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When comets attack

Posted: Thursday, July 30, 2009 1:22 PM by Alan Boyle


Mike Solontoi / Univ. of Washington
A long-period comet called 2001 RX14 (Linear) streaks across the sky in an image
captured in 2002 by the Sloan Digital Sky Survey's telescope in New Mexico.

The black eye that Jupiter suffered this month has sparked a host of questions for astronomers as well as for the rest of us: What exactly hit the giant planet, and why didn't we see it coming? Why is Jupiter's bruise expanding? How often do these things happen, and how vulnerable are we to a similar cosmic pummeling? Astronomers are closing in on the answers - and helping the public get a better sense of perspective.

The first question is a toughie: What was it that caused Jupiter's "Great Black Spot," which was first noticed by an amateur astronomer in Australia back on July 19? "I'm not sure we'll ever know precisely," said Glenn Orton, a planetary scientist at NASA's Jet Propulsion Laboratory who is a member of the team studying the impact and its aftermath.

Orton addressed the "whatdunit" mystery on JPL's Weblog and expanded upon the subject in a phone interview. The best guess is that the impactor was a comet that measured perhaps a quarter of a mile (half a kilometer) wide. Why a comet and not an asteroid? "Almost everything in that part of the solar system is icy," Orton noted.

A comet that small might not have been noticed from Earth, particularly if it came directly at Jupiter from the outer reaches of the solar system, essentially hitting the giant planet from behind. That would explain why any observers who were watching Jupiter at the time missed seeing the impact.

"The impact almost certainly appeared on the far side in the preceding 10 hours," Orton said.

By the time the impact area came into view, all observers could see was a darkish cloud in Jupiter's dense atmosphere. You could call it a scar, or a bruise, or a black eye. On the Unmanned Spaceflight Web forum, some folks have used the term "astrobleme" - coming from the Greek words for "star wound."


H. Hammel (STScI) / NASA / ESA / Jupiter Impact Team
The black-and-white picture at left provides a wide-angle view of Jupiter. The white box outline shows the area taken in by the color picture at right.

Over the past week, the wound has widened, and Orton said that's due to wind shear at different cloud levels. "The upper part of the scar is moving westward, and the lower part is moving eastward," he told me.

As time goes on, astronomers can use those darkish particles to trace the flow in Jupiter's atmosphere. That's something they couldn't do nearly as well 15 years ago when Comet Shoemaker-Levy 9 broke up into scads of pieces and smashed into Jupiter. The multiplicity of impacts made it difficult to figure out which material was going where. In the current case, there appears to have been just one piece, which makes the tracing job much easier.

In weeks to come, astronomers will be analyzing the chemical composition of the material left behind by the cosmic smackdown, the composition of the material dredged up from the depths of Jupiter's atmosphere, and the way all that material diffuses into the clouds.

That means Orton and his colleagues are in for a hectic few weeks. "My days and nights are filled with asking for telescope time, and pulling data down from telescopes," he said.

Virtually every day, astronomers have been posting pictures of Jupiter and its Black Spot on forums such as Unmanned Spaceflight, the Planetary Virtual Observatory and Laboratory, ALPO and ALPO-Japan.

Could it happen here?
Meanwhile, the impact has led many to wonder about the chances that something similar might hit Earth instead. Fortunately, Jupiter is so much larger than our own planet that it acts as a gravitational attractor for cosmic debris. That makes Jupiter "our friendly big brother," Orton said.

It so happens that research newly published by the journal Science provides more data on the likelihood of killer comets - specifically, the chance that a shower of long-period comets might be pushed toward Earth.

The bad news is that computer simulations indicate such a comet shower is indeed possible. The good news is that the same simulations suggest Earth should experience a comet shower only once every 500 million years.

Long-period comets are among the wild cards in a thick deck of cosmic threats. In contrast with short-period comets, such as Comet Halley and Comet Tempel-Tuttle, long-period comets trace insanely eccentric orbits that range out beyond Neptune, Pluto and the Kuiper Belt to a little-understood region on the solar system's edge known as the Oort Cloud. The best-known example is Comet Hale-Bopp (which pays us a visit every 4,200 years).

University of Washington researchers Nathan Kaib and Thomas Quinn ran computer simulations of solar system interactions to see how long-period comets could be knocked loose from the inner Oort Cloud, a region that spans the zone between 1,000 and 20,000 AU away from the sun. (One AU, or Astronomical Unit, is equivalent to the distance between Earth and the sun - that is, 93 million miles or 150 million kilometers).

