto a bill to bailout Wall Street (if the bailout was so necessary, pork to make it more acceptable to the Senate and House should not have been required for passage).

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Mark R. Whittington, Houston, Texas — Thu, 09 Oct 2008 04:25:28 GMT

Alan, the McDonald Observatory has gotten a lot of DOD and NASA funding over the years. It would be interesting to find out how much came from earmarks and how much went through the normal appropriations process. McCain is not objecting to funding the planetarium per se. He is objecting to doing so through earmarks, a practice that fosters graft and corruption. He would prefer that such funding be done in the full light of day through the normal appropriations process. Implying that McCain is somehow "anti science" is a cheap shot and ignores the fact that he is against *all* earmarks, not just ones that Barack Obama favors.

I'm not sure why the "two billion dollar hole" came up. The super conducting super collider went through the normal appropriations process. Nevertheless, cost overruns and a certain hostility against "big science" on the part of Congressional Democrats (since we're being partisan here) combined to kill the project and thus cede to Europe leadership in high energy particle physics for a generation.

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Robert Lai, San Francisco, CA — Thu, 09 Oct 2008 04:50:17 GMT

I'm a former planetarium lecturer at Morrison Planetarium in San Francisco. If we don't fund our science museums, and we don't fund our schools, the question is: how will our children learn about the world around them?

http://shadowgm.diaryland.com/081009_27.html

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CCGZ — Thu, 09 Oct 2008 04:51:33 GMT

I am a taxpayer, and I have absolutely NO problem with my money going to anything having to do with the arts, sciences, and other educational projects. If it were up to McCain and his misers, we would have no public financing of anything remotely educational because their mentality is cut taxes, less government intrusion EXCEPT when abortion, death penalty, or anything defense or war related is mentioned.

Hypocrites of the worse kind and so, so selfish. I am so glad I live in an area where we don't look down on education and learning. What a sad place you detractors must live in.

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Former City Man with a nightly view of the Universe — Thu, 09 Oct 2008 05:05:42 GMT

John McCain knows all about that which he accuses others..... People have become so deadened by the current administrations raping of America that they've forgotten McCain's involvement with the Savings & Loan ripoff.

Feeding off of the Lint/Money from Keating's pocket, so that he could demonstrate his solidarity with Reagan's "Tinkle On" theory. you remember the theory that the rich get richer and you get tinkled on.
So, it comes as little surprise that McCain would never support such a public initiative. He doesn't even realize that the only places to see stars in any major city, from Chicago to Washingon DC are at the planetariums. Perhaps instead of looking up, he has been looking down at the people that he's been trickling on. Ask his Multi-millionaire wife. She knows his every move. I'm still waiting to hear from Bret and Bart (Maverick not Simpson.

For certain, this administration has me repeating over and over and over again, "I'm Bushed".

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John, Federal Way, WA — Thu, 09 Oct 2008 05:59:23 GMT

Thank you Alan Boyle for noting that the planetarium is part of the national park service. This makes a request for funds a valid one since it was seen in the past as something worth keeping. This changes its status from a local panetarium to a national planetarium. The fact is it was the first planetarium on this side of the globe back in 1930. Unless it is to be kept just as a museum piece some federal funding should be found if it is available.
I also do not think whether or not I intend on visiting a site should control if it gets funded. I do not ever intend on visiting the Alamo but I do not think it needs its funding cut.

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Bill, San Antonio — Thu, 09 Oct 2008 06:05:42 GMT

Instead of spending billions every month on the illegal, unnecessary, and immoral war in Iraq, we should be spending money like this to educate and advance our society. $3M is a tiny, tiny fraction of what we spend in a single day in Iraq. But instead of doing something positive for our country, McCain/Palin want to move us back to the dark ages. They won't rest until everyone is as uneducated and unaware as Sarah Palin.

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ray smith — Thu, 09 Oct 2008 06:42:03 GMT

Alan....politics or science...which is it?....maybe this is a good year to vote none of the above...This issue should have been addressed 20 years ago when they STILL HAD spare parts. A sinking fund probably was established back then for renovations but incompetence is now self evident. There is too much incompetance in the world for the taxpayer to correct.

If they want a world class planetarium, it will not come from pork....hey, I want a world class maglev line from my small town down to D.C. ...should we raise your taxes to pay for that?...I did not think so. Maybe someone would do right to write a nice little book, THE SCIENCE OF PORK. subtitle: robbing the nice americans blind with little white lie and absurd claims of majestry. I believe Chicago should have a nice planeterium, and, I believe Chicago should pay for it. Bottom line. end of story.

If they want federal monies, then come up with something REALLY world class, like a 3-D planeterium...AND...succesfully demonstrate that they can operate it well into the future WITH garuntees that that they (the operators) WILL fund it's perpetual maintenance, heck I might even consider lending them one of my 3D telescopic display inventions...But with their past performance as a guide, I insist they have a very high bar to clear, one thing is for sure, if they insist on using barracks ill-concieved, incorrectly weighted, and nancy blondolt like postulates where the factors are missing required exponents and the integrations are made with imaginary limits and the derivatives approch infinity and the divsors are variable based upon their best guess at what popular opinion wishes they were...well then, I would be very hard pressed to desire to show them how to make a 3D projection telescope fit for planeterium usage, let alone explain to them the basics of finite mathmatics....the real bottom line?...the taxpayers are already broke, so in the words of Gov. Rendall>>>>GET OVER IT!!! (like those florida voters really did not care that their votes were not immediatly counted...come to think of it..IN TWO ELECTIONS!!)....does anyone know if McCain voted while he was a prisoner of war? I do not know.

(yes I know it is a federal park, BUT, chicago DOES benefit and the pork winner is always the local political hero, tossed out if he does not bring in the bacon, not even an atta boy if he trims some fat...a simple records comparison oughta show anyone that, in terms of current events)

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Steve Cooperman, Los Angeles, Ca — Thu, 09 Oct 2008 06:50:20 GMT

As a long-time planetarium lecturer at Griffith Observatory in Los Angeles, I can say that there can be no value placed on being able to see an awe-inspiring rendition of the night sky. Whether it's funded locally or federally, too many people have lost contact with one of the primal ways people have always felt they were a part of the Universe, instead of apart FROM the Universe, and maybe that's one thing that's lacking in today's world -- we're missing a closeness and empathy for the world around us. For part of Griffith's renovation, there WAS a Federal grant, plus state, plus local, plus private. As long as the Feds are meddling with education (and I think they have every right to set national standards), then it behooves locals to seek Federal assistance. I don't fault Obama for wanting to do something that increases people's awareness of the night sky.

I DO fault Palin for seeking earmarks greater per capita than any other governor in the U.S.

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ariel anders, santa fe, nm 87505 — Thu, 09 Oct 2008 08:48:45 GMT

hi, i was amazed that mccain said this last night, but then.. he would have NO CLUE what this projector even does... i'm incredibly poor.. (yea.. take out your little violins and sing me a sad song! LOL) but i am single and i will survive.. so i am able to COMMIT $20 dollars to you now. it's not much, but like i said, it's all i can really do. i'm helping the obama campaign, but once again.. it's not with money, but it's with things i am doing for them here in local santa fe, nm offices. science is a major power in teh world.. and if we can't even demonstrate to our children what it's about.. how do we get them hooked? getting a kid hooked on science is awesome! i would LOVE to make them a gravity junkie!!! :D :D :D

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Rob Toole, Greenbay, Wi. — Thu, 09 Oct 2008 09:04:16 GMT

I agree with Joan, Why spend millions on war defense when we can spend it on education and America's future.

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Tom, Tampa, Florida — Thu, 09 Oct 2008 09:08:22 GMT

Well, McCain has us on this one. Getting kids interested in science is such a waste of money! Clearly our spending priorities should be buying out people that bought houses they couldn't afford, making sure huge Wall Street firms never suffer a loss, or funding an endless war in Iraq.

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Steve — Thu, 09 Oct 2008 10:27:53 GMT

"Yes, we DO need federal money for science and propaganda of science, including Chicago Planetarium. Education of science is national priority and we shouldn't rely on fund raising, local money, city funds etc. "

Do we really? I mean America isn't the brightest bunch anymore. We hardly graduate 5000 CS Network Engineers a year compared to China, India, and Korea's 150,000 Cisco certified engineers. In the info technology area, these countries leave us in the industrial age... and we're sucking at that too. And of 5000 we do graduate, many of them are from Asia on student visas anyways. So why not just replace the 3am call to the white house with tech support call to Bombay?

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J Anne Baker Montgomergy AL 36109 — Thu, 09 Oct 2008 10:37:42 GMT

Planetariums give us perspective on the size and magnificence of the universe. They teach children why they must take good care of the eareth, this rare little ballin space with its air turning brown and its trees being burnt away. Sen. McCain says he never asks for earmarks. I taught the Apaches in Arizona and know that Sen. McCain didn't lift a finger for them in ANY way. High rolling gambler that the casinos there love, the Senator sat on the Indian Board and allowed a copper mine to take over Apache territory and destroy sacred grounds, while polluting and destroying their land. There aren't enough books, the water is poisoned with heavy metals, as are the fish, because the government secretly poisoned the cottonwood trees lining the Big Salty River, to destroy the trees so there would be 'more water' to reach Phoenix, etc. What actually happened is that the trees died, and the water was exposed to landslides, silting, evaporation, and so much heat that LESS water ended up reaching Phoenix. I could not find a single thing that Mccain did for the poorest of Arizona's exploited poor -- the Apaches. At least Sen. Obama tried to do something for the community. I don;t see Obama spending his holidays gambling in casinos....in AZ, the money which is supoposed to reach all the Indians only goes to a few...and just close your eyes and uess where the rest goes. This is in contrast to Louisiana, where the Chitimacha Indians each personally get a check from the casinos each year. That will NEVER happen in AZ as long as the casinos know how to curry favor with powerful Senators there. The Apaches are a proud and good people who deserve better. I think it's wrong to have ANY white man sitting on the Indian Board, let alone silver-spoon McCain. I am a 65 year old white woman with 15 yrs' experience teaching, who has had recent experience teaching on the reservations in Arizona. Many try to help out....it would have been good to have seen anti-intellectual Mccain doing ANYthing for the Apaches that was truly to their benefit, all those years.

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JaveKat, Roll, MO — Thu, 09 Oct 2008 10:52:09 GMT

I have to agree with both sides. It should be funded and I tend to think that since it's a part of the National Park Service's National Historic Landmarks Program it should be National Funding. However, it is used primarily by Chicago and the surrounding areas, so maybe Illinois should match the funds. It definitely is an educational project. As a former h.s. science teacher, I loved taking my students to our planetarium because I knew someone was going to be inspired. McCain doesn't even use a computer, so how would he know what's technilogically necessary and what isn't? Yet, Biden is scary too, in that he wants to tax the Internet. I'm glad to hear both sides being debated, though, like they do over at PoliticalSlavery.com.

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Tracey, Atlanta Ga — Thu, 09 Oct 2008 11:08:40 GMT

Maybe some good can come out of this. Sen. McCain just brought attention nationally to something that is needed in Chicago. I agree that it should be paid for locally but I would be interested to see how mony people visit the planetarium are not from IL or Chicago. Now that millions know of the problem, a fundraiser would more likely raise more money. They just got some of the best advertisement they could ask for.

I have always wanted to visit Adler but have never gotten the chance to. Its funny when someone says that they dont want their federal taxes paying for stuff they will never use. Good luck with that.

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Kathy, Atlanta — Thu, 09 Oct 2008 12:03:41 GMT

3 million to teach children or 10 billion a week to kill or 120 million for a bridge to no where.
McCain is quite the hypocrit when it comes to pork!!

