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Is nature one mean mother?

Posted: Wednesday, May 06, 2009 6:23 PM by Alan Boyle


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A color-coded image from NASA's Aqua satellite
shows levels of outgoing long-wave radiation
during the deadly European heat wave of 2003.

Swine flu? Global warming? Toxic oceans? Why does Mother Nature sometimes seem to be on the attack? According to the decades-old "Gaia hypothesis," it's because Earth is a self-regulating system that is responding to our own excesses. In a new book titled "The Vanishing Face of Gaia," British biologist James Lovelock says humanity is "Earth's infection."

"Individuals occasionally suffer a disease called polycythaemia, an overpopulation of red blood cells. By analogy, Gaia's illness could be called polyanthroponemia, where humans overpopulate until they do more harm than good," Lovelock writes. He says the cure won't come until the human tribe is trimmed back from its current 6.8 billion to, say, 1 billion people.

Now University of Washington paleontologist Peter Ward has proposed an alternate theory that suggests Earth is set up to kill off life when it spreads too widely. Humans wouldn't be the first victims of this periodic biocide. The dinosaurs may have been killed off by an asteroid, he says, but during the planet's other mass extinctions, millions of species were done in by good old Mom.

"I hypothesize that life and its processes, together often referred to as 'Mother Nature,' was, is, and will be anything but a good mother to her many evolved and evolving species," Ward contends in his new book, "The Medea Hypothesis."

Gaia vs. Medea ... that sounds like the start of a philosophical catfight.

Ward, however, says he's not just trying to pick a fight with the 90-year-old Lovelock. "Most every scientist is trying to 'pick a fight' with another scientist," he told me today. "We try to do it in a collegial fashion. ... I'm trying to do science, but I'm also trying to point out that there has never been opposition in a formal sense - it's been Gaia, Gaia, nothing but Gaia."

Actually, Ward agrees with Lovelock that the world is facing an increasingly imminent crisis over climate change. The sharp rise in global average temperatures seems certain to lead to an unstoppable rise in sea levels that will change our coastlines, cities and croplands, Ward said. (He'll address this subject in depth, so to speak, in his next book, "The Flooded Earth.")

"The short term is a nasty, nasty situation," Ward said. "Where we differ is in his sense that if humans would somehow go away, there would be this natural, pristine world."

The way Ward sees it, we're the solution, not the problem. "In the short term, we are responsible for 'Medean' effects, but it's going to be our long-term stewardship and engineering that makes things work," he said. "I view humans as the only Gaians on the planet. Everything else is Medean."

While Lovelock uses "Gaia" to refer to Earth's biosphere as a kindly mother goddess, Ward uses "Medea" as a reference to the mother in Greek myth who killed her own children. Ward says life, like Medea, eventually sows the seeds of its own near-destruction - over and over again. "Life boils up and bubbles up, and through its own waste products and activities makes the planet no longer inhabitable," he said.

Medea's weapon of choice is the interaction between the atmosphere, oceans and land, Ward said. For years, he has contended that climate set off history's biggest-ever die-off, the Permian-Triassic extinction that occurred 250 million years ago.

Ward's "rotten-eggstinction" scenario begins with a shift in climate that sparks blooms of sulfur-loving microbes in the world's oceans. Their belches of hydrogen sulfide - the gas commonly associated with rotten eggs - triggers a sequence of events that end with a global poisoning of marine and land species. (This scenario is detailed in Ward's previous book, "Under a Green Sky.")

In "The Medea Hypothesis," Ward sketches out similar biocidal scenarios for other extinction events. He goes with the conventional wisdom that a huge asteroid touched off the Cretaceous-Tertiary extinction that killed off the dinosaurs, but says continent-spanning forest fires most likely sparked a global winter that finished the job. Thus, he writes, "it could be argued that the effects of life magnified the extent of the extinction."

The current swine-flu outbreak may not come anywhere close to these past bio-crises, but it does demonstrate that Mother Nature can have some nasty surprises in store. "This is another case showing that evolution works really quickly on microbes," Ward said. "It also underscores the fact that microbes are our biggest enemy on Earth."

