Billion-dollar pictures

Posted: Friday, March 27, 2009 6:00 PM by Alan Boyle

NASA

Click for video: Backdropped by the thin line of Earth's atmosphere, the
international space station shines in a view captured from the shuttle Discovery.
Click on the image to watch a sped-up video of Discovery's March 25 flyaround.

Is one picture worth a hundred billion dollars? That’s the mostly-in-jest price tag that was put on this week’s portrait of the virtually complete international space station. Pictures may not be the most practical payoff from space exploration, but they’re definitely the biggest crowd-pleasers, as demonstrated by the latest batch of “Month in Space” pictures.

The entertainment value of imagery from the final frontier is just one of the five E's that justify jumping off this planet. The space station is expected to contribute to the other E's as well - for example, through proposed energy-beaming experiments and a host of studies aimed at smoothing the way for future exploration.

When all that research is added to images such as this week's "$100 billion photographs," does that make the estimated cost of the space station project worth it? That sounds like the perfect topic to discuss in the comment section below.

In the meantime, there are lots more billion-dollar pictures to delight in, including some new 3-D views of a Martian dust devil in Spirit's sights, and Opportunity's 360-degree view of its surroundings. You've got to be wearing your red-blue glasses to get the full effect of Resolution Crater, an alien foxhole visible on the right side of Opportunity's panorama.

For those of you who are resolved to adorn your computer desktop with big pictures from space, here are the sources for the images included in the latest "Month in Space" roundup:

Set focus to infinity: Getty Images' Matt Stroshane grabbed a shot of other shooters shooting the shuttle Discovery's launch, and you'll find more fine blasts from the past in our FirstPerson photo gallery.
Out for a walk: NASA's Human Spaceflight Web site shows spacewalker Mike Fincke at work.
Multitude of moons: The Hubble Space Telescope's snapshot of four moons around Saturn one of my favorites. If you like the still image, you'll love the movie - as well as the behind-the-scenes story.
Space spider: The European Southern Observatory's image of the Tarantula Nebula is like a work of abstract art - which gets better when you get closer.
The gamma-ray sky: Can you spot the track of the sun in the Fermi Gamma-ray Space Telescope's full-sky view? Check this labeled version of the picture for the answer.
Ripples on Mars: The HiRISE camera on NASA's Mars Reconnaissance Orbiter provides a surreal, false-color view of Martian sand dunes.
Three's a crowd: Hubblesite is the place to go for bigger views of a three-galaxy crash.
Scorched earth: NASA's Earth Observatory has a satellite close-up of Australia's burned-out national park.
Galaxies in gridlock: The Spitzer Space Telescope snagged a colorful infrared view of two galaxies about to collide. Check out this log posting for more.
Ready to rumble: My, what big thrusters you have! Find out more about billionaire Charles Simonyi's return trip to the space station.
Black hole in her hair: The Web site for NASA's Chandra X-Ray Center has bigger downloads of the Medusa Galaxy and its X-ray glow.
Paints of the pole: Europe's Mars Express provides groovy false-color and perspective views of Rupes Tenuis at the Martian north pole.
Mars' junior moon: HiRISE gives the full treatment to Deimos, the Red Planet's smaller moon. Now it needn't feel inferior to Phobos.
Mesa on a mesa: The story behind HiRISE's picture of the carved-away feature on Mars' Ganges Chasma gets more interesting when you see the bigger picture.
Pastel planet: We've tried to make the Cassini orbiter's picture of Saturn and its shadowy rings as big as we could, but the full-size pictures make it still bigger and better.
Danger zone: Earth Observatory provides a guide to the world's most potentially dangerous volcano, Popocatepetl in Mexico. By the way, keep an eye on Alaska's Mount Redoubt.
A peculiar pair: ESO has the full story on Arp 261, including the story behind the bright star at the bottom of the image and the rainbow streaks toward the top.
Darwin's islands: Think of the Aqua satellite's picture of the Galapagos Islands as a 200th-birthday present for Charles Darwin.
Butterfly in space: In the ESO's picture, the Bug Nebula is too pretty to be called a bug.
Beach Blanket Blastoff: This orange-tinged view of the Kepler probe's blastoff from Cape Canaveral is as delicious as a real Florida orange. Find out more about Kepler's planet-hunting mission.

