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Luis Villanueva, Austin — Sat, 27 Sep 2008 04:50:14 GMT

Could this be a message from God not to intervene of what he did?

There will be a lot of collateral damage(death in thousands)during the last phase of this experiment.

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Troy, Homeland, CA — Sat, 27 Sep 2008 05:12:44 GMT

So far, people predicting the end of the world have a perfect record: they've been wrong 100 percent of the time.

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R. Rice, New York — Sat, 27 Sep 2008 05:36:40 GMT

Could this whole thing be too perfectly timed for all those 2012'ish end-of-the-world predictions? I hate to think we are now witnessing the final crawl to our own destruction in these little pg. six bylines. When this is page one it will be too late. Meanwhile, Iran is on page one for their more immediate saber-rattling and our attention is riveted by their overly expressive president. Not that there isn't real menace in his words, I would just hate for it to turn out that our attention on him was ironic as we built our own doomsday lab in the mountains of Europe.

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David, Los Angeles — Sat, 27 Sep 2008 06:21:09 GMT

The Photo of the ATLAS detector looks a bit like the inside of a Borg cube.

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Don — Sat, 27 Sep 2008 07:02:22 GMT

Cosmic rays with billions of times more energy hit the Earth every minute. And we are still here after billions of years of that. That is why scientists are not worried.

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Don — Sat, 27 Sep 2008 07:05:24 GMT

Cosmic rays, with billions of times more energy than the LHC can generate, strike the Earth every minute. And we are still here after billions of years of that bombardment. This is why scientists know they are not going to destroy the Earth.

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zhang shuang fen china beijing — Sat, 27 Sep 2008 07:11:08 GMT

I don't think we need to worry about it, it's just an experiment. if we do not stop destroying the environment the doomsday will come

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j dizzle oklahoma — Sat, 27 Sep 2008 07:43:39 GMT

LOL people are always scared of stuff they know nothing about GOD has nothing to do with this machine its all people so sit back and wait for whatever but if you wanna be all GOD GOD GOD the bible code says that an asteroid will do it so QUIT TRIPPING about this machine its just an experiment and i hope they get what they are after out of it or its billions of dollars wasted

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Coby Bryant, Attalla, AL — Sat, 27 Sep 2008 08:24:38 GMT

The scientist need to realize that the rays that the earth is hit by daily are from outside the atmosphere. This planet isn't capable of handling such an internal combustion with no ramifications.Are we really willing to risk all life as we know it to discover a cause to an event that happened so many years ago and virtually will have no positive effect on today's world except the hindsight knowledge of "I wish I wouldn't of flipped that switch"? I appreciate science, however I have no interest in putting something on this planet simply because we can't find the means to go find it in space. Why would someone want to bring a blackhole to earth if we can see the destruction they create in space? Call me crazy but I enjoy my family more than the idea of learning knowledge that will prove useless to 99.997% of the earth's population. It's obvious that becoming a scientist doesn't require you to have common sense or regard for life.

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Kristian, Calgary, Alberta — Sat, 27 Sep 2008 10:26:28 GMT

I think if God took personal interest in stopping the LHC he could do a lot better than melting some wires. They always expected some startup problems with the most complex experement on Earth. This is to be expected, but you can bet someone still broke their hand punching a wall when it happened.

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John Doe, Seattle, Washington — Sat, 27 Sep 2008 10:49:28 GMT

"There will be a lot of collateral damage(death in thousands)during the last phase of this experiment."

You know this how?

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Interns at RainyDayMagazine, Boston MA — Sat, 27 Sep 2008 12:58:31 GMT

"Hey... you can't sail a ship over the horizon, you'll fall off the edge of the world!"

Apparently, the same fear still exists today. Fear can only be overcome by knowledge, not lawsuits.

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Pete Manfredi, Ft. Lauderdale, FL. — Sat, 27 Sep 2008 13:00:28 GMT

I guess that we have no other choice but to wait and see what happens. At least it is not aimed at killing. It just may teach us something and it may show that "Creationism" and "Evolution" have a lot in common. God could have "Created" everything and then let it evolve into what we know and understand today.