Today, there are fresh signs of a rotten-egg uprising, such as a recent eruption of hydrogen sulfide off the coast of Namibia. And it's not just Namibia: Ward pointed to research conducted in the waters of Washington state's Commencement Bay, where high sulfide concentrations are hammering marine seagrass.

"It may be we are just starting to see the first effects of this poisoning of seagrass," he said. And that's just the first link in the chain. "Seagrass is where the herring breed," Ward noted.

So what is to be done? Ward says humans will have to engineer new ways to cope with a mad mother - for example, to counter rising carbon dioxide levels in the short run. By the way, Ward defines the "short run" as lasting more than 3,000 years. (What did you expect? He's a paleontologist, not a stockbroker.)

In the long run, over the course of many, many thousands of years, "the engineering challenge will be getting carbon back into the atmosphere," Ward writes in his book's final chapter:

"Even with an enlarging sun, the long-term drop in CO2 as it is put into storage within contenental rock poses the most significant threat to planetary biomass. No plants means no oxygen, so we will require ever present efforts to move carbon from limestones and other continental rocks back into the atmosphere. This is relatively simple, as we know now - burn hydrocarbons. But as these will ultimately be used up, some kind of heating of limestones on a massive scale will do the trick."

By that time, won't we be moving on (and despoiling) a new home in outer space? "That may not be an option," Ward told me. In his view, the costs and distances involved in moving outward from the solar system - or even terraforming the moon or Mars - just don't seem worth the effort.

On this point, Ward and Lovelock seem to agree: Whether she's good or bad, we're pretty much stuck with the mother we were born with.

"The only 'out' is intelligence," Ward said. "Our intelligence is the only way that we can extend the longevity of the biosphere."

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The obvious solution is to reduce population growth! That would alleviate a lot of social and environmental problems.
Lovelock is a lost soul...howling onto the darkness.
Gaia Two blows all other Hypotheses away.
Anthropogenic Environments...cocoons are the way...surround Earth with a bubble...Obama likes the idea.
The minute these clowns started with the Humans are a blight on the face of the Earth caca, they lost all relevance.
I'll go toe to toe for nature with any man alive, but until we get it through our noggins that WE ARE NATURE...we are screwed.
Earth as we will fondly remember her has paid out.
Now we gotta figger out what to do with all six billion of us...unless the fuzzy eared newt really is more important than us...to us.
HMMMM!!!!

http://theenvironmentgame.blogspot.com/
i say we start the eradication now!! take out everyone but me and all the pretty women, i dont mind repopulating the earth. its the least i could do for ya'll!!
It always amazes how smart people can be so narrow visioned.  Earth can support us humans because of tectonics...no earth quakes, no people.  Humans exist because of the evolution capability of simple cell entities....no bacteria, algae, or viruses no scientists.  Humans exist because life is so adaptable...no meteor dinosaurs would still rule the world.  We humans can only think short term and have this concept that we really are important.  But the universe has been changing for 13 Billion years and will continue to change whether humans existed or not.  The entire discussion by both scientists is completely irrelevant.  
Gee, it seems that the best we can hope for is to be reincarnated as cockroaches, then our survival is pretty much guaranteed.  This is just what we need, more climate crap from the uninformed.  Boy I hope the killer astroid gets here soon to knock some sense into Gaia.
As Suzanna said, "the obvious solution is to reduce population growth! That would alleviate a lot of social and environmental problems."  Unfortunately, many people do not like even thinking about this sort of thing.  When things get bad enough, they may be forced to re-evaluate the position that reproduction is a fundamental right that cannot be infringed.  Yet, we ought not wait until things get that bad.  We ought to start controlling the growth of the human population now.
Honestly, you give someone a PhD and they feel an obligation to publish something ridiculous -- he might as well argue that because it often rains when lots of people are seen with umbrellas, umbrellas cause rain.

