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Next giant leap reconsidered

Posted: Friday, July 17, 2009 9:00 PM by Alan Boyle


NASA
Concept art shows what NASA's next-generation Altair lunar lander may look like.

At the same time that NASA is celebrating its biggest triumph - Apollo 11's first human landing on the moon, 40 years ago - the space agency is facing its biggest wave of uncertainty since the Apollo program ended.

The space shuttle era is winding down to its scheduled end next year, and the successor to the shuttle is facing a hail of questions over cost and safety. Five years after the Bush administration set a course back to the moon, the Obama administration hasn't yet decided whether it will stick to that course. NASA is just now getting a new leader after six months in limbo, and an independent panel is in the midst of assessing the options for the nation's future in space: Return to the moon? Target Mars or one of its moons instead? Land on an asteroid?

"I would say they're all in the mix," the panel's chairman, retired aerospace executive Norm Augustine, told reporters today, "and I wouldn't want to make a forecast one way or another."

Ever since astronauts went to the moon, NASA has never had the money to match its aspirations, he admitted. "That puts NASA in a terrible position," he said.

From decade to decade, presidents, lawmakers and members of the public voice strong support for space exploration. Just today, Gallup released a poll indicating that a gradually increasing number of Americans believe the space program has brought enough benefits to justify its costs. But does that translate into the political will to support a space initiative anywhere nearly as dramatic as Apollo, particularly when it's not clear what the initiative will turn out to be?

Augustine said it all "depends on how the question is asked sometimes."

To some people, the juxtaposition of glory on the moon and uncertainty on Earth may seem ironic - but not to John Logsdon, a space policy analyst and historian at the Smithsonian's National Air and Space Museum who also serves on the NASA Advisory Council.

"There was actually something similar that went on after Kennedy announced we were going to the moon," Logsdon recalled. "It took NASA nine months and lots of alternative designs to settle on what became the Saturn V."

The difference this time is that uncertainties surround not only the rockets being designed to get to the moon, but the White House commitment to the vision and the rationale for going there in the first place (OK, the second place).

Forty years ago, the main reason behind the space race was to keep the moon safe for democracy. "Only if the United States occupies a position of pre-eminence can we help decide whether this new ocean will be a sea of peace or a new, terrifying theater of war," President John Kennedy declared in 1962.

Today, military pre-eminence is still a key motivator for spaceflight - but primarily in Earth orbit, not on the moon. Various other reasons have been floated for lunar journeys, ranging from a reignited competition for international prestige to new opportunities for 21st-century science to future fusion fuel. But there are arguments for targeting other destinations as well, as well as for saving all that money and just sending robots out instead.

Over the next month and a half, it will be up to Augustine and his colleagues on the Review of U.S. Human Space Flight Plans Committee to sort all this out. By the end of August, the committee is to submit a list of options to NASA and the White House. The Obama administration will then have to move "rather quickly" to craft its own space vision in time to incorporate into its next budget request, Augustine told me.

Here's a quick rundown of the options that are "in the mix" for Augustine's panel, NASA and the White House:

Low Earth orbit
The first priority is to figure out how to continue supplying the space station after 2010, when the shuttle fleet is due for retirement. NASA is slowly working its way toward the first test flight of a prototype for the Ares I rocket that could fill that role when the shuttles are gone - but even under the best-case scenario, that rocket won't be ready for prime time until 2015 or so. Some say the delays and technical issues bedeveling Ares I are so serious that the project should be abandoned.

Logsdon said the debate goes back to 2005, when the Ares design was chosen from scores of proposed alternatives. "What we have been seeing since then are the 'losers' in that study complaining about the fact that their alternative was better than the one that was chosen," he said. "What's different is that there's enough uncertainty about Ares I to make their complaints credible."

Among the alternatives are the "sidemount shuttle" design that NASA itself is looking at as a Plan B; expendable rockets such as the Delta and Atlas, which would have to be certified as safe to carry humans; the DIRECT project championed by maverick engineers inside NASA; and low-cost, next-generation rockets such as the SpaceX Falcon 9 or the Orbital Taurus 2, which are in line for billions in NASA contracts but have fallen behind their development schedules.

Augustine said today that it's too early to count Ares out. "As far as our committee is concerned, it would be completely wrong to say that Ares is dead in the water," he said, adding that "we're looking at a whole bunch of possibilities."