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Karen, Milwaukee, WI — Thu, 09 Oct 2008 12:04:14 GMT

Where's the Oprah money when you need it?

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Rob, Warwick, NY — Thu, 09 Oct 2008 12:07:43 GMT

McCain was playing to his base.....they don't give a damn about science.

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David Martin, Leavenworth, KS — Thu, 09 Oct 2008 12:34:23 GMT

I see Alan has missed the point. I'm sure Guy did not ask for any federal money for the project you are talking about. Planetariums may be nice but I don't think the federal money should be used for one unless it's in D.C.. Shame on all of you that want to force others to foot your bill. :-)

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K, Louisville Kentucky — Thu, 09 Oct 2008 12:41:09 GMT

Why should I, in Kentucky have to pay for a Chicago projector? Taxation without representation.

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Chuck, North Liberty, Iowa — Thu, 09 Oct 2008 12:42:00 GMT

Tsk tsk

Chicago can buy their own projector, that is the point. Also, dont trust Obama with education money, he will forego [academics] for political activism. Just do some research on your own and stop eating whatever you are fed. i still love your coloumn Mr. Boyle

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K, Louisville Kentucky — Thu, 09 Oct 2008 12:43:04 GMT

A drop in the bucket? So if EVERY senator asked for 3 Million dollars from every special interest group to fund ever little project from the Federal Government, it would amount to HUGE debt! Its time that individual states start funding their own projects in their own budgets- not from other tax payers in other states.

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Rhonda, Portage, MI — Thu, 09 Oct 2008 12:51:28 GMT

IF this country had a equitable and fair tax system, IF this country wasn't wasting millions and billions for war and rebuilding a country that doesn't want us there, IF this country didn't use billions to get us out of a financial hole that a very elite greedy few dug us into (only to go out and spend that money on more frivolous pursuits), then this country would have the money to spend on the education of our youth of this country.

It is true that one of the reasons we elect federal officials is to make sure that we get federal assistance at the local level. They are our VOICE in Washington. The representitives of Illinois (not only Obama) did their JOB when they voiced this proposal to their collegues. The only shame of this is that they didn't get the funding. Just one more victim of the overall incredibly shrinking federal funding of the education of America and her children. Just remember that when the scientists and engineers of China and India take over the world.

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Obamanist — Thu, 09 Oct 2008 12:58:47 GMT

its a wast of taxpayer money either way

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Seth Eugene Or — Thu, 09 Oct 2008 13:17:17 GMT

McCain has been fact checked on several negative accusations against Obama. McCain is good at construing information to be used to his advantage. The 3 mil earmarked for this project was only a small part of the total amount needed. There have been other avenues of funding requests, but you can’t get that type of funding solely from selling cookies and putting a Pepsi logo on the front of the building. McCain is misleading the public intentionally to his advantage.

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Stacey Northern NJ — Thu, 09 Oct 2008 13:17:58 GMT

Is everyone skipping over the part that states that other states have gotten FEDERAL FUNDS for their planetarium projectors? With everything else taxpayers will be paying for, do you really think most are going to be OK with an additional tax for a projector? Probably not, why not let the Federal Governemnt pay for it, it's not like they are super excited to pay for any other educational programs, may as well let them pay for at least ONE!

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Mike Williams, Altus, OK — Thu, 09 Oct 2008 13:25:40 GMT

3 Million into the observatory to attract lots of people and al-Qaida walks in and blows the place up just because we wanted to see the stars instead of protecting our lives. Priorities seem to have been the point McCain was making. In the scale of things that little and very expensive projector is not much more than a common overhead projector when compared to keeping nuclear weapons from being carried into our ports and cities or the $37,000 each one of us now owe in government debt on top of our personal debt. If half the people complaining had any intelligence at all they could have understood what was said. But it must have gone over their heads.

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Jill Lynn, Sacramento CA — Thu, 09 Oct 2008 13:36:32 GMT

A desperate attemp on Sen. McCain's part to make Sen. Obama look bad - he has nothing so must grasp at straws. The earmark system is abused and loaded with pork in the billions- but is also used for good, legitimate projects such as highway infrastructure repairs and restoration of historic buildings. Sen. Obama and the other Illinois reps used it appropriately. Sen. Obama discusses the funding request openly on his website.

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john linstrom, Polson, MT — Thu, 09 Oct 2008 13:39:47 GMT

No one should receive any tax money to do anything, right? And if your state gets more tax dollars than it gives, the country should own your state. No taxes, no pork, no funds, no spending! I'm right, everyone else is wrong and I'm not gonna budge until everyone agrees with me! We don't need al Quieda, we are our own worst enemy. Blockheads, morons, liars.
**SHEESH**

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Ed E, Greenfield, MA — Thu, 09 Oct 2008 13:43:29 GMT

McCain calling the this device an OP is lunacy
Obama asking taxpayers to foot the bill is lunacy
AB saying that we've done it before so we should do it again is lunacy
Giving loans to people without credit history or means is lunacy
Giving 3 MM, just because its small compared to 700 B, is lunacy
Rewarding CEO's for failed companies is lunacy
There is a lot of lunacy being practiced on a daily basis - it needs to stop. It will be painful, but it has to be ended.

At some point we need to start passing legislation without added sweeteners. BOTH F'in PARTIES need to stop this lunacy

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James Chapman, Tallahassee, Florida — Thu, 09 Oct 2008 13:45:43 GMT

"...the planetarium is part of the National Park Service's National Historic Landmarks Program"

Thanks Alan for this information...I was wondering myself why this facility should receive federal dollars, but you've provided a perfectly acceptable reason. Hundreds of millions of dollars are spent each year (wisely and for the present and future of our nation) on over 300 national parks, monuments and historical sites that frankly, most of us will never see, however, we and those with national foresight understand that these properties must be maintained and protected for each generation. This is a fine earmark and now that I know of it's existence, if I and my family are ever able to visit Chicago, I will make a point of visiting!

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Ryan, Chicago — Thu, 09 Oct 2008 13:53:17 GMT

I don't think some of you actually read the article. First off, both LA's and NYC's planetariums received federally funded projectors. The legislation in context for the Adler projector didn't even pass!!

If you do the math, including the assumed lifespan of the projector being 40 years, it works out to about $0.00025 per person ($3million over 40 years). You don't think you can afford 25 millionths of a cent? That sounds a lot less then the average $400 per person ($10BILLION a MONTH) we are sending off to Iraq each year.

One more time for all of you McCain supporters who decided not to read the full article, the legislation did not pass and the $3mil was not spent!!!

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Mark, Chicago, Ill. — Thu, 09 Oct 2008 14:01:02 GMT

Let me get this straight: a $3 million investment in science that could conceivably be used for another 40 years and inspire tens of millions of young people is now considered pork? What's wrong with us? Sounds like an enormous bargain. Instead of spending Billions each month in Iraq, we should be spending Millions each month helping to educate our youth (and not charging them an admission fee). It's not only money well spent, it should be our top priority.

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Eric, Va — Thu, 09 Oct 2008 14:02:12 GMT

Adler Planetarium charges Admission Prices from $14-$23, where does that go? Paul Knappenberger pocket?
They have had 40 years to plan for a new projector. Space education is a good thing, but FEDERAL Earmarks are not.
If this was for the Smithsonian Institution, a FEDERAL Institution, that would be a different story.

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Eric, Salinas, CA — Thu, 09 Oct 2008 14:05:45 GMT

Such a pity that "Science Hater" McCain would single out a science project like a planetarium projector for Chicago to exhibit his christian hatred for real science. The repugnant ones have been at war with science ever since Ronny Raygunz. The only science the repugnant ones like is the science of killing people faster.

Thanks Alan for showing us real science lovers that the science community will not lay down and surrender to the small minded crowd who hates real science.

Only Obama/Biden will bring real science back to the White House.

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George, Chicago, IL — Thu, 09 Oct 2008 14:12:33 GMT

I'm in the top 5% and I will never visit Arizona, nor use their roads and hospitals, so why doesn't the federal govt. stop funding all of McCain's pork in Arizona. I believe the roads and hospitals in Arizona and especially Alaska (king of all states in per capita pork spending) should get private citizens and local govt to fund their roads, hospitals, schools and everything else they have. Vote for ignorant Repugnites.

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Tim, Schaumburg, IL — Thu, 09 Oct 2008 14:14:51 GMT

I am from Chicagoland, and I enjoy and value the planetarium, but this should NOT be federally funded. I don't care if it's $3 million or $300 million this should be absorbed by the planetarium through donations and local taxes. Unless of course Cook County can't afford it with the highest sales tax in the country.

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Howard Paris — Thu, 09 Oct 2008 14:23:15 GMT

I would rather buy a million "overhead projectors" than have had Bush waste 3 trillion on Iraq.

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JoAnne, Phoenix, AZ — Thu, 09 Oct 2008 14:35:20 GMT

Alan Boyle, may we depend on you to forward comments so that they actually reach their targets (McCain, Obama, Chicago, and even a few still-existing private benefactors such as our Gates, Pickens and leftover banks...)?

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Russ R. , Naperville, IL — Thu, 09 Oct 2008 14:45:26 GMT

I have read The Constitution, and there is nothing in there about funding Planetarium upgrades. If you want to take money from the entire nation to fund local issues, then amend the Constitution to allow it. We are allowing Washington to exceed their mandate, and nowhere is this more evident, than the pork barrel spending, on local concerns. The Congress has become a bunch of greedy little pigs all fighting to spend our money, before someone else gets it first. When you promote that attitude, you hasten the failure of trust, in our economic system.

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KJ, GULFPORT, FL — Thu, 09 Oct 2008 14:58:32 GMT

You'all know about the earmark for studying bears in Montana that MCShame keeps bringing up?????...........
well, guess what?? HE VOTED FOR IT!!!! DUHHHHHHHH!!!

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Allen R — Thu, 09 Oct 2008 15:02:24 GMT

Let's face it, McCane is a Luddite and a borderline illiterate as well. Just exactly what we don't need in a 21st century White House.

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JDP — Thu, 09 Oct 2008 15:04:34 GMT

Use of federal tax dollars for any project should be considered carefully for its merit. When anybody selectively uses only one such project for propaganda purpose during election season is not how you tackle this issue. Also all such projects that request funding should be made public at the time so public can voice their concerns on the merit.

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Jeff D, Bel Air, MD — Thu, 09 Oct 2008 15:07:25 GMT

I've often heard about earmarks that Obama has requested f/ Ill and The planetarium in Chicago as a particular case in point.

Has any one ever checked to see if McCain has gone his whole career w/o asking f/ any earmarks f/ any organization in AZ?

He is certainly 'talking the talk' against earmarks but has he always 'walked the walk' against them?

How much, if any earmarks have been requested by McCain over time and adjusted for inflation has it been more or less than Obama’s?

How much did Palin request that the congressional delegation from Alaska have inserted into the federal budget? (Why should Alaska be getting ANY earmarks for ANYTHING as long as they have so much money in their state budget that they can afford to give most of the state’s citizens be getting a handout? Or is that a separate question that we in the ‘lower 48’ be asking?)

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Matt, NJ — Thu, 09 Oct 2008 15:07:32 GMT

We spend 10bil. on Iraq in one month. We can't find 3mil to help out a planetarium in Chicago? Lets get our priorities in order.

Isn't that exactly what elected officials are supposed to do for their constituents when in Congress? Work to better their lives through monies they've paid to the Federal Gov?

