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50 years of seeking E.T.

Posted: Monday, May 04, 2009 7:50 PM by Alan Boyle


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Click for video: The Drake Equation estimates the likelihood
of alien intelligence, based on assumptions about life in the
universe. Click on the image to watch a Space.com video
featuring the SETI Institute's Seth Shostak and Frank Drake.

It's been almost 50 years since scientists first came up with the idea of looking for radio signals from extraterrestrial civilizations - and although there have been a couple of curious blips, we haven't yet definitively heard E.T.'s cosmic call. Now the experts in the search for extraterrestrial intelligence, or SETI, are wondering whether we've been looking in the wrong places for the wrong kinds of signals.

Or maybe we just haven't been looking long enough.

All of those possibilities are considered in "Confessions of an Alien Hunter," a new book from Seth Shostak, the SETI Institute's senior astronomer.

Shostak's "confessions" are actually Shostak's arguments for why the SETI search makes sense - leavened with dramatic accounts of the effort's best-known false alarms (including an episode that Shostak wrote up for msnbc.com a decade ago) and folksy metaphors that would put Dan Rather to shame (including this one: "Life is as durable as Christmas fruitcake").

The California institute where Shostak works is the primary standard-bearer in the search for alien signals. That search dates back to 1960, when astronomer Frank Drake (now the SETI Institute's president) aimed an 85-foot radio telescope in West Virginia skyward in hopes of tuning in the extraterrestrials.

After his initial foray, Drake and his fellow seekers moved on to bigger and better telescopes, including the old 140-foot Green Bank Telescope and the 1,000-foot Arecibo Observatory. But the strategy was pretty much the same: Check one star for an unnaturally steady radio signal, then move on to the next star.

Now that's changing. The Allen Telescope Array, a joint venture involving the SETI Institute and the University of California at Berkeley, will allow bunches of stars to be studied at once. Like microchips, the efficiency of SETI has been improving at a geometric pace in agreement with Moore's Law. If that pace continues for the next two dozen years, more than a million stars will be checked for signs of on-air life, Shostak notes.

Shostak and Drake say that sampling should be big enough to result in contact - assuming first that the aliens exist, and then that they think like we do. The first assumption is big, but the second one is even bigger. If the search for signs of microbial life on Mars and more distant worlds requires a correct understanding of astrobiology, the search for intelligence beyond our own solar system requires something more: astropsychology, perhaps?

Over the decades, the strategy for SETI has by necessity been dictated by a cosmic Golden Rule: We look for communication in the channels that we use to communicate. A generation ago, that might have been the analog television signals that carried "I Love Lucy" out to the cosmos. Today, Drake speculates that the aliens might be transmitting digitally, with lasers instead of monster radio antennas.

During a weekend talk in Seattle, Drake pointed out that the just-completed National Ignition Facility can focus the light of 192 lasers to create a pulse that lasts just a few nanoseconds but far outshines the sun. "Those lasers can make pulses of light which are visible to very small telescopes all across the galaxy," he noted.

Shostak theorizes that E.T. might have two types of transmitters going: one that flashes such pulses of light toward a long list of target planets that might be habitable - including us - and another "low-power, omnidirectional broadcast that tells you how to join their book club, or whatever." For that reason, SETI searchers have started conducting surveys for those tiny flashes of light as well as for sustained radio traffic.

So where should we look? Historically, the SETI Institute's target list has favored Earthlike planets where life as we know it might have taken root. But in "Confessions of an Alien Hunter," Shostak suggests that on the basis of what we're learning about artificial intelligence, the most likely aliens to send signals would actually be artificially intelligent machines.

If E.T. is a big shiny robot, the strategy of targeting Earthlike worlds orbiting sunlike stars may turn out to be "a very antiquated idea," Shostak acknowledged during a weekend interview. "A world on which the whole thing can rust might not be the best place for it," he said. A better place, from the machine's point of view, would be in orbit around a star hot enough to provide the prodigious power required for the big broadcast.

But Drake said the other end of the stellar scale shouldn't be overlooked, either. It turns out that about three-quarters of the stars in our galaxy are red dwarfs, which are dimmer than the sun but still could provide a home for E.T. Those stars have been overlooked in past SETI searches.

The bottom line, Drake said, is that "our simple picture was really way too simple" when it came to visualizing the kinds of places in the universe where life might lurk.