The outer Oort Cloud goes from 20,000 AU to as much as 100,000 AU, or nearly halfway out to the next star. Astronomers have long believed that comets could be jarred loose from the outer Oort Cloud by a passing star. But some of them thought the solar system was structured such that comets came only rarely from the inner Oort Cloud, in deadly bursts.

In the Science research, published online today, Kaib and Quinn report that comets from the inner Oort Cloud can indeed "penetrate Jupiter's orbit via a largely unexplored pathway" and are a "significant, if not the dominant, source" of long-period comets.

That might sound like bad news. The UW researchers see it differently, however: They say the simulations actually suggest there are fewer comets in the entire Oort Cloud, inner plus outer, than astronomers previously thought. Demystifying the inner Oort Cloud has the effect of making the whole region seem somewhat less dangerous.

"For the past 25 years, the inner Oort Cloud has been considered a mysterious, unobserved region of the solar system capable of providing bursts of bodies that occasionally wipe out life on Earth," Quinn said in a UW news release. "We have shown that comets already discovered can actually be used to estimate an upper limit on the number of bodies in this reservoir."

Back to the Black Spot
The simulations indicate that Jupiter and Saturn should be able to catch most of the long-period comets coming our way, like goalies catching soccer balls. Even in the worst-case scenario, only about two or three big comets would slip through and hit Earth, the researchers said.

Kaib and Quinn go so far as to suggest that the only time this happened in the past half-billion years or so was during a minor extinction event in the late Eocene geologic period, 33 million to 40 million years ago. It's thought that the late Eocene was marked by cometary impacts in present-day Chesapeake Bay and Siberia.

"If the late Eocene episode was caused by a comet shower, it was likely the most powerful shower since the Cambrian Explosion, implying that comet showers are unlikely to account for other observed extinction events," the researchers wrote.

The calculations published in Science make the specter of killer comet storms look a little less threatening. It's important to remember, however, that Kaib and Quinn are talking purely in terms of statistical analysis. The case of Jupiter's Great Black Spot illustrates that statistics can take you only so far.

Fifteen years ago, astronomers said Comet Shoemaker-Levy 9's collision with Jupiter was an exceedingly rare occurrence. Now we know that's not necessarily so. "The 1-in-a million chance of seeing one of these per century is clearly off," JPL's Orton said.

For years, JPL has been keeping track of potential cosmic threats as part of its Near-Earth Object Observation Program. Now the subject has spawned a brand-new Web site titled Asteroid Watch, which offers blog entries and a Twitter link as well as an asteroid widget. I suspect the Great Black Spot had something to do with all this.

For even more perspective, check out our "Close Encounters of the Asteroid Kind" interactive, and conduct your own search for asteroids and comets on msnbc.com.


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It could be an internal eruption of some sort. Why does everyone assume that something struck Jupitor?
Has anyone checked to see of any of Jupiter's moons are missing?
Shouldn't this at least be a hint its time we start setting our sights on other places to call home incase of of a future impending collision?
DIS IS KOOL
I think we assume we know enough about the paths of asteroids and comets to be able to predict a path for the ones that can be seen. What if what we can't predict is an occurrence that is common in the universe but because of our perspective (our view) it is a minor occurrence on our scale of threats? Even with images from probes and images from radio telescopes here on earth we would still have a limited view of what really exists out there. Since matter in space does not recognize time. We would never be able to predict for certain what was coming our way. Until we have the technology to get a three dimensional view of the entire universe it would be better to prepare for an emergency plan for matter striking the earth. Since the earth has existed. Civilizations and civilizations have had time to grow and be annihilated by space matter impact. It’s probably one of the best threats to man's existence besides biological. A big enough impact would change things as we know it. We are in worse shape than bugs on a car windshield traveling down the highway at eighty miles an hour. At least the car will stop sooner or later. The earth stopping would mean death for us all.

"Earth should experience a comet shower only once every 500 million years, and we've probably already had our turn."  Shame on you!  This is just the Monte Carlo fallacy:  "My opponent has just won a hand, so I'm due to win one, to balance out, so I'll bet everything!"  A good way to go broke!