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wayne dieckhaus owensville mo — Thu, 09 Oct 2008 15:18:38 GMT

I believe that the federal government has no place in paying for any pork barrel. I would prefer the government let me keep more of my money which then allows me decide what projects to support. If I had more of my tax dollars I may be able to buy better health care or pay my morgage payment or donate to buying a projector to further education.

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John Doe, Seattle, Wash — Thu, 09 Oct 2008 15:22:56 GMT

No surprise McCain is not interested in teaching young people about science and technology.

This isn't something he's personally interested in - since he can't even operate a computer.

If he had some intellectual curiosity he might be better able to relate to Americans - and be a better candidate.

McCain is lost in space!

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Phil O — Thu, 09 Oct 2008 15:24:07 GMT

H.G Wells said it best --- "Human history becomes more and more a race between education and catastrophe."

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Fred - Denver CO — Thu, 09 Oct 2008 15:25:29 GMT

The best news is that it was not funded. Why should tax payers all over the country fund a projector for Chicago? All earmarks should be eliminated and the only funding be made by stand alone bills.

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Dave, OK — Thu, 09 Oct 2008 15:31:11 GMT

It may not be the best for our individual pocketbooks, but public investment in science and science education at the federal level passes the test of cost-benefit analysis, and ultimately means more Amercians have the opportunity to experience science in a meanignful way that doesn't involve reading academic journals, which most folks can't comprehend anyway. Just becasue you don't plan to visit the planetarium doesn't mean it won't benefit you. If we don't fund our national resources federally, they will degrade. The federal government does and should fund planetariums, and they will eventually appropriate some funds for this projector, though it might not end up being the full $3 million that was requested.

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Brian, Encino, CA — Thu, 09 Oct 2008 15:31:47 GMT

It was a stupid example of an earmark by McCain, nobody will get riled up about a planetarium getting a new projector.

But that doesn't mean McCain is wrong about earmarks. The problem isn't necessarily the government is helping cities with money, but that earmarks are silently slipped into bills whose title has nothing to do with the allocated funds. So Congressmen end up having to approve countless earmarks if they want the bills to pass, and don't know all of what they're signing for.

ALL earmarks are bad.

If Obama wanted to fund a projector, the best thing he could have done is wrote a bill on allocating funds to scientific institutions.

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Tim, San Diego, California — Thu, 09 Oct 2008 15:33:33 GMT

The federal government should support the renovation of planetariums in whatever city they happen to exist. Further the federal government should assist in building new planetariums in any large city in the US that wants one and doesn't have one. Science education should be a national priority. McCain has a problem thinking about long term strategy and this is just another example of it. He's out of touch with our future.

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Dave K. Seattle Wa — Thu, 09 Oct 2008 15:34:34 GMT

When Sarah Palin goes back to being the Alaska governor, will she live up to her rhetoric and refuse all earmarks aimed for her state? I doubt it. I heard McCain does not request earmarks for Arizona so at least he's consistent.

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John D — Thu, 09 Oct 2008 15:47:02 GMT

When a loosing candidate knows he won't win he usually revert to crap flicking. 3 Million that would benefit and inspire people to do something useful for the whole country can't even compare to the ridiculous amount of money being thrown away in Iraq.

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Sad — Thu, 09 Oct 2008 15:47:37 GMT

330 million plus people in the US....
$3 million for a new one....
LESS THAN a penny a person...

stop being such a scrooge....

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uwe fruendt san felipe baja mex. — Thu, 09 Oct 2008 15:54:40 GMT

lets nsee, if i got this right. MC CAIN voted 200 mill for the bridge to nowere in alasca!!! but 3mill. for the projector, wich edjucates mill. of shoolchildrenis tooooooooo much i chaged my party affiliation from REPUBLICAN to DEMOCRAT yesterday. mc cain your way of thinking is fundamentily wrong

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Chris, long-time supporter of the Miami Space Transit Planetarium — Thu, 09 Oct 2008 15:58:37 GMT

Greetings, greetings fellow Star Gazers!

If McCain wants any chance of winning this election, he needs to fire his advisers today. McCain is much smarter than his recent appearances and campaign tactics reflect, and it is apparent his GOP handlers are grasping at straws instead of playing to McCain's strengths. Consequently, McCain is losing the independent voters, big time. Going after Obama on the planetarium projector (which I am sure some junior GOP researcher thought would be great) was just plain stupid because: (a) its hard to argue against educational and cultural outlays (as opposed to boondogles like the bridge to nowhere) and not look like a neanderthal; and (b) Palin, McCain's supposedly "tough on earmarks" veep candidate, took in or accepted as much or more pork than Obama ever did, only rejecting it when it had unpleasant strings attached. I used to be a big McCain supporter (back when he really was a maverick), but as the GOP front-runner, it is apparent the hard righters have put their stamp on him, not vice-versa (they obviously scuttled his preference to have Joe Lieberman be his veep candidate (a long time friend) because Lieberman is pro choice; McCain should have stuck to his principles instead of caving in and acquiescing to Palin (someone he had never even met before)). If anything, it is a shame a federal grant could not be arranged for the projector in Chicago, because those projectors are unbelievably complicated and expensive pieces of equipment. If you've never been to a planetarium show, you owe it to yourself. Sure, more local and private money should be raised (I am quite certain the museum is trying it's darndest to get it), but if the feds support educational and cultural stuff like this, its hard to argue against it. $500 hammers and $2,000 toilet seats, sure. Cost overruns in the Pentagon. Go after them! But not this. A planetarium projector is not waste, pork, or anything else: its educational. Shouldn't goverments support that? I mean, isn't this still a civilized nation? So, McCain, you need to fire your GOP minders and be the McCain of old if you want to win this thing, and leave the projector alone. And as the Star Hustler says: "Keep looking up."

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score keeper — Thu, 09 Oct 2008 16:04:01 GMT

I wonder how much if any federal funds went to the observatory on MT. Graham, AZ and if the Honorable Senator from the Grand Canyon had any part in requesting those funds?

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PaulE, Louisville, KY — Thu, 09 Oct 2008 16:06:28 GMT

New York's Bob Dineo:
"We need to stop ourselves. Just because others waist money, we don't need to encourage more waist."

Living in an increasingly obese America, these typos are funny on so many levels...

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JDP, Jersy City, NJ — Thu, 09 Oct 2008 16:23:51 GMT

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Another Mama for Obama Barrington, RI — Thu, 09 Oct 2008 16:32:41 GMT

What people fail to realize is that federal grants provide money for jobs (namely those working at my husband's company which provides services to museums). If the Red Cross and healthcare institutions can't get enough private funding to pay for their projects, I think it's naive to think that Education and the Arts will get enough private money to pay for theirs. In the 21st century we will need more scientist to take on the numerous energy and environmental projects on our planet. Fostering an interest in science through a visit to a museum is a first step in the careers of our future scientists. One person's "pork" is another's investment in the future. Anyway I'm sure this planetarium would have a lot more local and visiting users than any of Alaska's bridges to nowhere.

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Joe Mama, Chicago, IL — Thu, 09 Oct 2008 16:35:37 GMT

I have been to the Adler Planetarium several times in my life, and I cannot wait to take my young children there. However the educational benefit of the dome projector is minimal at best. The type of information learned can be gathered from research in a book...and this type of research is memorable because of the effort involved. The Adler dome is nothing more than a "movie theatre" for astronomical textbooks. And we all should know how movies tend to abbreviate story books to the point of missing many details.

The pork needs to go - everywhere.

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Nobama, Nobama, IL — Thu, 09 Oct 2008 16:37:45 GMT

Excuse me but why should the federal govt be paying $3,000,000 for a projector in Chicago? Thank you for opposing this Mr. McCain!

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OneVoice, Frederick MD — Thu, 09 Oct 2008 16:46:57 GMT

And if we could balance the budget and pay off the national debt, we could use the money we spend on interest each year to fund these wonderful small projects that enhance our lives. This isn't about whether it was good to spend the money or not, it's about whether we can afford it.

How many of you have rolling debt each month. How many of you buy kewl things on your credit cards knowing you won't have the money for them. the issue isn't the size of the Federal pork or if it was to be spent on something worthy, it's about irresponsible children in a toy store and We The People have given them a blank check!

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Mike Oakley, Charlotte NC — Thu, 09 Oct 2008 16:56:59 GMT

All this while supporting the $10 billion a month spent in Iraq. In a 31 day month that is over $13 million an hour. Less than 15 minutes of Iraq funding for science and education. I don't believe we need 4 more years of this level of non-support for what is truely meaningful to the future of this country.

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Give poor people a choice Delta Co — Thu, 09 Oct 2008 17:01:38 GMT

That is the whole problem..everybody wants a little that adds up to alot. This country is in serious trouble so everyone needs to put up and shut up. If you have the money and want the projector, do the right thing and send them a donation. Don't force everone to pay. We all need to help each other by helping ourselves.

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Mike, Newport, KY — Thu, 09 Oct 2008 17:03:03 GMT

Part of the reason we are in the current financial mess is that we have been spending beyond our means. Our elected friends in Washington are a large part of this current crisis. As a nation we need to prioritize our spending, just as the financial market's bill that recently passed has earmarks for wooden arrows, our representatives in both the Senate and Congress need to be more responsible with OUR MONEY!!!

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Rob Corelli, Concord, MA — Thu, 09 Oct 2008 17:07:13 GMT

I visited the Adler as a child and enjoyed it, as did my children. However, this it is not appropriate to expend federal tax dollars on something like this. This needs to be supported by donations are user fees. If these are not sufficient, then the market is not willing to pay for it, and neither am I.

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Faith, Tampa — Thu, 09 Oct 2008 17:07:55 GMT

McCain is just loath to the idea that planetariums put forth..the whole "earth is round" thing never sat well with him. Neither does "earth is getting warmer."

He's trying to distract. His whole campaign has been about how much he can distract people from the issues. He's good at it.

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Chris, Miami — Thu, 09 Oct 2008 17:10:03 GMT

While I think the planetarium projector was a very bad example for McCain, the issue of earmarks or pork is still a valid one. The only way to kill it off is to pass a single subject amendment to the U.S. Constitution, thereby prohibiting Congress from passing these huge omnibus bills that cover so many different subjects that no one legislator really knows what is in them (or, to get one thing you really want, you have to vote for something you don't want - i.e., "logrolling"). Each act of Congress, or appropriation, should be accepted or rejected without reference to unrelated matters. Consider this, my proposed 28th Amendment to the U.S. Constitution:

"Congress shall pass no law embracing more than one subject and matters properly connected therewith. The budget for each department of the federal goverment shall be passed independently of every other department, and all other federal appropriations shall be passed independently of any other appropriations. The use of the omnibus budget procedure is hereby abolished."

I am sure Congress would cringe at the prospect of actually having to work for a living, but until you get the quid-pro-quo out of the process, you'll never get rid of the pork.

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Jim, Chicago, Illinois — Thu, 09 Oct 2008 17:14:01 GMT

I live in Chicago and have been to the Adler Planetarium many times and paid an entry fee every time. So what's that money being used for?

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ScarecrowInOZ — Thu, 09 Oct 2008 17:20:58 GMT

But everyone knows , the universe is only 6000 years old, and why should we spend millions of dollars on what is obviously teaching "bad science" to our good Right Wing Christian children...........

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Alan Boyle — Thu, 09 Oct 2008 17:23:10 GMT

Jim: I'm not familiar with the finances of the Adler Planetarium, but I'm pretty sure that entry fee goes to daily operations at the planetarium and not to capital expenditures. It's a sad fact that if it were up to "free market forces" alone, pretty much all the museums in the country would be closed down. Entry fees almost assuredly do not cover the expense of keeping the doors open, let alone offering the educational programs that museums and science centers offer.

