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Choose your afterlife

Posted: Thursday, September 10, 2009 7:20 PM by Alan Boyle


Gustave Dore via Art Passions
In this illustration for Dante's "Paradiso," the poet beholds heaven's highest realm.

What if God is a microbe, and we're just the hosts for the creatures made in Its image? A neuroscientist and self-described "possibilian" offers 40 thought-provoking possibilities for the afterlife in a slim book called "Sum."

The questions that David Eagleman deals with at his day job at the Baylor College of Medicine in Houston are already pretty far-out: How do our brains construct reality? Why does our perception of time's flow change? Why do some people "see" music or associate numbers with colors?

But even at work, some of Eagleman's ideas are so far-out they have to be put aside ... until he goes home and writes about them.

"In some sense, I use my literary fiction as a channel to explore ideas that I come up with during the day," he told me.

For example, consider how the data in your brain determines your identity. "For a long time, there's been this open question of what it would be like to be someone else - or to be something else," he said. "Once you're John Malkovich, you wouldn't remember what it's like not to be John Malkovich."

That spawned Eagleman's little story about cross-species reincarnation, titled "Descent of Species": Suppose you admired the strength and beauty of horses, and you got the chance to become a horse in your next life. Once you become a horse, would you have enough wits to appreciate that life, or even enough wits to choose the life after that? And if that's the case, what unwitting demigods might we humans have been in our past lives?

Other stories play off the fact that existential meaning doesn't scale well. "What would happen if we showed Shakespeare to a dog or a bacterium?" Eagleman asked. "It's pointless, because what's meaningful to you changes by spatial scale."

For example, a microbial God might reserve the afterlife strictly for microbes, with humans merely serving as part of the scenery. Or the universe might be ruled by a cosmic Giantess who is as indifferent to our fate as we are to the fate of an amoeba.

None of Eagleman's 40 tales is longer than five pages, and they all have a clever twist of karmic justice (or injustice) worthy of "The Twilight Zone."

Eagleman also notes that each story contradicts all the others - which he says is "the metamessage of the book." It's not a strictly scientific point of view, but it's a point of view that allows for multiple possibilities when it comes to life's deepest question.

"The idea that people will tell their stories with certainty, and fight and die over those stories, is just so ludicrous - because it's so much bigger than that," Eagleman said.

When it comes to his personal views on the afterlife, Eagleman shies away from calling himself an atheist, or a deist or theist. Instead, he prefers the term "possibilian." So do a lot of other people, it turns out. Eagleman's reference to "possibilianism" in an NPR interview spawned Facebook groups and a Web site for like-minded fans, and now he's planning to write a book titled "Why I Am a Possibilian."

But first, he's planning to finish a book on "the secret life of the unconscious brain," titled "Dethronement." In a sense, it's a book about your inner zombie - that is, all the processes that go on behind the scenes beneath your consciousness. He's also co-written a book about synesthesia, delving into the ways that your different senses cross wires with each other. (For instance, why do some people associate the number 4 with orange? Personally, I think 4 is blue.)

"What I'm hoping to do is write fiction and nonfiction alternately so that they synergize," Eagleman said.

Neuroscience certainly provides enough factual fodder for fiction. At his day job, Eagleman studies vision perception and time perception.

"In both those issues, reality ain't what you think it is," he said. "We can make you think something lasted longer or shorter than it really does, something happened before when it really happened afterward. The brain is not just passively recording some river flowing past. Our brains are constructing time."

With all that material to work with, Eagleman isn't likely to run out of stories anytime soon.

"All it takes to grow a neat scientific idea into fiction," he observed, "is to extrapolate it to where it matters in everyday life."

Now it's your turn. Do you have stories to share, either about the possibilities for the afterlife or about the weird workings of the brain? Feel free to share them as comments below.

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I was once in a room with twenty people. we were shown a card from a deck for about 2 seconds by the demonstrator. We were all asked to write down what we saw.  We all wrote 5 spades. The card was actually five of hearts (the card was black, not red, and fooled us all).
What if we are totally described by information in our body and brain without any need for anything metaphysical? What if this info can be captured and uploaded on another brainy capable info processing system. Is that like a second life? or parallel life or after life? Would you try capturing and archiving your defining info to keep your options open if this will become reality in the next decades?