[ALAN ADDS: Yes, you're right. That reference was made mostly in jest, but I shouldn't let myself fall into that potential trap. As I mentioned at the end, this purely statistical analysis does not rule out a "once-in-a-million" event happening twice in a span of 15 years or 15 days. I'll remove that last phrase.] 

If a comet hit Jupiter and created a (black eye) or so. Then why is it growning at a rate that u can see it expanding? through a high powered telescope at we're there watching it at. I personally do not believe that it is an asteroid or comet. It's just one of those unexplainable things that happen in life.  
Maybe we found Hoffa
THIS IS SO AMAZING. IT JUST EXPANDS OUR IMAGINATIONS AND EXPLORATORY CURIOSITIES. DO WE "REALLY" KNOW WHAT THE DARK IMAGE IS? ITS FACINATING THAT WITH ALL THE TECHNOLOGY NO ONE SAW IT COMING.
Curious:
Revelation 8:8-13  The second angel blew his trumpet, and something like a great mountain ablaze with fire was hurled into the sea. So a third of the sea became blood,  (9)  a third of the living creatures in the sea died, and a third of the ships were destroyed.  (10)  The third angel blew his trumpet, and a great star, blazing like a torch, fell from heaven. It fell on a third of the rivers and springs of water.  (11)  The name of the star is Wormwood, and a third of the waters became wormwood. So, many of the people died from the waters, because they had been made bitter.  (12)  The fourth angel blew his trumpet, and a third of the sun was struck, a third of the moon, and a third of the stars, so that a third of them were darkened. A third of the day was without light, and the night as well.  (13)  I looked, and I heard an eagle, flying in mid-heaven, saying in a loud voice, "Woe! Woe! Woe to those who live on the earth, because of the remaining trumpet blasts that the three angels are about to sound!"
Does this prove that Jupiter is not a "Gas Giant"?  Can you put a hole is gas and it holds its position for this amount of time?  One would assume the surface is solid if a hole can be punched out of it.
Every 500 million years? Someone should do their homework before writing articles.  The correct answer is 3600 years according to geological data. Even a look into historical accounts would show this.  Due to our Sun having a dark binary twin with an elliptical orbit which crashes through the Oort cloud like a bowling ball into pins, we are subject to a cyclical bombardment with remarkable regularity.  The bad news...we are now very due for this again. they are already here, like sprinkles before the storm, as the number of fireballs and cosmic debris falling through our atmosphere has been increasing for the last 15 years. It may not destroy the planet, but destruction is a certainty. Watch and see.
I would not be so sure Jupiter and Saturn will usually stop these comets from hitting earth. Most comets travel in highly inclined orbits with perihelions from 1.5 to 0.5 au and earth sits at 1 au right in the middle. Comets often travel the opposite direction as the planets do and can hit much faster and harder than the near earth asteroids.  
RE unreported meteorological events...

About ten days ago, I saw a large meteor streak toward the ENE on pretty much the same path being watched by lots of Folks observing the ISS one day earlier.

The bright orange cat tail covered about one degree of sky as it must have entered the atmosphere, went right through, and back out.

My heart sank for an instant at the thought of degraded orbits and the ISS, but quickly knew the speed was way too great...I had seen the ISS the night before...not even close RE speed...PHEWW!

This took place just North of Boston, in a very high air traffic zone.

Two commercial jets were behind the event, flying in the same direction.

This was big...I've seen a few large, bright meteor trails in years of looking up...only once, in the early 1970s, when pieces actually fell in New Hampshire and upstate NY, have I seen anything brighter.

Yet...not one single mention of this appeared anywhere that I could find over the next few days.

Whassupwidat?

No kiddin', Folks...this ain't Yours Truly being foolish for entertainment...why didn't anyone else see this?

It would have been directly in the line of sight of at least two commercial airline crews.

Point being...Jupiter Shmoopiter...we don't even have good intelligence on Earth RE incoming objects.

Pretty cool, by the way...instantaneous ticker jump start for sure...one blink and it would have passed unnoticed.
It would be a good and helpful (& popular) service if MSNBC ran a basic science column in addition to this one. With our school systems failing to teach anything, we really need some help from media outlets to deliver educational content of a more basic nature.

We know it's not an internal eruption because Jupiter is a gas giant. There isn't any significant geologic activity on the planet. Further, the "signature" of the impact hole in the atmosphere is similar to prior impact strikes.  

No, none of Jupiter's moons are missing. A collision of a moon would be highly predictable as the orbits are gravitationally controlled.