That's one of the reasons why Drake isn't discouraged that the SETI quest has come up empty, even after 50 years. He pointed out that only a thousand stars or so have been studied, over bandwidth that accounts for just a few percentage points of the potential spectrum. "We've looked at something like 10-5 of the possible combinations," he said.

Shostak said he felt confident that solid evidence of life beyond Earth will be found within two dozen years - either by continuing with SETI, or by analyzing exoplanet atmospheres, or by digging into the dirt on Mars or the ice on Europa or Enceladus. Drake, meanwhile, had a longer timetable in mind. "I don't think 2025 is going to happen unless we're very lucky," he told me. "Maybe it'll take twice as long - maybe 2050."

Other experts have suggested time frames of 100 to 200 years.

Of course, such timetables assume that SETI efforts around the world will continue to attract followers and funding. SETI efforts in the United States are funded privately rather than publicly, and Drake said it's getting tougher to raise money. "As long as the recession keeps going on, we have to move that [timetable] back," he said.

Could there ever come a point when the experts decide there's no E.T. out there to phone home? What would Shostak do if he hasn't heard from the aliens after a century of searching (other than celebrating the fact that he's still alive in the year 2060, that is)?

"I don't think I would be ready to say that they're just not there," he said, "but I might be inclined to say that we're barking up the wrong arboreal fixture ... that there's something fundamentally wrong with what we're doing."


How common do you think extraterrestrial intelligence could be? Plug some figures into the Drake Equation and come up with your own estimate. Search for extraterrestrial intelligence on msnbc.com. Then weigh in with your comments below.

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Isn't it sadistic of the alien presence on Earth to remain hidden from us?  Just think how much time, trouble and money they could save us by just coming "out of the closet".
STOP the WASTE of TAX PAYERS money.  This God hating travesty has has so weakened our intelligence.  All good things come from God for the good of those who Love him.
Not to mention the problem is simple distance. Our galaxy is 100,000 light years across, and we are, relatively speaking, out in the boonies. On a cosmic scale, nothing we have sent out has reached further than the house next door. On the flip side, we're looking for thousand year old shout outs.

And suppose somehow we did find proof positive that there was nobody else, anywhere. I mean, would it be possible to feel more lonely? Putting the whole religious aspect aside, one would have to then wonder what the point of all of it being there is?
It is amusing that we (as humans) try to rationalize why we have not heard common-band radio signals from ETs.  Even if ETs do use some advanced form of communication, they would likely still have used radio waves in the beginning.  If these ET worlds follow the same laws of physics that we adhere to, than radio waves would have been discovered (and used) by ET's also.  We should be intercepting these 50,000 year old signals now.  Keep up the search!  Maybe if we find intelligent life out there, we can ask them for a cure for cancer (even though they probably have a silicon-base body, rather than a carbon-based (remember that Star Trek episode?)
The idea that someone could estimate the number of habitable worlds in this galaxy is absurd. We barely even understand the mechanics of planet formation. Sure, we can see all the stars like ours and assume that all those white dwarfs and other stars emitting lethal radiation to us wouldn't be habitable by us, but we can't say the same for a species living under those stars for a few billion years.

It is even more absurd to try to catch radio or optical signals from other worlds. The distances are just too vast and the times just too long to successfully pull that off. Until we develop FTL communication there's little point in even managing to find a radio signal from another world. By the time we transmit back every alien who knew anything about it will be dead and buried.
funny, why is it that we humans think that IF there is intelligent life out there, (not a mathematical certainty, as someone has stated, but a possibility) it is far more advanced than us? also according to the article, we feel that ET's may well be attempting to contact us (or any other intelligent life). for fifty-plus years, we have been searching on the assumption that ET's have visited us in the past, yet, since our scientific advances, THEY have decided not to make contact with us?
personally, i find that odd, even disconcerting...
we have yet to prove the existence of even microbial life on any planet/moon short of earth, yet, some are apparently certain that intelligent life IS out there.    hmmmmmm, to quote arte johnson, "verrrry interesting"
I'm with Troy Boyle.  I'm of the opinion that it's rare for a civilization to make it much past the nuclear age.  I am also of the opinion that AI machines may be the only thing left after the originating species is no longer in existence or is no longer in charge.  

AI machines are truly immortal.  They would view time as only a slight obstacle to their plans to colonize the entire universe and certainly their home galaxy.  All they have to do is send out self-replicating colonization drones that build more drones upon arrival at a suitable planet or asteroid and, in so doing, have an exponentially increasing army of colonizers.