Don't you have any *science* to write about?
Don't we get enough religion/mythology already without having to hear about it in the science section?

I have the idea that since we humans seem to want to "harvest" everything from corn and wheat to unwitting cows, sheep and pigs (not to mention anything else we can think of) why wouldn't whatever created us just want us for its' own needs.  
Why do we not think we are just here to be harvested?
Does any other idea make any sense at all?
excellent story!  exccited for Eagleman's work too.  incredible things start as incredible ideas

RE Possibilianism...
Is it akin to Envisioneering Spiral Evolution?
Sounds like the same thing to me.
Don'tcha think?

[ALAN ADDS: Ha! (For the rest of you, that's an in joke).]

Rod, I do get these sorts of comments (just give me the science, please!) every time I stray off the beaten track. I guess I have a couple of answers. One is that Eagleman's "day job" in neuroscience is just as interesting as his literary career. Another is that the scrums between scientist-atheists, scientist-theists and "creation-scientists" are an interesting aspect of the scientific milieu in society. A third answer (oops, that's more than a couple) is that this is called "Cosmic Log" and not "Science Log," and although I don't delve into religion that often (note the category tags at right), the subjects of spirituality and the ultimate questions are among the things that make this blog what it is (for better or worse).
There is a lot more to all this stuff than one might imagine, with the "cookie monster" (the unconscious or "id") and synesthesia being the most practical and the least metaphysical or philosophical aspects . . .

For example, is it really a coincidence that there is a musical genre called the "Blues"?

Not being someone who strongly associates colors with sounds, I had no idea why anyone could call a style of music, "Blues", but after reading "The Man Who Tasted Shapes" (Dr. Richard E. Cytowic, ISBN-13: 978-0262532556), color-mapping in music makes a lot of sense, which makes all the more sense when one discovers that in graphic design colors are grouped as "cool" and "warm", as are light bulbs . . .

If someone is an excellent cook who relies strongly on visual cues and has a kitchen with "cool" lighting (a more bluish light), then if you change the lighting in their kitchen to "warm" (more in the red), they will overcook everything for several weeks until they adjust to the different ways "warm" lighting makes food look . . .

I think that people can learn how to do some of the things that happen rather automatically when one has synesthesia, at least to the extent of understanding it conceptually and devising a parallel mapping of some sorts, but the real FUN happens when one is able to tap into the "cookie monster" or, as Sigmund Freud named it, the "id" . . .

Although I have no way to prove this hypothesis, I think that most people can do a lot more than they consciously imagine they can do, and I think that people know a lot more than they realize in any conscious way . . .

For example, I decided several decades ago that it would be FUN to play grand piano, but not having a grand piano and having no interest whatsoever in actually practicing piano, I devised a strategy based on thinking in a very focused way about playing grand piano, where the basic premise is that people who know how to play grand piano do it without a lot of conscious thought, so I watched a lot of Marx Brothers movies and Liberace television shows where I focused on how Chico Marx and Liberace did crazy stuff with their fingers, and then all I needed to do was to discover how to do the same things in my mind, which among other excellent benefits avoids years and years of lessons, countless hours of practice, and so forth and so on . . .

And after a few decades of focused mentation, I got an 88-key weighted keyboard synthesizer (KORG Triton Music Workstation) that has a variety of grand piano presets, drank a lot of very strong coffee, and allowed myself to become temporarily insane, or if you prefer to become a temporary idiot savant, which is one of the best ways to skip all the beginning and intermediate learning stuff, with this spontaneously composed and performed grand piano extravaganza being indicative of my newly discovered grand piano artistry, which incidentally is a single grand piano part played with two hands, 10 fingers, and at various times palms, thumbnails for glissando, forearms, and the front of my head--in other words a stereo pair of tracks but mixed with a lot of long echo every so often, since the "cookie monster" really likes echo . . .

http://www.surfwhammys.com/music/11_Starlight_2.2_Grand_Piano.mp3

The key to being able to do this is not to think about it--at all--because if you understand music and play a few instruments well (for example, bass, drums, and guitar), then at some level you know what to do but it requires so much mental effort that all the conscious judging nonsense about "good", "bad", or "indifferent" tends to make one a bit temporarily stupid, so you have to suspend judgment for while in order to become a temporary idiot savant . . .

