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Inside the space debate

Posted: Wednesday, November 04, 2009 6:35 PM by Alan Boyle


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NASA's Ares I-X rocket rises during October test.

The countdown is ticking toward some multibillion-dollar decisions on America's future in space, as explained in my big-picture analysis today. When the space shuttle fleet is retired, will NASA stay the course with its Ares rocket development effort, or will it emphasize buying seats on other people's spaceships instead? It's a question that touches upon technical as well as political complexities.

Want to feel like an insider? Here are some Web sites that give you countdown status reports on the space debate:

  • NASA Spaceflight: This is the ultimate site for gearheads, boasting an array of forums where folks who actually work for (or with) the space agency pass along engineering reports, internal status updates and other goodies. If there's any little hiccup with Ares or the shuttle program, NASA Spaceflight will be on it. Be prepared, however, to deal with references to the SSP, ISS, MEI, FRRs and other TLAs (three-letter acronyms) that are rife in NASAspeak. 

  • NASA Watch: For more than a decade, Keith Cowing's blog has kept an eye on the space agency's goings-on - occasionally much to the dismay of the agency itself. Cowing doesn't shy away from taking NASA to task for its sins of commission or omission. He's also one of the guys behind SpaceRef, OnOrbit and a whole constellation of space-themed portals.

  • Spaceflight Now: This Web site keeps close track of a wide spectrum of space developments, and it ranks among the fastest and most authoritative sources for launch updates. Journalists Miles O'Brien, David Waters and Kate Tobin team up with former astronaut Leroy Chiao to do a postmortem on last week's Ares I-X launch.

  • Hyperbola: Rob Coppinger's video-heavy blog at Flight Global serves up inside scoops on space developments. Because Coppinger is based in Britain, you'll find more of an international spin, lighter on NASA and heavier on, say, Virgin Galactic.

  • Space Politics: Washington-based consultant Jeff Foust runs several blogs about the frontiers of spaceflight (plus one of the most active Twitter accounts in the space biz). Space Politics is the one that follows the back-and-forth debate over NASA's future most closely. Just today, for example, Foust is passing along WFTV's report that a White House decision on NASA's future could come sometime around Thanksgiving.

  • RLV and Space Transport News: Clark Lindsey's blog covers the waterfront when it comes to space news - not only about NASA, but about other new and old players in the commercial space race. A companion blog, "Space for All," highlights developments that are less closely tied to space transportation. Taken together, Lindsey's Web site is a one-stop shopping center for the latest from (and about) the final frontier.

  • Space.com: My colleague Tariq Malik reminds me that Space.com has oodles of coverage of NASA's rocket debate - primarily in its Spaceflight section. The Web operation, which is one of msnbc.com's longest-running content partners, is so mainstream that I probably take it more for granted than I should. Space.com also draws upon content from Space News, a weekly newspaper that's a must-read for those interested in the inner workings of the space industry.

Feel free to add your own recommendations for space policy status updates (such as Aviation WeekTransterrestrial Musings, Parabolic Arc and Ghost NASA, for example) as comments below.  

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I'm sorry, but the ONLY blog that always says (and, often, PREDICT) the TRUTH about the Ares-1 and the future of human space exploration is my http://www.ghostNASA.com/
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ONLY in my blog articles you can read why the SRB-5 can't work, why the Ares-1 can't fly, why the 1-X test isn't a true success, why the Augustine Commission report has added lots of confusion rather than give SOLUTIONS, why the "commercial space" isn't "cheaper" nor can replace the Shuttle, etc.
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and the latest news says that... "NASA Drops Ares I-Y Flight-test"
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http://www.aviationweek.com/aw/generic/story_channel.jsp?channel=space&id=news/Flighttest110409.xml&headline=NASA%20Drops%20Ares%20I-Y%20Flight-test
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the official reason (a "lack of funds" to buy an ALREADY awarded for $1.2 Bn and PAID to P&WR "$15M each" J-2X engine) sounds only like a BIG excuse ... probably, the (NOT revealed yet!) full data of the Ares 1-X and of the SRB-5 test are bad, weak and disappointing... so, there is no need to insist in the wrong way
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everything already said in my 1-X article:
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http://www.ghostnasa.com/posts2/057afailedtest.html
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please note, that, also before its deleting, the 1-Y test was a completely useless idea, to know, NOW (when the decision about the Ares-1 must be taken) if the new rocket can fly, since the test was planned to be performed 5+ years away from now, around 2014-2016
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"Because of the cost-constrained environment that we've been in, I just cannot get an engine to that vehicle soon enough," Hanley said.
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but... each J-2X should cost ONLY $15 million, that is... 30 times LESS the 1-X test, or... 4 times LESS one SSME, or... 50 times LESS one Shuttle launch, or... 200 times LESS the "price" paid to ATK to add a 5th segment to the SRB ... :(
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Alan,

You've got a great blogroll, and thank you for including Out of the Cradle (which just published an article on scholarships and competitions for space students).