If we created AI would it eventually think that we are a threat to its continued existence?  Would it destroy us?  Would it view other civilizations across the galaxy as threats or perhaps trade partners?  It poses some really fantastic questions.

To answer the question though, I wonder if we haven't heard anything yet because civ's eventually destroy themselves in one way or another.
what if ET is doing the same thing we are? Just listening and watching? Why? Becuase that's safe. Broadcasting your location my not be a smart thing to do. It's safe to assume that the galaxy is a rough neighborhood.
This article has been added to the Astronomy Link List.
"...Maybe listening to radio signals is like someone trynig to contact us using smoke signals? It would seem to me that any advanced interstellar civilisation would us a more sophisticated method (and much faster) than radio waves."

That's entirely possible. 'They' may well be using physics we don't know (or at least fully understand) yet. Unfortunately, we have to use what we *do* know, and remain open to other possibilities.

Since we aren't likely to stop using communications in the electromagnetic spectrum if/when we also understand these other modes, it may be that another civilization also still 'leaks' radio frequency energy we can still detect. But the search becomes more difficult, since we might then not expect intentional RF 'beacons' if the time between discovering radio and discovering 'X' tends to be a very small fraction of a civilization's lifetime.


Are we really expecting advanced civilizations, thousands or millions of years more advanced than ourselves to be using Earth's 20th century radio technology of communication? There are two sides to this, those that follow the archaic logic, and those that say open we already have these answers dating back almost 60 years. An apparent dead end either way, at least as far as the public is concerned.
I think the question I would like to have answered is with the SETI listening for alien communication "out there" how is it they do not here any communication between spacecraft? We've seen them here, why don't we hear them communicating between each other?  

Maybe, aliens are communicating through the people who have been abducted. Maybe, aliens are communicating thru the metal implants that are inexplicably found in people during x-rays or operations. Maybe we don't get the message due to shortsighted thinking or the evidence that is actually here has been dismissed by the press, military, government, religious stigma, and friends of the people who have been abducted?

All different aspects to the equation. There is life out there. The real question is are we intelligent enough to realize communication when we experience it?
Trying to look for radio signals from ET is like someone in Europe looking for smoke signals from America. Smoke signals are good for short range communication but not for long range, similarly Radio waves are ok for communication in our solar system but not for across stars and galaxies.

Similarly the Drake equation does not take into account millions of things that are unique to our planet for example the ratio between the size of moon and sun is almost equal to the ratio of distances between moon and sun, this is why we get perfect eclipses. If you add all those things I bet the probability will come down drastically.
"funny, why is it that we humans think that IF there is intelligent life out there, (not a mathematical certainty, as someone has stated, but a possibility) it is far more advanced than us?"

We don't assume that. But obviously someone *less* advanced than us won't be generating radio frequency energy that we might detect.

Everybody else will have to wait until interstellar travel becomes possible for us and we can go look for ourselves. (Or at least until we meet someone who *has* done exploration and is willing to share their knowledge of non-technological intelligences they've discovered...)



"On the flip side, we're looking for thousand year old shout outs."

and...

"By the time we transmit back every alien who knew anything about it will be dead and buried."

So? Even knowing of a civilization that *once* existed, will still tell us something meaningful. Archeologists deal with studying the remnants of dead civilizations all the time...

"what if ET is doing the same thing we are? Just listening and watching? Why? Becuase that's safe. Broadcasting your location my not be a smart thing to do. It's safe to assume that the galaxy is a rough neighborhood."

And that, too, is a possibility...

What a bunch of garbage, ever heard of fallen angels?
Nephelims?, do not be deceived. It is all in the Bible.
"He pointed out that only a thousand stars or so have been studied, over bandwidth that accounts for just a few percentage points of the potential spectrum."

