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Back to the lunar future?

Posted: Friday, September 25, 2009 7:40 PM by Alan Boyle


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An artist's conception from 1978 shows a processing plant for lunar soil.

Is this week's revelation that water ice is more prevalent on the moon than scientists expected a "game-changer" for future spaceflight, as some experts think? Actually, the rules of the game for going beyond Earth orbit haven't changed - but the latest findings could bring new attention to options in the old playbooks.

The publication of three studies in Science about ice on the moon, plus yet another study about buried water ice on Mars, comes at an interesting time. More than five years after the White House set a goal of sending humans back to the moon by 2020, an independent panel chaired by retired aerospace executive Norman Augustine is wrapping up a full report that takes a second look at all the options for human spaceflight. (A summary report was sent to the White House earlier this month.)

At the same time, NASA is on the verge of taking two significant steps in its renewed moon effort: On Oct. 9, the LCROSS probe is due to slam into a crater near the lunar south pole, a dark pit that could contain usable reservoirs of ice. Later next month, the space agency will go ahead with a test launch of its prototype Ares I-X moon rocket.

For all these reasons, the back-to-the-moon plan - which was turning into a case of "been there, done that 40 years ago" - is starting to look sexy again.

"If we have water, we have the core elements needed to support life," Rick Tumlinson, co-founder of the Space Frontier Foundation, said in a statement issued after the latest moon-ice reports. "H2O is a magic formula: We can drink it, raise crops with it, or even break it down for oxygen to breathe. We can even recombine the hydrogen and oxygen to make rocket propellant. Confirming the widespread existence of moonwater means we have a nearby oasis in space around which we can build the true human communities beyond Earth. There will be flowers on the moon in our lifetimes."

Second thoughts?
You might think the latest research is sparking second thoughts among the members of the Augustine panel, formally known as the Review of Human Space Flight Plans Committee. But that's not necessarily so: It turns out that panel members were given a confidential briefing on the research while they were working on their report.

"The research we heard about was at a very early stage of development," Charles Kennel, a panel member and chairman of the National Academies Space Studies Board, told me in an e-mail exchange. "It certainly has exciting implications, if true, but it is way too early to base any planning for human spaceflight on it, in my view."

Another member of the panel, XCOR Aerospace CEO Jeff Greason, said the findings were "incredibly important." At the very least, the options for exploiting that lunar ice needed to be investigated further, he said.

"The real question has been, it's hard to know how serious to get about planning for the economic exploitation of lunar resources," he told me, "because No. 1, we haven't done it, and No. 2, nobody's sure there's enough to worry about. Now the preponderance of evidence is that there's enough to worry about."

The moon is not literally an oasis, of course. The most optimistic estimates put the water content of lunar soil at one part per 1,000 - which is drier than the Sahara Desert. According to Brown University's Carle Pieters, the lead researcher behind one of the Science studies, you'd need to process a baseball diamond's worth of dirt to get a drink of water.

But if you could turn the processing of lunar dirt over to robots, like a space-age Sorcerer's Apprentice, eventually the machines would build up enough water for drinking and irrigation, enough oxygen for breathing, and enough hydrogen for fuel. If nothing else, the moon could serve as a low-gravity fueling station for deep-space journeys headed for elsewhere.

"I would hope that an outgrowth of whatever direction national policymakers take NASA in would include developing a transportation system such that reaching the lunar surface is economically sensible," said Greason, who emphasized he was speaking merely for himself rather than the committee.

Moon first, or Mars first?
You might think the "Moon First" option - the option that NASA is now basically pursuing - should remain the favored path. But that's not necessarily so, either: Greason emphasized that the panel didn't see the choices facing NASA as sticking with the International Space Station vs. landing on the moon vs. landing on Mars vs. going to other places in space.

"When we started, we were thinking about it like that," he said, "and the menu of things was pretty much, there's ISS, there's the moon, there are lower-gravity bodies, Lagrange points, near-Earth asteroids, the Martian moons, and then there's Mars. What do we do? As we worked on the problem, it became clear that ISS had value, that it was likely going to be an enterprise that it made sense to carry on at least for a little while.

"Now it's not a 'versus,'" he said. "It's 'we're going to do ISS, and then what? Why are we doing this?' It's our view that the organizing theme is that we're embarking upon the work of becoming a multiplanet species. Mars is a key destination for that, but we're not ready to do it right now."

