Galaxy goes on the black hole diet

steve smyth — Fri, 20 Jun 2008 00:51:41 GMT

Alan, I love the Universe as Digestive Tract analogy...kinda Humanizes the whole SheBang...
don'tcha think?
have a click on my name to check out something new along the same Humanizing lines from SmythSpace...
gotta love serendipity...even whan ya gotta work at making it happen...semi-serendipitousness?

Galaxy goes on the black hole diet

David, Pigeon Forge, TN — Fri, 20 Jun 2008 09:21:46 GMT

Wouldn't it me marvelous if we could manufacture miniscule black holes and harness the power from the jets of energy emitted from them?

Galaxy goes on the black hole diet

Tim Rommes, Washington, UT — Fri, 20 Jun 2008 13:37:32 GMT

So the gist of this is that falling into a hole left by uncovering a sewer manhole is basically the same as falling into a hole left by emptying your pool. I'll have to see if I can find out what the expectations were. I'll check back for links if any of you know what different things were expected by some.

Galaxy goes on the black hole diet

Richard L Lee — Fri, 20 Jun 2008 19:19:25 GMT

How does a mass as small as a proton have enough gravity associated with it to become a black hole? I must misunderstand what a black hole is.

Galaxy goes on the black hole diet

Tim Rommes, Washington, UT — Sat, 21 Jun 2008 05:47:18 GMT

Richard,
Black holes that small cannot come to exist in "the normal way" of stellar evolution. Their existance is theorized as the result of high energy interactions. I think they're temporary, having insufficient real mass to sustain themselves, and I don't think they're real black holes but rather naked singularities. If I understand it correctly we could aim two beams at a point and if we get lucky enough for the stuff of the beams to interact in just the right way, a local gravity anomaly produces a naked singularity for micro-, maybe even milli-, seconds. It would have the effect of sending out a short burst, catastrophic, gravity wave. It's one of the many mathmatically possible gravity weapons, most of which fit securely under the heading of "suicide gun."
Making one of these singularities makes all the sense of burning propane to run a refrigerator. By the way, that's the way camper fridges used to work. For this to work we'd need to be able to convert energy to gravity, which is what unified theory is all about. Can it be done? Maybe. Should it be done? Not near my planet.

Galaxy goes on the black hole diet

Tim Rommes, Washington, UT — Sat, 21 Jun 2008 06:23:30 GMT

Such a good question, Richard. I've just had a mild panic attack from being so unsure after I posted my last comment. A lot of that is from years back and fuzzy in my head. So I looked in the universally accepted as always correct because somebody took the time to write it Wikipedia. They listed a primordial or mini black hole. It's possible for them to evaporate away. Neither of these things is what I was thinking. And they have them as possibly produced by high energy particle interactions. I was thinking energy beams, but particles could work. I don't see how you could get particle beams to produce a real black hole. Even if you collapsed the earth down to black hole density, it still only has the mass of the earth. It might fit in a teaspoon so you could get a lot closer to it's center. In that event standing on the surface of the earth would crush you, but I think you wouldn't have a dense enough gravity field to create a horizon. That's a gut feeling, no math. But my gut says no black hole, just a hole. I'd expect it to pull in most passing stuff closer than a few hundred yards. The moon, of course would be completely unaffected. Even if it were a black hole. Because it's still just the mass of the earth.
Back to your original question, though. There's a lot of empty space in an atom. In a simple hydrogen atom, all the space not taken up by the proton and the electron is just empty space. In a black hole that empty space would go away. What happens then is anyone's guess. The obvious answer is that a hydrogen atom would take up the volume of a proton and electron. The unobvious answer is that under conditions in a black hole matter takes on wavelike qualities. The waves from different particles can co-exist spatially, so the entire universe could be condensed down to billions and billions of waves all in the same space, much smaller than a proton but with the mass of the entire universe. I made that up, but it could be. It doesn't matter how small a black hole gets. As long as it maintains it's apparent mass you couldn't tell the difference gravitationally.