Exactly why are we not listening to the entire spectrum?
This subject is so speculative that it is difficult to make serious comment.  The article points out that what we're really talking about is how many civilizations with technology similar to our own may be trying to contact us.  As a practical matter, an advanced civilization seeking to communication across the interstellar expanse would want to employ a faster-than-light medium, such as tachyons, if such a medium is available.  After all, even the proverbial I Love Lucy reruns could not be detected any farther away than approximately 50 light years as of the present time, and that is not very far in terms of galactic distances.  However, we are not aware of even the first principles of a faster-than-light communications system, suggesting we are not capable of looking for the type of a signals most likely to be used for interstellar communication.  This is extremely significant.  Even assuming the existence of extraterrestrial intelligence, unless intelligent life is very common elsewhere, ours may be the only intelligent species within hundreds of light years (or more, since our part of the galaxy is less densely populated by stars than some other parts).  Also, note how much our technology has advanced during the past 100,000 year -- or even 10,000 years.  And note how the pace of technological advance has increased by orders of magnitude as more technology is developed.  Noting these phenomena, and generalizing from them, a civilization that is 10,000 or 100,000 years beyond our present point of technological development might have only limited interest in us -- especially if intelligent, tool-using species such as ours are not unusual and others have already been intensively studied by academics.  Perhaps our existence was catalogued and various records made of human Paleolithic civilization, under circumstances where it would not be normal to come back for another look until several thousand years from now.  Or perhaps there have been political developments that mean either (1) that it is unlikely anyone is familiar with the records of our existence or (2) that it is unlikely that resources would be made available to learn anything new about us.  After all, resource constraints are fundamental to the laws of physics (matter can neither be created nor destroyed) and that even highly advanced civilizations would be confronted with finite resources.  Alternatively, maybe there is an alien communications device, a la 2001: A Space Odyssey, in our solar system which has already provided a signal that the species under observation has crossed some threshold of technological development.  Or perhaps the receiver for some 2001-style signal from our solar system is no longer operational or is no longer actively monitored (it might, for example, simply be receiving and recording signals after having been forgotten 10,000 year ago when interest in the project waned).  Maybe the signal has been received and the invasion force (that being the purposed of the signal) is on its way.  Or maybe the signal has been received but the invasion force is not on its way because the civilization on the other end no longer has the resources or the know-how to outfit such a force.  Or maybe there is no signal and no one to receive it.  All of this is pure speculation, and the only thing valid to say about the subject is to admit that there are many possibilities, but we simply do not know the truth.
It's a double-edged sword:  On the one hand, given how we have progressed from simple radio signals to microwave communications, it's easy to see that as we progress in our communications we make less of a beacon to be seen.  "I Love Lucy" is flying out to the stars, but the various cable and satellite mediums mostly in use today stay here on the planet.  It may be that we haven't seen E.T. because we'd have to be looking right when they were in that early radio stage.

On the other hand, what is SETI to do?  We can only hope they are *trying* to reach us, and that we'll pick up a signal that was specifically designed to reach somebody like us.  The effort is not hopeless, just necessarily limited in its methodology.
hi i hate et
Why couldn't they just create SETI Satalite that orbits our planet and scan galaxies. By taking in a wide spectrum of radio signals an lights like you said, then single out the constant ones for further study? Maybe the only reason they are not contacting, are the fact we are not trying to contact first? Either way, I think it should be like Hubble and be in space were we can upgrade its communication devices while getting a clear picture of the universe without interfering signals from our own little world.
I think that even with quantum entanglement (by definition between a pair of quantum particles or there is no entanglement to speak of), you would have to get one the particles over to where you want to send the "message". Once that set up is achieved, then changes in spins are instantaneously "conveyed" to the other particle, but you still could not go around the speed of light limit getting one the particle there.  Another point, what if WE are the ones a million years more advanced than anyone else out there. I think if there were civilizations a million or more years more advanced than us, and looking at the rate of our technological advances in just the last 20 years, I would venture to say they would have found a way to contact us, without any fear of us being a threat to them. Us who still use vehicles that rely on friction (!!!) between road and tire or on air resistance (!!) to move about our daily lives... On a personal note, I think there are probably many, many of alien civilizations out there, but we are all stuck with a lack of means to communicate outside of time restrictions which come with the speed of light limit and the huge distances involved. To put into perspective, a space shuttle flying at 8 km/s would take 1.2 Billion years to reach the center of our galaxy...Certainly doesn't hurt to keep looking, just in case we're just wrong about most of our assumptions about the universe...
Maybe the mini-series "V" was right we are just a feeding ground for some alien race and with our population on the ride year after year they just harvest us every 5 or so years.  Dang pyramids, Aztec ruins, and Atlantis just mere ports of gathering around the globe.
We must keep looking.  I hope that we aren't the only intelligent life form out here in the galaxy.  Otherwise we are in serious trouble. We could learn much from those out there as hopefully they would learn from us.
Our curiousity and ever ending drive for understanding of the unknown makes us who we are, human.  Whether we find intelligent life outside our planet or not, it's our nature to search and discover, grow and evolve. If there wasn't a SETI project, it wouldn't stop humans from continuing to explore. The existance of the SETI project is cultivating the imagination of the next generation of scientists, engineers, educators, and researchers.
I think Dave BC WA is onto somthing.....not only do you have the situation he describes but you have the factor of time.....there may have been thousands upon thousands of intelligent civilations millions of years ago in this galaxy just not now, or in a time frame that make them detectable to us.  The opposite is also true.  The task of finding them is truly like the needle in the haystack.
Maybe we should view it as a dire warning that so called advanced civilations simply do not survive long enough to get a audible call out.  If our civilation died tomorrow then there is roughly 100 years of audible sound making its way to an advanced civilation they would have 100 years to detect it, what are the odds?
It amazes me how religious anti-science nuts continue to say science proves their point...yet they must defend those "proven" points so vehemently and with such venom against others.  I call that "on the defensive".