There'll always be a moon vs. Mars rivalry, because both destinations have their pluses and minuses. Robert Zubrin, a rocket scientist who is president of the Mars Society, said "there are discoveries waiting to be made" on both worlds. But he argues that the Red Planet should be the main focus because it offers so many more resources - and so many more possibilities for addressing the big questions about life's origins and humanity's future.

Zubrin said the options being presented to the White House are fundamentally flawed because they don't set an ambitious goal for the next decade - the kind of goal that President John Kennedy set back in 1961. "We could be on Mars by the end of the next decade," Zubrin said.

This week's revelations about the discovery of nearly pure water ice close to the surface at Mars' northern midlatitudes reinforces Zubrin's opinion. "It makes a settlement on Mars sustainable, because you don't have to bring resources from Earth," he said.

Tumlinson, however, sees things differently. The moon is close enough to make the perfect test bed for the technologies required for Martian settlement, he told me. And knowing that there more water ice than expected on the moon could make for an easier sell.

"The next planetary destination obviously should be the moon," he said. "The moon is a harsher mistress than Mars. If we can learn to make it there, we'll make it anywhere."

First, take one small step
The news about ice on the moon, and on Mars, highlight the need for technologies aimed at water extraction and purification - technologies that would be useful virtually anywhere we could land in the solar system (even Mercury!), and perhaps useful here on Earth as well.

One unorthodox extraction technique calls for "nuking" the moon with microwaves from lunar orbit, which would turn embedded ice into water vapor. The water would be collected when it refreezes at the surface.

NASA is working on other methods for pulling resources out of lunar soil, and next month, teams will vie for prizes in a contest for moon-digging robots.

Schemes for processing materials from the moon have been kicking around for decades, as illustrated by this concept from 1978. Maybe it's time to blend those 30-year-old dreams with some 21st-century innovation. Developing new technologies for water extraction would fit right in with a step-by-step "flexible path" to deep space - an option that got a sympathetic hearing from Greason and his fellow panel members.

"The whole question of 'do we do this, or that, or the other thing' is a false choice," he said. "The only question is, 'What order do you do these things in?'"

There's one other question, however: "What can we afford to do?" The key decision facing the Obama administration has to do with how much NASA's budget could be boosted to fund future exploration. Just today, the Government Accountability Office released a report saying that NASA's current plan for future spaceflight was underfunded and lacked a "solid business case."

The Augustine panel estimated the annual cost of a solid exploration program at $3 billion per year. If sufficient funding can't be found for NASA's ambitious goals in space, America "should accept the disappointment of setting lesser goals," the panel said.

Is it realistic to expect a $3 billion boost in the space budget? Can NASA make a strong business case for going beyond Earth orbit? Maybe that's where this week's revelations could make a difference. But don't expect the money to flow easily, particularly if the space effort takes a business-as-usual approach.

On Thursday, The Orlando Sentinel quoted an unnamed NASA official as saying that some of the agency's top managers were "unfortunately caught up in the fantasy" that the space agency would get the extra $3 billion. Administration officials were said to consider that kind of increase "highly unlikely."

What do you think? Are this week's revelations about water a big deal? Do they make going to the moon (or Mars) more attractive? Register your opinion about that on our Newsvine discussion board - and feel free to join the Cosmic Log discussion by leaving a comment below.

Update for 3 a.m. ET Sept. 26: It so happens that NASA is looking for a few good ideas for future prizes aimed at promoting "significant advances in technologies of interest to NASA and the nation." I call dibs on a competition for extracting water from simulated lunar dirt. (Actually, there was once a contest for extracting oxygen from simulated lunar regolith, so it's not a completely original idea. Although that particular prize is no longer being offered, researchers are still working on the oxygen-extraction challenge.)

Do you have ideas for future prizes? Discuss them here if you like, then pitch them to NASA.