Finally, here's an update on a story we first told you about last week: I mentioned that Microsoft Research's WorldWide Telescope was getting an upgrade, and that more announcements were on the way. This week NASA and Microsoft announced that the sky-simulation software would incorporate 100 terabytes of the space agency's data - enough to fill 20,000 DVDs - under the terms of a Space Act Agreement. (Microsoft is a partner in the msnbc.com joint venture.)

You can look forward to high-resolution pictures from Mars Reconnaissance Orbiter as well as the yet-to-be-launched Lunar Reconnaissance Orbiter.

"NASA is excited to collaborate with Microsoft to share its portfolio of planetary images with students and lifelong learners," said S. Pete Worden, director of the agency's Ames Research Center at California's Moffett Field. "This is a compelling astronomical resource and will help inspire our next generation of astronomers."

NASA already has a Space Act Agreement with Google for astronomical ventures such as Google Earth and Google Mars - so this new deal means there'll probably be a new dimension to the Microsoft-Google rivalry. And that in turn means it will be easier than ever for space enthusiasts to see NASA's multibillion-dollar imagery.

Update for 6:40 p.m. ET March 28: Here's the high-resolution source for the image of the space station at the top of the item, and here's the full caption. If you click around this photo album, you'll find many more stunning images from the space station flyaround.

Correction for 1 a.m. ET March 29: Yoinks! I typed "Jupiter" instead of "Saturn" for the comment on the "Multitude of Moons" picture. Oh, yeah, Saturn is the one that has the big rings. Thanks to everyone who pointed out the error.

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Comments

Should've called it Trillion dollar pictures! Billion is so 20th century now.

John Joe, Seattle, Wash (Sent Saturday, March 28, 2009 1:21 PM)

I can only think how much farther we would be today if we didn't spend so much on arming small countries and then bombing them for taking it, and propping up giant corporations to make them fall and bailing them out when they do. To see NASA's budget cut for over a decade yet there's still a space station, it warms my heart and I still hope for mankind.

Brandon K., Seattle, WA (Sent Saturday, March 28, 2009 1:23 PM)

...to boldly go...

Brian - Seattle, WA (Sent Saturday, March 28, 2009 1:26 PM)

We have a wasteful government and what can we expect. THE SPACE IS A GIGANTIC WASTE OF MONEY. should have been shut down years ago

wallace garrod albany ga (Sent Saturday, March 28, 2009 1:33 PM)

I support our investment in space interests and exploration completely. Our technology has benefitted in so many ways - think of it as our investment in furthering our knowledge of science. For those who tend to be against it - think of how far behind other modern nations we will be if we do abandon our investments - now think of what predicament we will be in if China and Russia colonize and lay claim to the moon. It may not mean much now but for a lot of reasons, it will in the next two decades.

John, Akron Ohio (Sent Saturday, March 28, 2009 1:35 PM)

How much of the technology we use everyday was first developed at NASA? just asking...

JustAJoe, Pasadena, CA (Sent Saturday, March 28, 2009 1:40 PM)

No NO No it is not we have to get the rest fixed first then OK It is like us spending money in every country of the world when our own people need it WRONG folks you have to take care of yourself before you can help others. Other wise there will be no help when they need it.

Wally Tampa FL (Sent Saturday, March 28, 2009 1:43 PM)

A hundred billion could have gone a long way toward health care and employment opportunities. Pity our leaders are too greedy and stupid to see this.

D. Lee (Sent Saturday, March 28, 2009 1:43 PM)

Donna Alexander, i just love your reply,.....

Are the leaders of this country ever goning to wake up or is America going to just going to contiue to go down the drain because of sheer stupidity?

All i can add on to it is this,..

Hey your all yankees arent you,

just wait and see where your country
will be over 25 years from now,......

floatimg around in space,

perfect way to get rid of you all.

jack somolie, seatle washington. (Sent Saturday, March 28, 2009 1:50 PM)

A hundred billion could have gone a long way toward health care and employment opportunities. Pity our leaders are too greedy and stupid to see this.

D. Lee (Sent Saturday, March 28, 2009 1:50 PM)

My god. In the same way we can't eat money, we can't eat photographs either. When will all those idiots begin to realize that the earth will have burned up or frozen long before we find out whatever it is the heck they think they want to know. Mankind isn't going to wind up in any of these spacey spaces and the pictures don't mean anything to a race on the way out.

