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The science of 'Surrogates'

Posted: Wednesday, September 23, 2009 6:30 PM by Alan Boyle


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Click for video: A lifelike face is installed on a robot in a scene from
"Surrogates." Click on the image to watch a video about the trends behind the film.

Bruce Willis' latest action movie takes place in a world where humans mostly stay behind closed doors and interact using lifelike cyber-substitutes. These robotic "surrogates" pass along all their sensations - during work, play and even sex - via virtual reality. In this wired-up world, you can be anybody you want to be through your surrogate: a healthier, younger version of yourself, or a super-athlete, or a supermodel. (Will that be male or female?)

So "Surrogates" is meant as pure science fiction, right? Wrong. The filmmakers and futurists behind the movie say they're aiming for an only slightly enhanced version of present-day trends.

"In the near future, robots are going to start to look like humans," said James Canton, founder of the San Francisco-based Institute for Global Futures. "I think within 10 years you're going to have the world of the surrogates."

You don't even have to wait 10 years to experience the kind of virtual life that eventually goes so wrong in "Surrogates," said the film's director, "Terminator 3" veteran Jonathan Mostow.

"Right now on the Internet you can go and you can shop, talk with your friends, get the news. You can express your opinion. You can pretty much live a full human life without ever leaving your home," Mostow told me.

Not that the movie is a Michael Moore-ish diatribe against the Twitterpated lives that many of us lead nowadays. Like most folks in Hollywood, Mostow recognizes that the film will not fly unless it's the entertaining, thrill-a-minute action ride theatergoers expect from a Bruce Willis movie. But he also means it to be something more.

"We do know just from the test audiences who have seen the movie that people are finding it very thought-provoking," Mostow said. "It's a little bit different from your typical Hollywood thriller."

How is it different? Here's an explanation from Canton, who helped out on the film project: " 'Surrogates' is clearly a near-future vision when you mash up nanotechnology, and of course computing, robotics and the advances in materials science. All these technologies are converging so quickly, and that convergence is what 'Surrogates' covers so well, without getting into the details."

If you want to delve into the real-life details, you can look at the research being conducted in Japan to create sociable robots suited to serve the country's aging population. More signs of change can be seen on far-off battlefields, where the military is using surrogates ranging from bomb-defusing robots to bomb-dropping drones.

Other trends include the rise of online worlds such as "Second Life," where users guide avatars through activities ranging from cyber-boinking to virtual commerce to the same headaches people experience in real life. Then there's the milieu created by Twitter, Facebook and other online networks. Researchers say the personal interactions on social-networking sites can be just as complicated - and occasionally just as boring - as real life.

Canton said he's already caught glimpses of the road ahead. Imagine, for instance, an extension of the force-feedback technology currently used to make video-game controllers shake and kick back in your hands. "I can tell you I've seen work in the labs that take force-feedback and make it totally sensory and cognitive," he told me.

Like his fellow futurist Ray Kurzweil, Canton believes the time is fast approaching when machines will be more intelligent than natural-born humans - part of a phenomenon dubbed "the singularity." But Canton thinks the age of the surrogates - a society in which machines are used as extensions of human capabilities rather than self-actuating entities - will come well before the singularity.

Baby-boom demographics could accelerate the current trend, he said.

"It's likely that one of the key areas will be memory loss due to Alzheimer's," Canton told me. "Well before we have drugs to mediate memory loss, people will have both cloud-computing and wetware implants to help them with retrieving information. You're going to see this emerge much quicker, and it's going to be driven by baby boomers and baby-boomer economics."

Canton isn't saying that the approach of the singularity - or the surrogates - will be totally a good thing. In fact, that's what the movie is all about. He said the Bruce Willis character "is challenged by a world that has been so dominated by these surrogates that the level of authenticity and humanness has been modified or even mutated."

"That's the big challenge," he said. "There's a wonderful social message in this that I think audiences will find both interesting and provocative as well as entertaining."

That's certainly the way director Jonathan Mostow feels about the film.

