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Galactica's science guru

Posted: Friday, March 20, 2009 10:05 AM by Alan Boyle


Photo by B. Janine Morison
"Battlestar Galactica" scientific adviser Kevin Grazier takes a seat in a Viper fighter
during a visit to the series' Vancouver set. The series finale airs tonight.

How does a naked singularity work? What happens when a spacecraft gets stressed-out? Answering such questions is all in a day's work for Kevin Grazier, the scientific adviser for the critically acclaimed TV series "Battlestar Galactica."

Over the course of five years, the planetary scientist has figured out how to juggle his day job on the Cassini science team at NASA's Jet Propulsion Laboratory as well as his duties for "Battlestar Galactica" and other sci-fi projects. But even though Galactica is gearing up for its last ride tonight, Grazier still hasn't completely figured out how the spaceship manages to travel faster than light.

"If I knew exactly how it worked, I'd be going to Stockholm for my Nobel," Grazier joked.

Actually, Grazier and his co-author, Wired contributing editor Patrick di Justo, are working out the details of Galactica's FTL drive for a book due to come out this fall, titled "The Science of Battlestar Galactica." The book will also delve into how artificial gravity just might work (using graviton generators?) and discuss how low a population can go before it's doomed.

That last point is particularly germane to "Battlestar Galactica" - which is built on the premise that humanity has become an endangered species, hunted down by the very machines created by humans. The current series is a "reimagining" of the 1978 sci-fi TV series by the same name, but with a darker, post-9/11 tone. (Here's a recap from the start of the current season.)

"'Galactica' discussed in a very frank and open way a lot of things that are relevant for today: terrorism, prisoner torture, abuse of power by the government," Grazier said. Neither side is totally good or totally evil. In fact, the humans occasionally come off as badder bad guys than the humanlike Cylon machines they're fighting - which might lead some viewers to wonder whether this species is worth saving.

The show's strains of moral ambivalence have attracted comparisons to the war in Iraq and, more recently, the stalemate in Gaza. That topicality is no doubt why the United Nations invited the stars and fans of "Galactica" to participate in a panel discussion about the show at U.N. headquarters this week.

"We don't like to confront these issues in our lives, but they are real," Robert Orr, the U.N. assistant secretary-general for policy planning, was quoted as saying in io9's account of the event. "If a show can get us thinking about it and talking about it, then amen, because it isn't easy."

By most accounts, tonight's two-hour finale on the Sci Fi Channel brings the series to a satisfying end, although you can also find a dissenting (spoiler-ish) view. For fans, there will be plenty of tears tonight. "Pretty much everybody has been choked up by it," Grazier told me. "It'll definitely be a case of 'Set Tissues to Defcon 1.'"

But it won't be the end of the 13 Colonies' grand saga. In addition to the Grazier-di Justo book, there's a stand-alone TV/DVD movie in the works titled "The Plan," which tells the Cylons' side of the story (and answers some of the questions that couldn't be resolved in the series finale). Sci Fi has also given the green light for a "Galactica" prequel series, titled "Caprica."

Grazier hasn't yet been asked to consult on "Caprica," but he has more than enough to keep him busy. He's consulting on other TV projects such as Sci Fi's "Eureka," in addition to his day job as a scientist and engineer working on the Cassini mission to Saturn. Right now he and his colleagues at JPL are planning the orbiter's trajectory going out to the year 2017.

This week, Grazier took some time out to discuss "Galactica" science, including two of the more recent plot twists: A few episodes ago, Galactica's crew discovered that the battlestar was starting to break apart, and they tried to use a biomaterial developed by the Cylons to strengthen the ship's hull. Then, in last week's installment, scouts from Galactica located the Cylons' main colony, right in the middle of an accretion disk swirling around a naked singularity. All this sets the scene for tonight's series-ending battle.

Here's an edited transcript of the Q&A:

Cosmic Log: Now we know that the Cylon colony is orbiting a naked singularity - is there anything you had to deal with scientifically to get the details right?