(I feel a blog coming on if I can get the book from the library.)
There is actually quite a bit of science behind Ward's theory -- not just "bad humans must die".  Any species that goes beyond a certain marker of sustainability is likely to have a die off at some point -- as a matter of fact, there has never been a species that has avoided this truth, and I don't think we humans will be the first (although unfortunately it looks like we will be taking down many, many "innocent" species in the process).  We like to think we are smart, but as a group, we're pretty stupid.  We keep driving big cars, living in big houses, overfishing the oceans, overfertilizing the land, overpopulating the planet, and we keep burning CO2 into the atmosphere.  The planet is going to warm way up, flooding, droughts and starvation will follow (along with the requisite and associated wars), and then we'll have a pretty significant dieback.  Then and only then do I believe we'll get the lesson.  And it is possible that by the time we  actually do get the lesson, it will be too late for us humans.  (Yes, we too could go extinct at some point, especially if we pull a few too many threads out of the food, climate, and/or biodiversity chains -- we're actually playing with fire at a massive scale in these areas and we just keep hoping we somehow don't get burned.  Stephen Hawking, a pretty smart cookie, gives us less than 1,000 years.)  But, on the positive side, I'm a big believer that life will rebound, even if we humans don't.  There will be yet another "alpha" species after we are gone -- would be really neat to see this place in a million years when we are just a memory (if we are even remembered then.)
Whatever is to come belong to those who will stay... survivors!
Whatever is happening now belong to those who cannot live forever...humans!
So it will go as we grow...death is life's only sure.
The answers to these questions are in the ecology of the Earth.  Earth's ecosystems are the natural state of man's only home and provide mankind with all his lifelines to existence.  Ecosystems and their biodiversity or species of native animals and plants, regulate the climate; release oxygen; balance the gaseous composition of the atmosphere; support and govern the nitrogen and carbon cycles; circulate vital nutrients; sequester C02 and are C02 sinkholes, disperse seeds, support the hydrological system, check and balance 99% of all pests and check and balance disease pathogens in the food chain with mankind that cause global pandemics like influenza.  And, this is a short list of "ecosystem services".

Mankind needs to ask himself if cities, shopping malls, freeways, parking lots, windmills, solar panels, burger joints, oil fields, and houses perform any of these life-gifting services, all constructed from dead planet?  Ecologically astute scientists compare the destructions of ecosystems as man behaving, "suicidal", and the extinctions of the Earth's biodiversity, the living, life-giving components of an ecosystem, as a threat to civilization, second only to thermonuclear war.