I would suggest SpaceVidCast - timely, topical, and fun!  Also Selenian Boondocks, which has some of the best archives around for rocket ideas.
You are just so full of cheer for Americas program! The Ares-1 is a disaster, The Ares-1 failed at this, The Ares-1 failed at that! Are you an Engineer? Then why are you not at NASA right telling the "Big Honchos" what they need to do in order to make The Ares-1 Fly Right? I read some your blogs you "Seem" to know what you are talking about! Do you think that maybe we should just go ahead and build another Shuttle-Orbiter!  HURRY.....HURRY....HURRY....We know that the folks down at NASA's Flight-Center have door open for someone just like you with a "Keen and Razor-Sharp Intellect", to come in and show all of us peasants our Tremendous Folly! However in the world did we think that we could go into space without your "Seeming Kindness"!

HOW COME THAT NOTHING THAT I'VE EVER POSTED HERE EVER SHOWS UP! NOTHING ON YOU Alan Boyle, YOU WRITE SOME OF BEST SPACE ARTICLES ON THE NET, BUT I'M THINKING IS IT REALLY WORTH MY TIME TO EVEN READ THE ARTICLE WHEN I'M NOT ALLOWED TO PARTICIPATE IN THE COMMENTARY POSTINGS! I would like to know what the hell is up with this.....Is this like one of those secret hand-shake societies!

[ALAN ADDS: I should remind folks again that I have to approve comments before they appear, an exercise that proves on a daily basis that I'm not perfect. Sometimes it takes a while before I can log in (due in part to a panel discussion I was serving on last night) and sometimes I approve comments that in retrospect maybe I shouldn't have approved (or passed over comments that should have been approved). So I'm sorry for any lapses.]

Alan Boyle's Big Picture Analysis is an excellent summation of NASA's choices as to how to proceed. The Ares 1-X obviously needs fine-tuning and, as recommended in a book titled Sunstroke by David Kagan, should be modified to land astronauts on a near-Earth asteroid to determine firsthand the best method of deflecting a huge space rock from striking the Earth. This would be a far more redeeming mission than servicing the ISS, or returning humans to the Moon. The recent asteroidal explosion over Indonesia really underscores this.
Alan - I second your endorsement of Clark's blog for "one-stop shopping," but might also suggest spacetoday.net.  It's a compilation of virtually all web headlines on space, and some on astronomy etc. Requires more discrimination, but I sometimes find useful stuff that Clark doesn't hit... or at least sometimes a bit before he hits it.
The future of spaceflight at the dawn of the early 21st century was decided last week on Wednesday (October 28, 2009) with the successful launch of the Ares-1-X, which (a) moved "Ares" to top of the NASA spaceflight vocabulary and (b) set the proof of concept foundation for its successor, the Ares V . . .

And perhaps to the consternation of all the so-called "experts" who so readily promote alternative strategies, the decision was based entirely on the wisdom revealed to the world just over 100 years ago by the greatest scientist of the 20th century, Professor Sigmund Freud, the Father of Victorian Relativity . . .

Astute observers, such as myself and others from the planet Mars, could not help but notice the overwhelming fact that the Ares-1-X rocket basically looks like a giant sperm, and in the grand scheme of everything, how can anyone beat it other than with the Ares V, which (a) is nearly one-third taller than a football field is long and (b) is approximately 380 feet longer than an Oscar Mayer wiener?

Form follows function, and when one is striving to seed the universe with people, I think the best and most successful strategy is to go with what you know works, which overall does not require a lot of dot-connecting with respect to understanding the fact that something must be working in the form and function department when there are six or so billion people on the planet, a fact which tends strongly to suggest that, unless there have been some hithertofore undisclosed advances in cloning, all of them are the direct results of at least an equal number of personal Ares "launches" . . .

Basically, so long as men are making the decisions at NASA, there are not going to be any cute and curvy Venusian spaceships painted with fluffy bunnies, bouncy butterflies, and sparkly rainbows . . .

Sooner or later, President Obama will make the decision which forever associates him with a rocket, and I think he is more than sufficiently bright to understand fully that when one is focused on an impressive legacy, nothing beats having one's portrait next to a photograph of the tallest and longest "rocket" in the history of the known universe--the Ares V--which is an impressive 18 feet taller than the Saturn V rocket of the 1960s, which is fabulous . . .

http://www.surfwhammys.com/music/21_Really-Big-Knob-10-11-2009-MP3-VBR.mp3

Fabulous!
Good list of news sites, apart from the GhostNASA blog which is the rantings of an conspiracy theorist in Italy, and the most active spammers of comment sections. Its claim that the Columbia crew were murdered by NASA for political reasons should immediately see its removal from this fine site. He also claims all NASA's ideas are being stolen from his site. I wish Mr Boyle had actually looked at that site before posting it or allowing his continued spam on here and all other sites. Clearly Mr Boyle's journalism skills did not reach that far as to actually research what he's written about at the end of his post.
Well, there's always NASAWATCH:
http://www.nasawatch.com/

But MSNBC's space coverage is pretty good by itself; they *were* one of the few outles to report on Obama's plan to kill Constellation and use its funds for social programs back in Dec'06.