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James Tankersley Jr, Middelton WI — Sat, 27 Sep 2008 13:08:06 GMT

Hello Don,

The LHC will create conditions not created by nature on Earth.

In the LHC protons collide head on, like a head on car crash, some resulting particles will travel too slowly to escape Earth's gravity.

When a cosmic ray strikes Earth's atmosphere results all have extremely high speed. If any stable neutral micro black holes were created by Nature they would all travel through Earth and into space.

CERN's LHC Safety Assessment Group acknowledged this in a 16 March 2008 email before they modified their theories a bit.[1]

"While it is true that a BH produced by cosmic rays would not be stopped by the Earth, there are many other "things" in the universe that could trap such CR-produced BH's, thus leading to visible consequences."[1] (that arguments is also refuted)

[1] http://www.lhcconcerns.com/LHCConcerns/
Forums/phpBB3/viewtopic.php?f=2&t=2&st=0
&sk=t&sd=a&start=10 LHC Safety Assessment Group, 16 Mar 2008 2008

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RDY4endlol — Sat, 27 Sep 2008 13:58:00 GMT

Well Im no phycisist or a doomsday guy. I just read what they say. What they are trying to do does not happen everyday. And some have even admitted that "unstable" blackholes could in theory be created but would not last. Let us not forget these guys brought us the nuclear bomb. Personally I'm betting they do make a major breakthrough and find out that those religious "nuts" were right all along; i.e. everything that has been or will be is happening right now and time is just a human way of seeing things. December 2012? Anyone taking bets?

So with the LHC we are able to in some sense re-create the conditions that existed in the universe when it was just a fraction of a second old - the sort of thing that the optical telescopes and just can’t see. So, most powerful microscope … most powerful telescope.

Does not equal

Cosmic rays, with billions of times more energy than the LHC can generate, strike the Earth every minute. And we are still here after billions of years of that bombardment. This is why scientists know they are not going to destroy the Earth

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Michael,kent oh — Sat, 27 Sep 2008 14:09:30 GMT

To repeat what the last two posts said, the interactions in the LHC are neither exceptional or unusual. Until the tinfoil had crowd can tell us what the LHC does that does not happen countless times every day,Im not worried.

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Scott Moroz — Sat, 27 Sep 2008 14:29:27 GMT

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Eric, Salinas, CA — Sat, 27 Sep 2008 15:10:47 GMT

Since we already have the Fermi Lab Tevatron working we already have scientific proof that there will be no black holes mysteriously conjured to swallow the earth. A good thing that the judge used his intellect to make a wise decision. So sad that the religious nutcases post some really clueless comments which do not belong here in a scientific forum for intelligent people.

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Ryan, Rochester, NY — Sat, 27 Sep 2008 15:21:08 GMT

Damn, it got thrown out. Now were not going to have any exciting LHC reportings until they start it back up. Alan, you are going to have to think of something good to fill the gap. Maybe protesters will start to circle the LHC..

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Mark Rodriguez, Elsa, Texas — Sat, 27 Sep 2008 16:07:02 GMT

They shouldn't even be messing with this kind of stuff! Seriously! I know there are many questions in our minds about the universe and stuff, but its not worth putting the earth on the line to find those answers. Its idiotic. I don't trust scientists at all, and I hope that something happens to stop all this. I hate that people can't make a big stand to do things, they just sit back and watch our doomsday coming from curious, stupid scientists.

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Pablo Antequera, New York, New York — Sat, 27 Sep 2008 17:09:50 GMT

Message from god this message from god that. stop saying what you think gods message is....
If we didnt do experiments, you would still be hunting for food. It takes allot of power and energy to create a sutainable black hole. Try a star imploding on itself. Not a machine built by us in 2008. It is not possible.The people making a big deal about this exeperiments are the same people who think that dinasours are nothing but an imagination. Fanatics who interpret the bible in there own way and try to make everyone else follow their lifestyle. Its the same notion if I were to come running out of my house in the 12th century yelling "the earth is round" "the earth is round". I would have been branded as a heretic and accused of seaking against god and burned at the stake.