D. Lee, Baltimore MD (Sent Saturday, March 28, 2009 1:51 PM)

I get a kick reading all these comments. People wake up you cant just pack a rocket and plan a trip to mars for the weekend. Everything going on daily on ISS we are learning from.Cant have too much knowledge for any other adventures in in the future of the human race. I mean really Humans have only been around for the blink of an eye and look at how much damage we have done to our planet already.

Mark L St Paul MN (Sent Saturday, March 28, 2009 1:52 PM)

100 billion spent in space??? nobody has ever spent one single cent in space. it all gets spent right here in our own backyard for research, construction, and maintainance of cutting edge technology that is currently and will eventually be of inestimable value to ALL right here at home!

boyyyyyyyyle (Sent Saturday, March 28, 2009 1:55 PM)

America and the entire world has reaped amazing benefits from the space program. You can trace the trail of technology from the space program through the aerospace industry to the computer, auto, material sciences, etc. and on and on. It accelerates the development of new technologies that lead to new and better products and industries for the U.S. economy to produce that helps keep us employed.

We can't and do not want to compete as the low cost producer of consumables. We need to be the world's engine of innovation and the challenge of space is one of the great ways to do this. We don't go to space because it's easy or necessary. We go becase it is HARD!

Dave D. St. Louis MO (Sent Saturday, March 28, 2009 2:02 PM)

Can you say giant waste of money??!!! Why not focus on getting to the bottom of the ocean reliably, and safely, we can do a lot more here, not to mention the BILLIONS/TRILLIONS we have wasted on blown up, lost, or non-responsive projects...Let's focus on learning EARTH first before we go into space more...

Brandon, Tucson (Sent Saturday, March 28, 2009 2:03 PM)

"Money could have gone to research or into health care or to the tax payyers out of work. Are the leaders of this country ever goning to wake up or is America going to just going to contiue to go down the drain because of sheer stupidity?":

Sorry to hear about your disability Donna, truly. However you are not the only one with problems, and who could have used that money. Fist of all who knows what advances in medicine could come out of this, second, Do you really think that just because money was not directly spent on you that is serves no purpose? Please. Space flight/exploration can lead to a better life for our decedents, us, and maybe even the Earth itself. Thank God, or whoever that our Government is not spending all of its money on Marxist social welfare projects ( Which I like, actually, as I am a SUNY student. I will admit they could spend the money less wastefully but, what are governments for after all?

Evilbino, Plattsburgh, NY (Sent Saturday, March 28, 2009 2:05 PM)

How long will it be till this Boondoggle starts to make a profit? The govmint' has never done anything that has put money in the American tax payers pocket! They can't even run a Postal system!
Just more PORK AND WASTE!!!!

Dennis Marks (Sent Saturday, March 28, 2009 2:06 PM)

All space exploration should be put on hold till there are no hungry children in America and the education system is revitalized. Somebody (Obama) needs to set our priorities to put our people first!
Who cares if there is water on Mars or what role a black hole plays in the universe when Americans are suffering.

Bob, New Jersey (Sent Saturday, March 28, 2009 2:11 PM)

The logic here is confused. The image did not cost $100B. The station is a platform for Humans to move out into space, and to there destiny.

The U.S. is baling banks to the tune of $3Trillion, and who is concerned about a useful piece of hardware for $100B? The Station has a useful purpose to Humankind. So much has been gleaned from space technology that is of useful purpose here on the Earth.

Does anybody grasp just how large $3T is? Example: It takes light 1-year to travel 6-trillion miles = 1-light year. Light travels at approx. 186,000 miles per SECOND.

aliveinsd (Sent Saturday, March 28, 2009 2:15 PM)

i think the money could be better spent here on earth helping the poor and homeless what they spend on their partys would go a long ways helping the homeless and poor

jesse mckay gerald mo (Sent Saturday, March 28, 2009 2:16 PM)

The purpose of the FEDERAL government, created by the STATES, is NOT to take care of individual persons and provide for their individual welfare, but to provide for the COMMON defense and GENERAL welfare of the UNION -- i.e. a UNION of INDEPENDENT and SOVEREIGN States bound by their own VOLUNTARY act. Yes, this is a CONFEDERATION of States -- NOT some kind of kingdom or empire with the States being its agents. So, for those disabled, homeless and poor people, you need to go to your STATE legislatures and keep your LAWLESS and REPUGNANT wining and complaining out of Washington and stop demanding that the FEDERAL government violate the Constitution and do, and involve itself in, that which it has NO constitutional lawful authority or business. Your personal welfare, medical problems, how much you get paid, whether or not you can afford a house, etc. is none of Washington's damn business.