Meanwhile, NASA is hedging its bets by making deals for Russian Soyuz and Progress flights to the station, but many in industry (and in Congress) aren't happy with letting America slide into a spaceflight gap that could last for five years or more. So yet another alternative would be to keep the shuttles in operation, at least for a while beyond 2010.

The bigger question focuses on what we want to do in low Earth orbit. This week some folks raised a huge fuss over NASA's stated plans for deorbiting the space station in 2016. Those plans were drawn up mostly to satisfy the requirements for space station operation, and it's likely that the space station's life will be extended as time goes on. It's also likely the ISS won't be the only game in town. Russia is already talking about building the next space station, and Bigelow Aerospace is working on private-sector stations.

Eventually, low Earth orbit could become a tourist destination, or a way station (and perhaps a fuel depot) for longer space journeys. Can the international space station serve those functions? Probably not. 

Back to the moon
The shuttle system has nowhere near the firepower required to get out of Earth orbit, so if NASA is going to target the moon (or other deep-space destinations), a big new rocket will be required in any case. Like the Ares I, the Ares V design that NASA has selected is based on adaptations of Saturn-era and shuttle technology. Another question is whether NASA's current long-range plan to build a settlement on the moon will still be deemed affordable, given the economic climate we're facing. There are some hints that a "lunar lite" concept, stressing Apollo-style sorties rather than Antarctic-style settlements, will be among the options under consideration. 

On to Mars (or its moons)
The most popular "minority report" on space exploration, endorsed by none other than Apollo 11 astronaut Buzz Aldrin, is to spend as little effort as possible on the moon and go directly to Mars. An even more sophisticated variant of this plan calls for creating a manned base first on one of Mars' asteroid-like moons, Phobos or Deimos, from which observations could be made and landers could be sent. The Russian-led mission to Phobos, called Phobos-Grunt, represents one small step in this direction. But manned Mars missions would be so complicated and costly that it no one nation could do it alone, and taking that giant of a leap would take far longer than returning to the moon. Aldrin, for example, has suggested a target date of 2031 for a manned Mars base.

Target an asteroid
Aldrin has suggested starting out with a simpler step: sending a manned mission to a near-Earth asteroid - for example, the asteroid Apophis, which may have a very small chance of hitting our planet someday. NASA experts have said that the Project Constellation system being developed for moon trips could be used as well to visit asteroids. Space rocks could provide scientific insight into the origins of the solar system, and some have argued they could provide valuable resources for life in outer space as well. But the biggest thing we need to find out about asteroids is how to keep them from killing us. If it does turn out that a big enough space rock is heading our way in, say, 30 years or so, that might well raise asteroid visits to the top of NASA's priority list.

Build a space base
Yet another option would be to build "flexible" space infrastructure in a place that could take travelers to any of these destinations - say, at one of Earth's gravitational balance points, also known as Lagrangian points. One of these points, L2, is already becoming a popular parking lot for costly space probes, and it's not hard to foresee a time when such stable regions of space could become settled neighborhoods. Before Aldrin's most recent focus on Mars, he favored building a "floating launching pad" for manned and unmanned missions at L1, a balance point between Earth and the moon.

Status quo
... Or we could just go with the status quo, which is actually none of the above. This would entail continuing with the uncertainty surrounding human spaceflight, and perhaps increasing the payoff from unmanned probes such as NASA's Mars rovers and the Lunar Reconnaissance Orbiter.

Augustine said the range of opinions being expressed about space policy is just as wide as it was when he presided over an earlier assessment of America's space goals, back in 1990.

"Then, as now, there are some extremely strong, almost passionately held views," he said. "We'll get one letter right after the other from prominent, qualified people - one which, for example, will say we need to start populating Mars immediately because there's a chance we're going to destroy our Earth. The next one will say we've got major problems of an economic nature in this country, and we shouldn't have a space program at all."

The latter view might suit critics of manned exploration such as University of Maryland physicist Robert Park. "The costs and risks are just too high," he was quoted as saying in USA Today's survey of future spaceflight. But it's just the kind of situation that Logsdon hopes Augustine's report will head off.

"The end point of this, I hope, is that after this process is done, we have a plan that is agreed to and can be stable for a period of time long enough so we can go on and execute it," Logsdon told me. "If we keep changing our mind every two or three years, we'll get nowhere."