Can man eat, drink and breathe an atm machine or dollar bill.  "In wildness is the salvation..."
Limit the amount or duration of welfare benefits without sterilization.  A fine place to start.  Felons next?  Maybe that's backwards.
I'm so glad to read that others believe that the earth is a living organism.  There are too many people and the earth is doing its best to get rid of the excess.  People need to stop breeding!!!!!!!!!!
It was painful for me to read this quote: "I view humans as the only Gaians on the planet. Everything else is Medean." That notion is absolutely absurd. Perhaps I am interpreting it wrong, but does it not say this - All life is self destructive with the exception of humans, we are the only ones who want to save ourselves? I think we need to change the perception of how we view ourselves. We are not divine creatures or any more or less important. Humans are conscious, yes, and we are aware of what we think we are doing. Of course we want to survive. But just the thought that we can change things does not mean that we are the only ones doing this. Every god damn form of life is trying to survive and is as much a gaian and a median. Anaerobic blue green algae ridding of oxygen, etc. We may "rank" high up in dominant life during the current time period much like trilobites did in the Cambrian, but just because we think we have the intelligence to stop what has been going on for 4 billion years doesn't mean we are going to. Life changes the biosphere, the biosphere changes life, the lithosphere changes life, life changes the lithosphere, the lithosphere changes the biosphere, etc. Everything is connected and operates together. We can manhandle the environment we live in to be comfortable for only so long because there is the rest of the life on this planet doing the same thing.  I'll read this because im sure its more than what is presented in the brevity of this article, but boo to that one quote. The human race has quite the ego.
Well, we started with a sensible comment, from Australia.  Imagine that, people who actually live in nature.  Don't get me wrong, I know there are very large cities there, but as much of the very large, relatively unpopulated country depends on the land, we can see some common sense in the public psyche...  Plain and simple, as Suzanne put it, all there is to it would be to reduce the human population.
Now I can agree with Steve, in the fact that humans fail to recognize they are part of nature that is the main of the problem.  We can go back to Genesis and see this spread in our Western mentality; god tells us that we are stewards over the whole works.  I’m not big on following Biblical teachings as a blueprint for life (Buddhist myself), but it seems there is a huge misinterpretation of what the word “steward” means, I don’t believe it involves rape in any dictionary I read.  Not to mention I don’t know how to translate the original Hebrew, and I know most of you don’t either.  Hats off to those that do.
But really, humans are blight on the face of the earth.  This is because we still think like animals (food first, then procreation, then shelter), but we have the technology/generational experience, to usurp all other life in pursuit of same.  In other words, there are no checks and balances in our use of the earth (except war), as opposed to other life forms.  I should qualify that statement, there are checks and balances, and we can make it uninhabitable for our form of life.
Look at the folks you work with every day.  They aren’t stupid.  But the first thing they will vote with is their stomach, and then their gonads.  It is what we are designed to do.  So if there is a resource, we will exploit it, because most are hungry (by hungry, I don’t mean just food, I mean greed, or other kinds of want) enough to.  Without caring about or knowing the consequences.  If you use disposable products for convenience, isn’t that what you are doing?  It’s easier.  Now multiply your abuse by billions.  I don’t see other members of the primate family using Swiffer mops.  I suppose in some lab somewhere, there is an Anthropologist trying to teach them how.  (Yes, my degree is in Anthropology, though most of my work has been Genetics/Molecular Biology).
Now in the above article, I can appreciate that humans can be part of the solution also.  It is really the only way for us.  But I’m not too optimistic, and it doesn’t really matter.  Life will continue without us, just like all the other mass extinctions.  Then the next intelligent race that develops will have our ruins and records to learn from.  Maybe they won’t be so stupid, having us to point at as idiots.
What is not compared, to maybe other die offs, is that now the planet is forced to deal with the incredible ecological footprint of 6.8 billion humans, which in this highly technical world and 'no place inaccessable, is of considerable influence. And greed is probably the biggest denominator of this influence. Population reduction is the most effective solution, but how and humanely can that be done other than NATURE taking the lead?
The real environment is by definition the entire physical universe as it exists right at this instant. We are part of it and it all of us. It is constantly in flux and change over time. The subjective environment as described by any intersted person is the periodic observations of a very narrow slice of this real environment mixed with personal ideas of cause and effect. An environmental theory is the consolidation of numerous subjective environments and acceptance by a society. A politicized environment is where the society is deluded into thinking that their particular theory about the environment is the real environment. We ultimately do not really understand or control the flux and change in the real environment but we certainly do need to feel that we do control it or at least understand it.
"Even with an enlarging sun, uhhh, doesn't anyone have a problem with this time scale?  Millions, vs thousands, vs generation.  Come on people, have some darn knowledge and cut the crap.
talk about stupid theories from supposedly intelligent people......I happen to believe God's creation is continuing as He planned.
All I can tell you for now is that Mother Nature is neither kind nor cruel. But she is! ABSOLUTE.

All you can do is try and understand her ways and work with her. Or stay out of her way or she will destroy you...

Jacksmith – Working Class
The biggest problem with man is that he has a short term memory. We don't see past the immediate future. We have a short lifespan and we don't care about what happens past the majority of it. We don't realize the consequences of our actions until it's too late. And when we do and it's time to act, we react in crisis mode. Things have to be done fast and now. But can we learn a lesson to act more responsibly in the future? Look at how many wars have been fought - Those who don't heed history are doomed to repeat it. We are a relativly young species on planet earth and we are supposedly "intelligent" but it's remains to be seen. When we can live on the planet with out destroying it and living with nature and realizing that we are apart of this living planet (not seperate from it) is when we will be the dominate species living here.