Jo, Chicago (Sent Saturday, March 28, 2009 2:18 PM)

That's all, $100 billion?

Compare that to the cost of pictures on C-SPAN.

Blackbeered (Sent Saturday, March 28, 2009 2:41 PM)

Science is important, but concerning your question, are those pictures worth trillions?... NO THEY'RE NOT. There is so much imbalance in this present world. It's sickening the way those in powers play God, and use resources to their whims,and the rest of the people have to suffer. I gladly give up lots of the high tech conveniences of this day an time to see people living in dignity, being able to raise their children without struggling like many do today.

Nada King, Elliston, Va (Sent Saturday, March 28, 2009 3:07 PM)

Wow, I can't believe how short sighted people are. Of course it's worth it! Experiments aboard the ISS will benefit us all. Sure, there are hungry people, sure, there are people with medical conditions, but without the ISS there still would be. You want to talk money, talk about the wars. Big savings to be had there. Everyone uses Velcro. Where'd that come from? NASA. Let them do thier jobs, they are the finest minds on the planet, and the ISS is our first step into the great beyond. Americans should appreciate that more than anybody.

Scott Watson, Torrance, CA (Sent Saturday, March 28, 2009 3:24 PM)

Here is the link to the source image of the ISS at the top of the post:

http://www.nasa.gov/images/content/
323162main_s119e010500_hires.jpg

Will Sullivan, Welaka, FL (Sent Saturday, March 28, 2009 3:28 PM)

Lets see-- we got computers from the miiltary and the space program, GPS from the military, the internet from the military, Jet engines from the military, night vision from the military. Humm seems like a good investment to me. Seems like we can expect a lot more from this than anything else the government spends money on. We can not stay on this planet forever.

JB Wheeling OH (Sent Saturday, March 28, 2009 3:30 PM)

I'm glad we are pushing the boundaries of human exploration. Sure, there are always some who will say, "Wah - I want money for XYZ instead!" Well, folks - it's not like the government and plenty of other agencies and organizations don't already make other people's lives better through other financial means. And the ISS is truly a great way for countries across the world to work together for a common goal.

Keep up the great stories Alan - it's great to read this, and this is merely a small investment in the technological feats that will benefit our educational system and citizens as a whole in the years to come. We should all remember that this is an investment in our future - not a "waste of money."

What would be a waste is if we COULD do this, and then didn't. THAT would be a waste - of time, talent, and in our ability to be creative, innovative, and exploratory.

Dave F. - Peotone, IL (Sent Saturday, March 28, 2009 4:35 PM)

I am not against this type of exploration...but I think we need to do some things locally first...work on pollution, energy, health care, waging peace, infrastructure, educaton...get things going more smooth on old planet Earth...then explore and play some..

scott, LA (Sent Saturday, March 28, 2009 5:22 PM)

hi res copy of that picture nao! you selfish man!

[ALAN ADDS: Oops, I should have linked to the high-res version. You'll find the link appended to the original item above.]

new mexico (Sent Saturday, March 28, 2009 5:55 PM)

$100 billion could be better spent on homeless and poor people ? are you crazy ? if you are homeless, it is your fault. get off your butt and find a job. yeah, yeah, yeah, I know all the excuses. it is hard... blah blah blah. whatever. Stop exploring space for 100 years and focus on problems here. You are about as ignorant as the guy that thinks that because a piece of space station is curved it will survive being hit by a piece of junk going 18000 mph.
A lot more than you know comes from the space program and its related programs. It helps people all over the world. Would you rather save the money and give it to a bank that screwed up ?

Ryan, Orlando (Sent Saturday, March 28, 2009 6:01 PM)

well nasa should start building a giant space ship and start using light and plasma ,magnetic energy tecnology or maybe work on a way to send things or objects from 1 place to onother by molecules . but everything has a price. one last thing why xplore our solar system? we already know theres no life here but us . so we should explore other galaxys and try to find our lifesaver or our doom i know for sure that we are not alone .come on all that infinite space for just 1 tiny planet with life called earth yeah right i know theres gotta be more than that im positive

joel delgado cidra puerto rico (Sent Saturday, March 28, 2009 7:26 PM)

To the people who think the space program is a waste of money..Just look around your house and you will see thing's that are a direct result of needing something for the space program that has been adopted into the commercial market.. From your LCD TV's ,cell phones to your computers..So yes the space program is well worth the money..