Relocating from Earth is very very difficult, even IF we had a nearby planet to move to.  It's easier to find all the impact threats and deflect any in danger of hitting us. The easiest way to deflect such threats is to influence their gravity by flying space probes nearby or, in extreme cases, flying into the object. Blowing up an incoming object would just create more incoming objects to worry about.

The biggest problem with finding incoming threats is the relatively small number of people looking. Even so, we can tell how many are remaining through statistical analysis. If you can only find 1 new object for every 10 known objects then you're pretty close to finished. And we have a three dimensional view of the universe already. Physics and the wealth of data from all sorts of telescopes and sensors gives us a pretty clear picture of our "neighborhood."

The earth is not going to stop from an impact. An impact from a comet or asteroid isn't going to do much to the planet itself. It can wipe out the atmosphere at worst and clearly pose serious problems for life on Earth - but it's not going to alter our orbital tracks. We've been hit by massive comets and asteroids in the past including a huge impact that wiped out the dinosaurs, but the earth's rotation and orbit were not changed as a result. The threat is from the force of the impact throwing up debris and altering the atmosphere so that large lifeforms would go extinct.

And the interactions of gravity/matter with time are easily accounted for by physics.

If you're interested in science (or anything really) there are some good DVD's in libraries these days that break things down and are straightforward. Also Nova and such programs are available online for viewing. Many universities also have classes available to watch for free via itunesU.

[ALAN ADDS: Thanks for the excellent comment ... Maybe you should be a guest columnist, you've summarized things so well. Please feel free to join in the discussion anytime.] 
How do astronomers know that the comet was a long-term comet from the Oort Cloud as opposed to a short-term comet from the Kuiper Belt?
A chance in half billion years? then, with one comet shower from the cambrian explosion and another one in the eocene, hell so the asteroid of the Yucatan peninsula seems to be "off" the "showers", so one doesnt count?. Lets have in mid that it seems to have wiped out the mighty dinosaurs. Instead of those F22s we should be building better Ares rockets and other colonization space craft.
Laurel, that's a good question. Glenn said we will probably never know what is was. However, I suppose there's a chance that someone could look back at archived observations and find a "pre-discovery" image of the little ice ball. The assumption that it's a comet rather than an asteroid is based on Glenn's observation that everything is icy out that far, so there probably had to be enough ice on the thing to make it count as a comet. As for short period vs. long period, that's just a surmise based on the fact that nothing previously observed has matched up with the impactor's course. Jupiter was definitely hit by something incoming from behind, but I think the long-period scenario is favored just because that is typically more unpredictable ... as this impact was. (Looking back at Shoemaker-Levy 9, that was apparently a short-period comet that was captured in a very loose Jovian orbit.)
even if it was an asteroid dont we have an machine that can shoot the astoriod into pieces u figure as long as we been on earth u would figure that nasa would have somthing to prevent the earth from getting hit by an astroid or comit
Quit quoting biblical verses in a scientific discussion, no one wants to hear that crap.
every billion years thats stranger than the hand full of pieces that hit on the same week.
jupitor needs more study. as to the other planets  that have the same  pull
With all the things happening on our little planet right now, an asteroid or meterior impact seems the least of our problems. The impact or detonation of a weapon of mass destruction (atomic or biological) appear as a more logical threat. Assuming we are saved from our own stupidity, then a cosmic impact does seem remote or atleast i hope so. as for Jupitor being a gaseous planet, i believe that was what i was taught in Junior High school, way back when. But i believe i was also taught that most gases at the right density and with gravitys effect, then the gas would become a solid. I'm probably wrong about this but it could explain why the impact on jupiter is showing up as deforming expanding scar on its surface. Maybe its a growing number of oblisks 2 x 4 6. not sure about the dimensions, been awhile since i saw 2001 or 2010 A space odesy. I'm sure my spelling is as bad as the sugestion, sorry about that.  
IDK WUT U NERDZ ARE TALKIN BOUT
as Doc Jorge said blowing it up would cause more problems. the problem being that when you blow it up it shatters into hundereds or thousands of smaller parts that are still heading towards us. So instead of one gigantic rock coming towards us we have many smaller ones. Now you can probley see the problem with just having "a machine that can shoot the astriod into pieces".
I dont think anybody knows the truth about what actually caused the dark spot. All we can do is speculate on what we think it is. Nobody really knows the true cause of all the extinctions of the past. So these statistics on how often this could happen to Earth are nothing more than a guess. Considering the massive time scale of the universe, it seems unlikely a catastrophic impact would happen in the tiny fraction of time that we exsist in. Its still possible though.
I'd have to say...ummm...if you know little....ermm...VERY little about science or astronomy...Emmm...Maybe you shouldn't post on science and...ummm...Astronomy boards? A rather large number of the questions posed indicate that some of you did not RTFA in the first place.
before, there were huge cosmic activities and less human knowlede and facilities to observe, this makes human to search more and more in order to obtain at least some information if we are at high risk to confront an impact or impacts from out. a big question is that why both cosmic evolution and human evolution come concomitantly to a point at this time (still we are protected from outer impacts for billions of years)in which our solar system more stable than it was that helps human to deal with past, present, and future.  
Here are a couple of observations:

(1) One of the main reasons this appear to be a comet strike is that the impact scar looks very much like the Shoemaker-Levy 9 impacts from 15 years ago.  

(2) Perhaps archival shots will be recovered, an excellent point from above.  This does happen quite often (like Charon discovered around Pluto in 1978, then archival images from 1965 are shown, etc.).

(3) There are several reasons that Jupiter has been established as a gas giant, chief among them being its mass.  Given its volume, it would be MUCH more massive if composed of silicates with a mix of even heavier elements, like Earth.  Still, the term 'gas giant' is a slight misnomer in the sense that Jupiter and Saturn are gas giants based upon their composition being well over 90% hydrogen (H) and helium (He), though their internal structure is more like a deep atmosphere followed by liquid ocean tens of thousands of miles deep, followed by liquid metallic H, then an unknown core, perhaps rocky.

(4) The "protection" role Jupiter supposedly plays has been debated (at New Scientist, among other sites, if I recall), suggesting that although Jupiter (and to a leser extent Saturn) either deflect many comets out of the solar system or collide with them, the relative velocities of comets (roughly on a similr order to any flyby spacecraft like Voyager or Cassini) are such that they could actually be deflected inward to the inner solar system.  As such, I draw some (not a complete) sense of security about the celestial policing role Jupiter and Saturn play regarding rogue comets and/or asteroids.

(5) On a somewhat separate note, I look forward to "The Case for Pluto," having given a small presentation at the 2008 Great Planet Debate in Maryland (in favor of Pluto and gravitational self-rounding as the criteria for planethood (welcome, Moon and other satellite planets to the greater planetary family of classical, dwarf, and exo-planets).  If any other guest commentators are ever needed, I volunteer.
seriously, who cares. wow, they found a black spot on Jupiter... make a movie!
Oh wow. Do we need better schools and fast.
YEAH REALLY - WHY ISN'T THERE A SINGLE NEWS OR BLOG ETC ABOUT THE POSSIBILITY OF INTERNAL ERUPTION/EXPLOSION, WHICH BRINGS ME TO ANOTHER THOUGHT - IT'S BECAUSE NO ONE KNOWS HARDLY ANYTHING ABOUT JUPITER OR EARTH FOR THAT MATTER, EXECPT THAT LAVA COMES OUT ONCE IN A WHILE - COULDN'T THE EARTH ERUPT INSIDE OUT? WHO KNOWS??! LOT OF TALKING - NO KNOWLEDGE.
Observations of the infrared spectrum reveal the material of which this spot is made of to be raised by a giant explosion which could only be matched by a rock hitting the planet. Its growing, but is going blurry. I had the chance to watch it myself and looks cool. Never seen something like this before, because when the SL9 struck I was just a little kid.
I support the impact theory.
There's mounting evidence and much scientific interest in suspected comets that exploded over Tunguska Russia as recently as 1906 leveling some 80 square miles with a tremendous blast whose effects were observed around the world.  More frightening, if you Google Clovis Comet, see increasing evidence that a very large comet about 13,000 years ago exploded over North America causing a global winter event and destroying much of the Clovis civilization and megafauna on our continent.  We need to figure out what to do and how to be prepared in the event that one of these dirty snowballs heads our way (at 30-60 Kilometers per second!)
Oh, my god...  It's amazing the number of people who have no education in science, let alone astrophysics, who actually post their opinions:  

"Does this prove that Jupiter is not a "Gas Giant"?  Can you put a hole is gas and it holds its position for this amount of time?  One would assume the surface is solid if a hole can be punched out of it."