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John Sassaman, Center City, MN — Thu, 09 Oct 2008 17:28:57 GMT

Projector for the good,
The Planetarium Projector in Chicago is enjoyed and used as an educational tool for people from all over. As the money requested was part of an upgrade/maintenance for the facility, and since it touches so many people, I see nothing wrong with Requesting support from the US Government. The people it touches may very well be our next great thinkers, who will ponder how best to solve current and future problems. Without such inspiration such as this planetarium, we will all be much worse off.

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Ben Rogers — Thu, 09 Oct 2008 17:29:29 GMT

Why is the government paying for this? They charge for entry into the planetariums (an arm and a leg by comparison to a movie theatre!). Why can't they raise the money themselves? It's utterly ridiculous that tax dollars have to subsidize this thing--and even more onerous that it's *Federal* taxes. So, someone who lives in Miami and will never in their life go to Chicago or New York has to pay for the projector? (And, even if they go, they *still* have to pay to get in?!)

Total boondoggle. Total waste of tax money. The whole program should be nixed.

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RogerM, Reno, NV — Thu, 09 Oct 2008 17:31:08 GMT

Let them replace their junk out of their budget instead of milking the Feds for the money. How long did they know that it would have to be replaced, and did they budget one lousy dime for it? Nope!!
I'm sick of us paying for every new thing out there.

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Michele T — Thu, 09 Oct 2008 17:35:03 GMT

Isn't anti-intellectualism the 'mavericky' way to be? LOL! Maybe he's thinking about those projectors from the 60's-70's tee-hee...or maybe he got confused and wandered into the old audio-visual archive room.

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Linda — Thu, 09 Oct 2008 17:35:18 GMT

"The bill would direct $2 million annually over five years to establish a center at a specified law school to honor a renowned jurist from the state. While the goal may be laudable, some critics say, the measure is a classic case of lawmakers' trying to funnel money directly to a home-state institution for a project that should find financing elsewhere."

http://www.nytimes.com/2006/02/18/politics/18earmark.html

That's right, the Maverick introduced a bill in 2006 that included $10 million for a center at an Arizona University dedicated to William Rehnquist! $10 MILLION in PORK for a tribute!! Yup, THAT ONE introduced the bill!

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dan burbank, seattle wa — Thu, 09 Oct 2008 17:37:56 GMT

As sad fact that no one is pointing out here is the nature of Pork. One mans pork, is another mans job.
I personally work in a industry that does not benefit from the stuff but I recognize that many a economically depressed area has benefitted from "pork" projects that not only make jobs, but they also put in place infrastructure that is needed by the community. A educational projector for a major Planetarium seams like a good use of money.
I will bet the bank that EVERY SINGLE person commenting here has benefitted form some federal pork. What is it that is said about people in glass houses and throwing stones?

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Ed E, Greenfield MA — Thu, 09 Oct 2008 17:38:44 GMT

Alan,

Clearly, basketball is more entertaining.

Wouldn't it be cool if people would cough up $50 to visit the museum.

America clearly has its priorities in order.

BOTH PARTIES ARE TO BLAME!!!!!!!!!!

EITHER CANDIDATE IS MORE OF THE SAME

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J Quinlan — Thu, 09 Oct 2008 17:41:11 GMT

It is science that will help guide us out of the myriad of self inflicted problems with which we are saddled with today. It doesn't surprise me that someone like McCain wouldn't see the value in a lowly projector for a Planetarium. God ! It might inspire thousands of young people to join the field of Science and who someday may return the favor by helping to save our own skins.

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Grady, Brookhaven, Mississippi — Thu, 09 Oct 2008 17:49:51 GMT

This article misses the entire point.

John McCain is not against public money for telescopes, planetariums, or science. He is opposed to the PROCESS which was used to attempt to obtain funding for this project.

McCain has voted consistently for fiscal accountability, and the Constitutional principle that Congress must vote specifically to allocate public money.

The earmarking process allows individual legislators to allocate money instead. Although this instance of earmarking may not have led to fraud, waste, influence peddling, or other abuse, the PROCESS is flawed and John McCain has voted consistently against it regardless of the individual project.

Even if the amount of money is small, we need more oversight over how our public money is spent. It should not be left to the whims of individual legislators or bureaucrats.

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John J Kish — Thu, 09 Oct 2008 17:50:55 GMT

I have been a long time fan of the planitarium and the study of the stars and their movements. The funding of museums and planatatiums, gardens etc. is a local matter and should not be a national one at any time. However, considering the financial mess we are ALL in- does it make sense to spend more money when we don't have any? Is there any one out there that understands you can't spend what you don't have or is that just to old fashioned for all you scholars out there? You can't buy what you can't afford! Is it that hard?

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Ross Homer, Anchorage, AK — Thu, 09 Oct 2008 17:53:02 GMT

Actually, when I heard the comments in the debate, the first thing that struck me is the Republican credo of "keeping them dumb." They're usually the first to holler "education," and the first to cut funding for education. The Planetarium in question is unquestionably an educational tool. Ergo...kill the projector and you can keep even more people ignorant.

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Ryan, Tampa FL — Thu, 09 Oct 2008 17:53:14 GMT

"Why should I, in Kentucky have to pay for a Chicago projector? Taxation without representation. " - K, Louisville Kentucky

I think someone missed the point of the Boston Tea Party. You are represented by your respective state Representatives and Senators.

As a federal facility they are entitled to apply for federal funding pending approval of the legislative branch which every state is represented in. This appears to be another example of McCain bringing up a non issue to try to slant voter perspective. As a Senator for IL why wouldn't Obama represent his states interest in voting for something that helps the state that elects him as well as the out of state crowds that visit their museum every year? Give me a break.

"Do we really? I mean America isn't the brightest bunch anymore. We hardly graduate 5000 CS Network Engineers a year compared to China, India, and Korea's 150,000 Cisco certified engineers." - Steve

That sounds like quitter talk. If we truely believe that not funding our childrens education or fueling their scientific interest is going to save us money in the long run, we should be living in the Congo with huts made out of straw and stop sending our kids to college or even high school we could save billions and billions of dollars by doing that.

I can't honestly say that 3M dollars spent there is in the best interest of our country in our current economic state but as a Senator of IL he should be fighting for it. And our state representatives that don't feel it's in their state/countries over all best interest should be fighting against it. That is how a democratic society works. This whole discussion just leads me to believe that Obama is actually doing a good job for IL maybe he can work for the rest of us too.

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Jim Farley, London, England — Thu, 09 Oct 2008 18:13:21 GMT

Thank you for bringing this to light. Heh heh. Really though, I'm an ex-pat, and I'm so scared I'll have to spend the next four years defending my country when I know that the electorate has chosen another poor leader. It gets old after a while. With all due respect, Senator McCain would do his campaign and all the people behind it a great service if he stopped twisting facts to discredit Senator Obama. It reeks of desperation.

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C Indiana — Thu, 09 Oct 2008 18:27:03 GMT

Why must Chicago pay for the Adler when NY and LA were able to receive federal funding? I would think NY and LA have more than enough philanthropists, wealthy and ordinary citizens to also aid in the cost.

How can we expect some ordinary citizens to donate money when they cannot even pay for their own gas?

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Peter, White Hall, MI — Thu, 09 Oct 2008 18:34:18 GMT

Why should I (in rural Michigan) pay for Chicago's projector? You spent $12 million on a chrome bean in the park... and Obama thinks that the rest of us should help pay for your fancy city toys? I didn't realize that planetariums were basic human rights. We don't have one here in White Hall, Michigan.

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none — Thu, 09 Oct 2008 18:45:22 GMT

I thought it was odd that McCain would mention this. However, 3 million for a projector doesn't seem like it should be a priority at this point in time.

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Maxwell Theorem, Phoenix, Arizona. — Thu, 09 Oct 2008 19:03:48 GMT

Thanks, Alan, for bringing up this important subject.

Spending money to inspire young people in education, science, engineering and technology (as funding planetarium infrastructure does) pays for itself many, many times over, by creating the next generation of American engineers, scientists, and others who invent, innovate, contribute, and increase our economic standing. It's a wonderful investment.

Senator McCain, in one sentence, managed to annoy and alienate a huge swath of intelligent scientists and educators with his glib and inaccurate comment. No wonder his poll numbers are plummeting. People in this country still care about science and education as a benchmark of world standing and excellence.

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Jason-Kansas — Thu, 09 Oct 2008 19:06:07 GMT

I think most people are missing the entire point: McCain/Palin and our current Administration are so ignorant they refuse to increase spending on education. (Meanwhile spending on Prisons has increased 5-fold) McCain's comments do not surprise me, what's surprising is that McCain is not wiser in his old, very old, age. He should know by now to not speak of things he has no understanding of, which is clearly the case here. Republicans have brought the No Child Left Behind policy, Abstinence Only Sex Education, and Creationism to our schools. What a success those programs have been, one makes our nation's best and brightest slow themselves down to allow others to keep pace, one only needs to look at the Republican's Vice Presidential candidate's daughter to see how successful abstinence only sex ed is, and creationism!!...really? If that becomes an acceptable way for us to explain the world to our kids than shame on us, this is a simple minded approach for people who don't want to take the time to learn about history, biology or science in general. War, Oil, and Big Business are where McCain's heart and soul are, instead of war and prisons, lets spend our money on education, that is an investment everyone is sure to reap benefits from!

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Frank — Thu, 09 Oct 2008 19:20:45 GMT

Gee, you don't suppose Obama's request for the earmark had more to do with both he and the planetarium being from the same city, do you?

Obama wants to gut funding for NASA. No friend of Science is he. I'm not saying McCain is either - for those interested in funding for science for the greater good of our country, there are no good choices this election.

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Nobody NM — Thu, 09 Oct 2008 19:41:23 GMT

it's so easy to SEE today why the GOP wants us stupid so nobody can qualify for there jobs.second, asking for earmarks? every one in DC is guilty. if the others were funded by the Feds, why not ask? In a way this is good, as "We The People" get to show what we concider important, and from what i read in here!! OUR OWN COUNTRY IS MOST IMPORTANT! If we spend 10 billion a week in Iraq, lets spend 10 billion a week inside our own borders just for a year.. that's 6 years less than Iraq,, and this country would be on it's way to greatness, once again, but they are far to busy re-building Iraq and our 102 acre embassy, to take care of our own, this is a bad picture!

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Bruce Peterson, New England, ND — Thu, 09 Oct 2008 19:52:48 GMT

This is the problem with earmarks, people depend on the federal government to give them money for these type of projects that they easily can raise on their own. If chicago can't raise a measily $3 million then that is thier problem. The same for the $500,000 for a Woodstock memorial. Let Hillary build it if it so essential. For Chicago or any other similar venture is silly. These universities that get federal dollars for science and then spend millions on football stadiums and coaches is also the worst ideas in America. It is time they are ended. Give the president a line item veto, then he can eliminate these wasteful projects. If the president misuses the veto, congress can easily override his veto on a particular item, embarrasing him, but the congress will have to stand on their own two feet in front of everyone and say this is essential.

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Kathy, San Diego, CA — Thu, 09 Oct 2008 19:58:14 GMT

It's odd that the same people who cry about "pork" will enthusiastically support the use of our tax monies for war. Education goes begging, and they complain that our educational system is failing. Go figure!

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Carol, Dewitt,.Michigan — Thu, 09 Oct 2008 20:17:03 GMT

Having these types of things in any city is a priviledge not a right. they should be funded by those who use them, local governments, private donors etc not by asking for an earmark. Yes it is wonderful to be able to see the night sky but only after the roads are fixed,the deficits are gone and other necessities are paid for should any of these type earmarks be Requested or funded. Yes most of us know Obamas reqest failed- what we question is the his judgement in requesting it in the first place.