The only drawback to this strategy is that it requires an orange and a candelabra, but so what . . .

It works, which is fabulous . . .

Fabulous!

 
Well said, Alan.
this would be a sensational hbo series!

i personally believe that "God" is the universe itself, or more, the electricity of the universe.  positive and negative ions.  we're just the lightbulbs the electricity is flowing through.  when your lightbulb burns out (flat ekg, flat eeg), you toss it away.  but the energy that powered it still exists, and flows back in to the universe itself.

yes, i could be wrong.  but it's a posibility, and isn't that what this article is all about?  
We all have a very personal inner psyche (skeletons in the closet) that we reveal only in small amounts to others relative to how much we trust them. Our real thoughts of others if revealed would probably result in some sort of incarceration! We all have thoughts that we probably would reveal to no one, lest we be labeled "crazy"; yet by not doing so we are considered "normal".
Hey Rod...  This artical IS connected to Science!  Science is the study of our Universe...  and how we perceive it is intimately connected to what we will find in it.  Please.. don't be so narrow minded.  Remember Quantum Physics and Scheodinger's Cat!
A great philosopher once said, "Living is easy with eyes closed Misunderstanding all you see
It's getting hard to be someone but it all works out
It doesn't matter much to me
Always know sometimes think it's me but you know I know when it's a dream
I think a "No" will mean a "Yes" but it's all wrong
that is I think I disagree
Let me take you down cause I'm going to Strawberry Fields, Nothing is real and nothing to get hung about
Strawberry Fields Forever"

I think John Lennon would appreciate David Eagleman's exploration of what we perceive to be reality.  Now if Eagleman could just come up with a way to make his "possibilities" into mind altering classic psychedelic music, maybe he could score a few hits on the rock charts.  
Excellent article and thought provoking concept.

If God is a Microbe and 'we' are the creation to serve as a vessle to allow running, walking, or other aspects to the existance of the God, then why is "God" so prohibiting of humanity to transplant "Terraform" life to Mars or even Venus?  The bacteria God should not be opposed to the very thought of this divine transfiguration of colonizing the solar system, for the realization of doing so would allow further evolutionary aspects to occur with the bacteria "God" existing in the very life that is the vessel that carries "God" to the other worlds.  

Therefore, the astrobiologist that argue against sending microbials species or even the 'clean room' technology that is used in the manufacturing of the spacecraft might be hindering the "God" bacteria from accomplishing the highest Universal goals; creating a Heaven or Haven for life.  

Very thought provoking!  Don't offend my bacterial "God" for it might interact with the nanotechnology and thus cause an electrical sock to occur with an unbelieving population, or send upon humanity the greatest curse of the ages.

We really don't know what is in that "Holy Water" when we are emersed....now do we...what bacteria that resides therein.    
I was once with a small group that walked into a large room in which 29 highschool students were sitting against two walls.  Their principal introduced them by their first names.  When he finished, I calmly and matter-of-factly said hi to each student; never missed a beat (Hi Bert, Evelyn, Marilyn, etc.), until I had said hi to every one of them with complete confidence -- and no mistakes.  Everyone was amazed, including me, because I'm an introvert, and my IQ is average.  On my best day I probably could remember the first five names.  I've never had that experience before, or ever again; I still have no idea what happended, or why.    
Here's the afterlife I came up with after reading Abbott's Flatland. In Pointland, there's no one but you to deal with. In Lineland, you can only talk to your two neighbors for all eternity. In Flatland, you can have a conversation with three or four others, but beyond that communication is impossible. In our 3-D spaceland, we can have a hundred people or so in a room who can all listen to each other.