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Paul Moscow ID — Sat, 27 Sep 2008 17:57:12 GMT

There's a fundamental difference: that process isn't happening in a vacuum.

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Craig Myers, Stratford PE — Sat, 27 Sep 2008 18:25:33 GMT

So what your saying is that the scientist' at Cern are recreating the physics and laws that protect our planet within our atmostphere that have been in existance for thousands if not millions of years within a lab underground that was built 15 years ago when the technology didn't even exist to build the actual machine itself. Seems pretty pompous to me...

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ROb — Sat, 27 Sep 2008 19:37:50 GMT

They are hitting the earth from outside the stratosphere and against our magnetic field.
Not from inside.

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jay, ames, iowa — Sat, 27 Sep 2008 20:27:58 GMT

If this does bring doomsday, I think that it's been long overdue because of the severe moral decline and outright evil people have been doing to one another. I hope they DO continue with the experiment.

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Joe, Wisconsin — Sat, 27 Sep 2008 21:31:37 GMT

I am more worried that we have idiots with PHD's making important decisions. I can hardly believe anyone with such education would be involved in this legal action. I guess a phd isn't what is used to be and any half wit can atain one. Thats what I deduce from this.
Its reasonable to argue we are hit with far more powerfull things everyday and yet here we are. I am embarrassed for these idiots.

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Robert Deardorff, Lebanon, Indiana — Sat, 27 Sep 2008 22:09:19 GMT

This expirement may determine the tele-portation of both inorganic and organic matter. It is a look also in to time. They may be able to warp the process to actually see time. If we are going to go very far into space travel. We will have to find a way to travel at speeds much greater then the speed of light.
Robert G. Deardorff, Lebanon, Indiana

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jeff — Sun, 28 Sep 2008 00:42:24 GMT

Nothing is going to happen, unless u count expanding our understanding of physics as something which apparently most people dont.....

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Anna, Atlanta, GA — Sun, 28 Sep 2008 01:19:08 GMT

Eric,
This is hardly a "scientific forum." It's hosted by MSNBC and their job is to report news. And secondly, just because someone has faith does not mean that they are unintelligent. Quit acting like people can't post and believe what they want in a forum discussing current events.

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Chris Roesing Burlington Wi — Sun, 28 Sep 2008 01:39:01 GMT

If there is a God where does it say we aren't supposed to learn about the things it created and how they work? Perhaps since we were created in the image of a creator we are also supposed to create.

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Jason, Carlsbad, CA — Sun, 28 Sep 2008 02:03:45 GMT

As much as I'm glad that the lawsuit was dismissed, I was kind of hoping that it would go through the whole process before it was dismissed. Dismissal because of a "technicality" (is jurisdiction a technicality?) will do nothing to quiet the doomsayers. Maybe the European courts can provide a measure of solace to those who are needlessly scared, but probably not. I guess we'll have to wait another half year until they can see for themselves that the LHC is harmless and will expand human knowledge, which is always a good thing even if the payoff isn't immediate.

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Jory — Sun, 28 Sep 2008 02:28:37 GMT

Let the scientist have thier experiment for crying out loud! We'd didn't come as far as we have if we did not conduct experiments. Look at the last 100+ years, look how far we have gotten in that time span; we got here through experimenting and not listening to you pesstimistic morons! I'm no physics professional and I could care less, but I beleive that science and technology is the future, not God! All I hear is god that, god this, bah!! A figment of your imagination for the beleivers. If it was to destroy us, fine, again- I could care less. Better dying in the name of science than war. At least we wouldnt push the red button on ourselves! Fools...

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Clare, Los Angeles, CA — Sun, 28 Sep 2008 03:21:24 GMT

Thanks to Dan, the interns, Scott, Eric, et al. for injecting some reason into this. Some scary folks post on these things.

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Ty Wilson, Muldrow, OK — Sun, 28 Sep 2008 03:46:24 GMT

umm... if it were so easy that idiots could get PHd's, everyone who's posting would have one ... or is that kind of logic and rational thinking over your head, Joe?