They refuse to believe that maybe God created life outside Earth, too, and just hasn't felt the need to tell us.  A little experiment, to see what happens when he changes this or that.  God's science project.  Oh I'm sure they'll jump on me hard for that phrase.

But to the point, SETI has a valid mission, however, it is like many have stated.  We may be running up against civilizations that cannot yet transmit signals, or maybe can't *translate* our signals.  Or maybe they don't care.  Who can really say?  There are planets believed to be capable of supporting life, but who's to say that life is in any way compatible with what we call life?
Wow.  I must be a pessimist... when I put my numbers into the drake equation I get ZERO intelligent aliens!

On another note... no one has mentioned extra-dimensional (or intra-dimensional) travel.  Maybe that is why we can't catch those rascals... they just turn the dimensional corner and disappear from our reality.
It can now be revealed that Dick Cheney is, in fact, from another planet.
First, SETI receives no government grants --- it is funded entirely by private donations, so the comments about wasting taxpayers' money are immaterial.

Second, despite the fifty years since the first SETI attempts, we have so far explored only a tiny portion of the available "phase space" --- so SETI is really only just beginning.

Third, any signal strong enough to be detected would have to be fairly close --- within a thousand light years or thereabouts, for intentionally beamed signals, or much closer than that for "leaked" incidental signals.  Motions of planets around their suns complicate the matter by introducing varying Doppler shifts in the frequency over time --- so catching a signal almost has to happen by accident, and we can easily miss signals even if they are intentionally broadcast towards us and we know the carrier frequency.

Last, we don't know if ET still uses the electromagnetic spectrum to communicate --- maybe we are fifty years away from learning how to send and receive neutrino signals.  Or maybe the "dark matter" physicists are struggling with is evidence of the rich information content of some other form of communications.  Bottom line, we know more than we did, but are still woefully ignorant of what lies beyond Earth orbit.
My assumption is that we will eventually find primitive life (bacterial) is common, advanced life (animals, trees) is rare, intelligent life (humans) is even rarer, maybe one or two per hundred billion stars.  It is one of my greatest dreams that we will someday find proof of another civilization, but I am not optimistic.
My question for scientists is: in the event we are it in the Milky Way, is there any chance we can see the fine light from other galaxies where intelligent aliens might reside?  
A few answers to comments posted above:

1)  SETI is NOT broadcasting a signal to potential aliens.  SETI is all about listening.  If you wish to hide the Earth from potential aliens, you wouldn't shut down SETI - you would have to shut down every radio and TV station on the planet, and especially, shut down military radar.  SETI is a passive search.

2)  Several comments have implied that radio is not a useful medium beyond the Solar System.  That's not correct.  In fact, our own broadcasts (listed above) have actually made the Earth brighter than our Sun in the radio spectrum!  A radio astronomer working on Planet X many light years away may notice that the radio signal from our Solar System has gotten much brighter.  Our alien astronomer friend could even figure out that the signals are coming from a planet with a 24-hour day (as different transmissions sweep out the sky in that time).

3)  Those of you who don't want tax money spent on SETI, please rest assured - SETI (in this country) is completely funded without government money.  SETI relies on private donations.  (You didn't pay for SETI, and it isn't hurting anything, so what's your beef with the project?)

DISCLOSURE - I am an astronomer, working on finding exoplanets (planets that orbit stars beyond our Sun; so far we have found 347 planets).  I do not have any direct connection with SETI, but I watch their work with great interest.