Kevin Grazier: The original script I saw from Ron [Moore, the show's executive producer and the writer for the final episodes] already had the colony in the accretion disk of a black hole, a singularity. And as far as it being called a naked singularity, I think that Ron was really trying to avoid the use of the word "black hole." I don't know why, this is just an impression. But as far as the black hole being a naked singularity, the way it's written, it's not really integral to the plot. An accretion disk is an accretion disk. It's a good place to put a colony, if you don't mind getting hammered by the occasional impact. It's not a place that's easy to attack. It's easily defensible, let's put it that way.

Q: I suppose the thing about using the term "black hole" is that people have a particular image of a black hole, and the writers wanted to avoid that whole issue of worrying about falling into the black hole.

A: The fact of the matter is that people believe a black hole is this all-sucking object that gulps down anything in its path or nearby, and you can't orbit it. But you can. As long as you're far enough away, you can orbit and be fine - at least, gravitationally. Now, Starbuck did mention that if you get close enough, the tidal stress will tear Galactica apart - and given its compromised state, that's not unreasonable. But the fact that you can orbit a black hole, I think, is counterintuitive to many people.

Q: So I guess that would be a bit of an astronomy lesson for some people.

A: Indeed. And, you know, a naked singularity is a black hole without an event horizon. I included a discussion of the event horizon in my notes for the show. If the singularity does have an event horizon, and an event horizon is the distance at which the escape velocity becomes the speed of light, what are the implications for FTL-capable ships?

Q: What did you have to say on that point?

A: I said that we'd have to worry about the tidal stresses long before the event horizon becomes an issue. You can jump away. ... My point is that we sometimes discuss things in greater detail than you'll ever see on screen.

Q: Another twist that came out in the most recent shows had to do with the Cylon biomaterial that was being painted onto Galactica's hull. Were there any details you had to address there?

A: We didn't really go into great detail. I did do some research on that to see whether there way anything I could add, and there wasn't much. There is a lot of research being done into coatings on vehicles that could heal scratches, things of that nature.

My feeling is that if there's something that we're developing right now, at our level of technology, then, when the Cylons are thinking about it, they have their CPUs running 24/7. We have to sleep, we have to recreate, we have to go home and eat. So if the Cylons think about it, they may be able to move in technological directions much faster than we can. "If they think about it" - that's a key caveat. Intuition, ingenuity is something that is hard to accomplish when it comes to artificial intelligence.

Q: Are there other scientific issues that either gave you fits on "Battlestar," or that you feel proudest about?

A: There are a lot of things that I was really happy about. Sometimes they're only a blip on the screen. In my notes, I pointed out that Galactica would probably break up in "the Adama Maneuver" [which involved having the battlestar fall through the atmosphere over a planet called New Caprica]. I said I'd be remiss in my job of science adviser if I didn't point out that Galactica would break up in that situation. I didn't care what it was made of, any advanced material would still break up. It's just too big. Like the shuttle Columbia, it would shatter into a million pieces.

After that, when we find out that Galactica is in fact breaking up, I said, "Please, please include the fact that the jump into New Caprica could have done this on its own." And in fact that's implied in what Chief Tyrol says to Adama. I'm glad that got in. It says, "We didn't forget this."

Another example shows how people have been poisoned by years of bad sci-fi. In one episode, we had Tyrol and his wife Cally in an airlock. The airlock was closed inside and it was slowly leaking, and they're now looking at dying and leaving behind an orphan. The solution was to set off the explosive bolts and blow them into a waiting Raptor. Now, people who saw "Outland" or "Total Recall" said that everybody knows they'd explode. While people who saw "Sunshine" said, ah, it's too cold. They'd freeze. But neither of those things would happen.

They wouldn't burst. If you had air in your lungs, where's it going to go? Would it burst out of your chest, or would it take the path of least resistance and go out your mouth? Small things like blood vessels might burst, and your eardrums, too - and that's exactly what we see. Cally had blood vessels burst in her eyes. And you'd get the bends, which is also what we see. She's in a hyperbaric chamber, and the next day you see Tyrol moving really slowly because the bends impacted the joints. That was one case where we portrayed it correctly, and people who are used to seeing it done wrong trashed it - and quite vehemently sometimes.

Q: That episode reminded me of the movie "2001," where I think they did handle the effects of exposure to space vacuum correctly.