Therefore, our goal in each universe is to learn to communicate better. If we succeed, we are reborn into a universe with more dimensions in which we can have more complex forms of communication; if we do poorly, our next universe has fewer dimensions. This explains why, in our universe, so many people seem to perform this basic skill so very, very poorly -- with only 3 measly dimensions, we're near the bottom of the chain.
Think about how expedentially we have grown in technology just over the past 100 years, or even 10 years.. What if the next kind of technology or evolution was the brain itself and the information it could take in and understand. We reach a new wave of human evolution, abilities in communication (understanding others thoughts) being able to predict the future, moving objects with thought.. things of that nature that some claim to be able to do now or have seen other do.
Yes,If an amoebae can become an Einstein what happens when an Einstein becomes an amoebae? Will the universe advance,refine? Other animals on this planit have done alot of damage to their populations and the environment by overusing their resources . We have at least realized the dangers of over use and have made weak tries at conservation. Is learning from mistakes a cognizant alternative to blind evolution or devolution by distruction? Without humanity,could the amoebae avoid distruction,when and if the circumatances arose,finding there was no way to graduate to human inquiry and underatanding? The way of the world has been predation,but a counter point is slowly begining to EVOLVE through cognizant understanding. Is GOD trying to discover if temprol inteligence is compatable with evolution? If this be true,why then would God let an Einstein become an amoebae with some sort of argument against it?
Possibilianism sounds philosophically tintillating but ultimately and ironically impossible.
Wow, it is like science and religion are like the same thing! I believe that we are like the guck in an aquarium and God is the fish who keeps swallowing us and pooping us out. That is why it is so hard to get our bearings! It's an analogy, true, but this article is about analogies and now it's on the internet, so watch out!!
Aren't we all 'possiblians' to some degree?  Didn't Shakespeare say something about 'nothing new under the sun?'  And somebody else said 'perception is reality.'

It is 'the possibility' of something - anything - either existing or occurring that excites us and opens new pathways of perception within our minds that makes us human and elevates us just beyond the confines of our animal origins.  We are such stuff as dreams are made on.  Shakespeare again.  
Don't want to break this to you, but there's only two possibilities for your afterlife (not 40!) and it all depends on whether you have a relationship with Jesus or not (Matthew 25,Matthew 28, Mark 16:16, Luke 16,John 3, John 5:28-30. Also check out Romans 3,John 14:1-4,I Peter 2).
Microbe or cosmos, giantess or universe, "That which created all things" aka God, Allah, Raj etc is best described as amazing, wonderful, something to be marveled at. Some years ago I decided to just marvel. Each day I think how many different species of plants there are, the intricate details of the deep ocean floor, the amazing way our body works, the need for mosquitos in the ecosystem, the concept that we start as a microscopic egg and sperm or any of the million of marvelous things we find in our planet and in life. We are born, we live we learn we grow old, we die. All things (except for plastic probably) do. I'm ok with that. Since I don't feel like dying right now to find out what is on the other side, I accept that there is something and if "that which created everything" created so much cool stuff in our physical world the next must be just as exciting. But it is fun to imagine... and marvel.
DRR, I've also gotten a lot of comments in the past that just quote scripture and declare that people are saved or damned. (And comments from atheists saying how stupid/misguided believers are.) I hope we won't get into another flame war over this. If you have a particular perspective on a higher plane (or non-plane), it'd be cooler to talk about why you have that perspective, and how it's worked out for you. There's not much need to proselytize here, or burst someone else's beliefs. (I really, really like Margaret's comment, by the way.)
The author is obviously a crazed maniac.  Everyone knows 7 is blue.  He must be out of his mind to think 4 could be blue, and I am willing to fight and die for this well known truth.
In the very beginning there was nothing. Wait - not even nothing itself existed. But...there were possibilities. Thus Chaos and it's opposite Order became.