~Michael
You have to approach this as space fantasy.  The only reality is developing grand technologies that can peer into  distant solar systems and pin point earth-like planets.

The galaxy should be teaming with long since passed signals from come and gone civilizations. But it isn't !  The chance of evolution taking place in such a way that guarantee's beings that are conscious of themselves and the universe and possess the means to  exploit their worlds and nature over and over again is fantastical but not of zero probability.  

I just think we are stuck here so get used to it and treat this world right. It's the only one we have and will have for untold time.
Great article Alan and very good video on the Drake Equation.  Nice to see Seth.  He does a good job, too.  In addition to searching for ET, it is equally important to send out signals and messages to help ET find us, especially if 50,000 other civilizations could be looking for us.  
It seems to me that there are a number of things that would make the probability of successful SETI much lower than someone might intially think.

1) ETI may use more advanced communications, but it's also just as likely that they may use more efficient versions of technologies we use.  Laser communications, directional transmitters.  Why waste your power broadcasting to the universe?  We only did that in our technological infancy and waste less with every new generation of technology.

2) Security.  Evolution tends to create competing groups for the same resources, with technology competition tends to create a need for security and obfuscation.  Think about encrypted credit card transmissions, military communications, even commercial satellite communications are secured so people can't get free satellite tv easily.  Why wouldn't other technical civilizations choose to secure or obfuscate their emissions for competitive, economic or other unfathomable reasons?

3) We're searching for a slice of a sphere.  Our broadcasts move out (generally) spherically from our planet but the magnitude of many of these signals is decreasing quickly as we move towards fiber optics, laser communications and directional broadcasts.  Meaning?  There's a band of about 100 years of noise moving away from our planet that other races might detect and that band has to pass their planet at a point in time where they are listening using the same type of technology as us.  

4) Maybe they're smarter than us?  Maybe there are good ETI's and bad ETI's out there and any race surviving long enough learns that you don't broadcast your location?  And broadcasting so that primitives like us can find it would be easily detectable by the far more advanced "bad ETI's", hence no broadcasts.

5)  Or there are more fun and speculative ideas, like maybe our galaxy is part of a universal "nature preserve" where things are left in their natural state.  =)  

wes

1) An advanced civilisation would seed the sky with exploratory nanobots, that would then seek out other civilized beings.
2) When civilized beings are found, the nanobots evolve to secretly watch their communication networks.
3) SQUID devices in nanobot form latch onto the transmission lines through hijacked naturally occuring lifeforms that must be common, ordinary, nonintrusive...

So a good place to look for advanced alien life?
SQUID nanobots in bird excrement layed upon telephone lines ! (anyhow, Very easy to dis-prove with a borrowed electron microscope and a tall ladder)
My bet is that the first sign of extraterrestrial life would be spectral lines of chlorophyl (or some other biological marker) in the occultation measurements of a gas giant in the habitable zone of another star. The organic material would actually arise from the moons of the gas giant, and to be measured from its rings as they would collect these organic materials from the moons over time.
"Why couldn't they just create SETI Satalite that orbits our planet and scan galaxies."

Why couldn't they just?

Money.

Massive radiotelescopes on the Lunar Farside and/or in free-fall for SETI (and more mundane radioastronomy) would be a wonderful thing...but at current space transportation costs (though some people are working on that, but it's another issue) are out of the question.

As noted, all SETI work is done with private money. I doubt supporters have pockets that deep.
To what end is the discovery of other intelligent life forms?  A mere curiosity?  What would any of us do differently if SETI picked up some ET signal.  What relevant information could we exchange?  Only with the aid of our wildest human imagination, can we even discuss communication with an ET. The closest star to Earth is 4.5 light years away.  The life sustaining planets are even farther.  There is no chance of ever meeting and ET under the laws of quantum physics that set the maximum speed as the speed of light.

I ask the question again, what if we did identify intelligent life outside of our Earth?  What would it do for you - make you closer to God???  Let's try to communicate with each other before we turn to ETs or some other wild figment of our imagination.
What gives these people the right to listen in on other planets? Has anyone asked them if it is OK or gotten a court order to spy on other peoples? And if they find one them what? Send them a message? What gives SETI the right to make that decision for the rest of the planet?

Look up at the BILLIONS of stars, YA there is probably other life out there. Now shut up and spend the money on something WORTH WHILE!