Time will tell our future but will we still be around to realize it? I all probability the answer will be no.
Reducing human population though can alleviate a lot of social and environmental problems, but it cannot  totally avoid the mass extinction from happening. Although today we have state of the art technology and intelligent brains, still a lot of mysteries regarding the origin of the universe... remain unknown. In order to live forever in this earth we should find out all the mysteries of the universe, where there are no more we call "disaster/natural phenomena" only we are able to aviod from mass extinction. if not we will be extinct one day, then other species may develop and control this earth.
Let's work to shrink the population. Get humans down to a height of a foot or less and consumption and waste will shrink as well, at least for a while. Plus, fishing and hunting would become very interesting.
We are on this earth for a short time and should try to leave it better than we were brought into it. The only problem I see is we control so little as individuals.
I have no doubt that one day there will be a mass "culling" of the human race. Whether it is through the actions of the "Conscious Life Force of the Earth" or through our own stupidity, I cannot say.  

I do not feel we need to wait for Mother Earth to stop us. Through our own stupidity we are creating the SUPER BUGS that we will not be able to stop. Top on the list is the misuse of antibiotics. Then we have the TINKERERS who will create something really bad through their own CURIOSITY or through their own HATRED.  

I agree that controlling the population is a major part of the answer but the problem is actually doing it. The Chinese are trying but they keep getting CRAP from all the Holier Than Thou people!

The people that really bother me are the religious people who truly believe that we should have as many babies as possible because it is GODS will.  "If god did not want us to have so many people, god would not let us have so many people." This goes right along with "If god did not want us to release this BIOLOGICAL WEAPON, god would not let us release it." (time check 11:58z)
Have any of you ever heard of Thomas Malthus? In a nutshell, any population will continue to expand until its environment can no longer support growth. Check Wikipedia.
A million years isn't long geologically; unless humans kill themselves off or leave, we could easily survive much longer than that in the ordinary scheme of things.

There's no reason why terraforming Mars, Venus, maybe even moving Mercury and the jovian moons to better neighborhoods and modifying them. Plus satellitic and asteroidal colonies using Coriolis instead of gravity. And even interstellar flight isn't flat-out impossible, just takes a long time. Plenty of scientists in the disciplines involved have pointed out the resources in the outer solar system to accomplish terraforming are plentiful, and once you're out of Terra's gravity well, you're halfway to anywhere.