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Tim Minneapolis MN — Thu, 09 Oct 2008 20:17:52 GMT

Planetariums are for stoners and tweekers. If you really want to see the cosmos, invest in a telescope.

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Phylis,Dallas, Texas — Thu, 09 Oct 2008 20:19:59 GMT

I agree, if you want the projector then your state should pull together and get it. The Federal Goverment should keep out of it. Its doesn't benefit the whole nation. We all can't travel to Chicago and see it. McCain was right!

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John Doe, Seattle, Wash — Thu, 09 Oct 2008 20:22:42 GMT

Its easy to see why liberals want the government to pay for their projector. They would rather go to a free star show then spend time reading dusty ole school books about HOW YOUR GOVERNMENT IS NOT SUPPOSE TO BE YOUR CANDY STORE. The "me" generation has given rise to the "entitlement" generation. And since so many liberals didn't get a decent education they went in to the media business brandishing the only thing sophisticated about themselves namely EGO. But...its just my opinion :)

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kent J chicago Illinois — Thu, 09 Oct 2008 20:25:55 GMT

I would like to see more scientists stand up for the plain English in the Constitution, but apparently they lost the ability to READ.

Scientists who want bigger, more liberal government are clearly not historians nor understanding of the human condition.

MORE GOVERNMENT is BAD folks.

Socialism is NOT the American way and you scientists voting for the big O are just part of the problem. McCain isnt that much better but at least he speaks about CUTTING.

Support CUTTING and Drilling and responsibility and CUT OFF THE GOVERNMENT TEAT.

Obama is a born and bred chicago politician on the take for the democrats. Look up SHILL.

Chicago Politics SUCK!!!!!!

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Kim — Thu, 09 Oct 2008 20:26:30 GMT

Goodness, please... I LOVE space. I've been to the Planetarium twice... and frankly, they charge you an arm and a leg, they should raise their own money. I like to have money going towards space exploration... but honestly... the Planetarium should raise their own money. FURTHER, he asked for money for Tourist centers. THIS should be Chicago's issue...not federal. Goodness he should think about solving chicago's BASIC needs... EDUCATION! and CRIME... what an absolute mess. They're looking to increase tax again... to go towards what? Perhaps to incentivize for even more pan handlers already at every corner of chicago downtown. Oh, I forgot, he has already given money to ACORN. And he has already gave millions to special education groups that teaches radical views (NOT Chicago PUBLIC schools).

What a waste of money! IF anyone is from Chicago, you'll realize there is NO place for anyone w/alternative views from the liberals. Where's the check and balance? Chicago = corrupt USELESS IDIOTIC politician... innocent children are losing this partisan power play. Michigan, another useless bunch of democrat leaders (Governor and Mayor)... have high crime and no jobs. Yes, lets waste MORE money funding radical views and ONE sided view ... and forget everyone else who actually cares to contribute to this country.

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T Crow, New Mexico — Thu, 09 Oct 2008 20:26:33 GMT

I back what McCain said. We have better things to spend our money on. NASA is another pork belly that should be done away with. Who cares what is in space. We are letting our people starve to death on Earth.

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Bernadette Kumer, Cranberry Township, PA — Thu, 09 Oct 2008 20:26:39 GMT

At a time when millions of Americans are losing their homes and their retirements have bottomed out - the science community needs to keep the comments made by John McCain in perspective and bite the bullet like the rest of us. You'll get your beautiful projector, but lets save American homes first, ok? Grow up.
Not a good time to stop backing the one man who would defend to his death your right to be pissed off.

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cclay — Thu, 09 Oct 2008 20:27:16 GMT

Hey geeky buttpipes. Your science project is NOT the responsibility of the federal gov't. If the private sector can't make money on it, don't do it.

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Bruce, Long Lake, MN — Thu, 09 Oct 2008 20:27:17 GMT

We are having a financial disaster which is causing people to choose between food and shelter, or health care and a place for their children to sleep and you can in your scientific Phd wisdom justify a lavish projector.

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Kim — Thu, 09 Oct 2008 20:29:05 GMT

McCain was playing to his base.....they don't give a damn about science. Rob, Warwick, NY (Sent Thursday, October 09, 2008 8:07 AM)*********** Seriously, are all Obama supporters this smart? ALL scientists I know are voting Republican. Science exploration yes! At the pleasure of a museum... they need to raise their own money! PLEASE! Or YOU could give your money to them...

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Ted Milwaukee, WI — Thu, 09 Oct 2008 20:32:19 GMT

A student in Chicago may become a doctor or an engineer or an astrophysicist in Iowa or Kentucky, raising those state revenues through an increase in salaries that highly specialized scientific degrees get. I guess we should keep track as to what states fund a person's education through state tax dollars and let them return that money to the state that made the investment?

Who was it that said the new conservative movement is looking for nothing more than a moral justification for selfishness?

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Kim — Thu, 09 Oct 2008 20:36:04 GMT

Seriously, honestly... NO freaking anyone is saying there shouldn't be a planetarium. They need to fund it themselves. Shouldn't museums fund themselves? WHy do they charge so much money for? I wonder if we should give all federal money to museums for children to learn.

Perhaps they need federal assistance b/c they don't have good people running it? Visited there twice, it was a bunch of mean, unexcited women inside. It's no wonder it's always so empty (outside of the Planetarium 4-5 times a week, but inside only twice).

Get a better person in charge of the facility, and bring up a bunch of fundraising... use the facility for a celebration venue? The Shedd and Science and Industry does... why can't the Planetarium? Just another reason to get easy money.

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Kim — Thu, 09 Oct 2008 20:40:57 GMT

"I used to like Senator McCain, but..." Dale G. Cox, Pontiac, Michigan ------------- Dale, would you have voted for McCain? If the answer is "no", I'll act like Chicago politicians and say "Well, then you don't count". Frustrating isn't it? Try living in Chicago and be a republican... you can't say anything w/out being yelled at... you'll just learn to stay quite. Lovely isn't it?

BTW, I have so many posts b/c I don't know if any of my posts will ever be posted by the regulators of this blog.

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Al Whitworth, Lexington, SC — Thu, 09 Oct 2008 20:43:27 GMT

The people in South Carolina do not want their tax dollars spent on a projector for Chicago. Do you want to pay my bills while this economic down turn is going on?

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Phony Liberal — Thu, 09 Oct 2008 20:45:49 GMT

Please, spare us the tears....the federal government blows too much money on these stupid "PET PROJECTS".
I agree with one other poster, buy what you need with your own funds...

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Cliff, Ocala, FL — Thu, 09 Oct 2008 20:48:32 GMT

So the whole country should pay for Chicago's projector? The museum can't find one cheaper? Parts cannot be made? Sounds like allot of baloney. The reason why the earmark fell through is because it was out voted by more people who felt the same way I do - which is; take donations - not tax money.

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Mike,Edinburg,Va — Thu, 09 Oct 2008 20:53:08 GMT

Let me get this right, my tax dollars are going to buy you a new 3 mil overhead projector? what benefits am i going to get from it? Will i be able to use it? Buy your own damn overhead projector and stop waisting my tax dollars!!!!!!

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Chuck, Rochester Hills, Michigan — Thu, 09 Oct 2008 20:54:09 GMT

What a joke! Are you "scientists" American? At a time when the economy is going down the drain you think you can justify what amounts to your particular pet project(or). We have to all sacrifice what we enjoy for the good of the nation for heaven's sake. Did you maybe consider teaching these millions of children to go outside at night and looking up with a chart in their hand? (As opposed to thinking we need some complicated, expensive machine to learn something.) I seem to remember that the ancients learned astronomy and (gasp) they didn't even have electricity. Unless you count lightning, I suppose.

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Frank Glover, Rochester NY — Thu, 09 Oct 2008 20:55:20 GMT

It may be appropriate to spend federal money on this, it may not.

It *is* clear, however, that in this instance, Senator McCain didn't know what he was talking about.

How can you meaningfully object to something, without having some understanding of what it is?

And one must wonder what other gaps in his knowledge (science and otherwise) the senator has. (or those on his campaign staff who failed to bring him up to speed on this, if it was planned beforehand to bring it up)

(To be fair, I was equally unimpressed when Jesse Jackson, during one of his runs for the presidency, spoke of his intention to cancel 'the B-1 missile...')

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Woman4Education, Palo Alto, California — Thu, 09 Oct 2008 20:55:38 GMT

If we can spend 10 billion a month for a war most of us don't want then what's 3 million for education? I seriously can't believe people are actually complaining over this. Wish it was more of an uproar regarding the war!!!!!

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Barbara, York, PA — Thu, 09 Oct 2008 20:56:12 GMT

Science is very important. Would you all agree that if we are to stop relying on oil from others that it is our ability to study the sciences and technology to find the best solutions. If 3 million is too much, what does that say about our seriousness on the subjects of making Americans more able to compete in the global market?

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John Doe, Seattle, Wash — Thu, 09 Oct 2008 20:57:13 GMT

Let's face facts folks, it is an overhead projector. Yes a very huge and costly one, but an overhead projector non the less. Obama asked for 3 million dollars for a new one. Where is the lie here? Yes I know Obama is your boy, but let's not lie here, shall we?

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Rex, Chicago — Thu, 09 Oct 2008 21:01:03 GMT

What a joke all the negative comments are on this board about a request for a educational and scietific item that millions of people other than chicagoans have experienced. You act like your senators dont make any requests. Where is and was the outrage when trillions, yes trillions, of federal taxpayer dollars were spent on IRAQ. Remember the trumped up war we are all still paying for. The Republicans and evangelicals have driven this country into the ground and no amount of pettiness by Mcain is going to get this Country to collectively vote him and pathetic palin into office.

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Adrienne S. , Lafayette, IN — Thu, 09 Oct 2008 21:01:45 GMT

Wow! Will idealogical elitists stop at nothing to besmirch McCain? Anything to allow the Golden Boy to ascend to the throne? By the way, where did he get that money to accomplish his fine academic endeavors? I wish I had access to those finances. Look it up. It is researchable, if you choose. Absolutely no to financing a star theater projector with tax payer money!

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Greg Coin, Wilmington, DE — Thu, 09 Oct 2008 21:11:37 GMT

It should not be surprising that America's leading "Practioner of the Trivial" would see everything around him as trivial. This proves it - he is as old and close-minded as I thought he was.

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Taxpayer — Thu, 09 Oct 2008 21:13:40 GMT

Why should my federal tax dollars pay for a museum in Chicago?

Do they not teach Article I, Section 8 of the Constitution anymore?

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leslie schneider — Thu, 09 Oct 2008 21:16:19 GMT

iread yor article and i loved going to planitariums i am ww2 vet and i guess in his 1st debate he said he loved us veterans and would do every thing for us but he actually voted against vets bills the diabled veterans orginization gave him a 20% rating.so all the scientists and astron better watch out he may yet get to love u too.

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Netman — Thu, 09 Oct 2008 21:20:45 GMT

The point is not whether or not Chicago 'deserves' tax dollars for this. LOTS of things get submitted for funding and LOTS are denied. That's how the process works. The point is just how stupid McCain is when he puts it in the category of an 'overhead projector'. Next thing the Planetarium will ask for a ditto machine! Whippersnappers!!

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Gregg, Florida — Thu, 09 Oct 2008 21:21:05 GMT

More anti-science from the anti-science party!

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Steve, San Jose, CA — Thu, 09 Oct 2008 21:32:08 GMT

$3 Million is nothing compared to some of the other pork barrel projects that are on the table. Knowledge is a great thing and I totally support federal funding for projects like these. Further proof that McCain is just too old to lead our country....