Greg NY (Sent Saturday, March 28, 2009 7:41 PM)

100 Billion is a cheap price. Once we screw up our planet so it is no longer habitable or is over populated, some of us will need some where else to go. This is the baby steps to achieving the goal of space travel. Maybe not Star Trek, but who knows? Keep up the good work!

Edward Karcher (Sent Saturday, March 28, 2009 7:48 PM)

So $100 billion...
The world cannot afford these luxuries, millions of lives could have been saved from extreme poverty for that amount.
Anyone here heard of africa?

Not a first world country citenzen (Sent Saturday, March 28, 2009 9:02 PM)

I still think "Earthrise" was a better picture, with a lot more science and a better "Bang" for the buck.

agsb (Sent Saturday, March 28, 2009 10:24 PM)

"Multitude of moons: The Hubble Space Telescope's snapshot of four moons around Jupiter is one of my favorites. If you like the still image, you'll love the movie - as well as the behind-the-scenes story."

Uh, I believe that is Saturn.

[ALAN ADDS: Yoinks! Fingers were not attached to brain, or I don't know what brain was doing. Thanks for pointing that out!]

Scott Shields, Pontiac, MI (Sent Saturday, March 28, 2009 10:55 PM)

As far as I know, the only money actually sent into space was in the early years of the Apollo program. An Astronaut took a roll of coins for a ride around the moon. I don’t remember the details but I think it had to do with giving his kids souvenirs. I’m not sure if they do that anymore.

Dave BC WA (Sent Saturday, March 28, 2009 11:54 PM)

The space station should have some purpose to exist besides just existing. If it is doing anything of importance it should be shown to the world rather than just have reports of problems and problems being repaired. Man kind needs to dream and explore but the space station doesn't inspire dreams and it doesn't explore, it just uses up resources without giving anything back to justify the expense.
It isn't needed to forward a trip to Mars or beyond anymore than a parking lot is needed as a place to design cars. It doesn't send us new views of what is going on in the universe, that is being done by telescopes. It hasn't given anyone one usefull thing that can be used here on earth. If the resources wasted on it had been used for a real preperation for a mission to mars we would probably be heading to mars in the next five years and would perhaps develop new techknowledgy that would help us conserve energy here, treat waste, conserve resuorces that are in short supply that are needed for the production of food for the world and last, but not least, technology for taking CO2 out of the air we breath (take that global warming!).

The space station is a total waste of time and money that should be abandoned and sent into a burnout orbit so that it is destroyed before ever hitting anything on the surface of earth. Lets face it, the space station is a overpriced piece of space junk that is doing little if anything that is productive, no new knowledge or technologies or techniques for doing things just a cosmic sponge soaking up money. Deep six it and find something we can do in space that will inspire mankind and improve his lot.

E. A. Nelson Ft. Wayne, indiana (Sent Sunday, March 29, 2009 12:41 AM)

Rakesh Sharma,
its not the first.
Skylab, Mir... nice thought though.

Brandon, Elmer, NJ (Sent Sunday, March 29, 2009 12:48 AM)

Wahh Wahhh wahh, you all are just a bunch of crying babies that the government spent all this money on a space program that IS R&D for just about everything we use today. If you are so worried about the poor or being poor, do something about it. [...]

John Q, Averagetown, USA (Sent Sunday, March 29, 2009 12:57 AM)

Now that we all have seen a nice photo perhaps it is time for the space project to be placed on "Ground Hold" where planning can continue but space exploration cannot.
We need to work on American "ON The Ground" with all the resources we can muster and that includes the space exploration budget.
How much fuel does it take to launch a spacecraft, how much money and how much polution does it create. Points to ponder.
Shouldn't we be worrying more about saving planet Earth.

Karla Wynn (Sent Sunday, March 29, 2009 1:38 AM)

If we truly live in a democracy that is governed by the people than why not put it to a vote whether or not we as a society should continue with space exploration.

Frank Klepeiss Bethlehem Pa. (Sent Sunday, March 29, 2009 9:54 AM)

The official estimate is that if America hadn't done the Apollo program (cost roghly 300 billion in today's dollars) that our economy would be 2 trillion dollars smaller today. I would say thats all the reason we need to fund big space exploration projects. Make no mistake, we are where we are as a nation because of our technology development. There's a lot of other cool reasons to do it too.