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"water ice is more prevalent on the moon than scientists expected a "game-changer" for future spaceflight"
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not in the short term and not if extracting the "luna water" will be much more complex and costly than sending the water from Earth
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Meh, 32 ounces of water per cubic ton of moon rock/dirt... Can you imagine the sheer complexity of extracting and mining that water? Think of open sky mines looking for scraps of gold... This is the non-news of the year.
Always interesting how governments find hundreds of billions to spend on "bailouts" when tens of billions could take us to the moon again. I believe we need to return to the moon long term before going to Mars. Take the various types of suits and let people use them the way people do while doing work rather than how someone in a lab thinks they will be used. I can guarantee there will be many surprises for the designers that will have large payoffs for designing Mars exploration suits that would need to work for weeks or months.
It is somewhat hilarious that nobody in government or elsewhere takes my idea seriously. Why does NASA have to be completely government funded. Why do I not have the option of having my tax dollars go to nasa? Why shoud I have my tax dollars to entirely toward educating somebody else's stupid, irrelevant children?
Let me do what I want with my tax dollars and give it to NASA or a civilian alternative!
maybe we got to the moon in 1969, but probably with the help of the russians, and I think that we only went once.The russians actually had the more powerful spacecraft,their spacecraft could lift twice what ours could, which would allow them to have more protection, possibly afew inches of lead around their spaceship, which would be temporary protection,from the high level of radiation in outer space. As for finding water on the moon,if it's there, if it's not there ,it doesn't matter, because since the moon is highly radioactive, then any water found on the moon would also be highly radioactive. Also, we are not going to the moon,or mars any time soon , until we have space craft and space suits that can protect astronauts from high levels of radiation, micro-meteors,and any other dangers that we don't yet know about, that are out there. The proof about how much nasa or anyone else, is lying about going to the moon or mars, is that it's always going to be in the far future. It'll always be 10 years or 20 years down the road , or farther.  
"Brown University's Carle Pieters, the lead researcher behind one of the Science studies, you'd need to process a baseball diamond's worth of dirt to get a drink of water" according to the article and this does present some challenges in the collection of water via the hydroxyl molecules.  

Even if a Lunar facility were built, robotic technology to collect and scrape the lunar soil would be require, in doing so, the potential of hydroxyl loss occurs if the soil was radiated with energy from the sun.  

Does this mean that 32 oz of water will be collected or some amount that is lower, a 16 oz bottle of water over a given time frame?  Over time, a sizeable amount of water could be collected through the mining operations. The molecules of water that is collected will have to constantly be recycled in the lunar facilities or by the workers that are operating the lunar facilities. However, the entire land surface area of the Moon is roughly the size of Africa and South America combined.  So how much water is within the lunar 'sponge' to be squeeze, not shaken or stirred---is it equalivant to the glaciers of Greenland, or the Artic Ocean worth?  

Whatever the actual amount is, the findings have shifted the interest to the Moon for humans.  If not completely for the water resources, but also for the mineral resources that could potentially be secondary mining operations for lunar facilities.  Aluminium oxides, silicon dioxides, calcium carbonates, and iron oxides too exist in the lunar soils and regolith.  These secondary mineral resources thus warrent the potential for smelting operations inconjunction with the processing of lunar soils for the "Holy Grail" of hydroxyl molecules and ion.  

While Martian water ice lays underneath a global blanket of silicates, both the Moon and Mars awaits those humans that can venture forth unto new worlds and gaze upon those new vistas.

Is it not time for humanity to take a perminant "Giant Leap" forward?  Or shall humanity, squabble in political idealogies, much like their ancestorial species pant-hooted with primal screams while crossing a long dried riverbed of the Sarahan grasslands.
32 ounces per ton is the average, folks.  We're still looking at the wet (frozen) spots around the poles, where it will be easier.  At the poles, there is enough water to help us survive in our buried lunar shelters, and het us going to the wetter asteroids and the Martian surface, where we will be living in the next century.  Hell, we'll be there later in this century, just not quick enough to suit Mr. Zubrin. alas.  

I do hope that entity that does go to Mars uses Zubrin's fuel-from-atmosphere plan that the Mars Society came up with almost 10 years ago.  I think it's brilliant, but we're just not ready with our support technologies yet.  If only Nixon hadn't shut down Apollo...
if USA doesnt lead the world into space , other countries will. What does USA want?
Hi Alan