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Complete waste of money, especially now.  Face reality people, we have serious problems right here.  
when it cost about $38,000 to take one gallon of water to the space station; I think it's time we stop all this cold for now. This country is in dept to the gills, people going hungry, millions without health care. Lets get this country back on it's feet first. Space will still be there. Use those billions on health care and the national debt. We have an obligation to US first.
Why do people still insist the moon landings in the 60s were real considering all the problems NASA faces with today's tech?
I remember watching the landings on TV as a 7 year old schoolboy. We didnt have a colour TV at home in those days. Mankind needs a challenge to make those vital moves forward. In WWII we saw the advent of the Jet Engine, Atomic Bomb among other things, the space race resulting from the cold war gave us satellites, a man on the moon and teflon coated ..!!

Surely the moon should be the stage 1 test of a vehicle to land and return from Mars. Mankind needs a challenge to take a giant leap forward. And if were bright we will make it an international mission, teh ISS has shown teh way

 
Maybe they can clean up some of the old satellite debris orbiting around the earth.
2012? Why would I even consider belief in a prophecy from a civilization that went extinct? They weren't aware of their own impending doom, how can they foretell ours? Just a thought...
At this juncture, we probably should keep the space shuttles going beyond 2010 as they are already there and have not reached their expected life span as yet. NASA should keep the space station going for as long as possible. Think of all the time and effort needed to build it. Why not get some use out of it? That's the reason the shuttles should keep going. In the meantime, NASA would be better focusing on pioneer exploration. Let commercial space ventures retread the same ground and establish permanent bases, perhaps partnering with NASA? Of course, all this costs money. If money is an obstacle(of course) I would maintain the current level of space presence with the shuttles and the station at least.  
The NASA budget costs each citizen in the US approximately $50 per year. The military budget costs $2000. I am convinced that the human race will not survive if we do not expand our civilization beyond our small fragile planet. IMHO, we have no other choice than to continue to fund an active space program.
From the sounds of it, nano tubes have came a long way, and the space elevator may be a possibility.    This would allow for inexpensive transportation to LEO.  

Second, if the objective is to get to the moon or Mars, why do we invest in sending a heavy lift transport to heft the entire thing into orbit.  Why wouldn't you send up smaller missions and assemble the vehicle in space.  Then you could leave the vehicle in orbit to use on other missions.  You could resupply and refuel in orbit.  Also you could test out new types of propultion and prep for the upcoming missions.  It could serve as a space station during off mission times.  No need to design for re-entry because existing technologies would provide transportation to and from the vehicle and resupply.
We need to start with the moon, because it is the easiest place in the solar system for us to learn how to live off-world. No one talks about this, but our first priority should be to learn how to inhabit places like the moon. If we can do this, then the rest of the solar system will be available to us, because places like the moon are everywhere we look.
Stop.  Wait.  Can we afford this at this time.  We are facing tremendous problems here on earth which should have priority over going to Mars, etc.  I'm for progress but I'm also an individual who has to live within a budget.  Dreams are fine, but we have to be realistic and live within our means.  Novel concept, isn't it.
No man has ever set foot on the moon! I seriously hope noone believes that tripe.
40 years later and we have some dirt and a couple of moon rocks that were brought back to earth. People are losing their homes and cannot get the healthcare they need because of lay offs and we want to keep spending billions in space travel. No wonder this country is f***ed
Wow! Such great idea's! Why aren't some of you involved in our current space program? Could it be because you're so ignorant of the actual fact's, don't understand physic's, and can barely find your way home from work? Thank God we have intelligent psople working on this and not listening to you. And some of you want to discontinue the space program altogether until our fossil fuel problem is solved, or our planet is totally 'green', or we solve the global warming problem? Come on! So you want our brightest astrophysicists of today to sit around twiddling their thumbs for the next 25 to 40 years? With no progress? So why would anyone want to ever go into astrophysics or aeronautics? Sure, then in 40 years, we could start off again where we were in 1965 and watch China or Russia while they are populating Mars and beyond. Use some common sense, people! If you have any!
Enough of the moon. Let us take care of all the human race on earth. We have not succeeded in feeding all the hungry population on earth and we want to spend billion going to other plant. It is like a greedy millionnair who will rather use is money for him/her self than to help his brother children at least to have a decent meal.
What of if their is life out there on those plant we are planning to explore. Are we going to elimate them all, use them as slaves, bring them to earth as tourists, intoxicated them with alchole, all acquire an unknown and uncurrable disease from them.
Why are people not asking nasa, how was it possible to go to the moon with old outdated technology but now it is not possible with how so advance technology. Prove me wrong.
The three Astronauts were JUST ASKED on Fox News if we should go back to the Moon. Know what their answer was??? NO GO TO MARS. I don't think ANYONE HAS EVER BEEN TO THE MOON. You are telling me back then we shot um up there in a tin can and they did it, BUT JAPAN CAN'T DO IT EVEN TODAY WITH ALL OUR MONEY THEY HAVE. They are going to fake a mission to Mars just like they faked the Moon landing. WAKE UP PEOPLE !!!!!
Exploring through manned missions should be sidelined while we continue to build our knowledge and technology. We can explore with probes and observation stations, develop reliable, efficient, faster extra-planetary transportation technologies and move to the future we all know is inevitable. There should come a time when we can be very good at this space stuff.