It's not as if Mostow started out with a completely blank slate: The movie's screenplay is based on "The Surrogates," a graphic novel by Robert Venditti and Brett Weldele that came out in 2005. And that work, in turn, was inspired by "The Cybergypsies," a book about online addiction in the dial-up modem era. (Those two works, by the way, make a perfect dual selection for the Cosmic Log Used Book Club - a semi-regular listing of books on cosmic themes that have been around long enough to turn up at libraries and secondhand-book shops.)

Even though the concepts that gave rise to "Surrogates" go back a quarter-century, Mostow told me the movie includes a few twists that should give today's Twitterers, texters and Facebookers something to think about.

Here's an edited version of my Q&A with Mostow:

Cosmic Log: How does the vision behind this movie differ from the vision behind, say, "Terminator 3: Rise of the Machines," which you also directed?

Mostow: With "Terminator" and the tradition of science fiction that is about sentience - thinking robots - the core is that somehow we are surrendering control to the computers. That goes back a very long way. In the last 25 years you can think of the seminal movies on that theme - like "WarGames." You remember that movie? The "Terminator" franchise, which has been around for 20 years, is asking that same question: Isn’t it dangerous to surrender control to the machines, because look at what machines can do.

This movie asks a different question. The robots are not independently thinking robots. They’re simply tools. They’re sort of a physical manifestation of ourselves on the Internet. Right now on the Internet you can go and you can shop, talk with your friends, get the news. You can express your opinion.  You can pretty much live a full human life without ever leaving your home.

Q: … And it can be a different life from the actual life that you’re leading offline. I suppose that in the movie, as in the graphic novel, you can have somebody sitting on the couch eating potato chips and pretending that he’s a beautiful woman at the club.

A: Yeah, absolutely. And that’s certainly one of the side effects, if you will, of what happens when we live that way. But the bigger question is really, in a world where we are seemingly more connected with each other than ever before, you could argue that were actually more disconnected from each other than ever before - because we’re actually, really not interacting with each other on a personal basis.

What does that do to people? How does it change society, and how does it change the people in it? Those are very different questions this movie is posing, as opposed to all the other robot movies that have come before it.

Q: Are there things that you or the actors brought from their own lives? I think a lot of the people in Hollywood today are pretty savvy on this whole idea of mediated online identity nowadays. When you were putting together the movie, could you draw upon real-life experiences in that area?

A: Yes. I think anybody who lives anywhere where you can be connected via the Internet has on some level a love-hate relationship with this technology.

Q: Any examples?


Stephen Vaughan / Touchstone Pictures
 Director Jonathan Mostow works on "Surrogates."

A: For example, during the Christmas holiday before we started shooting, Bruce was on the beach in the Bahamas - and he had his BlackBerry, and he couldn’t stand the fact that even in the most remote, beautiful place on earth, he was getting e-mails, text messages and phone calls. He just took his BlackBerry and flung it out in the ocean. And he watched the glow of the screen as it sunk beneath the surface of the water - there was this great feeling that he had.

In fact, that’s sort of what Bruce does in the movie - not so much with a BlackBerry, but with his own connection to technology.

Q: Is there something that you’d like moviegoers to know as they walk into the theater - something to watch for that may not be obvious if you’re just looking for a fast-paced action thriller?

A: Well, I think that the movie is first and foremost entertainment, but what the movie hopefully also does is ask some questions. I hope it kicks off a conversation at the end of the movie, about taking a step back and looking at our relationship to technology. In fact, the inspiration for the author who wrote the graphic novel was a book about the addictive behavior of people on the Internet - people who simply could not pull themselves away from the computer. And this was in the mid-1990s. That seems like ancient history to us now, right?

Q: Right …

A: That was before Facebook, before Twitter, before all these social networking places. You had e-mail, and most of us were using dial-up modems. Even back then, people just couldn’t let go of it. So it’s interesting that the core of human behavior as far as technology goes hasn’t really changed.

[It was also interesting to listen to the recording of this Q&A and hear the blings, boings and tweets going off from the e-mail, instant-messaging and Tweetdeck software on my computer nearby - sounds that I had tuned out during the interview.]

Q: Was there any research into online identities that you personally drew upon when you were working on the film, or was it more a case of your informal research … just seeing how people use the Internet.