 Gaia or Medea, we need to get our claustrophobic species off this egg basket and into the solar system where we live. Then earth can start to heal.
humans are the only thing on this planet that dont live in harmoney with nature. we destroy are planet almost every other living thing has a purpose here. hum coincidince dont think so we are the plauge that will destroy are home
God save us from engineers!
It is extrememly hard to hope that mankind  will learn that if our species is to have any hope of survival that we need to take a lesson from the other life forms, that being harmony.  We continue to rape the earth in the name of progress. Housing developments being producing using strip-mining techniques to maximize profits per square in. Everyone failing to take that hard first step to stop polluting the air, water, and the soil itself.  Hawking is an optimist.  Yes, mankind is at the top; the top predator and the top killer.
Peter Ward also wrote "The Sixth Extinction", which sent him into a profound depression after he read what he wrote, so take his pronouncements with a grain of salt.  Lovelock stole his Gaia hypothesis from someone else back in the 1970s; sorry, for the life of me I don't remember right now who it was, he just got more publicity out of it than the original thinker did. Between the two of them, Ward and Lovelock have been on a "doom on you" binge for a while.  I would rather spend my time reading "The Outermost House" by Henry Beston, which was originally published in 1928 and recently reissued.  It's about his year on the arm of Cape Cod, observing the force of nature at work -- the Atlantic, the dunes, the storms, the wildife.  It offsets the direness of Ward's writings and Lovelock's ridiculous ego-massaging.
Not one specialist in any field has even once speculated on the actual fate or destiny of the human part of the primate family -- to get off this planet and explore and colonize other worlds, and evolve into new lifeforms.  They all seem to think that we are stuck on this planet for the duration of our DNA's existence, until we kind of peter out into sad, wandering raggedy mopes following herds of feral cattle, or something equally silly. And Peter Ward forgets his own science -- that all chordata (anything with a spinal chord or neural groove) are probably descended from the chordate worm Pikaia gracilens that was part of the plant/animal population that remained at the end of the pre-Cambrian extinction. Many of the Burgess Shale specimens are ancestral to current species.
I'm always amazed at the lack of real-world observation by people in this line of work.  Did Peter Ward take into account that there hasn't been a sunspot since Oct. 18, 2008? Did he pay attention to the weather patterns where he lives? Did he take into account the fact that the magnetic poles are in the process of getting ready to flipflop?  I don't think so, any more than Lovelock did when he finally came down from his ivory tower and made another one of his announcements about Gaia a couple of years ago.  The Earth is in a constant state of flux, and undergoes regular cycles of change which have nothing to do with anything we are doing, and which we cannot prevent.  Occasioanlly, it would be real good idea to take in a wide range of information, so that you can see the entire puzzle as a whole. It reduces the panic attack mentality.
I also found the views of the authors a bit disturbing. Mother Earth's systems work because the waste products of each organism are raw materials of another life form. An excess of one species then directly leads to an overabundance of materials for another. We view these systems then as inherently self regulating but in reality, since these systems evolved naturally, there will always be localized imbalances. Every extinction let to a proliferation of other species.  Its true that there are too many humans on the planet, but that's not the whole story. There are also too many chickens, too many cows, too much corn and soy. The list goes on, and there's not enough biosphere dedicated to supporting the rest of earth's biodiversity. We can easily see the destruction we're causing on land by gobbling up all available space and resources and the dumping of our wastes but the destruction of resources in the oceans is as bad, if not worse. We need to live with nature or we will end up replacing nature. At least at this time, we haven't evolved or developed the technology to close the cycle and become a complete biosphere within ourselves and our captive life forms. If we live long enough to do this, then both earth and humanity may be able to live in a separate peace, if not, then history shows, chances are good that Gaia will survive even if we don't.
Such silliness...scientists with competing hypotheses are no better than two politicians from opposing parties in a political debate.  Proof for either idea is scant, and each relies on a lot of other unprovable ideas and conjectures, like a sentient planet and/or an emotional planet.  Where is the proof?  Do ice cores tell us that our planet had a hissy fit and plunged itself into a series of ice ages or damaging, fiery extinctions?  Did the planet ask the meteors to wipe out the dinosaurs?  They are wholly specious arguments to begin with, and everything surrounding them is suspect.  Can anyone say with any degree of certainty that the planet is capable of malice, or even any other human emotion?  The mere suggestion is laughable.  It's already beyond silly when people anthropomorphize the Animal Kindom and say stupid things like 'My cat smiles' or 'my lizard and I talk all the time,' but to extend that irrationality to a quasi-animated collection of objects that heretofore has exhibited no real semblance of consciousness whatsoever is like telling your neighbor to keep the noise down because he's disturbing your Pet Rock.  
I often though about over-population but always assumed that it would be controled by global thermonecular war. I still have faith in that theory just taking a bit longer than expected.
Zool's comment is right on target. I don't know which is worse, the possibility that they these scientists DON'T realize that they're anthropomorphising the Earth, or the possibility that they DO know they are.
there's no "purpose" to any of it, it's just the way things are
I think what people just dont understand is that life and our world do not owe us anything. Things live and things die every day. We could easily be one of those things. Its just how life is. If we are too stupid and greedy to care about the complexity of the world and the privlage to exist, then what can you really say.
The Earth unwittingly plods on as a huge chunk of complexity
obeying the laws of the cosmos of which it's part..  But it's NOT alive and thinking; plotting and scheming. It's as vulnerable to the happenings of the universe as we are. We happen to have temporarily broken out on it's surface. We won't last forever and neither will the Earth.
So, what do these people suggest.....mass suicide?  You first
To Sara, Chicago 
[Isn't it true that] Lovelock in fact "stole" his ideas from Russian scientist Vernadsky, promoting "evolution of biosphere" theory?
Predrag, Zagreb, Croatia