One would be wrong.  Gas acts like a liquid in many ways and when you drop a rock into a body of water, it makes a 'hole', however short-lived it may be.  The same kind of 'holes' were observed when Jupiter was hit by Shoemaker-Levy 9.  It took several months for these 'holes' to be filled in because gas is less dense.  The hole in Jupiter will eventually fill in.

"Due to our Sun having a dark binary twin with an elliptical orbit which crashes through the Oort cloud like a bowling ball into pins, we are subject to a cyclical bombardment with remarkable regularity."

If the sun had a 'dark binary' it would have been found gravitationally long ago. It was once theorized that such a mass existed.  Research and observation has proven it doesn't.  There is no predictable periodicity to spacial impacts with the Earth.

"If a comet hit Jupiter and created a (black eye) or so. Then why is it growning at a rate that u can see it expanding? through a high powered telescope at we're there watching it at. I personally do not believe that it is an asteroid or comet. It's just one of those unexplainable things that happen in life."

It's 'growing' because the atmospheric bands on Jupiter rotate in opposite directions and at different speeds.  The same thing happens in large bodies of water - they're called currents.  Thermals are what happens in gas.  The 'growing' of the hole is merely an elongation and reaction of it in the outer layers of Jupiter's atmosphere in response to the thermals inherent in the region it was created.  It's perfectly explainable - we call it physics.

Look, folks, if you don't have a clue (and you don't, take my word for it), please remember the old adage: "Tis better to remain silent and be thought a fool than to open one's mouth and remove all doubt."

Failing that, take a science course or two.  An opinion should be based on fact - especially a scientific opinion.
Obviously the monoliths have begun their work on Jupiter just in time for 2010.  I just wish Arthur C. Clarke was still around to see it.
dang im still a virgin...comet get it.
scary up there even scaryier not knowing what will happen .... a billion years huh? to hit oh yea  the other billion is what ?  a miss,is it like 4 guys with a shot gun or 8 guys  shooting at you the same time. lol seems too much to ask but isnt it the same anyplace eles out there . just in case TAKE OUT THE TRASH..
This is all very fasinating however to the person of said Bible stuff was crap .I beg to differ on that ,the truth is that a true reading of the Bible along with the true discovery of all things that the minds of mankind can come up with are both highly inportant for all of our futhers.Open mindedness can lead to great things I`ve have personally study both fields and have found that the Bible and scientific truths often completement each orther only one with closed mind ya a fool would dismiss one for the orther.God is all about true and his wonders are every where as is his truth.It is great that we as humans wonder and pounder all things I think God wants us to think for our selfs there are a number of possibleitys of things that could happen in space and even to our world,the struglles if the worst was to happen would be great but we as a race of children in Gods hands would still be alright and part of his wonder plain for all of us.So have some faith and keep looking up for as he Jesus left the world in the sky so shall he also return.
oh by the way the only way to get funding ..is if one hits today...
it is in all relegions that the life at earth has to end.when, we dont know.in every next moment,we come to know about a new phenomena in the universe. impossible to control them. they are natural.
when the life is going to end? here we can arrange certain events.
1. appearance of the Jesus Christ to help the faithful as narrated in Quran (Muslim belief)
2.  the earth will change its direction of motion as Mars is going to do (NASA discovery). sun will rise from west (saying of Mohammad Holy Prophet).
3. some collision will take place on earth or in neighbourhood. it will produce a terrible sound. every thing will be destroyed because of the sound produced.
4. the sun will be extremely near to the earth. the sound referred above may be the sounds of the explosions on our Sun. it can be another sun.
there can be a reason to believe that jupito is GASGIANT.the widening of the hole support it. for example, consider a deep digging in the sand. the sand from the outer ring of the hole will slip in the hole to fill it. the depth of the hole will decrease but the mouth of the hole will widen. this phynominon can occure in gases or in liquids states but not in solids.
RE Steve Smyth: On July 25th-26th around midnight, my wife, a friend, and myself saw a bright ball of light pop into the atmosphere in the NE and streak across the sky and then disappear in the SE sky. The tail stayed lit for what seemed like 2-3 minutes. This was no shooting star, this was big and long. I'm not a science kind of person, just like watching the night sky. We were at Tablerock Lake in Missouri. Somebody else surely had to see this.
Revelation 8:8-13.05
Then what happened will amaze you.
The angels had a fight with the angel next door. Trailer trash. And tossed ye giant angel turkey at the other angel. But missed. And hit the great planet instead, causing a great hole.