A: They did, and some people pointed that out. But it was drowned out by the noise on some of the boards that I read.

Another thing that we did was very subtle. At the beginning of the season, Kara shows up after supposedly dying, and she says she had a vision: The path to Earth leads through what she sees as a trinary star, a gas giant with rings, and a comet. But when you first see the vision, you don't see the rings. Later, when she's painting a picture, this time she's painting rings, and the trinary star that this planet is orbiting is occulted.

Think back to Cassini's image of the E and G rings with Saturn occulting the sun. Rings that are made of very fine particles scatter light forward, and can't be seen in what we call backscatter light. They're best seen with the sun occulted. So one of the writers came to me and said, "We need something in space that looks like one thing from one direction, and something different from another direction." And that's what it ended up being.

Q: There's an example where you must have felt as if worlds were colliding, in that your work on Cassini shed light on your work on "Battlestar."

A: "Shed light"? Pun partially intended? If I can use something from my experience, I will. I took particular delight in using that in "Galactica." And I'll tell you another fact. While it was never used in a spoken line, the word "Cassini" did appear in the script. "We see the rings of this planet, just like Cassini did..." Which was satisfying.

Interestingly enough, right after I started on the show, we had an episode where one of our pilots gets shot down on a "Titan-like moon orbiting a Saturn-like planet." And the motivation for that? Not me! It was one of the writers. It turns out that they're regular science fans in addition to being science-fiction fans.


For more about "Galactica" science, check out Grazier's blog posts on the Cinema Spy Web site. And feel free to chime in with your thoughts on sci-fi science or the "Battlestar Galactica" finale in the comment section below.

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The jump drives in the galatica universe would not necessarily be an faster than light drive, at least in the special relativity violating sense.  I always figured it was opening up a short lived workhole and "exchanging" the space in one location for another.
Faster than light travel has been discovered from observations in particle accelerators. It turns out that the speed of light is only a top speed for atoms. Subatomic physics and wormholes provide for super-light velocity. A hydrogen atom provides the maximum 'resolution' achiavable by molecules. As such molecules have a top speed which we see as the speed of light.
I am very much looking forward to the final episode.  This whole series I think is very underrated.  It is definately on par with Star Trek.  I am hoping this isn't the end.  Maybe a movie?
I always assumed their FTL drives were a hyperspace kind of thing ('Hyperspace' being a fourth spatial dimension, which works mathmatically, though it may or may not have anything to do with the real world...but maybe that and creating a momentary traversable wormhole are just two different ways of saying the same thing.)

Though the observation that a lot of mechanical action is involved (I thought 'spooling up' was a figurative expression for preparing for a jump, but it seems pretty literal, after all) to do something that *somehow* alters space-time seems kind of...steampunkish to me.

I've also had the nagging question of how, except for FTL, generated gravity and (at least semi-)reactionless drives, why their technology is otherwise no better than anything we could do today? (I *hate* to phrase it this way, I know full well it's an apples and oranges comparison, but if they can colonize interstellar space, why can't they cure cancer?)

But hey, it's exotic, currently unproven physics. A lot of space stories need it and I'm okay with that. Yes, make it sound halfway reasonable, just don't look at it *too* closely...


"Now, people who saw "Outland" or "Total Recall" said that everybody knows they'd explode."

They should take their lesson from '2001: A Space Odyssey,' instead. Clarke and Kubrick referred to Air Force research to satisfy themselves that that was a physically possible scene.

"Maybe a movie?"

There *is* talk of a prequel, set on Caprica...

I never really liked this hokey show much, can't figure out why the popularity..same with SG-1. The stupid jerky hand-held camera zooming-in-and-out stuff that was supposed to be cool was just annoying, plots were dumb, acting sub-par. You want to see a quality sci-fi series watch Enterprise, a little-known gem of a show.
I think NBC blew it. When the writer strike was on they should have moved the series to prime time on NBC. The writing is so much better then 99% of the shows out there. If Lost and Hero's can attract a big audience Galactica could have.

Didn't the "Adama Maneuver" entail a high speed descent by Galactica through the atmosphere towards New Caprica's surface to release Vipers, then jumping away - to the amazement of Tyrol and Tigh - as opposed to the opposite of materializing above the surface? The Vipers released into sheets of flame caused by friction from the descent.