I think it's reason to be hopeful that more abundant water will be found nearer to the poles and even underground. We've rewritten the paradigm and now have a "wet Moon" - albeit drier than a bone style of 'wet'. Also means the odds of water on Mercury are looking a whole lot better - higher gravity, more solar-wind flux, larger cold regions... Mercury's bright radar returns around its poles are almost certainly water, though with some sulfur too.
A number of un-collapsed lava tubes are evident on the moon's surface.  Such places are much more likely than is shaded regolith to have accessible water within.  They have been shaded since their formation and the last whisps of volcanic gases to pass through them inevitably deposited some of their burden of water vapor within.
Sorry for all of you dreamers, but with a 10 trillion dollar national debt, this "moon and mars" program is a luxury we can't afford, it will be cancelled. The discovery of trace amounts of water on the moon is an interesting fact, but that water won't be tapped anytime soon.
I am so excited....  I just hope politics don't screw this up, there's a time to spend and a time to not spend.  With China breathing down our neck maybe we should start working in conjunction with other countries? China can tell its people this is for the national good and they follow they have the money and the will to beat us there even if they are more primitive in their technology.  If we don't have the guts to take a risk to step out, and lead the world to the other floating rocks in space surely China will, with or without us.

As for the Moon or Mars first..... Who cares? lets get off this rock and get to another, it got to start some where, some how.  Go big or go home, unfortunately we are home we have been here for the last 50,000 years time for a new one!
"The news about ice on the moon, and on Mars, highlight the need for technologies aimed at water extraction and purification - technologies that would be useful virtually anywhere we could land in the solar system"

Oh please! We can barely land on our own moon. I agree it would be useful technology but only for use on earth. Landing anywhere else in our solar system and extracting and processing water for any purpose is many generations away.
The amount of water outside the poles is so minuscule that it's not going to make any difference for the foreseeable future. The polar water (which we've known about for a while now) is just a *far* better target.

And if and when we do want to consider using the surface water, we'll have to face a difficult decision whether or not we want to stripmine vast areas of the lunar surface...

So no - it does change our thinking about lunar soil, and it might open up some very limited ISRU applications, but it's not really a "game changer".
David Travis from Reno,

We went to the moon nine times. We landed six times. We had the Saturn 5. The Russians didn't have anything that came close. And they didn't help us get there.

We left instruments on the moon that are still working today; seismometers, laser range detectors. We brought back over 840 pounds of moon rocks. We donated samples of those rocks to scientific institutions ALL over the world. Moon rocks are totally different from anything we have here on earth. ALL of those institutions would tell you so.

The communications signals of our Apollo spacecraft were monitored by Radio Observatories ALL over the planet. Moon probes from the U.S. and India have just sent back pictures of the Apollo landing sites showing the equipment left behind by the astronauts, showing tracks left in the dust by lunar rovers, showing FOOTPRINTS!

Are you starting to get the picture? If not, then I recommend therapy.

For the last 40 years, ever since the end of Apollo, NASA has been scraping by on left-overs from the federal budget. If the people in congress who represent people like you would have given NASA the money it needed all along we would have been on Mars twenty years ago. As long as there are people who think like you do, in or out of government, there's a chance we'll never get back to the moon, or to Mars or anywhere else.
CM from Modesto,

I don't consider investing in our future a "luxury." Another thing we can't afford, politically or financially, is thousands of highly-trained aerospace workers joining the ranks of the unemployed. The manned space program will continue. Its goals will have to be redefined, but it will continue.
Either Ceres or Vesta is belived to have an entire hemisphere covered in ice.  When the Dawn spacecraft reaches those destinations in the coming years, my money is on the bet that more and better accessable water will be found on those bodies than on our Moon.  Imagine a LOX/LH fuel station on an asteroid to fill up a craft on its way to Mars or beyond.  Aim for the asteroid belt and then make the short hop back to Mars.  The benefits of an asteroid are small size, compared to our Moon, and minimal gravity.  No landing thrusters required!
Our destiny is linked partly to how soon we can  spread ourselves out to other worlds. But migrating from our home planet, starting with our moon and those of other planets, Mars,and certain asteroids, will require us to develop newer, far more efficient energy production technology. Improved solar? Fusion (which we still have to invent)? In order to do any real space traveling and colonizing we'll have to have energy, lots and lots. I don't think hydroxyls will get it.
As interesting as all this is, I don't comprehend how we could even begin to thing about raping and plundering another eco-system when we haven't figured how to live harmoneously within our own?
Excellent article Alan!  It's a pity that we don't have the proper budget for doing the Ares program properly, yet another failure from Bush that has to be fixed.  We can waste hundreds of billions on tax cut welfare for the rich and greedy but we can't afford another $3 billion a year to do Ares correctly.  We went to the moon in 8 years 40 years ago, now we can't fo it in 15 or possibly 20 years, that is how far our country has fallen since Ronny Raygunz.