In the meantime, we have to come to accept and acknowledge that manned space flight right now is exceptionally expensive, patently risky and more of an ego boost than it is practical.

Let's learn, let's research. Tomorrow's discoveries and technological developments will make for a better manned space program.
NASA proably needs an alternative fuel chlorphine for shuttles
Every planet has volcanic activity by nature. To have a habitat modual sent to a planet would be costly and dangerous.
My idea is to install instruments that can detect viable volcanic tubes that can be sealed from outside environment.
Solar power can be piped underground to operate oxygen generation and lighting for farming foodstuff.
I would call these habitat volcanic tubes ( Volcanic Cities ). Almost any planet can be collonised for permanent stay.
National Geographic Channel RE behind the scenes view of the Early Space Race days...running right now with the capture of von Braun.
In one scene he smartly answers his US captors with, "Does that mean the war is my fault? Every day orders to kill thousands of people are transmitted over the phone. Do you blame Alexander Graham Bell?"
Does anyone know if he actually said that?
Looks like a great show, by the way...
What a waste of money! Can't we finish screwing this planet up before we start to destroy another one? With all the billions wasted on this, we could have paid down the national debt and maybe we would not be in the mess we are in now. The international space station is a HUGE waste of money!!!!
What better time then now to beef up NASA. Why not push some of the stimulus dollars to Space exploration. We could create 1000's of good paying jobs , designing and building the next generation. The auto industry has a lot of infrastructure that with enough funding could be converted to build a new shuttle, rockets, a space station etc. Why not commit an extra 10 or 15 billion to NASA over the next three years and see results maybe by 2012.
WHY do we NEED to go up there anyway? Lost lives to do what?
Every launch spews thousands of tons of pollution and is just wasteing millions of dollars.
These space exploration right now is luxury. Let’s face the real day today life. Thousands of people losing job so let's not waste our money in doing research in moon , mars or sun or whatever. The government should cut the budget for NASA. NO EXPERIMENT and NO LAUNCH until our economy improves. NO WASTE MONEY. ALL USELESS right now.
we have to surely RECONSIDER spending money for NASA experiments.
America is the greatest country in the history of civilizations. We have done more since our independence from kings than any other country in history. I do not understand why we are not making a better, faster, more efficient, more powerful shuttle. Its not broken, why fix it, just make it better than the other guys. If we stop NASA we will be making a huge mistake. I wish that people would use common sense now days especialy those public servants with all the money. America needs to get agressive about space and leave the others in the dust again. Come on President Obama. We still have the power, USE IT!
During this time of economic crisis, these accomplishments are not a physical thing. They are only great memories. The physical damage that can be avoided by diverting some of the space program budget into domestic programs is more improtant than great memories. Jobs Schmobs, these are smart people, they can find work elsewhere.

Regardless of the advancements we have as a result of space travel.  All this coverage is BS.  in the current economic climaite we are in, this is a PR blitz for NASA to guard their budget in a time when we should take a break from the space program and cut mopst of NASAs programs back alltogether until we get this country back on an even financial keel.

Yes, some of the advancements and technologies we have today (and are being worked on for tomorrow) are fantastic and groundbreaking; but now is not the time.  We have more imprtant issues in this country and NASA programs should be near THE BOTTOM of the list.  There is nothing you could write about any groundbreaking widget that has come out of NASA or the space program that can make me think otherwise.