AND how do we know they are peacefull??? What gives someone the right to possibly doom everyone on this planet??? I could come up with dozens of questions the thoughtless egomaniacs at SETI are ignoring in order to further their own selfish interests!
Kvn what if Native Americans had had the tools to look for other "intelligent" beings across the atlantic or pacific and to try to decode their intentions?  My point is that knowledge is a double edge sword...one side can harm you the other can help you.  Just because one side can slice you doesent mean you should avoid the sword.  We must look and learn we have no alternative....as far as prioritizing and determining what is more worthwhile than anyother issue......I think that your idea that this type of research is not worthwhile is reflected in how we fund these programs and it is pretty obvious that the rest of the population feels the way you do.  I just hope that we are not sitting on this world as native americans did waiting to be "discovered."    
To "The one who knows there is life beyond this world"
I do not see one thread of evidence here that anyone hates your god.  It is also clear that many more people feel the way you do as it is seen the funding of such projects.  I only whish you respected my views as much as I respect yours.
300 years from now a wave of communication siginals will begin to shower down on the earth from another planet that destroyed its self long ago.  there will be about 200 years of transmission to listen to.  Then the communications will fall erily quiet after 221 years.  What will we learn from their signals?  Will we even be here to hear the siginals?  Will we be able to detect these types of signals?  Will we be able to watch alein TV?  Will we be able to see their image?  How will this event shape society in the year 2210?  Is there a possibility you could be living in 2210?  If anyone claims to not have the desire to know these endless questions then I would say they are probably not being completly truthful.
Man is reaching out into space for knowledge by whatever means available, but much can be learned here on earth.  Note that recently many people have become aware of the “critters” and “rods” that do exist in earth’s atmosphere and above.  Are they aliens or space animals? Check the many NASA video clips available on the internet and you will see the bright little disc shaped objects that have become a relatively common site during Apollo and space shuttle missions.  At times the discs appear to be cruising along independently, purpose unknown, then disappear and re-appear.  There are not just a few, but so many such things that I wonder why scientists aren’t showing more interest.  In fact, they rarely even bother to study such phenomena.  Why not I ask?  I thought that scientists were inquisitive by nature.  I’ve got a feeling that the military is very, very interested though.  The two mile long discs flying around the space shuttle could be space mosquitoes for all we know, but who knows what they are unless we examine them under science’s microscope.

What’s that you say? They already know what the ufos are, and the world governments are silencing the scientists?  The grey aliens are here and working with the governments on secret projects?  Just check the Google Earth photos of all the structures in those radiation filled craters at Area 51 and that should prove that something “alien” is going on for sure.

Truth is there’s evidence of ufos all over the earth going back to ancient times.  We see it ourselves, in all the videos and photos we’ve amassed over the years, and in all the released government reports, etc.  We’ve got witnesses too!  There are Colonels, Majors, astronauts, airline pilots, among others, many of which want to be heard in congress.  Most wouldn’t make a mockery of their lives just for a brief moment of fame.  And remember that due to their professions, such people are more in a position to see alien ships and everything else in the sky!

It appears (and I’ve seen some myself) that ufos abound over our skies almost nightly.  Yet they don’t ever say hello or even wave.  What the hell?  Why come to visit?  Is it simply to explore, show off, or possibly pick up a few essential earthly elements or perhaps an occasional human being?  Perhaps we’re a weigh station located near some handy black holes, and we appear to the aliens as just a bunch of fish stuck in a fish tank.
“Don’t bother to pet the dog on your way into the store, ET.  He bites”

The scientific community ignores most of the ufo evidence we’ve been seeing because as they put it, “There’s no concrete evidence.”

Was there any concrete evidence prior to 1492 proving that the earth was round?

Evidently they’d rather listen to endless space static than examine the evidence staring them right in the face.  Ufo buffs know that there is much here to study, but for some reason the bulk of that study is left to ufologists, who are heroes in my book.


They say that Uncle Sam rules the scientists, uses some of them, and quiets the rest, just like they did to all those Roswell folks and military alike.

Forget about searching the vastness of space, Obi Won.  You don’t have what it takes yet. A glut of information is available here on earth, but it’s being ignored, hidden and held back by certain governments.  Don’t ask the scientists though, about those strange metal alien implants found in so many people, or about those authentic ufo videos, confidential military reports, crop circles, etc.  At times there’s nothing wrong with using circumstantial evidence when you don’t have solid evidence to go on.