The water ice asset is good to have and the sooner we have real workable equipment that can extract the water the better.  Time to get other countries on board our Ares program the way we did the International Space Station.  No more stupid space races and more cooperative space exploration!

We should go back to the moon first and then work on getting to Mars.  Getting to Mars is far more difficult and we just don't have the proper equipment yet for that long leap.  We can learn from going to the moon how to get to Mars and stay there.
it's amazing....we can always find a billion here, a billion there for out of the blue things like extending the clunkers for cash program, 100s of billions for this war and that war, but for NASA...it's always like pulling teeth.
Get the money back from AIG and give it to NASA!
Three billion dollars more a *year* for NASA. We spend that every day and a half in Iraq and Afghanistan. If the $787 billion economic stimulus money was spent over six months, then we spent three billion dollars every seventeen *hours* on economic stimulus.

In light of this, how can we say with a straight face that "we can't afford space exploration?" We've p*ssed more than that away on Merrill Lynch executives. And every dollar we spend on the US space program stands a very good chance of helping someone keep a job in the US.
I seriously doubt we ever went to the Moon in the first place.  Way too many inconsistencies and why has NOBODY returned for 38 years?
Water is not the only volatile present on the Moon.  We have known for decades that if you heat lunar dirt to a modest temperature, a variety of volatiles are released.

The major components are:

(in order of abundance)

   * Hydrogen
   * Helium4 with a trace amount of Helium3
   * Argon
   * Nitrogen
   * Other Inert gases, Neon and Radon
   * Carbon compounds: Carbon Dioxide, Carbon Monoxide, and Methane  

Please check these lunarpedia articles for details:

http://www.lunarpedia.org/index.php?title=Volatiles

http://www.lunarpedia.org/index.php?title=Sandworm_Design
I seriously doubt that we ever went to the moon.  Way too many inconsistencies and why NOBODY has ever "returned" to the Moon?  The Moon landings were one of the biggest hoaxes in the history of mankind.  We can thank Stanley Kubrick for the nice photo shots.  
Believe in the the ability to do both.  Mars Direct is a technical genus for realitively cheap.  And permament settlements for the moon.  The value to our global civilization is huge.
Mining lunar resources will be very profitable.   Privately funded of course. Lunar manufacturing facilities provide feedstock for building solar power satellites to provide unlimited clean energy to Earth. For more details on the business model I recommend you read "The High Frontier" by Gerard o'Neill, it is a bit dated, but most of the key points are still valid. The detailed implementation will likely be rather different than he envisaged.
http://www.spacedaily.com/news/carbon-02f.html
This article describes the production of 8" long carbon nanotubes. Ultimately, a space elevator will greatly simplify the problems and reduce the expense of getting to earth orbit and the these fibers woven into the ribbon that the elevator will clamp onto. This may happen sooner rather than later.
NASA Budget for 2007 - $16.3 Billion - $16,300,000,000
USA GDP - $13.0 Trillion -         $13,000,000,000,000

That is less than 0.1%......think about it.

5 Reasons for Space Exploration

1. Space exploration will eventually allow us to establish a human civilization on another world (e.g., Mars) as a hedge against the type of catastrophe that wiped out the dinosaurs.

2. We explore space and create important new technologies to advance our economy. It is true that, for every dollar we spend on the space program, the U.S. economy receives about $8 of economic benefit. Space exploration can also serve as a stimulus for children to enter the fields of science and engineering.

3. Space exploration in an international context offers a peaceful cooperative venue that is a valuable alternative to nation state hostilities. One can look at the International Space Station and marvel that the former Soviet Union and the U.S. are now active partners. International cooperation is also a way to reduce costs.

4. National prestige requires that the U.S. continue to be a leader in space, and that includes human exploration. History tells us that great civilizations dare not abandon exploration.

5. Exploration of space will provide humanity with an answer to the most fundamental questions: Are we alone? Are there other forms of life beside those on Earth?
One reason to take advantage of ice (whether on Luna or Mars) is quite simple: if people don't start soon there will continue to be "reasonable" excuses not to do anything.

The problem with doing nothing is that sooner rather than later humanity will a) need a new set of frontiers and resources and b) a lot more room for a population that continues to rise.