So that explains it. The hole was caused by a giant turkey.
 we werent watching the first time , the picture is great.and i didnt know Hale-bopp came every 4200 hundred years  thank you  any chance the jupitors pull may take them in,if by crazy chance man decides to play with the shorter orbit comets . checked out some of the pitures too life and or death of a galaxie   there are beautful.. i can close my eyes in wonder .
 4200 years thats 1 2 3 4  whats happening in 4200 hundred years anyway  JETSEN!!!!
What with all of the fine scientific geniuses we have wandering around the globe, I have to wonder how many of them have been trying to find a way to divert any such incoming devastation.
If a celestial body on the order of a comet or asteroid should strike the earth, it is conceivable that humanity could be wiped out. Possibly, a few might "survive", but how would they find food? It's not as if every Store 24 or Lil Peach or Tedeschi's Food Shops will still be there to help people out at 3 AM!
Once the "impactor" strikes, we are as good as done, and I'm not sure any of us wish to tolerate such a circumstance. We have to be ready to take positive action before this happens. There is no better time than the present to start formulating such plans! One thing is for sure: they will not be worked out overnight. This isn't the fantasy universe of the 24th century such as Star Trek: This is the reality of the universe as it is, today, and we must either begin to make plans, or be assured of our species going the way of the dinosaurs.
Is anyone open to suggestions on this idea?
The Earth, change the way it is moving?
Not likely in my lifetime, or yours. I will not stand around, holding my breath, waiting for such an impossibility to occur. You may do so if you wish, but why bother? Don't most of us have more important things to do in the meantime?
we are nothing, comparing the universe,this thousands of years we living on earth is not even one second of what`s really happening in the universe and the reality is that we are only temporary. we are only energy. jupiter is a small body living on space which any reaction can happen just like our body does "example" when you have allergies. anything can happen to those bodies on space. again we are energy the universe is energy, without energy nothing can be creat it. so jupiter had an energy reaction thankyou.
I'm surprised Allan hasn't mentioned what is going on in his own backyard.  Kitt Peak in Arizona has been hosting a search for these objects for years now. I took part in the online assistance for a time where you actually help search at home on your computer.  This is the only link I have. If you contact them you can find out more.

http://spacewatch.lpl.arizona.edu/index.html



[,,,] It is sad to see some one of working brain power I would think able to use a computer to make little of the opinion of others.I hope that you and many like you one day take time to learn the true in all things or are already of another power and can`t help reself at a moment like this.? Or maybe you do have some thought to add to this?! Interesting points made from Tanveer,those of us of the religous view have also come under disbelief over the flood story and many other issues that one whom put there faith in sci. alone seems to close there minds to the truths in the Holy books,big mistake yet at the same time take on a religous view there selfs.For this look at the polution problems here on the Earth all of great minds would say we need to do better at takeing care of our home or suffer really big on day,will the Bible also teaches that and many other things that has and will be discovered to be true Befor the end as is teached in all religons there will be wonders and shackings in the heavans.If one would read in Bible the end however is not the end but a being the book of revl.tells us of a wedding when Jesus comes to claim his true brid which is the the faithful body of the church,in that body this event is of no surprise nor will any of the others be,in this body is all truths and that hope that will be filled no matter what,read romans8:10-39 you`ll see what I mean.
My name is Lonna Michele Munoz/Breen and I believe that we are at the end of times for SURE and that it is showing it's self from the water to the skys and to the depths of the earths core. I also believe that there are shooting stars and then there are falling stars . I Believe that when the stars start falling from the sky is a enormouse sign of God's way of taking back what he once desighned
The extreme Infinitesimal amount of friction in space really will not change the direction of a comet or asteroid if it was able to it would be about as much as a person falling from a airplane without a Parachute changing  the direction of the earths rotation, so James, Sacramento, California, 95814 as the Astrophysics you might be, you actually may have your eyes closed to the way things have been from the none beginning and the never ending, in the infinite regions of what we call space.  Our lives like all organisms and virus’s that live, only live for one thing or reason, to live another day however possible.  So don’t fear the flying stars or balls of gases that probably made our existence possible in the first place.  We are all entitled to our own opinion and this is only mine and I respect yours. Logic will only work within yourself if you allow your mind to become free from the distraction of early law we now call religion????



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