I've writted version of this for over fifty years, so it time to share..
I would be an atheist if it weren't for one issue - "I think, therefore, I am!" In other words, I don't think there can ever be a scientific explanation for consciousness. If our universe was fully logical/scientific/secular (like a giant physics simulation), I should be nothing more than a complex, deterministic sequence of chemical reactions - an algorithm in a computer program, basically. Yet, computers are not, and will never be, alive/conscious because they are deterministic (i.e., any computer program can be executed "by hand" with pencil and paper, much like solving a mathematical equation). Life, consciousness, free thought - If this phenomenon cannot be modeled through mathematical equations (if they could, then would the equations themselves be alive?), there's no way science can explain its existence.
I am an atheist--as one might say, an agnostic atheist (meaning that I don't believe in gods: but at the same, I am willing to look at all of the evidence, in as objective a fashion as possible... and the mere "possibility" of "greater" forms of life doesn't send me into a quivering state of fear.)

I'm generally rather skeptical. I'm not perfect, I suppose, but I can't hope for much better, because I doubt the hamburger on my plate most evenings.

Anyhow, if any "metaphysical" theory were to make sense, then the concept of microbes as gods must be listed among the best. I haven't the time to look up specific research, but I would bet that the number of specific adherents to any given religion are WAY below the percentage of people who reproduce. (And if my failure to cite specific sources offends thee, blame me, I'm a teacher! I'm raising 100 kids whose parents don't seem to care enough to call or TRY! If this is America then I quit.)

I well understand and appreciate the theories that we collectively call "evolution"... and, hey, they make sense, and I put them far above any common religion. However, the idea that the majority of our species would seek out and *&^% an individual of the opposite sex says a LOT more than any supposedly "religious" statement about why men should lay with women.
JD, Seattle, WA....."decades" of meditation and *that* is all you can come up with? If not for multiple instruments it would sound that much more terrible.

The mark of any good pianist, indeed, the mark of professionalism in any pursuit, is the ability to successfully work within limited means.

Here is some advice. Cut the nonsense and actually practice--with one instrument. I have zero musical talent, and had zero musical training at one point. On a whim I decided to purchase a small 66 key electric piano. Two weeks of listening to classical music and regular practice and I have learned to compose music reminiscent of Moonlight Sonata and other well-known period music.

In short: Experience makes the difference.

No matter what faith or belief system you belong to the common thread that binds us all together is not the question of were we will go when we die, or what the *afterlife* will be like, but how we live our *life*
Alan, thank you for a thought provoking discussion and I look forward to reading most of Mr. Eagleman's book.

The emphasis that has been placed on Science as the "explanation of all things rational" and the diminution of emphasis on faith have led us (and the majority of the G-8 nations) to a place where skeptics apparently have the upper hand over clerics in the daily "battle for respect" in everyday life.

I believe this is principally because our fear of sudden or early death has been eroded; wars, famines, plagues, et. al. seemed rather consistent up through the middle of the last century, but with the conclusion of the World Wars, much of that have been restricted to the 3rd World, and with the end of the Cold War, the fear of Nuclear weapons have melted away.

Western Religion's resistance to the advance of Science is well documented, but there are some realms where faith is certain to have the final and upper hand.  Until it can be managed to bring someone back from the dead under experimental conditions, and said experiment repeated by others (it is imperative that the rules established by Science are followed) the skeptic's guess is no better than that of the cleric and his followers.
What if......we are made in Gods imagenation and not in his image and everything we see, hear, touch, etc. is simply the workings of a larger intellagence.

Were in the mind of a bigger brain and we call it space!
Hi Alan

It's nice to wonder, but a Guide to the Other World is usually considered mandatory, else one might lose one's way. But beware those trying to sell you a Map, or promising an Express Lane to Paradise.

This side of the Wall Between Worlds I've seen many strange things, in dreams and visions, shared and alone. Both an Angel and a Demon, or so I believed at the time. But I've seen other things in the sky and in dreams that don't really fit either box. Could the Other World be "Dark Matter" with a different kind of physics? Or something hyperdimensional?

A couple of interesting teasers have come to me in dreams and visions. In one I entered a shop filled with Wonders and Mysteries, and the Man at the checkout counter was God. He said I'd see him again when I knew the Question that I most wanted to ask Him... which I still haven't managed to figure out yet. What a metaphor!