Brian Fleming, Alaska (Sent Sunday, March 29, 2009 11:59 AM)

I still think "Earthrise" photo or M-16 (Eagle Nublea) photo produced more emotion than anything the ISS could produce and at a cheaper price.

a p garcia (Sent Sunday, March 29, 2009 1:29 PM)

When I saw that 100 billion for one photo I immediately thought of 100 billion to kill one guy which refers to GW Bush gunning for Sadam Hussein. He got him but the cost has already well exceeded 100 billion. The space station is money well spent and I'm sure has ten times in value to the human race.

john doe seattle wash (liar) (Sent Sunday, March 29, 2009 4:10 PM)

It's so easy to tell the hard hearted space junkies from everyone else. Their brains don't seem to register when it comes to humans. This human race isn't going anywhere. Maybe one or two will make it somewhere to repopulate and never return, but all the rest of us will never know about it. The way the government works, I wouldn't put it past them to lie about it, just to make it seem like it's worth spending all this damn money (on a lost cause). Face it, we haven't found a habitable planet anywhere close enough to earth where we wouldn't die first before reaching it. Give it a damn rest. These space junkies are making great big bucks to continue this so-called research. Do you think they want to give that up? No way baby.

D Lee (Sent Sunday, March 29, 2009 6:04 PM)

I think the upper left solar panel is out of whack tracking the sun, eh?

No engineer will agree with you about this picture. Until all panels are fixed, every engineer worth his/her salt will grimace with that picture.

Now, once that panel gets in sync with the rest, then we're talking.

tonyE (Sent Sunday, March 29, 2009 8:29 PM)

"So $100 billion...
The world cannot afford these luxuries, millions of lives could have been saved from extreme poverty for that amount.
Anyone here heard of africa?"
Yes. Africa is that place where millions of lives *have* been saved as a result of our space program.

Tim Rommes, First World Country (Sent Sunday, March 29, 2009 10:59 PM)

The Space Station is one of only several NASA projects that should be approved. Funding a deep space mission to drill a frozen ocean on Titan is an utter lack of priority - but a local space station is practical.

Perhaps the space station can be used to assist in the most practical space mission there is:

Shooting our waste into space. No, really...

boazjones (Sent Monday, March 30, 2009 3:48 AM)

It's really redundant hearing about the poor and poverty of the world while we spend billions towards space. The poor are poor, if they really want to get a job they can take a shower and find work. I was poor once, I lived in a cheap motel for a few hundred a week and I still was able to find a job at McDonalds. The poor in Africa, I swear people just don't get it. Already we have thrown billions toward helping them out, but what happens? Another warlord with guns and troops, another civil war, so on and so forth. There are people that just wont allow stability, they wont allow the poverty filled villages to have education, they want their power and will do anything and everything to keep it. Its a lost cause.

Our miserable little rock is dying, we killed it. Our race is on the verge of self destruction at the same time of self rejuvenation amongst the stars. Mans destiny has always been to expand beyond the foreseeable horizon, space is that horizon and we will expand.

People complaining about all the spending of money on the ISS being a waste need to take a look at your home. How much crap do you have that you don't need? I have a computer, I have to for work just as my cell phone. But otherwise I have no TV because its a waste, I dont have high end appliances because they are a waste. I have what I need to survive and I pull everything into savings so that when it comes time for me to buy a home, I know I will be able to afford what I am buying instead of getting a mortgage for a house I can only pay part of.

Welfare and healthcare are not nObama's responsiblity, as someone smartly stated earlier it is actually against our Constitution for the government to give handouts like that and control all that. We are individuals under protection of the government, we control them because we vote. Now if everyone hates their policies so much, why are you on here when you should be writing letters to your state representative and legislature? Why are you not calling your politicans who you elected *if you didn't vote then you elected the guy in office* and tell him what YOU want, remember they work for us. The Fed'y government is supposed to defend the Constitution, not make new rules saying they are going to take care of everyone, cradle them in their arms and breast feed the weak. I'm sorry but you all need to wake up, read our Constitution again and get off that couch and see what the world is becoming.

Dan the dirball called Earth (Sent Monday, March 30, 2009 4:55 AM)

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