Seems like the politicians are willing to dump a trillion or 2 in dubious "stimulus / bailout" programs, that are failing to produce jobs or stimulate the economy, while at the same time debating whether we can afford to fund NASA.  I believce at it's peak, NASA employed over 400 thousand people.  
Why not stear a chunck of the unspent stimulus to NASA and really go big on the moon / asteroid / Mars missions?  How many jobs would that create?  And we would actually get a return on the investment in spin off technology, science and research, and who knows, maybe even resources from an asteroid.
Two words:  Space Elevator.  We gotta make getting into low orbit and back down easy, cheap and fast.  Once you get that going you then can build ships, etc. in space as well as mine bodies in space and bring the materials down to Earth.  Getting to and from low Earth orbit is key.  Lets get it built!
The only thing that NASA should be doing is figuring out how to protect us from collisions with asteriods and comets. It's a little stupid to look for water on Mars when we could be wiped out on earth.
Why are we spending our tax dollars here instead of where they are needed in programs like Medicaid, Medicare, Food Stamps, Low Income Housing, etc.?  Those are good, decent, worthwhile programs.  Space should be a private venture instead of receiving governmental aid status.  Space should be privately owned.  If the phone company needs to send a satellite up, they pay the private company as if you were to buy a bus ticket to some town five states away.  The private company would then send the satellite up.  I fail to see what sending people up into space actually does to benefit us.  
40 years ago we landed on the moon. Since then NASA has gone nowhere! They pulled the plug on the working saturn, spent more money developing the space shuttle (it was going to save us money, remember?) than the entire appolo program. End result? 14 astronauts lost, no saturn, and no shuttle, and have to hitch rides on russian rockets. We were better off in 1960!

Starting in 1960, with little more than improved v-2s, the US managed to develop the technology and hardware necessary to go to the moon in less than 10 years. Today, with all of our advanced technology, we couldn't do it in 20 - if at all.

NASA needs to get off its ass! Stop wasting time on pipe dreams and go back to what worked! Instead of spending development money for things we already have, (the Saturn Rocket and the Appolo spacecraft and lander), spend development money where it will do the most good -  LESA and the X-20 minishuttle!