Another is of an immense spherical City, light-years across, distorting space-time with its own self-gravity, suspended above a Singularity that acted as its power-source... a City that would take millions, billions, trillions of life-times to explore. And everyone who ever lived, or ever will live, was there... though they weren't always happy about it. At least at first.
amen Rod!!! In Rod I Trust!
Personally, I'm happy with plain old physics to provide me with a sense of my place in the universe. Apparently the "Creation Event" was caused by the touching of 2 membranes (or "branes"). Before that, this universe didn't exist - no matter, and - here's where it gets fun - no time and no space.  Not just a vast empty space.  Just nothing.  And at the exact microsecond of our universe's creation, there were 14 dimensions.  We struggle along with the 4 obvious ones (3 spatial dimensions plus time), but the other 10 are still around us.  Just smaller than the particles (or strings) that are the building blocks of everything. I'm perfectly happy knowing I'm just  an amoeba in the big scheme of things.  Why do people worry about questions like "what is the purpose of life?"  Who said there has to be a purpose? (We are such a vain species.)  Why must a being that looks like us have to consciously oversee the realllly big show?  I also don't believe in miracles, but it's a good word for describing the accident of life and our evolution into the creatures we are today.  Since the beginning of our planet there have been billions of species that have evolved, many intelligent, but none with the capacity to question and answer that we humans have, so pay homage to your brain.  It may be the most complicated piece of organic equipment in our universe, so don't waste it.  We should all keep learning and growing - and enjoy the ride while it lasts, wherever it takes us.  
"It's all the same place, and we are in it..."

First life is full of challenge by the rules and laws of God.Second life is the real life base on our daily activities in first life. Human justice is manipulated by the groups of people to whom you know.
Spiritual justice is base on reality and no one can escape the punishment.In reality we learned a wrong practice of religious belief by the people or group of people with personal interest to pretend they are a chosen people of God.In reality they receive the spiritual power from the Fallen angels (Devils).Devils are strong if we are lack of faith in God,they are helping peoples in different ways and against the will of God.Like killing and make the people sick,they are good inpersonator and changing image like God etc.Second life is our destiny good or bad people we are all segregated base on oue activities in first life.In reality all fallen angels are death, it was redeem last year sept.or nov.they are turn to clay in the kingdom of God. More nature disaster will come in the future and gone be by gone. Bad human behavior cause all this things.
Stan Lee marveled...
Years ago I was flatlined for 7 min..I only told my parents at the time wat i saw. There was a circular, or hexagonal tunnel w/a bright sparkling star at the end. Then, it was like a "whoosh", i was awakened, like i was thrust back into my body. Now, iam telling this coz no-one knows me. The day after, i asked the nurse sitting by my bed, "am i dead, is this heaven?" "where am i"..my mind could not digest the fact i had lived, and i KNEW there was something after..
If I get to choose my afterlife, I want Narnia--or one with a really great library, a hill with a hot tub, my friends and family for great conversation, and a never-ending glass of iced tea, please.
I agree with Alan's posting of this story. I think that the topic of human perception is an important one, and that it does straddle the line between neurophysics and metaphysics. I believe that how we perceive reality is intimately tied up with the process by which need assign causality in our daily lives. And that plays a role in the conceptualization of Deity. This isn't to say that Deity (however one defines it) does or does not exist. But being a curious species, we shouldn't be afraid to explore this field using what tools and techniques that science can provide. Lay on, Alan. You have my support.
To define,is to limit
Actually we ARE all here to serve as God's eyes and ears for its own needs. It (God) experiences itself partially through us. So God is not a microbe but we are in a sense. So the connection to God is always there and one challenge is to go beyond the habitual human limitations to experience the reality that is in a dimension really quite close to us. You don't have to die to do that. For interesting results of such an exploration read two books by Michael Newton, "Journey of Souls" and "Destiny of Souls" and if you are really serious about going beyond your comfort level, check out eckankar.org where exploring the other side is considered a daily goal. A wise man once said that one's level of consciousness is one's level of acceptance. This implies that if you don't entertain the existence of something new or uncomfortable, how will you grow? And try to temper or control your judgements.  Comparing calculus to what you learned in first grade math is self-defeating. Be more like a tourist where everything different is new and interesting and exciting so you can find out why it exists and what value it may have!
firmly held opinions...based on absolute ignorance...