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Chad Shisler (Grand Rapids, MI — Sun, 28 Sep 2008 04:01:34 GMT

I find some of the things being said in here to be sad, just plain sad. "Stupid scientists"? "Idiots with PhDs"? Seriously?

I doubt that anyone who has posted in this forum has even a Bachelor's degree in theoretical physics, much less a PhD.

The world isn't flat, the Earth isn't at the center of the solar system, atomic bombs don't ignite the atmosphere. The LHC is not going to destroy the Earth.
Even if it does, I'd be greatful to be alive for such an event.

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Chris, PBG, FL — Sun, 28 Sep 2008 04:29:47 GMT

"extend the frontier of physics...help scientists solve puzzles over the origin of the universe, the nature of matter, and dark matter and the potential existence of unseen dimensions" Our quality of life won't change one bit! and we may destroy the world. THIS IS A MASTERS DEGREE IN STUPIDITY!!
Scott Moroz (Sent Saturday, September 27, 2008 10:29 AM)"

I daresay that this sort of outlook is rather near-sighted, based on ignorance. To simply state nothing good will come of an attempt to gain understanding of a vital phenomenon, when historically many of our now common technologies and improvements in our comprehension have been the byproducts of other experiments. Even if the LHC's experiments do not produce the originally intended results, no one can even begin to predict the possible benefits derived from its failure. And if the experiments succede in providing the information they were designed to capture, who are you to judge the extent of their benefit when the people who have devoted their lives to studying and developing the related sciences can't even postulate what they might find aside from a relatively small number of near-given facts.

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Debilyn Gardner — Sun, 28 Sep 2008 05:53:17 GMT

Scientists are examining the effect of destruction, not creation. Check out Keylontic Science: the science of Higher Mathmatics (Sacred Physics), 12 Strand Multidimensional DNA and Higher Consciousness.
www.amentiproject.net The information had been stored on CDT Plates and is now being translated by a highly evolved person. It is knowledge of the Universe's beginnings and our place in the Universe. We live in One 15-Dimensional Time Matrix with 5 Harmonic Universes.

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Larry Gibbs, Levelland, TX — Sun, 28 Sep 2008 08:34:24 GMT

So, you don't worry about global warming (leading to possible slow agonizing death for billions due to food shortages and lack of potable water), but you worry about some theoretical black hole that could *possibly* wipe everything out in an instant... Apparently the same people who voted Bush into office a second time

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Lee farmington nm — Sun, 28 Sep 2008 16:42:43 GMT

So we are running out of FOOD FUEL Clean air 'water
land resources population growth global warming 'possible big earthquake or asteroid from space terroist behind everydoor let's hope we get sucked into a blackhole

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a p garcia — Sun, 28 Sep 2008 17:48:25 GMT

It seems logical to me that a federal judge refuses to intervene since this project is in Switzerland and a US federal judge was asked to intervene. I have one question to the judge, "Why use 26 pages, when it is not even in this country?

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Frank Glover Rochester, NY — Sun, 28 Sep 2008 18:13:18 GMT

"Its idiotic. I don't trust scientists at all.."

So...what *do* you trust, Mark? It's because of those untrustworthy scientists that we even know black holes of any kind can exist to begin with.

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John Underwood, Little Rock, AR — Sun, 28 Sep 2008 19:12:05 GMT

It's high time this frivolous lawsuit brought by that know-nothing NON-PHYSICIST Walter Wagner was dismissed as the joke it was. For those of you who don't know, Wagner is a biology major who is a physics dilettante. A so-called "nuclear safety officer" does not a physicist make. Wagner's a complete fraud [...]

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Paulie — Sun, 28 Sep 2008 19:20:07 GMT

Jason said: "Dismissal because of a "technicality" (is jurisdiction a technicality?) will do nothing to quiet the doomsayers."

First of all, jurisdiction is not some fuzzy legal technicality - it is a rock-solid argument against allowing this lawsuit to proceed. Second of all, Wagner undoubtedly knew this, and knew he didn't have a chance with this lawsuit. This tells me he's just a crackpot and publicity-seeker.