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Ronald Schexnaider, Kaplan, La. — Thu, 09 Oct 2008 21:33:04 GMT

K.I.S.S. keep it simple stuped. ALL KIDS NEED TO DO IS GO OUT AT NIGHT AND RESD THE STARS. THAT IS WHAT THEY DID BEFORE. WHAT WRONG WITH THAT, AND IT IS FREE.

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Russ, Juneau, AK — Thu, 09 Oct 2008 21:34:52 GMT

One can debate the merits of whether or not the planetarium projector should be funded by the federal government (certainly, other educational infrastructure receives such funds), but has the McCain campaign so little to offer that it must resort almost completely to lies and quarter-truths?

"Overhead projector"? Give me a break! Sure, all campaigns resort to "stretches" regarding the opposition's position, but McCain is doing little else.

In any case, McCain's pet subject - dealing with earmarks - is a minuscule issue compared with the real problems facing this country. Why he's repeating "No earmarks!" like some sort of mantra is anyone's guess, unless that's all the substance he can manage at this ponit.

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Obama's Bahama Momma — Thu, 09 Oct 2008 21:34:52 GMT

I read comment after comment, referring to pork barrel spending. At least McCain will have a hundred more places to cut now besides the one he mentioned in the debate!

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Mike, Illinois — Thu, 09 Oct 2008 21:35:14 GMT

So AIG spends $400,000 on a party after the govt gave them 85 billion yet some people are offended that we spend 3 million for an educational museum. Why am I not surprized.
As I told my friend, who is a first year science teacher, facing her first set of parent-teacher conferences, dont worry no parent goes to see the science teacher because they dont understand the subject themselves.

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Michael Gaskill St. Louis MO — Thu, 09 Oct 2008 21:36:50 GMT

All you McCainites, education is every American's right, obligation and responsibility, where ever it is needed. Though obviously not to you bunch of monosyllabic morons.

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Jim, Boston, MA — Thu, 09 Oct 2008 21:52:28 GMT

Last time what I heard was it cost 1 million to purchase a advanced missile which we shot like firework in the middle east every day.

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Harry Fairfield, Tn. — Thu, 09 Oct 2008 21:57:58 GMT

John McCain is showing his ignorance of science, just as Bush did. My 63 Ford is out of date and so is John McCain. I haven't seen his birth certificate, so how do we know he is only 72? The Viet Nam war proved he wasn't technically trained, he suffered 6 years because of this lack of knowledge. He should look up and see the undiscovered.

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ANDY WOODHAVEN MI — Thu, 09 Oct 2008 22:04:18 GMT

WHY DONT OBOMA NOT AIR SOME TV ADDS AND PAY FOR IT WITH ONE ADDWITH HIS MAME ON IT ASKING FOR DONATIONS IN IT FOR PROJECTOR THATS TO EASY GO GET JOHN GET ALL EARMARKS OUT OF ALL POLITIONS THAT WAY....

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Rose Joliet, IL — Thu, 09 Oct 2008 22:08:47 GMT

McCain just wanted to stir the pot and do smears. If you been watching any news channel (not fox) McCain also voted yes. BE INFORMED! When a canidate doesnt answer a question its because he knows your not going to like the answer.

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Alan Boyle — Thu, 09 Oct 2008 22:13:30 GMT

"All kids need to do is go out at night and [read] the stars. That is what they did before, what['s] wrong with that, and it is free."

Ronald, I wish it were that simple: Due to light pollution, an estimated 90 percent of all Americans younger than 18 have never seen the Milky Way.

http://cosmiclog.msnbc.msn.com/
archive/2008/03/28/834874.aspx

Another point is that planetariums (and the educators who work there) help you understand what's going on in the universe. It's not just a case of looking at the lights in the sky. We don't need a planetarium on every block, to be sure, and I'll emphasize again that I won't judge whether or not this particular earmark might be justified. (By the way, some of you may be able to follow my suggestion and avoid the need for an earmark by sending the planetarium a contribution.) But a world without planetariums is a little bit like a world without libraries. To suggest that we just might as well shut them down is ... well ... foolishness.

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Joe Cross, The Villages, Florida — Thu, 09 Oct 2008 22:20:03 GMT

Get over it my scientist friends. I never have, nor do I intend to, visit your fine planetarium. If you want something new, try collecting the money yourself and quit asking for government handouts. I'm tired of my taxes going to pet projects that have little interest to most citizens outside of the immediate area of the handout seekers.

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Yulianna, Chapel Hill NC — Thu, 09 Oct 2008 22:25:22 GMT

I'm so sick of the tired argument, "Why should my taxes pay for (fill in the blank) when I'm never going to use it?!" By this insipid logic, my tax money shouldn't go toward funding public schools because I don't have children who are in school! The whole point of taxes is to redistribute wealth to where it's NEEDED not to where you WANT it. Since we're talking about NATIONAL funds here, that means any state should have access to them. We're not 50 seperate countries here, we're 50 UNITED states. By paying tax money to the federal government, you are investing in a NATIONAL community of which you are a part.

To reiterate what others have already said, I think it's fair that the Adler did not receive those funds in light of other pressing matters which also require federal funding, but I think Obama was well within his rights to ask for that money on behalf of the Adler.

By the way, to those of you who don't want to pay for public services to serve your own nation, why is it ok to spend federal money on foreign governments? Is any one here planning to become a citizen of Iraq?

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Steve, Indy — Thu, 09 Oct 2008 23:13:00 GMT

I love scientists and my sons and I are in awe of pure science. In fact I am happy to have found this site for more of our knowledge exploration. I think one of our attractions to the scientific community is the almost unsettling logic and cool demeanor of scientists. So, either Obama’s Web Blog Central operatives have descended on this site, or the scientific community was in the Obama camp anyway. On a whim, I will try to sway. If you were likely to vote for McCain because of reasoned assessment of his plans and character, how on earth…errrr. in the universe, could his citing an example of earmarking projector sway you change your vote? This is not logical. You would forsake your country for a telescope? If you respond that it is not the telescope but what his attack on it represents, then consider the following. He was not attacking federal funding for the telescope, but THE MANNER IN WHICH THE FUNDING IS ACQUIRED. Earmarks essentially hide funding for projects in other, often essential funding bills. I agree that projects that inspire are important, so openly request and acquire the funding. WHY ARE YOU DEFENDING BUSINESS AS USUAL IN CONGRESS AS DEFENSE OF AN “AGENT OF CHANGE”?

WAIT A MINUTE!!!! Minutes later, McCain openly declared that federal funding for research in our universities as part of the effort to rapidly develop alternative energy. ISN’T this an endorsement of the scientific community? I know you are just people, so I trust that this is an emotional response that will wain.

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Don — Thu, 09 Oct 2008 23:51:38 GMT

McCain's base are not the brightest bulbs on the string.Science to this crowd is nonsense to begin with.They don't believe in evolution and I think the jury is still out on gravity.How we have regressed is not too hard to understand as science,math,etc. are replaced with intelligent design and snake handling.

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Wendy , Granada Hills, CA — Fri, 10 Oct 2008 00:04:22 GMT

I am sorry that John McCain singled out the Adler Planetarium as one of the earmarks Barack Obama has supported. I think there were PLENTY of other examples that would have been far more effective.
I do however believe when our budgets are tight, which they have been for years, this is NOT a luxury that can be afforded by the Federal government. I understand that it was not funded, and I am happy to hear this as a taxpayer.

I am an avid gardener and my analogy that would apply to this situation is as follows:

When I don't have the money to pay for the necessities that are required for my household, I do not spend money on flowers for my garden. If my friends want to give them to me as gifts, I will happily accept them.

Have your "friends of the planetarium" give you gifts to support this.

Very sincerely,

Wendy Wendorf

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Lori, Gaylord, Michigan — Fri, 10 Oct 2008 00:05:47 GMT

We would like a Planetarium up here in northern Michigan and every state except Michigan should pay for it. Doesn't that sound stupid! We have never had the opportunity to visit the Adler... however, we should have more opportunities for our families and children, where is equality?
As far as the candidates go... they have to point fingers at each other because they both have dirt and are unable to separate themselves from their own misdoings. They can not disappoint the dirt. It is easier to point fingers then to deal with themselves and come clean.

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PJ Dothan, AL — Fri, 10 Oct 2008 00:19:51 GMT

McCain probably wouldn't know an overhead projector from a digital camera. But if he could get his eyes off his perfect VP choice long enough. He might realize that young people today are more interested in a learning experience and not just in a science book. But that could take a while I think he has a pretty bad crush on her. Education is important and I know Sen Obama understands that. At least he tried.

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Ken Silber, New Jersey — Fri, 10 Oct 2008 00:20:21 GMT

The scientist-bloggers complaining about McCain's criticism are dead wrong. Pork-barrel spending is a threat to science. It circumvents peer review and allocates money based on politics rather than merit. And it opens the way for money to be diverted from science altogether and into other areas. I wrote about science pork back in the early '90s (now at http://findarticles.com/p/articles/mi_m1571/is_/ai_14716536) and the problem has not gotten better since.

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Steve Russo, Schenectady, NY — Fri, 10 Oct 2008 00:27:04 GMT

AT the age of five, my parents took me to a planetarium. What happened? I became an Astronomer. I am a planetarium director, who has spent the past 35 years teaching kids and adults about space. Back in the early 1960's, literally hundreds of planetarium were built with funds from the National Defence Act. The purpose of those planetariums was to teach kids about science, to have them become scientists, and beat the Russians to the Moon. Many of us kids became those scientists and some even became astronauts. Planetariums and Science Museums serve a needed purpose. To educate our youth. Almost 40 million people a year visit planetariums in the US. And thousands work in them. We will be voting next month!

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Mr. Unite Us — Fri, 10 Oct 2008 00:47:04 GMT

Planetariums have inspired millions of young minds to take an interest in science.

So we have John p***ing off the scientists and Cindy disrespecting veterans with PTSD this week.

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Marcia K, Jefferson City, MO — Fri, 10 Oct 2008 02:01:30 GMT

It is in how Obama asked for the $3 mil, not what he asked it for.

I just finished taking Macroeconomics and passed with a "B." Thank you. The timing of me having this class and what has/is happening in our economy really was enlightening. We had to write a paper on something that had to do with the economy and do a presentation regarding that paper. I did my paper on Pork-Barrel spending/earmarks. The Office of Management and Budget are FINALLY bringing some transparency to the "earmarks" being taked on to bills. Please, everyone, visit the following web sites to become informed about what Congress is "really" doing with our tax money.

http://www.cagw.org/site/PageServer

http://earmarks.omb.gov/

I live on a budget, as I am sure most all of you do too. Well, two wrongs don't make a right, therefore, since you and I have to stick to a budget and the states are required to balance their budgets, so too should the Federal government. They are the WORST offenders of living beyond their means and asking our children to pay for it! With the way Democrats and Republicans are spending our money, the USA will be filing for bankruptcy in the very near future. Truly sad!

Neither candidate excites me, and YES I voted for Ross Perot in 1992. Wish he was running again, because this business we call the USA is being run into the ground! We don't need another lawyer running the country and trying to redefine "it."

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Doug, Swisher, IA — Fri, 10 Oct 2008 02:04:36 GMT

Hi Alan,

It would be great to yet join you once again under those starry skies again. A campfire, a telescope, and old friends from days gone by.

Doug

[ALAN ADDS: Let's do it, my friend!]

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Chase, Seattle WA — Fri, 10 Oct 2008 02:07:21 GMT

For one, the project or is 10 million, the City of Chicago, state of Illinois, and the museum itself have coughed up the majority of the money already.