And this week it offered up this "hopeful" view of our future:

http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/33615624/ns/world_news-washington_post/
Signature quote:
"The United States may have to buy a seat to the moon on an Indian spaceship, said Rakesh Sharma, India's first astronaut, who in 1984 was aboard the Soviet Union's Soyuz T-11 space shuttle. "Now that would be something," Sharma said. "Maybe budget cuts could usher in an era of more cooperation rather than competition and distrust.""

Yeah, let's outsource space exploration.
Let somebody else do all the work and learn how to master space; we'll just do the space tourist thing as log as the money lasts.
Talk about eating your seed corn...

You won't see that on the evening news, now, will you?

MSNBS Space is my first news stop every day.
Keep it up guys!
Kind of depressing story today Alan.  What's depressing is that there is no definitive guideline for moving forward with NASA's plans to make the new Constellation program work at getting us back to the moon and opn to Mars someday.  The Augustine Report is a piece of psuedo intellectual garbage and has done nothing but muddy the waters of where NASA is headed.

The one major fault of the Constellation program, other than the bushwhacker deciding it, was that it was an arrogant ignorant attempt for our country to thumb it's nose at the rest of the world as far as space exploration goes.  Instead of another space race the Constellation program should be changed to allow for bringing in foreign countries to cooperate the way we did with the highly successful International Space Station.  NASA wouldn't have the big budget problem it does now if the Constellation program is opened up to foreign cooperation.
Why is government getting an ever stronger hold on so called civilian efforts?

Remember, NASA is the sole and only 'Administrator' of Space.

Try to imagine the huge egos on the guys who gave themselves the task of administering the vastness.

So far, they have poked and prodded, done some deeper penetration, and generated bazillions of images.

Sounds more like soft core porno than Space Exploration, eh?

Add in the ubiquitous rocket powered cylinder, and every Geek alive gets off.

But, Humanity gets nowhere fast.

The most enduring dreams we have...Expansion and Understanding...soured, contracted, and poorly explained by Administrative Geeks with huge egos and...you guess the rest.

Way to go Space Administrators.

http://lynnkid.blogspot.com
Gaetano- you are truly a legend in your own mind.  You turn up as often as Harold Stassen in a political campaign (there's an old-time reference for you).

Alan- my favorite site has been Selenian Boondocks, but Jon Goff who runs it has been working towards Masten Space Systems' rocket tests this year, and without his heavy involvement, the site is less interesting than it has been in the past.

Space Review is a good place for background articles on the history of man in space.

On Orbit is another site by Keith Cowling's group, and also worth a visit, tying together articles from the many sites they maintain.
I would not recommend going to Transterrestrial Musings.  While the author has good analysis pieces in other places like Popular Mechanics, this site is full of insults towards those who do not agree with him.  However, Out of the Cradle is good for items you can't find at other sites.  I also like Space Review, Space Today (site of daily space-related links), openNASA, and The Space Show.
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just a further doubt about the 1-X test...
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one of the questions asked in my two-years-old "The Ares-1 can't fly" article was...
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"There is another problem I've remarked over one year ago on a Space forum... the SRBs are NOT born to have any "upperstages' mass" since they fly side-mounted on the Shuttle... then, my question was, and still is: CAN the SRB structure (especially the RINGS junctions) support up to 200 mT [227 real] of upperstages' mass without any risks to crack due to the strong flight's stress? If real tests (like the Ares 1-X launch in 2009) will show that a standard structure can't support so much upperstages' mass, the new SRB must be reinforced adding much more weight to the (already too heavy) 1st stage of the Ares-1."
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well... are we SURE that the damages in the 1-X test came from a parachute's malfunction and (as a consequence) a too strong impact in the ocean... or... it came from TOO MUCH upperstages weight on an SRB booster NOT BORN to have any mass atop it????
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I'm suspicious about the eventual stability of the Ares-1.  Did you see the stage separation?  The 2nd stage tumbled sideways instead of continuing on a ballistic path.  I'm sure Gaetano has something on that on his site...
@Barney L. Cornett
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I just said (years ago) that the Ares-1 can't fly (and I'm not alone on saying that) then, put the Orion on a better rocket, and it will fly!
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Jose M said... "conspiracy theorist"
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there are no conspiracy theories in my blog and everything published there is explained in its logic and reasons
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Jose M said... "Its claim that the Columbia crew were murdered by NASA for political reasons should immediately see its removal from this fine site."
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you confuse me with someone else or (simply) you want to insult me, since I've never said that, nor things like that, not here, nor elsewhere!
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