Let's face it - although conspiracy theorists and "end-of-the-world" types have never, ever been right in the entire history of mankind, it's obvious that they will never stop their loony babbling, no matter how solid the grounds for dismissal. That's because these people are usually either the aforementioned publicity hounds like Wagner, or mentally unbalanced, or both.

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Kevin S., San Antonio, Texas — Sun, 28 Sep 2008 19:29:47 GMT

For the scientists and engineers coducting this experiement, for them, I do not believe that they are in it for the "science vs. religion" part. We were made to answer some damn questions of our exsistence and everything else in this universe. Nothing in this world ever said that science has ever "slowed down" the progression of our knowledge and with that, technology. Experiments are done to get things right, 'cause now they variafiable evidence that something is true, or in some cases, false. I am not that naive that some of people at the LHC are not trying to quite the religious nasayers, but there are many good people scientist that are humbly trying to figure out what really goes on in the universe.

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Wahington DC — Sun, 28 Sep 2008 20:05:54 GMT

Good move by the judge. What a bunch of boneheads for bringing this suit in the state of Hawaii. They should have filed it in Europe.

Hopefully, if they do file in Europe, it will be shot down. I am kinda looking forward to having a few black holes that could suck up some other black holes like Congress or the White House...

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Regular John — Sun, 28 Sep 2008 20:39:54 GMT

You know what? IMO, they DID the experiment. Then something went bad OR either really well, they don't want to reveal the results, so they mad3e up something to tell the press 'til the stir calms down. Then they will seek commercial profit with their findings,AND LAST, they'll reveal partly to the media.
I'm not a conspiracy-paranoic geek just like that, they made me that.

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Mirielle — Sun, 28 Sep 2008 21:49:12 GMT

Hey Chad --Perhaps you don't have a bachelor's degree. I'll bet quite a few posting here do. I have a Masters. all sorts of people read these things and all sorts post on them.

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Josaline, anchourage, ak — Sun, 28 Sep 2008 21:52:25 GMT

Why are we persuing things like this? Why can't we just put that money to a better cause? Like I saw in one of the previous posts, i doubt 99.997% of the world's population would even put these principles into action. It doesn't seem to be helping anyone. All the LHC is doing so far is freaking people out and making them angry!

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Tim Rommes, Washington, UT — Sun, 28 Sep 2008 22:06:39 GMT

Paul Moscow,
Please explain your "fundemental difference" arguement. This will cause you to actually think about it. That process, thinking, should clear things right up.

ROb,
Do you think the direction matters?

Joe,
About the idiots with PhDs. You probably can't even come up with the argument without the education. It wasn't worked through to any logical end, but most people couldn't have even started this foolishness.

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Wilson, Brisbane, Australia — Mon, 29 Sep 2008 01:19:51 GMT

While the Hawaii case has been dismissed on really the technicality of jurisdictional grounds, I believe it is a major victory in the battle of ideas, and hopefully will increase the chance of success of the European case.

Note the following excerpts from an initial Hawaii press report (www.starbulletin.com > News):

“Gillmor did not address whether the collider poses a danger to the Earth. She said there is a disagreement among scientists about the possible ramifications of the collider.”

In this statement Gillmor elevated the scientists questioning CERN to the same standing of those defending CERN - Nobel prizes on the CERN side notwithstanding. This is, to me, a very important development.

“ "This extremely complex debate is of concern to more than just physicists," Gillmor said.”
This judicial statement gives great authority to the point of how CERN with its studies done in the club - the “26 physicists” and signed off by CERN Council, which cannot avoid the appearance of bias because of its earlier decisions to fund the LHC - can be open to the appearance to have arranged the safety assessment to give it answers convenient to it.
The judicial statement should help the European Court case which asks for a proper safety conference with a “plurality’ of expertise – including arms-length expertise - not just ever more physicists or participants like CERN Council who can appear biased.

“...she said the proper venue for the debate over U.S. support for the program is in Congress…”

This again is saying that a proper decision-making process involving public representatives should exist.