A: I think a lot of is … yeah, it's living life. If you have an online presence, if you use the Internet, you understand how these things work. And that will be taken from your own personal experience. If you use that as the basis for a movie, you’re much more likely to stumble upon the truth of something.

Q: Are there any technological innovations that are introduced in the movie that could help people see this in a different light? Any twists that play off what's happening in the Twittersphere?

A: Well, I don't want to give away any of the plot … but we do know just from the test audiences who have seen the movie that people are finding it very thought-provoking.  It's a little bit different from your typical Hollywood thriller.

Q: That's fair. Can you say if working on this movie has changed the way that you or the other folks you worked with think about social networking? Are you trying to reduce the time you spend on the BlackBerry or the iPhone because of the work that you’ve done here?

A: That's a great question. I have to say that, when I'm on the computer now, I'm aware that I'm on the computer. I'm aware that that clock is ticking. I'm aware that for that time when I’m online, that’s time that I’m not spending offline. And so every hour that you're on the computer is an hour that you're not actually in real life, you’re not doing something for real.

Is all this food for thought, or is it much ado about another action-thriller? Feel free to weigh in - or have your surrogate weigh in - with a comment below.


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im not looking foward to a terminator type future...we should be cautious with our machines in our future..just pay attention to the AI..if ya dont.. of corse the logical reasoning of the robots will turn out "we will destroy ourselves".. technically we are come to think about it.. we dont need a skynet. or a super computer that controls a mass army of robots that were originally programed to protect us anyways or act as a servent....we need to learn to do things for ourselves again... thats how we came to rise to power...and the technology now is just making us lazy...im just being hypocritical XD but i see things that way anyways...
It is true that robots will be controlling the world. It is just a matter of time. Humanoids are still in this world, living nowadays, without us knowing who they are. Some people even say that they came from the future and do not want to go back.
Surrogates in 10 years????  We can't even build an electric car that can go 100 miles without a recharge. These guys should get out of their dream world and learn some real science.  The human brain operates on about 20 watts of power.  A very dim light bulb.  With current technology, a humanlike robot would need to incorporate a 20 megawatt power plant inside itself to approach human thinking ability.
Well, you say, "Electronics keeps getting smaller, cheaper, faster and more power efficient."  
True, but we are reaching our limit with silicon semiconductor technology.  We need something else to replace it, and I don't see that happening real soon.

I'll bet the guy who comes up with a human sized 20 megawatt power plant could make a lot of money!!!  But then how do you get rid of the heat????  Damn those laws of thermodynamics!

Sorry to burst your bubble.  I sure wish those "journalists" who write about science actually knew some science in the first place.
No comments yet?  Hmmm.  I guess everybody's too busy twittering to each other or checking the Wall on their Facebook account or...anything that keeps them from actually thinking real thoughts about something.
Being this connected bears a resemblance to building a tower that reached into heaven.  What did God do to the builders?
Just some random thoughts.

I think people are more interested in robots doing work for them that generates revenue rather than just to have a robot as a "human looking" surrogate.  The appearance simply adds value for the service buyer.  Non-human appearance may be more valuable in many cases.

Most people care about their own lives and those of their loved ones.  They could care less about robots and most are very accepting that dying within less than a hundred years is OK.

I do think there are a growing number of people interested in themselves and their own bodies.  Their problem is the aging process.  Their only hope is scientific breakthroughs.  Progress is just far too slow for our aging population.

I think solutions in genetics to extend life will be far less expensive than individuals buying an expensive robot that could actually be an acceptable surrogate.  Groups of people (i.e. companies) will continue to buy more a varied robots to meet business requirements.