[ALAN ADDS: Here is more on Vladimir Vernadsky:]

http://www.artofteachingscience.org/?p=1708


"According to the decades-old "Gaia hypothesis," it's because Earth is a self-regulating system that is responding to our own excesses."
--I kind of like to think about it in the manner of the Le Chatelier Principle, where systems push back against an outside force.  Our environment will push back against an outside force (humans).  Furthermore, in chemistry, there are buffers--these might be the carbon sinks and sources in our environment.  It is my lay thought that the environment can withstand human meddling to a certain degree until a tipping point is reached--the buffer fails or is used up.

"where humans overpopulate until they do more harm than good," Lovelock writes. He says the cure won't come until the human tribe is trimmed back from its current 6.8 billion to, say, 1 billion people."
--This is a bit drastic.  I'm not sure about methods.  Anyway, if one compares human exponential growth to the exponential growth of viruses ...  A virus grows to a number that exceeds the available resources, a die off occurs and a population plateau is reached.  Our technology has allowed us access to more resources; thus elevating the climax of population growth.  Still, there will be a point reached, but it won't reduce our population as drastically as to 1 billion, I believe.

University of Washington paleontologist Peter Ward seems to be prehaps a bit of a fringe element.  Just an observation.
Neanderthals were well suited to survive in cold climates. Modern humans replaced them and have done pretty well so far. It is not unreasonable to think that a more evolved version of ourselves will take over and thrive.
Just to respond to Carl from Orange, CA. The problem people have to realize is that if something (like global warming) disturbs our planets system quickly enough, things could change very drastically. Natural change typically happens over long periods of time (thousands and millions of years)and all the events in our history which occurred quickly, systems have crashed and extinctions have occurred. Will everything on our planet die - probably not. BUT, could hundreds of millions of people die in the process - possibly. So why take the risk of ignoring our actions. We consume and consume not taking any of the ramifications into consideration. Most people dont have a clue. I'm imperfect myself. I do things and buy things sometimes I know I shouldnt - things that I know were made in a country with little environmental regulation or maybe I take an extra drive somewhere I know wasnt completely necessary. Human nature can be beautiful but its also a curse sometimes.
"Smart" and "stupid" are completely subjective terms.  If you believe the purpose of life is to propogate the species, then humans are short-term smart and long-term stupid on that issue.  If you believe that humans are divine spirits seeking union with their creator, then species survival is not relevant to our intelligence level regarding survivability.  As with any qualitative measure, you need to define your point of reference.  Humans are "smart" with reference to...what?

Maybe the "wisest" species on earth already evolved to an enlightened state millions of years ago, and now are watching us, laughing their asses off and crapping on our cars!
The simple fact is that human's were planted here as an experiment. I am sure our overseers are waiting to see what happens.  So when the space crafts land and say come with me, you better go.........
If the ocean's rise, I will swim.  If the sun expands, I will get a better tan.  If the world ends,
so do my problems.  I fail to see a down-side here.
Word Up! Mother Natures primary goal is nurturing and protecting the survival of humanity. Until such time as we can stand on our own in the Universe. Planet earth is a giant incubator created by “You Know Who”.

Mother Nature will not allow the destructive actions and misunderstandings of the few to endanger the survival of humanity, if she can help it. And she will destroy millions to try and maintain our ultimate survival, if she has to.

Jacksmith — Working Class :-)
Hey, fancy, schmancy scientists - it's called dieback. You will probably see examples of it shortly as the food and water supplies start to run out...
Mother Nature is good to us beyond our pea-sized comprehension. It's us who is cruel to our Mother. Not the other way around. She can support way more people than we have today, it's our ways of doing things that are not sustainable and we're seeing it more by the day.

Adonai
Reducing population GROWTH does little, reducing population will do alot, preferentially through migration not genocide.  But it's going to be one or the other.  Homo Sapiens Sapiens is the fruiting body of the Terran biocosm and it's up to us to propogate Terra as broadly as we can.  It's what fuiting bodies do.
Nature is as nature does.


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