I am sure many thoughtful people worldwide will clearly see that the Hawaii case achieved important steps toward better risk governance of the LHC and hence for the safety of civilisation and the planet.

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Peter Owen, UK — Mon, 29 Sep 2008 13:16:32 GMT

I suppose the LHC is not american then!

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Mike, Long Island, NY — Mon, 29 Sep 2008 16:11:58 GMT

the world is flat
we didn't land on the moon
there is a face on mars
the shooters on the grassy knoll
aliens landed at roswell
Tunguska was an exploding alien spaceship
the bermuda triangle is a wormhole
the philidelphia experiment telleported a ship
Atlantis existed off of Bermuda
Atlantis was in the Azores
Atlantis was in the Mediteranean
Atlantians were space travelers
Aliens mutilate cows
the chupacabra mutilates cows
the chupacabra is an alien space dog
loch ness has a monster
Lake champlain has a monster
Montauk has a monster too
bigfoot
the yeti
jesus appeared on a water stain under a bridge
mary appeared in the bark of a tree
jesus appeared on grilled cheese sandwich
there was a pope that could fly
elvis is alive
Paul is dead
Mama cass was killed by a ham sandwich
eating pop rocks and soda will kill you
the world will end in 1986, 1992, 2000, 2001, 2007, 2012, 2036, etc, etc.
the antichrist is born
Hitler was the antichrist
napolean was the antichrist
Obama is the antichrist
Bush was behind 9-11
jews were behind 9-11
the devil is responsible for 9-11
the devil went down to georgia
the world was created in 7 days
the world floats on a giant sea turtle
the world was created by aliens
you can't get pregnant your first time

AND
the LHC will create black holes that will destroy the world.

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Azusa, CA. — Mon, 29 Sep 2008 18:33:55 GMT

I don't know that this experiment worries me any more than any other. I do know that in the name of science a lot of really awful shit has come down on our heads. I know what people are going to say w/o the technology you would not be sitting at this desk right now typing onto the internet. I agree, but would not mind giving up a lot of "modern conveniences" to go back to a life where we did not do so much damage to ourselves with these advancements not to even get me started on what we are doing to earth. I don't believe that you can stop "progress" and I really don't believe that you can go back. Where does that leave us on the path to hell on earth I think. Utopia does not exist for us as humans, our consciousness of ourselves leaves almost nothing, but self pride and that leads us to our own destruction.

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Daniel, Toronto, Ohio — Mon, 29 Sep 2008 20:45:53 GMT

Here is my answer as a religious person:
If the LHC causes the end of life on the Earth for mankind, then this will be a good subject to talk about in our after life, would it not?

Here is my answer as someone with a Bachelors Degree.
It seems that mankind has a way of coming up with answers just in the nick of time to save a lot of people: Penicillin, for instance. Maybe this will find a way to get us off the planet in time to save our civilization before the next mantle bubble explodes, or an asteroid collision or whatever might causes another global extinction.

We don’t need to be calling these smart people idiots. I have more faith in their judgment that I have faith in doctors, these days. The scientists aren’t trying to take my money just because I have insurance. But, that is another subject for another blog.

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Rob, Sacramento CA — Mon, 29 Sep 2008 20:46:58 GMT

[...] Despite what the naysayers like to believe, the results of experiments like these eventually help improve all our lives. Next time you turn on a light, talk on a cell phone, or read this post on a computer you can thank some scientist doing so called "useless" experiments.

I'd be more worried about the naive stupidity of people causing actual problems then this experiment.

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Tim Rommes, Washington, UT — Tue, 30 Sep 2008 01:33:00 GMT

Josaline,
Particle colliders don't freak people out and make them angry, people freak people out and make them angry.

Wilson,
Poppycock. Your argument aside, your conclusion is whack. The only things Congress could do are decide not to further fund it or declare war on CERN. The war against particle physics. We know we have some of their fundementalists working in cells in Illinois, but CIA and FBI are watching them closely. We can not stand by idly while the eggheads attack the globe. I guess I can sort of see that.

Mike,
I disagree with two items on your list. The rest were spot on. Good work.