It's really scary to realize that we truly don't know Jack Diddley Squat about much, eh?

And we all, each and every one, don't know squat about a different everythingngness.

What you don't know is different from what I don't know...and from an entireley different viewpoint..but neither of us really knows anything.

So we should be able to agree, eh?

It's all in yer noggin...

Problem solved...next!
This is what is so wonderful/terrible about us as a species.  We have free thought and can believe whatever we want to believe (if I believe it, it is true [for me]).  Reality and thought exist in the mind.  This where I define my reality and you define yours. Our brain functions are bio-chemical-electrical-reactions.  The act of 'living' allows these processes to continue to operate.  When we die, they stop.  Our perceptions are responses to the stimuli they receive, starting at conception (the point at which the "deck is shuffled" and a new life is created).  At this point our brain is a blank disk that has just completed the formatting process.  This has nothing to do with religion, a human concept devoted to promote proper thinking.  We are the microbe only more complicated.  We are each unique and respond as our chemistry permits.  We are victims of ourselves and our environment.  The problem we all face is being able to differentiate fact from belief.
How do you explain Dejavu? Because it happens to me all the time. I'll be in a conversation with someone, or drive past something in a town I've never been in before and I get instant recollection that I've lived that moment before. I also see the numbers 111 or 1111 at least 3-8 times a day for the past 5 years. It freaks me out. I do believe that we have a spirit that moves on after death. The human spirit is way too emotional & individualy defining that there is just no way I could conceive the possibility of an enternity of nothing..blackness...
This is just how I feel about it. Not looking for heckling.
When I think that our galaxy has billions of stars, and there are trilions of galaxies, I have a problem relating that to any religion.  I hope there's more than any religion offers. What a waste if not.

I personally feel that the energy in us leaves and 'becomes more aware' after death. We understand everything, everybody. No sorrow, no glee, but a great understanding of what is and has been,,maybe what is to be.

(If that's true, tho, why would that energy try to come back?. As a human to live in whatever strife it happens to land in? An animal that is likely to be 'harvested' by humans? A bird, fish, or whatever, that is likely to be poisoned by humans? Why not drift somewhere else in the universe; there must be better options.)

If a string was stretched from NY to CA, our time in this universe would be a small pencil mark on the string (probably somewhere in Nevada if you're headed east).  Understand, our telescopes can see billions of years back in time.  Who's to say someone isn't looking back billions of years at us?

With that in mind, I'd hate to think we just go blank after life.  Too much to explore.
ELLE: RE
The idea that the universe is GOD...
Or maybe the mind (brain) of god,like the inner workings of our own mind .The universe has bundles of galaxies (information,or thoughts and memories) that are seperate but held together by gravaty
DRR, stay comfortable in your belief. That's part of what life is all about. Whatever helps guide you to live comfortably with those around you is good for you. It probably helps if they believe as you do. But, if they don't, leave your mind open to what they think. You'll benefit from the knowlege and know how to live with them more easily.

Like yourself, they have beliefs that guide them thru life. Hopefully, they are open to understanding you have yours.

All that religion has written has been written in less than 100,000 years (Bible, cave walls, whatever). Your place in the universe has, according to what we think we know, been here for fourteen billion years or so.  Was there nothing going on before our guys started writing?

Probably. But, there is comfort in faith, belief. It's like an anchor in a storm.  Stay comfortable.
Since we're constructing time, then perhaps the Afterlife is a misnomer--perhaps it is really a Beforelife, or a Concurrentlife.
Karen said "why wouldn't whatever created us just want us for its own needs. Why do we not think we are just here to be harvested?"

That's actually what happened- God created us to meet His need for someone to love and have relationship with. And He wants to "harvest us", bring us into relationship with Him. We are made for His pleasure, and because he IS love, His pleasure is pleasurable to us...there is nothing more peasurable than real love.  


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