Why spend billions of dollars and many centuries of effort on finding ET when there is so much evidence at hand now?  

Let’s get more proactive on searching our little piece of the universe, namely the Earth, where the best option to waiting for centuries for answers lies.  We’re not blind.  We know that something unearthly visits us frequently, and lately, even more frequently.  If something big is coming, whether it be ET or God as many suspect, we’d better not plan on waiting centuries for insights.  We may need the facts right now or risk getting wiped out like the dinosaurs.  They were wiped out by a meteor that somehow missed crashing into all those surrounding planets, those which are meant to protect us from just such disasters.  It makes me wonder.  There’s no “concrete evidence” except for the big hole, and many things can cause a big enough blast to cause that huge crater, so perhaps the aliens decided to “cull” the earth to make room for mankind.

Either way, listening to radio waves is okay, but just don’t confine your search to that.  

You’ll miss the boat.
Quit wasting time and money looking at the skies guys, E.T. is right here and has been for a long time now.  These SETI fools must be a part of the ongoing campaign of denial and disinformation about the alien presence here on Earth and elsewhere in this solar system. There's too much evidence of this. Anyone who remains willfully ignorant must be a part of the coverup.
The answer to this question can be found within our own history, let me explain;

As others have already pointed out, Earth based interstellar communication has only been around for about 100 years, and yet we can already see a time when people will no longer can a fig about the exterior Universe. Think how compelling some of the manmade worlds have become in a little over 20 years, give it another 40 years and the thousands of artificial realities available will dwarf the present reality both in scale, scope and adventure.

In short all consciousness will become digital, all life will become simulated, all reality will be man (or machine) made and no one will look back. In time people will no longer consider this new existence to be fake, it will be the *only* reality.

We can't find intelligent life in *this* Universe, because they have moved into a better one, just as we will before this century is over.

Conscious intelligence is the most powerful force in the Universe, all other forces eventually bow before it.
What's fun about the SETI researchers is that they keep confidently predicting near-term success, and when their predicted success dates come and go, they just move them back and make another rosy prediction.  This is not unlike the end-of-the-world doomsayers, in more ways than one.

What's most frustrating about this is the basic ignorance of population dynamics that pervades the whole SETI community.  You can see it right there in the Drake equation in your illustration.  That equation assumes a steady state, with no growth of interstellar civilizations.  Any ecologist, biologist, or population dynamicist can see that it is utter rubbish.

In reality, once the first civilization achieves interstellar migration (which does NOT require faster-than-light travel or any other exotic technology), it will grow and spread from star to star, just like any other living organism in a rich environment.  The whole galaxy would be thoroughly settled within a few hundred million years.

So we don't need to look hard at all the obscure combinations and far-out places where ET may be... either he's not there at all, or he's right next door and doesn't wish to make his presence known.  We either live in an unpopulated wild, or a nature preserve.  SETI's vision of millions of civilizations, each cooped up in one little star system, is just nonsense that I believe comes from watching too much Star Trek.

I personaly think it's a tad narcisistic to think we are the only inteligent life in the universe. Because the universe is infinite it's actualy quite probale there are other life forms that are capable of asking "why" as we are. The real question is where. In my opinion I think the odds of ETs existing close enough to earth to receive and respond to any message we've sent to date within the forseeable future are pretty steep.
An interesting thread of comments (most of the comments, anyway); but I have not yet seen the central point stated:

There are one of two possibilities - either we are alone in the Universe, or, there is other intelligence out there.

EITHER ANSWER IS EXTREMELY PROFOUND!

Also, there have been many who have commented on this thread that they "know" that life is out there, and others who are equally certain that there isn't.

Neither point is scientific.

We don't know.  We won't know until we look.  

Until we look all we have are S.W.A.G.'s (Scientific Wild-Alec Guesses).  Science does not assume - it investigates.  Otherwise, we would instead be commenting on how we "know" that the Earth is flat, and that the Sun orbits us.


DISCLAIMER - I am an astronomer, working on finding exoplanets (planets that orbit stars beyond our Sun; so far we have found 347 planets).  I do not have any direct connection with SETI, but I watch their work with great interest.
Dont'let this blog die.  It's important.  There's someone out there that has a key idea on cracking the code on this.  It can come from anyone - not just a technical person.  I, for one, believe that we do not need to accept the current explanation.  Open your minds, if they're trying to contact us, there's more than radio waves that can help get us on the right track.  So...who's listening?  :)


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