"Azusa"
I know what you mean. Advancements that lowered the infant death rate suck. The only thing worse is keeping people alive so long that really terrible diseases can overtake their bodies. I mean, how many people and their families suffered through Alzheimer's when 30 was old? Damn scientists.

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1942-199, Oregon — Tue, 30 Sep 2008 07:03:18 GMT

Alot of people feared that spliting the atom would cause a massive chain reation that would ignite the atmosphere and kill us all. Newspapers and people freaked out when they found out about this little tidbit. The public and media ignored the scientists and went into a frenzy for a short while.
We have reactors operating all over world. Who was right in that case?

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MLJ, Singapore, Singapore — Tue, 30 Sep 2008 14:18:51 GMT

"Why put ourselves at risk...?", "What possible use could we have for something like this...?", "Why are we tempting fate...?"

Questions like these have all been asked before.

Truth is, in the grand scale of things, these so-called risks we are exposing ourselves to are no more than what our early ancestors faced when they first started doing the following: eating fruits and plants outside of their usual dietary patterns (risk of ingesting something poisonous and dying); hunting different kinds of prey (risk of becoming hunted instead and getting killed); sailing to places beyond what their eyes could see (risk of falling off the face of the earth to their deaths) - you get the picture.

At the time there must have been dozens of different reasons not to do those things too. But brave men and women eventually went ahead and did them despite - and I emphasis this - the speculative nature of the risks involved (just like some of the arguments here), and we are better off today because of it.

Even if you have none of the enterprise that characterises mankind's earliest feats of exploration and discovery, consider this: if the LHC does not bring about the end of humankind, would you want to be mentioned in the same breath as those who so long ago believed that the earth was flat, and, more recently, those who were convinced the world would end in Y2K?

I'd rather support the LHC instead, if only to remain comforted in the knowledge that in the event our little experiment does cause a black hole to swallow the universe... hey, at least history won't have time to remember which side I took. :)

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Mica, Manhattan Beach, CA — Tue, 30 Sep 2008 18:53:18 GMT

the ignorance here is dizzying. to say that there will be no advancements in our quality of life is to completely neglect history. it shows a complete lack of understanding of how technology has advanced over the last 3,000 years.

most advancements in technology have come as a result of some outrageous, forward thinking experiment that has had "spinoff" technologies come as a result. see nuclear bomb.

truth is that the scientists involved can't, or won't speculate on what "might" come of the LHC other than some greater knowledge of our universe/multiverse (what have you), but any person with an understanding of scientific history will know unequivocally that there will almost certainly be more than just a few major advances in quality of life based off of the experiments run at the LHC.

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Craig, Stratford, CA — Wed, 01 Oct 2008 17:27:56 GMT

LoL. The Evolutionists of us want to build a time/space machine to live longer or live forever and the Creationists of us don't want to tick God off in the process. Either way the big question will finally be answered. If God exists than he won't obviously allow humans to destroy earth completely and if he doesn't exists than, as long as your having fun, who cares :)

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Tim Rommes, Washington, UT — Sun, 05 Oct 2008 12:19:34 GMT

There was a made for TV movie on yesterday. It was called "The Black Hole." A particle collider made a black hole that sort of hovered there, started eating St. Louis, and released an interdimensional monster that was killing people. We're lucky that was just a movie. If it had been a documentary we'd all be screwed.

Doomsday lawsuit dismissed

John Machnak, Milford, MI — Mon, 06 Oct 2008 14:53:04 GMT

First and for most! You must understand black holes. A large singularity that eats matter and spits out! WHAT NOTHING!!!!! Bull, it spits out dark energy, anti matter and all that's necessary to balance the universe. And we expect to make one! Ha!

Doomsday lawsuit dismissed

Url — Tue, 07 Oct 2008 15:03:18 GMT

Hey it was the educated experts in the past who thought the world was flat.

That smoking was actually healthy.

That the largest technologically advanced ship for her time was unsinkable. The Titanic never even made it across the Atlantic on her first trip out of dry dock.

Experts are wrong like the rest of the humans about things. We learn from mistakes.

Losing earth may be a mistake or not.