It's not techincally true that every hour you spend on the computer is not doing something real in your "real" life "actually".  That is simply, a false statement.  However, for the time you spend portraying a different personality and/or engaging in social acts that reflect nothing of what your presence offline is, well then, that is definitely not "real".  But the constructs of social interaction will always remain the same.  Those who care to hide behind words will do so just as those who care to step out in front of their words will do so.  A good example is politics.  People will often tell you what you want to hear in "real" life but will ultimately hide the truth from you via an "online" source or refuge.  Case in point; South Carolina.  And the entire tipping point of this reality boils down to how well a person is capable of retaining the emotion in their words that is intended for most readers to understand.  You can write antyhing on the internet (or elsewhere for that matter) and have multiple emotions or feelings behind it.  Everyone has different writing abilities they're accustomed to or have learned.  Also, the reader has distinct voices they attribute to the text according to how the text is written and or the context behind the text; ei: the name of the author or character.  I just thought I'd put that out there so people realize that the movie is much more futuristic and entertainment than it is reality.  The general pace and theme today is to equate movies with reality when often the former is much more interesting than the latter and simply fiction.  I'm not debating that the future doesn't hold science within its grasp; I'm just stating what logically is the obvious.  Few people seem to see that these days.
I would start by saying I love technology, I site home glued to my laptop, and I use community websites.

Secondly I would analyses the reason for change, life beside humans, take for example birds, their beak, eyes , sound or body shape is made for some purpose, a chameleon lizard changes colour  to avoid possible danger, on the other hand humans are opposite, they change the entire environment to suite their needs, small changes in the human structure are visible though, development of robotics would be one of such change.

Robotics would benefit people and countries as a whole, now the question arises which type of countries? Countries with low and aged population. Another question arises here, who would not like it? Countries with high and younger population(due to employment concerns). The advertising of such movies should be accordingly, or it shall back fire in high populated countries(hidden though), it should be emphasized more on the thriller side than its use fullness, since the economies of low populated countries would depend on high populated countries, such projects would be brought down.

This movie would give us a glimes of the future, and help us prepare, a world for this new self manifested  extended family, but the true development would take place only if these robotics technology are used to clean all our drainages which are below the road, making them simple tools and nothing else, problems may arise, especially if brain cell of humans or animals are used in these technologies, such technologies should be kept purely technical radar putting materials of life in them.

Am a great fan of Mr. Bruce Wills and Mr. Jonathan Mostow, wish them Luck for the Surrogates, am to waiting to watch it here, it has brought the feeling of  Die Hard and Terminator back in me and hope the tempo will be alive in the Surrogates.
For anyone like myself, who spends time in Second Life, this is a logical extention of that world. In effect we are living it now, through our computer screens, but in every other way it is just as "real".
This will not work. Why do we want robots to live our lives for us?? Then what is the point of living? If we live our lives through the robots, we will live shorter lives. We the humans will get lazy, eat whatever we want, and then we will get medical problems etc therefore dying at an earlier age. Is it really that hard to get up everyday and do work for yourself? I personally would like to live my life as me, and not as some high priced robot made so that all humans can just have an excuse to be lazy and unsociable.
As an Australian science fiction writer this is a must see movie for me. I'm looking forward to it.

Cheers
I have to agree with Clyde on the timescale.  It will be more like 50 to 80 years before this kind of technology is available, if ever.  There are simply too many technological hurdles to overcome in just 10 years.
And the other point is, why?  Unless the need (dangerous occupation) requires a surrogate, my self image is just as good or better than anything Hollywood can create.  At least that's what I keep telling myself every morning...
I agree, Clyde of Ogden! My dim bulb is thinking along the same lines as yours.

The thing that is so deceptively attractive in all of this is the ability to interact with others in increasingly more realistic ways without having to bear the full consequences of the choices we make. It's more social science than anything.
On the same thread as Jeff...
I doubt it would happen. First, try to imagine how much one of these suckers would cost. Got a price in your head? Now imagine they came out with newer versions as often as they do for EVERYTHING. A new/improved version of a game console every 1-3 years? New appliances with an added gimmick? These things wouldn't be any different, and I find it hard to imagine people could afford to buy them.
I do think that the basic good in the majority of human societal souls will always win out; to date anyway, this has kept us as a species from total annihilation. If those dynamics change, we're indeed doomed, robotics notwithstanding. The true societal toxin remaining with us - and this condition has been along side and within humans for thousands of years – is the basic hatred of others, pure and simple. Rid society of hatred, and you have the mythical Shangri La or Atlantis, at least intellectually and psychologically you do. I once had the great pleasure of hearing the late Sir Arthur C. Clarke speak. Among other things he shared that day, was his opinion that in order for the human condition to change so that people would/will stop killing each other on earth would require one or both of two things occurring: Either the "Second Coming" or the presence of intelligent alien life form(s) being proven....An episode the magnitude that either of these phenomenon would present, would/could alter everything previously surmised within the human psyche, thereby potentially humbling all human kind to it's collective knees was his basic position. I found Clarke’s opinion in this respect profoundly provocative….    
"Surrogates" the works that influenced it sounds more like a rip-off of David Brin's
2002 book, "Kiln People."
I have been playing computer games on one of my computers extensively since the very early 80's, and in doing so projecting myself into that world (I have a very good imagination). You don't need advance science to do this either, but the science helps a lot. I think this ability will greatly increase as science advances.