Secondly.. mentality such as this:
"Why should I, in Kentucky have to pay for a Chicago projector? Taxation without representation."

Is childish. Why, should I, in Seattle WA, have to pay farmers in KY to grow dirt? Why should I and the fine people of Chicago have to pay to build roads in KY?

It's a Federal system, not a confederacy, we all put money into the system, we all get money out. Those in Urban settings actually get far less back then they put in.

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Terry Deer, Cowgil Montana — Fri, 10 Oct 2008 03:25:21 GMT

We all love science, else we wouldn't be here. Yet, some encourage sending more money to Washington, thru hand after hand, so they can make the decision of how to spend it. These low level issues are well within the means of the local people or local government.

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Charles H. Kilby, Advance, NC 27006 — Fri, 10 Oct 2008 04:19:21 GMT

It's tragic we can throw away $2billion/week in Iraq; $700billion on bad real estate loans. Education is THE route to opportunity. Mr. McCain as a naval aviator should without doubt recognize the value a planetarium has. An airman bailing out should first look to the stars for guidance. The stars are more dependable than a GPS with a battery. For him to call it an overhead projector makes him look FOOLISH not the rest of us. For those who think the community could scrounge around and bring up that kind of cash hasn't been reading the news lately. Mr. McCain is a problem on the way to restoring learning & democracy again in America.

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aimhigher — Fri, 10 Oct 2008 05:21:03 GMT

K, why should you have to [help] pay for a "Chicago projector"?

Well, maybe because science education ANYWHERE in the country (and especially in a major metropolitan area) will benefit you and your kids by inspiring young people into careers in science and technology, without whom we cannot hope to maintain our country's leadership in science and technology, or effectively deal with the very real problems we face in our future.

You dismissively flip off the line "Taxation without representation" as if you imagine it to be meaningful. Didn't you know that Congress, as a NATIONAL representative body representing everybody in the country, collectively votes on such matters?
That's right. Believe it or not, you ARE, in FACT, represented. Your congressmen are there.

Consider this perspective: the share of the cost to you, as an individual taxpayer, of such a sky-projection system for a national treasure such as the Adler Planetarium? A one-time payment about a THOUSANDTH of that which each of us has been forced to pay EVERY WEEK for a "war" which has not enhanced our national security one iota - spending which has, in fact, seriously undermined our ability to negotiate financial emergencies ranging from Katrina and Ike to the current financial crisis.

If you doubt education is that important, why have we been making so many major mistakes?

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Thomas Ashby, Calgary — Fri, 10 Oct 2008 06:55:35 GMT

The funny thing to me is that the star projector that projects over your head looks like a wonky robot with a sad face !

I have to say that I am surprised such things aren't privately funded. The Chicago planetarium should do it's own fund raising ...I think since 1990 when they probably had a good idea it needed an upgrade, they could have raised 3 mill by now..don't ya think?

It's really a small issue !

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Frank Glover, Rochester, NY — Fri, 10 Oct 2008 15:56:11 GMT

"K.I.S.S. keep it simple stuped. ALL KIDS NEED TO DO IS GO OUT AT NIGHT AND RESD THE STARS. THAT IS WHAT THEY DID BEFORE. WHAT WRONG WITH THAT, AND IT IS FREE."

First, two words: light pollution. Most 'kids' (and planetariums, museums, etc. are educational instruments for *adults,* too) don't even know what a truly clear sky is.

Second, the sky/universe doesn't explain itself. You need not just tools, but staff competent to do that (like any other form of teaching). You don't learn agriculture just by going out and standing in a cornfield, either...

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Kenn, Broomfield, CO — Fri, 10 Oct 2008 16:53:27 GMT

It isn't really "science" but this explains the current election debate in Star Trek terms:
http://www.kennamdahl.wordpress.com

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MS TRACY — Fri, 10 Oct 2008 17:04:41 GMT

WOW!! I am just amazed at the selfishness of the American people. If I'm not using it, then it's not necessary, If it's not for me then I shouldn't have to pay for it...yadayadayada!!! Anything that is education in this country has funding from the government in most cases. Did you miss the fact that there are several other planetariums that received government funding for the same project and costs more than Chicago's planetarium. Why did Alaska get $6 mil in earmarks or more for DNA testing on Seals or something like that? WOW!!! People get a grip!! We are so behind in technology in this country and the world is passing us by because we have put education last along with medical. That's just like saying we shouldn't give education grants and scholarships to people for college because we are not benefiting from it. Be for real. We all benefit in some way shape form or fashion in the long run. Casino's get earmarks so why shouldn't educational landmarks. UUUUGGHHHH!!!! YOU MAKE ME SICK WITH YOUR SELFISH INCONSIDERATE BLOGS!! WE ARE DOOMED IN AMERICA BECAUSE OUR PRIORITIES ARE DEAD!!!!

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ccpetersen — Fri, 10 Oct 2008 17:44:59 GMT

For what it's worth, when we drove across country this year, we saw many signs in North Dakota, Minnesota and other northern-tier states bragging that they were paying for highway construction with federal funds and that NOT ONE PENNY of local funds were going into that. As a person who lives in a state where we PAY MORE into federal funding than we get back, I found it amusing to see them proudly proclaim their reliance on federal money, much of which came from those of us who don't get the everyday benefit of those roads, etc.

The "it's my money" argument goes both ways -- I don't like paying for YOUR roads; you don't like paying for somebody's planetarium (that sees visitors from around the country), somebody else doesn't like paying extra taxes so churches can get off scot-free in terms of taxes (and use their tax-free status to promulgate hate-state laws against people's right to medical privacy or to marry who they choose), people all over don't like paying for bridges to nowhere in Alaska (another state that sucks in more money than it pays out in taxes) and so on.

I guess I could just stop paying my taxes so that the folks in Wisconsin, etc. can have nice roads... would that make you happy?

Think about what else you get in your life because all of us pay taxes: federal funding of education initiatives, veterans benefits, roads, and so on.

I'm not wild about funding that illegal war in Iraq, or the "faith-based initiatives" of the current regime (and I highly suspect that much of that "tax money out of MY pocket" is going straight to the pockets of preachers who see "faith based funding" as an excuse to line their own pockets), or paying tax dollars so that security snoops in our government can listen in on private phone calls made by soldiers back to their families at home.

But hey... those are our tax dollars at work, and in comparison to the billions being wasted to bail out wealthy financiers, having some money pay for science education isn't so bad.

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Ms Tracy, Charleston, SC — Fri, 10 Oct 2008 17:58:29 GMT

For all you stupid naive individuals out there, you act like this planetarium thing just happened during the run for presidential elections. This happened some time ago so MCCain is at it again bringing up the past. You all crucify Obama as if he asked for money for a bridge to nowhere or to do DNA Tests on seals. If you do the math, your tax dollars would equal not dollars but maybe a couple of pennies per american tax paying citizen. You spend more than that on a piece of candy at the store. Give me a break and stop the whinning selfish people. So what if you don't get to visit this museum. I won't either but the ramifications of not funding this program is great. I would rather put pennies of my taxes into this planetarium than a center in Arizona which was paid for by earmarks, yes your tax dollars which was a tribute to one individual man which I can't learn a thing from. McCain is at the center of earmarks so don't be fooled. Some earmarks are good so stop confusing the pork earmarks with justifiable earmarks. There is a difference.

PORK EARMARKS - Alaska's bridge to nowhere, DNA testing on seals, and lest not forget the Museum or Center in honor of William Rehnquist that John McCain is pushing that would cost the taxpayers $2 million in funding for a course of 5 years equalling over $10 million dollars. More than triple the $3 million Obama asked for for upgrading an education museum. If you don't believe it, read for yourselfs in the LA Times and the NY Times http://www.nytimes.com/2006/02/18/politics/18earmark.html.
Also another form of earmarks is undercover earmarks that don't go through the normal process of approval. This is why John McCain can play the no more earmarks game and fingerpoint. He gets his under the table. The Keating 5 for example, read it weep! Here is just a portion of it to get you going.......

Once upon a time, a politician took campaign contributions and favors from a friendly constituent who happened to run a savings and loan association. The contributions were generous: They came to about $200,000 in today's dollars, and on top of that there were several free vacations for the politician and his family, along with private jet trips and other perks. The politician voted repeatedly against congressional efforts to tighten regulation of S&Ls, and in 1987, when he learned that his constituent's S&L was the target of a federal investigation, he met with regulators in an effort to get them to back off.

That politician was John McCain, and his generous friend was Charles Keating, head of Lincoln Savings & Loan. While he was courting McCain and other senators and urging them to oppose tougher regulation of S&Ls, Keating was also investing his depositors' federally insured savings in risky ventures. When those lost money, Keating tried to hide the losses from regulators by inducing his customers to switch from insured accounts to uninsured (and worthless) bonds issued by Lincoln's near-bankrupt parent company. In 1989, it went belly up -- and more than 20,000 Lincoln customers saw their savings vanish.

Keating went to prison, and McCain's Senate career almost ended. Together with the rest of the so-called Keating Five -- Sens. Alan Cranston (D-Calif.), John Glenn (D-Ohio), Don Riegle (D-Mich.) and Dennis DeConcini (D-Ariz.), all of whom had also accepted large donations from Keating and intervened on his behalf -- McCain was investigated by the Senate Ethics Committee and ultimately reprimanded for "poor judgment."

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Debi, Jacksonville, FL — Fri, 10 Oct 2008 19:04:51 GMT

In case anyone missed the cost of the "overhead projector" it is $10 million dollars. The planetarium IS fund raising for the "overhead projector" that has been in place for almost 40 years. So the $3 million earmark is not even half the cost.
What earmarks did McCain ask for..... in his debate he essentially asked for an open ended earmark for the banks by suggesting we (the taxpayers) by all their bad mortgages at face value and take the loss when the loans are refinanced at the market value.
At least with Obama's $3 million we know the cost and no investors are being bailed out.

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Peter Velkin — Fri, 10 Oct 2008 19:27:18 GMT

I'm from the UK, but visited the Adler about 6 or 7 years back and thought it was astounding.
I'm going to donate $140 to the observatory (hope thats not more than about £80), so that parents and kids can be as inspired by space and science as I was.
God bless and I hope enough people chip in to get that amazing new system.

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Mark, Willis, Texas — Fri, 10 Oct 2008 19:27:35 GMT

The point that everyone is missing is that McCain does not have a problem with the purchase, he does not like the WAY it was going to be purchased!
He wants ALL federal funding to be an open book for the American people to see! He doesn't want a "yes" vote on a tax cut for middle America to also be a "yes" vote for a $2.5 million to fund a polar bear mating study in the state of Texas!
Both sides should get off their soap boxes and be realistic when you listen to people.

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Eric, Madison, WI — Fri, 10 Oct 2008 20:12:02 GMT

For that planetarium, $3mil is a bargain. The place is awesome. It's really got some great resources for kids to help them get info on and get into science. I was one of those kids once.

Why should your tax dollars fund it, if you don't live in chicago? Because we're a nation. We stand together. My tax dollars can pay for anything from military bases in California, laboratories in North Carolina to airport security in New York to park rangers in Arizona, and I don't live in any of those places.

The Adler may sit in Chicago and serve *mostly* chicagoans, but it does serve others - it's a resource anyone can take advantage of if they're there. It makes a powerful statement about our nation's commitment to educating the next generation and improving the quality of life for our kids and grandkids. Isn't that what being a first-world country is all about?