Looks like a bunch of academics on this board - SCRAP NASA AND GO PRIVATE - what has space done for us - name a genuine product, cancer agent, discovery (A REAL ONE, NOT SOME BS ABOUT BLAH BLAH BLAH). THIS IS THE SAME GROUP THAT COSTS 1000 TIMES MORE THAN A PRIVATE GROUP CAN GET INTO SPACE, AND THEY STILL HAVE FLIPPIN "INSULATION" THAT FALLS OFF EVERY LIFT-OFF.  PROVES AGAIN, EVEN WITH THE SMARTEST MINDS AND UNLIMITED FUNDS - OUR GOVT STILL CANNOT DO ANYTHING RIGHT - I TOO WOULD LOVE TO GET PAID TO LOOK AT THE STARS ALL NIGHT AND EXPLORE - IF THIS WAS A PRIVATE GROUP, THIS WOULD BE SHUT DOWN BY NOW DUE TO NO BENEFIT FOR THE COST ASSOCIATED.  PUBLISH ACTUAL "REAL" DISCOVERIES AND THE TOTAL COST TO DATE FOR EVERYONE TO SEE.  WHAT  A JOKE.
The Obama Administration will waffle about on the issues until they can figure out what the public desire is - then they will support whatever is the popular opinion and say they were the ones that had that very agenda since day one.  What about mars?
The simple fact is that if we humans wish to survive and progress, we must get off this planet.  Too many resources are on the verge of depletion.  Maybe not tomorrow, but by a time that is closer than I think most of us believe.  It will take decades if not centuries to make it "routine" enough to work to save ourselves.  If we plan to keep throwing it off for some future generation to tackle, it will quickly become too late.  It makes sense to start sooner and take it slower than to have to start a crash program later.
How about settling for several of the above options? We could have robots build a base and solar farms on the moon, build a new space station WITH ARTIFICIAL GRAVITY at L2, land on an asteroid AND THEN go to Mars. It seems all of these things are necessary for progress in human space exploration. Why aim low when the rewards are so great if we aim higher?
In these tough times we need missions to the Moon, missions to Mars, and beyond because things like this are real moral boosters and I think this country is in bad need of a boost in moral.
Hmm. They need to figure out the issue of damage to the shuttle on EVERY launch before they do anything new.  Otherwise having a 99% mission failure rate before the shuttle reaches space is not going to help any causes.  
Instead of getting into wars, America should throw all its spare resources into space exploration.  Robots should be used to do this since it may be too risky to send humans into space for lengthy periods.  I would like to know if there is life elsewhere in the universe.
Honestly people what is the value in NASA. Return on investment is what? Satellite placement and maintenence is surely needed and perhaps there are other excellent reasons I am overlooking but the tax dollars spent is huge. Can anyone provide numbers on dollars spent and what value is transferred back to the taxpayer. Is NASA funded any other way?
The major problem is that anything good that works becomes classified. AKA buried, no#1 anti-gravity does in fact function, the actuall technology is classified. the non-classifeid anti-gravity is a $20.00 dollar toy. and also is the fact an electric engine takes 250,000 horse power to reach earth orbit.you use piggy back engines as one uses power the other creates you need a 2 to 1 ratio as you lose .5 due to friction. also the fastest propultion drives which are scram jet technology and also ion drives. the fasteset is anti-matter drives while in space. another faster much faster drive is better feul wise is in fact an atomic drive which focuses an atomic explosion out the back of a contianer that can't be destoryed by the blast which is your exotic metals. even magnetic containment that pushes the energy only in one direction. only our own excuces stop us from doing any of these even fusion drives using the technology avialible now does function but our excuses which are many. I know scientist that have had things function. Uncluding an anti-gravity drive that would make trips to the nearest star possible today it would take many pages to explain, every star has a pull from those around it in between stars theres a place where that pull is stronger. the drive can create a bottle-neck which would propel it forward. going the speed of light a as simple as taking an object and riding the lights friquency. you need to create an anti-gravity field so you don't die trying this the anti-gravity field cancels out the g-forces. I know how to build such a drive. everything that really works becomes classified aka buried. watch what would happen if i where to build a drive for less then 1,000 dollars at home and attempted to fly it. the reason why all this is fring science is if you actually do these things people will come by and kill you or threaten you or some other way to silence you. people will laugh all they want but the day they try it they won't be laughing at all. this might not even make it to be read.
Since it has become oblivious America can no longer build automobiles, why not build a new spacecraft. Now dose that strike anyone else as being a strange observation?
I'm just a guy from Idaho with only a high school education, so don't ask me about the science of it. But, from my point of view, space exploration isn't so much about advancing technology, as it is about advancing the human experience. A large part of what makes us what we are is the ability to dream and then find a way to turn our dreams into reality. Otherwise, men like Christopher Columbus, Magellan, Byrd, and Armstrong would never have been remembered. They would have been farmers or cobblers or something "more practical". Along with the explorers, there have always been people with money behind them, to finance them. Human beings will find a way to get back to the moon, on to Mars and beyond because it is our nature. We will find the money, and there will always be willing explorers ready for the risk, challenge and glory. Some will say that there are only "emotional arguments" for man visiting space and that robots can do the job just fine. Those people are correct. So, thank God for emotions. Without the human experience of actually going and exploring...without the emotion, what is the point? The emotion, the excitement, and the human experience has been the primary reason, and should continue to be the primary reason for exploration. Exploration brings out the very best qualities in mankind. It rekindles the excitement of being human, and shows us the way for each of us to be explorers in our own way in and day to day lives. Space exploration is necessary, and it will continue, because human beings will always reach for the horizon. Space is our horizon at this point in human history. Embrace it! If our ancestors hadn't had the drive, curiosity and courage to take a chance on "falling off the edge of the world", we would still be living in caves.
The only way robots will discover life on Mars is if humans are physically there to guide them. I agree that unmanning the space program has a lot of cost and technical advantages, but for the biggest questions we need humans out there and on the ground.

Those people who think most/all NASA programs should be terminated due to the current economic conditions aren't thinking long-term. If we don't keep an "Open Space" mentality then every man, woman and child is your enemy as an ever-increasing population tries to carve out their slice of a quickly diminishing resource pool.

I hope NASA can be transformed into a steward of (not the only solution to) public and private space enterprise. The new NASA should do away with cost-plus contracting, earmark more funding for more X-prizes and generally concede more liberty, freedom and power to the private spacecraft developer.
We NEED to explore space, it's part of the human condition to NEED to explore, to grow and to expand.