"Well, you say, "Electronics keeps getting smaller, cheaper, faster and more power efficient."  
True, but we are reaching our limit with silicon semiconductor technology.  We need something else to replace it, and I don't see that happening real soon."

My response to this is that the software that makes this happen is nowhere near it's limit. and will continue to make things faster and better. This is in my opinion what will replace our ability to make the electronics smaller and faster.    
The reality is that the future portrayed may be true but there are still many of us that value free space and the outdoors. I don’t think that can ever be replaced by technology. If we would teach that to our children then this “surrogate” world may be averted. Sadly though parents succumb to the technology baby sitters and parenting and participating in their children’s upbringing falls by the wayside. It’s much easier to let the kid sit for hours on the pc or the Wii, Xbox or PS3 then to take him out to the park, ride bikes with them, etc. I write this from experience and I’m an IT/Techie person, but there must be a balance or the movie is a future glimpse of our real future.

Note though most of us will not be looking like Bruce Willis! We will be fat, weak and pale after all who cares what you will look like if your surrogate looks good for you. Think more like the guys depicted in the Planet of The Apes that live underground. YUK!! Where is my bike I need to ride!!!
This sounds exactly like "Brainstorm" Natalie Wood's last film - 1983.
Actually, Surrogates is the Matrix for a new decade. I haven't even seen the movie yet, but from the Q&A it clearly applies the Man v. Machine metaphor in exactly the same way. The Matrix, however, was far more subtle and deep, drawing allusions from ancient Greek antiquity and blending it with Quantum physics and eastern philosophy. Simply take 5 minutes and Google 2 words: philosophy Matrix. Not only will you find hundreds of fan sites dedicated to the trilogy, you will also find numerous College course syllabii in which the Matrix is central to the course content.
It seems inefficient to experience telepresence through a single robot avatar that can only be one place at a time and must physically travel from place to place. If society ever trends in that direction it is more likely to resemble Asimov's Robots of Dawn. In that story, humans live alone and never leave their homes. They are attended to by a large staff of android servants and visit other humans using a holographic virtual presence.
I am seriously looking for the day when robots will take over the work-world. In 10 years, that's kool with me. mankind will have more time for study and greater inventions. the sky is the limit.
I agree with JT Watkins:  This is totally based on Kiln People.  I am surprised David Brin isn't suing the production (or maybe he is).  
For anyone like myself, who spends time in Second Life, this is a logical extention of that world. In effect we are living it now, through our computer screens, but in every other way it is just as "real".
Sounds like a variation on the same theme as the first Matrix movie, only in this one its voluntary.

"part of a phenomenon that Kurzweil dubbed "the singularity.""

Sloppy fact-checking here at MSNBC. Kurzweil might talk of "the singularity", the term was coined by well-known science fiction author Vernor Vinge.

[ALAN ADDS: Yes, Vernor Vinge is the originator of the term in this context, so the phrasing wasn't quite right. That's been fixed. Thanks for pointing out the misstep, and apologies to Dr. Vinge.]