Earmark, shmearmark. It's blowing a procedural practicality into a big issue in the hope of seeming progressive. But no legislator would ever go against the earmarking procedures in reality - it'd essentially hamstring them all with regards to their constituents' concerns. It's one of those annoying little details that comes with legislating a country.

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Blogger — Fri, 10 Oct 2008 20:33:20 GMT

3,000,000 for a planetarium for a museum versus 250,000,000 for a bridge to nowhere. The planetarium was never funded but the bridge money went to pave streets in a state flush with cash. I would bet the people of Illinois pay a lot more to Washington than they get back whereas Alaskan just take and take.
They are against big spending but not big taking.
Even more outrageous the state is flush with cash.

John McCain is sad and desperate. Who in their right mind could ever again respect this sad little man.

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William Stenson — Fri, 10 Oct 2008 22:21:12 GMT

Have some principles please. Just because you can convince a minor majority to spend money, this does not give you the right to take it from others. ( Next it will be the facilities need to be replaced so they are more efficient; and I bet that's a good 3 Mill. ) See your U.S. Constitution, Article 4, Section 4 and make your own decisions on the impact of your position.

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AW, Tucson,Az — Sat, 11 Oct 2008 19:44:38 GMT

I find it funny that McCain would pick the Adler projector as an example of pork barrel spending, even though they didn't fund it.

Maybe someone should look into his funding of an aircraft carrier the Navy didn't want, or the several other pork heavy projects he's gotten funding for.

I lived in Chicago for many years and have seen the tourists that the museums in the area draw. The Field Museum, The Museum of Science and Industry, and The Alder attract people from around the world. Those folks spend money for items made through out the USA, and athe world. They also use Chicago as a hub to travel to Wisconsin, and Indiana, as well as othe locations. The money they spend doesn't just stay in Chicago, or Illinois, it also is taxed by the nice folks in Washington. Bottom line is we all are a little better off due to centers like the Adler where ever they are.

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Grant B. — Sat, 11 Oct 2008 20:06:38 GMT

After this entry got picked up by Yahoo News, I was inspired to start a thing on Facebook: http://apps.facebook.com/causes/126719

Mad Scientists. It may help raise awareness. By funding ORBITING SPACE LASERS for the greater glory of America's oldest planetarium.

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Dee Kansas — Sat, 11 Oct 2008 22:04:53 GMT

Why should cities, like Chicago have to fund their own equipment, when the entire US utilizes it? I live in another state and love Chicago and the amentities it offers. I'll chip in. Give it up Reps, you've had 8 years now move over, please. You can have another shot in 4.

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Kathy, San Diego — Sun, 12 Oct 2008 17:58:35 GMT

Since when did education become a pet project? I work in a planetarium. We educate young and old. Those of us who work here do not make what we would on the outside, but we feel that we are working for the greater good.

Privatize everything, and, pretty soon, only the wealthy will have access. Be careful what you ask for. We are moving backward.

The fact is that one person's pork is another's bread & butter. The bills in the House and Senate are so long and full of legalese that most are not read. I'm guessing that all senators and congressmen have requested money for local projects. Some are horrendous, but many are worthy of consideration.

p.s. Laser shows long ago went away.

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B Brown, Boise,Id. — Sun, 12 Oct 2008 20:48:04 GMT

You guys are mostly right, but you're missing the point. Earmarks are NOT the way to spend Federal Funds! Requests for funding should be submitted, processed through both houses and openly voted upon - individually - and not just tacked on to another bill that they hope will pass. Each one should be evaluated and scrutinized based on whether it is really a federal responsibility and whether it's the right place to spend your money, according to constitutional mandate and your wishes as citizens. Earmarks are generally just ways to spend money when they can't pass the muster. It's kind of like if you want a vacation and you're afraid your wife won't approve, so you include the cost in with some repair job so she'll never know.

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Simon J, Dn, NZ — Mon, 13 Oct 2008 05:31:45 GMT

Calling Adler a tourist attraction, implies that NASA is exactly that too. They both strive for more knowledge of the universe and how it affects us. Attacking Adler is attacking legitimate education.

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Marcia Gerber, Moline, IL — Mon, 13 Oct 2008 05:54:35 GMT

Again McCain shows no concern for education - did anyone ever think that many people use this facility, not just the students or residents of Chicago.

Anything connected with learning - should be the concern of our federal government, too. How about Sarah Palin's bridge to nowhere - or the road that got built (to nowhere). Every state has something to ask for or for others to complain about.

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Hero's Welcome, Biddiford, Maine — Mon, 13 Oct 2008 17:04:33 GMT

Quit attacking John McCain. I voted for our last presidential Military Hero - George W. Bush. John is not ignorant - he went to the Naval College (when tailgating was still legal) and knows science. John has done many great things, like getting the Feds to pay for Fossil Creek Park AZ, Walnut Canyon National Monument AZ and the Arizona National Scenic Trail some of these only 15 to 20 miles from his home in Sedona. See www.thomas.loc.gov. John McCain and George W. Bush are both Vietnam Military Hero's and have earned the right to be our Commander-in-Chiefs. Period.

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Paul, Chicago, Il — Mon, 13 Oct 2008 20:09:08 GMT

Another planetarium somewhere out east actually recieved federal funds for the same thing, and roughly for the same amount. I wonder who voted for that request. Why start critisizing now? HMMMM Federal money has funded these types of educational projects for decades. Adler is asking for a smalll percentage of the overall cost.

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Paula B. Monroe NC — Mon, 13 Oct 2008 22:11:02 GMT

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hagi, Cheney, Washington — Tue, 14 Oct 2008 10:30:17 GMT

Joan B. Kirkland, Wa. wrote:
"Three million dollars of tax money spent for a projector used for educational purpose for the general public beats the use of the same amount of money spent for arms for war. It's not likely that a planetarium projector will be used to kill anyone, especially when the risk of killing multiple civilians is high.
Take my tax dollars for educational toys! Take them, please! Take my tax dollars to help people understand the workings of the Universe rather than ways to destroy it!"

This just brought tears to my eyes.. thank you ma'am, thank you for your kindness.. you're the reason we still love this great nation, despite its moral and material failures..

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Jay, Tallahassee, FL — Tue, 14 Oct 2008 16:35:50 GMT

Yeah McCain tends to think of the general public as less informed. As soon as the debate was over I looked up the "overhead projector" issue and just shook my head. Adler is a very well known planetarium and my own small university has more up to date equipment from the 90s. He needs to stop attacking Obama and focus on the economy which is now issue number 1 for me.

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Marcia K Jeff City, MO — Tue, 14 Oct 2008 17:51:19 GMT

China is pulling out all the stops to catapault their science curriculum above every other country,same for S. Korea. The country with best knowledge & technology will dominate the world. Science should be at the very TOP of our list. It does affect our national security dramatically!

They are all Socialist countries run by the government. NOT THANK YOU! I don't want the government telling me I can only have one child, maybe two depending on the sex of the child.

We MOST definately should invest in our children and the future of this country, and if you really were listening, McCain never said anything about not investing in science. Again, the point he was trying to make (POORLY) that the majority of you are just not understanding is that earmarks and pork-barrel spending is NOT GOOD FOR THIS COUNTRY! We need to stop the "I'll wash your back if you wash mine in Washington." We, the taxpayer, have a right to know where every cent of our tax money is being spent. Transparency and Accountability!!! Please, visit the following web sites so you can be better informed with regard to the very cesspool of greed and self-centered dealing that our Congress has been and still continues to do with our tax dollars!

http://earmarks.omb.gov/

http://www.cagw.org/site/PageServer?pagename=homePage

http://www.cagw.org/site/PageServer?pagename=news_byrddroppings

Let's not be part of the problem, but part of the solution. Talk about needing "CHANGE", this process is in desperate need of change, because both sides of the isle is guilty of it, so with the tranparency and accountability, we will know who is being underhanded and who is being honest.

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Bosco,Livonia,Michigan — Wed, 15 Oct 2008 15:19:00 GMT

Our federal goverment has approved dumping nearly $1,000,000,000,000 into the big financial bucket without any attempt to fix the gaping hole that is causing it to leak so badly. If our 2 Presidential candidates want to have any credibility on economic issues, they should propose reinstating some regulations on our money industries. If not, money will continue to leak out of the system and into the pockets of some very wealthy folks at a pace that will make 3 million look like a drop in the bucket.

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Rick C. New Orleans, LA — Thu, 16 Oct 2008 02:17:54 GMT

McCain and Palin are both anti-science. McCain doesn't want to fund it and Palin doesn't think it exists.

We've just had 8 years of the worse science policy in our history. We can't afford 4 more years.

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Vivian, San Francisco, California — Thu, 16 Oct 2008 16:37:30 GMT

Or you could send the check as a gift from John McCain so the thank you letter goes to him...

(Tactic shamelessly stolen from Planned Parenthood)

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David Marshall, Grand Rapids, MI — Sat, 18 Oct 2008 02:52:22 GMT

I was fortunate enough to go to a high school in Wyoming, Michigan that had a planetarium in it when it was rebuilt. I learned so much in my four years their and won an award for my efforts to produce 16 shows in the four years I was there. It was a fantastic educational tool and I'm a better person for the time I spent there. I graduated in 1979 from that school. That wonderful amazing room is nothing more than a large storage closet now for all the cast off items that the high school has no idea what to do with anymore.

The Adler was one of the places the high school astronomy club visited on our occasional trips to Chicago and it is an amazing place. The things they could do with the projector, the wonders they could put on display were simply breathtaking.

People come from far and wide to visit that institution and learn something about the night sky. Its been many years since I set foot in that building but I can say this, that star projector does more for the Midwest and educational astronomy then it will ever do just for the city of Chicago. The residents are not the ones keeping those museums open, its the folks travelling hundreds of miles to see the wonders that all those museums contain.

$3 million is small price to pay to introduce children to the night sky. In most cities, people don't even know what a real night sky looks like thanks to the proliferation of city lights that wash out most of what can be seen.

We have $700 billion to bail out human error and fight a never ending war overseas but no money for a place that will encourage a new generation of scientists? This country really is in a lot of trouble.

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Johnny Richmond, Va — Sat, 25 Oct 2008 12:31:26 GMT

Why should my hard earned tax money go to a planetarium somewhere else? This is the problem in America, alot of folks think the government should pay for things it has no business paying for. Why not let things such as this be privately funded? Especially in these economic times. There are times the government can and should get involved and then there times they shouldn't.

Johnny

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Richard Winsett — Thu, 30 Oct 2008 02:55:42 GMT

Chicago? Where is Chicago? Just kidding, I've been there before, will not go back. Really people get over this, a lot more is at risk here. It is not just about who wins the office, it is about who can keep this country better than the rest of the country's that want to be as good as we are. If, we as a united nation loose that we will be more divided than we are and no one really wants that but our enemies.

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Richard Winsett — Fri, 31 Oct 2008 04:50:22 GMT

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Grant Rogers, halifax, Novascotia — Sun, 02 Nov 2008 13:21:07 GMT

Going to the planetarium used to be a big deal for me growing up

http://notimeforclocks.wordpress.com/2008/08/03/10/

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tatil — Sun, 31 May 2009 21:26:25 GMT

Good sir. Talk about a drop in the hat. This Congress just approved a $700 BILLION bailout of Wall Street and we're whining about 3 million. Priorities people!

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Robert Wagner, Salt Lake City, Utah — Sun, 11 Oct 2009 00:39:34 GMT

While I support the idea of cutting costs .. with all the far more useless things the government spends money on, I would think a new projector for only $3M would be far up the ladder of reasonable expenses. I just don't see how McCain could make such a big deal about this compared to all the other things that have received funding that most of us would think were outrageous expenditures, especially in tough times.