Only by opening new frontiers can humanity have a chance at long-term survival.
The only way, the ONLY way NASA is going to get $3 billion dollars a year is if someone can convince the government that Osama bin Laden is hiding on Mars.
Not one American is asking it,so let me do it:
"How come all the many apollo trips didnt could find the water or whatever????!!!They did spend time driving,playing golf and horsing around...weel, that's what they told us fools anyway.

[ALAN ADDS: You've brought up one of the most interesting aspects of the story. The analysis of Apollo moon rocks actually did turn up trace amounts of water, but the finding seemed so unbelievable that scientists assumed the rocks were contaminated on Earth. In fact, there have been several hints about water at midlatitudes on the moon, but it took these three studies to convince people that what they were seeing was real.]
QUOTE [" If we don't have the guts to take a risk to step out, and lead the world to the other floating rocks in space surely China will, with or without us."]

So Americans want to WIN the moon :)
How much are we spending on the wars again?  How many billions of dollars a MONTH?  $3 billion a year toward the salvation of our species is slightly more noble.
This information is great, know all the folks that don't like living on this earth can live on mars.
  Moon or Mars? We can't afford either!
To Leah Cohn, what on Earth (or Luna, or Mars) are you talking about "raping" an "eco-system"? It's the MOON for God's sake! The whole idea that we need to "solve all of the problems on Earth before we go into space" is ridiculous. Many of our problems stem from competition over resources and population growth, which cause wars and famines, as well as the environmental destruction you mentioned. If we expand into the Solar System, it will greatly alleviate the stress on this Planet, and allow us to tear apart LIFELESS asteroids instead of plundering Earth's ecosystems.
The discovery of water on the Moon changes the whole game. Water = fuel, oxygen, and life. People would want to live on the Moon for the view, if nothing else.
We went, found nothing worth while, came home and did not bother to go back.
I have to laugh at the guy who said russia helped us and they had the more powerful rocket well he is wrong N.A.S.A. had the saturn 5 and it was and still is the most powerful rocket ever built [...]
Bodoh = dodo: The Astronauts weren't near the Lunar poles, thus no water. They didn't have drilling equipment either. But, they did bring back many rock samples and information that revolutionized Lunar science.

If you are an American, you should be ashamed of your lack of Lunar knowledge. Your civilization led the first landings on the Moon! You need to be proud of that fact and take ownership of the responsibilities that come with it. [...]
so we have ice in the moon so that means that we can live there,why we don't do it?
The Moon is cool concept, the only thing that when common sense sets in, is that experimentals with such a large object this close to earth, is a dangerous concept if any mistakes causes orbital disruption, although slowing the outward swing is more likely a scientific goal...I would trust though that this is in the minds of the talent that has taken us this far.
I would think that studies of time and wormholes would be a more gracious scientific event, and solving things like the millions in Africa that are starving or dying would be a more earthly investment, although the mil base that supports it all is a machine in itself.. One of these days we may grow out of this, but the science and tech that it supports is facsinating to say the least.:)
I wonder what would the long term affect on the earth would be if we started populating the moon?


This is one of the stupidest things we could possibly want to do, We arent supposed to live on the moon... Why would you even want to. So here it is... Instead of just ruining our own planet earth like we have all been doing for years and years we are going to in the process ruin the moon as well... Good job earthlings!!!!
?? moon or mars? how bout we fix earth first before we destroy somthing else.
Hey David Travis, Reno, NV - we actually went to the moon six times; Apollo 11, 12, 14, 15, 16 and 17.  Apollo 8 and 10 also orbited the moon but didn't land there.  A dozen men walked on the surface.  We were supposed to go more, but budget cuts during that recession put an end to it.  And of course Apollo 13 catapulted around the moon but didn't land there after an onboard explosion.
"I don't comprehend how we could even begin to thing about raping and plundering another eco-system"
To Leah Colm: Eco-system???  What eco-system?  The Moon is dead, with no ecology whatsoever, & Mars is all but-- possibly microbes.  You'd short-circuit the future of Mankind over a few Martian microbes?
It is clear that manking will eventually run out of resources...but it almost seems pointless to seek something with such a low yield....yes, technology will advance, but not with such strides that travel to Mars would be lucrative.  Someone please tell me the "inconsistencies" that make the moon landing a hoax????


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