In addition to the technological breakthroughs the space program has developed for the benifit of all to use, (i.e. the computer, GPS, new building materials such as carbon fiber, etc.), the space program inspires new generations to push technological limits to create sceintific breakthroughs.

Only a dimly lit aging congressperson like Barney Frank would not see the benifit of manned space exploration to human kind. A scowling Barney Frank recently said that we should stop manned space exploration. Mr. Frank is quite a visionary.
As much as I like the idea of sending people to Mars I would think it would be more prudent to start with sending machines to pave the way.

We need to develop machines that can build the habitats and infrastructures that will be required by humans. Let machines do the heavy, dangerous work, and THEN send humans.

I mean it would be great if we could simply send a few humans to build an outpost, set up resource extraction, etc. but it sounds like a waste of time and money to have a small group of people struggle to do something that could be automated for much cheaper.

In the end, yes I believe we need to push beyond the safety of our troubled planet. But we better start the process out correctly and thoroughly to avoid any more 40 year slumps.

Anyone familiar with space and biology realizes the huge reasons why manned spaceflight has been kept to LEO. We have not developed technologically enough to shield human occupants from the radiation that fills space and bombards the moon or Mars.  Sending humans out past LEO for any significant period of time is literally sentencing them to death.

Once this concept is presented to the masses, the reactions generally fall into denial or a sense of hopelessness.  This is unfortunate.  Most space advocates, despite their knowledge, are in denial.  They talk about their plans and the magnitude of the radiation problem is never quite accepted. The rest simply see the problem as a reason to shelve manned space exploration and either advocate robotic exploration or focusing on the Earth.

As a proponent of manned exploration, I advocate a total dedication to R&D and the funding necessary to start developing technologies that mitigate and actually constructively use this massive radiation that exists in space. Human shielding is an absolute must.  Colonies on Mars or the moon simply cannot yet be until we improve our technological prowess in blocking/intercepting gamma and cosmic level radiation. It may seem daunting, but so was the entire Apollo program.

This is what needs to be worked on. If no funding and R&D fires are lit in this advanced physics venue, there will be no workable plans, no successful colonies and man will be chained to the Earth for as long as this key R&D is put off.

It's all fine to wish more folks had "the right stuff" in regards to exploring space, but the space advocates better get their voices and priorities in order and the very first thing on the agenda is an "Apollo" type program for developing, understanding and mitigating high level radiation.

Best regards and keep up the good work!
Our sun will swell up, consume the Earth and then shrink to nothing in 5 billion years.  We're likely to be wiped out by a large meteor/NEO far sooner than that.  I say the short term goal should be to defend this lifeboat from meteors first, with the long-term goal of a Noah's Ark platform that is sustainable for thousands of years in space on its own.  If we can't manufacture our own food and gravity while combating solar radiation, we'll never make it anywhere but the moon.  We won't even have the time to master these skills if Apophis wipes us all out in 2029 or 2036 (http://neo.jpl.nasa.gov/risk).  Barring a gamma-ray burst from the center of the Milky Way, I think we'll survive the 2012 History Channel Doomsday.  Fascinating program, but not on my Top 10 Galactic Boogeyman List.  Not that we could stop it now or flee from it anyways...

There's so much more Physics to be learned before we should even CARE about setting foot on that CO2-choked iron bag we call Mars.  Useless.  Defend Earth from what wiped out the dinosaurs only 65 million years ago or nothing else will even matter to any of us.  B612.org!!!

And thank you, Mr. Aldrin, for punching out that wacko that thought the moon landing was a hoax.  Good stuff.
As we give up Space so too do we give up our collective imagination as a nation. America is growing fat and indulgent in it's desires and they're all very solidly focused on short term pleasures and not the greater development as a country or species.
get a "working toilet", not one that "craps-out" in a few months or put the astronauts in diapers for the whole trip.
chemical fuel propulsion isn't the planetary exploration answer either.
go back and read some of the "science fiction" books and develop those technologies. what we're doing now is like having a 'earthen fire pit' to cook our food on
Buzz Lightyear, I believe that we had to destroy the blueprints to the Saturn V for one of the treaties that we made with the Soviet Union.  Doesn't seem very wise at the moment to me...


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