I just saw the movie and thought it was a decent one.  However, it definitely could have had some more twists and thought put in it.  The special effects were pretty good as well.  
As for the reality of it, like many reviewers have already said, the technology to actually do something with humans controlling a robot version of themselves through their minds is obviously FAR off, if even possible.  
Lag time problems could occur from the controller to the robot, heat dissapation with the robots power would be a huge problem, not to mention the power supply to be able to power them.  The battery they are operating on would have to be thousands of times more efficient than any lithium ion battery we have at current times.  Quantum computers would be the only way for such a robot to be able to operate, because even with the current, smallest, silicon cirbuits put in the robot it would still be way too big to fit in a normal sized human robot to have it operate and move like we do.  
Balancing and walking is also a problem with today's robots that we have yet to overcome.  
In terms of some better ideas to have in the plot of the movie, I think it would have been cool to have someone who controls a surrogate and then have that surrogate connect into another surrogate and so on so that it would be very difficult to have detect who the original operator of the surrogate is!  That is similiar of someone who masks their IP address and uses another IP address as their own and so on so that the original/culprit cannot be detected as easily.  (what if we are surrogates of surrogates right now in real life?:0 haha jk;)
All in all it's worth a watch though.      
I think we are heading more in the direction of Star Trek's "Borg," though largely voluntarily at this point.  Having a robot surrogate for every person seems a bit cumbersome.  But think of how much more virtually connected we have become by our technologies in just the past few years.  It wasn't really that long ago that if you wanted to talk to someone and they were not home when you visited or called, you just had to wait.  Now, it's amazing how irate people get if they aren't able to contact you instantly.  How long will it be before we all have microchips implanted at birth?  Why carry around a cell phone or computer, or operate a robotic surrogate?  Most of us are already hooked up to the "collective" whether we realize it or not, unless we have totally dropped out of modern society.  It's amazing how much even an average person can find out about you if he is at all motivated and technologically savvy - imagine what someone could find out if he were in a position of power.  It's pretty scary to think where we might be headed, especially since there seems to be no stopping it...  
Surrogates deals with the last step in telepresense, a fully human-appearing avatar. There are already plenty of crude approximations available today: bomb-defusers, predator drones, remote surgical robots.

The surrogates don't have to look human to be useful - in fact most probably shouldn't. Surgeons can use operate-by-wire instruments to move their perceptions into the microscopic range. Why would they choose to use the less-precise eye and hand tools?

The increasing cost of travel makes holding meetings via remote hookup more and more attractive.
In the technical fields, working remotely is becoming an everyday event.  

We're already piloting warplanes by remote control. How long before communications become fast and ubiquitous enough to allow remote control of street sweepers, show plows, garbage trucks, taxicabs, long distance trucks, and commercial airlines?
Operators for such devices could be swapped out at the end of their shifts with little or no downtime for the machines. Company owners need not worry about allowing mealtimes or sleep accommodations for crews.

There are a million and one details for fail-safe operation of course, but the base technology is already there for companies to outsource work to less expensive labor markets. Sending night-shift jobs to the other side of the world might make business sense.
An active bidding market for telejobs makes the whole world into one big labor pool.
The point is that much of the technology is already here in crude form.
Hmm... this sounds interesting. I also don't believe that we'll have this technology in ten years, but the fact that we are already working on telepresence shouldn't be that surprising.

However, the day that having mechanical avatars for us is commonplace means that we haven't learned much about communicating without human contact. Something that would be much more effective (and less costly - imagine the taxes!) would be to work on our telecommunications. (But what would be terrific would be to work on teleportation...)

Great movie though, I'd like to see it, regardless.
Imagine if people who didn't want surrogates tried to live in peace with the surrogates, there would still be fighting but the surrogates would always win they would not be hurt in the outcome. Everyone would become lazy, the information stored inside the micro chip that would be the surrogate's "brain" would hold the same information known when they were sold and distributed to the world, and the actual humans will never understand or learn anything about the world. That means that our race would never evolve and the scientists would be too lazy to learn and discover new things. Our whole order of what people do in an average day would be destroyed.

How would we reproduce in the first place? Would the males store they're sperm in the surrogate? Would artificial female organs be in the female surrogate?

I also believe that humans will NOT be even close to having surrogates in ten years. I admit this thought scares me; to think about what it would be like in the future and after we discover and invent new things that make life easier. I think we should work on learning new medical cures and ways to live longer, I hope that we will also learn more about space and what is beyond our own planet and hopefully discover other life.

I really hope that surrogate research does not advance any further.


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