[ALAN ADDS: Mark, you're correct. If you look at the linked video, there's a "jump" flash high in the atmosphere, then a cut back down to Tyrol and Tigh, and then a cut back to Galactica falling like a flaming rock, and releasing the Vipers, then a jump out. I've revised the way that I referred to the maneuver in the item to emphasize the fiery descent rather than the initial materialization part of it. Your comment rightly pointed out that the most dangerous part of the maneuver was the descent (not to mention the heavy flak).]

I am one of the people who thought this was a VERY well done show.  It will be missed.  I have my DVR set to catch the last show.  I will be going over it slowly not wanting to miss a thing.

John D' - I would go to a Battle Star movie!
Jono from Vancouver-

Please explain how subatomic particles or something generated in a particle accelerator can travel faster than the speed of light.

References please-
And to think, ding dong Glen Larson wanted nothing to with Battlestar Galactica and was po'd at Richard Hatch for hounding him for years on doing a new series. it got to the point where Hatch was goig to try and get the rights away form Larson. I'm glad to see that everyone came to their senses and gave us, the fans, a truly great revised version. I hope they continue with movies and the spin off, Caprica, is just as cool.
My big question is why no Directed Energy Weapons?

We are on the cusp of that right now.
Definitely a keeper in the same vain as Star Trek.

Gonna miss ya Kara!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Science fiction is supposed to be creative. Why couldn't the producers come up with something better than a remake?  They turned a campy scifi show into a freaking soap opera.
I have been watching this series since the beginning, WONDERFUL serries, I hate to see it end after only 5 seasons.  
hmmm - now that the impostor series has ended, maybe Richard Hatch will finally be able to revive the REAL Battlestar Galactica series
So, if I'm going faster than the speed of light, how does my brain function (considering electromagnetic waves are limited to the speed of light by their very composition)?  Or is it that damn "bubble" thing again?
Lorn Green rolls in his grave every week on this one - complete and utter garbage.
So the underlying story line of BSG is "we've got some pretty bad dudes after us...let's head off to a vastly undeveloped colony so they can wipe out the entire human race"?

NUTZ.
If you were in an airlock on a space ship and were expelled into space, this is what would happen.
You would instantly freeze solid. The air in your lungs, the gases in your body, wouldn't have time to escape.
At the same time, your body would burn through from radiation.
The temperature of deep space approaches absolute zero. Try pouring a vat of liquid nitrogen over yourself and see how long it takes for you to freeze solid.
Space is filled with radiation.
Try standing at ground zero at a nuclear bomb test site and see how long it takes for your body to burn through.
I have been watching BSG since the start of the Mini, I recently on my spare time have been going back over the other seasona again, I actually am on Kobal's Last Gleaming part 2 as of last night. Now with the finale at hand, I am truly sad. On other blogs I have seen people side with the Zarek-Gaeta mutineers, think that Roslin should have been killed off seasons ago, that the skin-jobs dont deserve to be in the fleet. All kinds of opinions that go every which way.

I appreciate the show for its realism. Comparing it to Enterprise? Come on, Enterprise was another way for the Star Trek franchise to make more money, it went backwards in time but didnt change anything. BSG is real people with real problems set over the backdrop of extinction. What show can you see marriages rise and fall, kids who aren't whos we think they are, slave trade, military coups. Most scifi shows put either an evil spin or a bright shiny spin on things. Star Trek...we are the good guys we cannot do bad things, we must follow the directive. Galactica, frak-em they are toasters.

As for the scientific aspect of the show, i appreciate how in detail the writers get, they make every show worth watching. I would rather a show be more realistic with a few bending of reality, than a show of lasers and teleporters, things that are completely improbable or impossible. FTL is a stretch, but everyone knows in order to travel in space we are going to have to some day have a 'jump' drive. Their no use of lasers and blasters? I think thats awesome, conventional kinetic weapons and missles, perfect...a laser should kill in one shot, a bullet....well Anders lived didnt he?
Maybe it's just the aircraft mechanic in me, but did anyone else notice that the "escape" lever on the Viper this dude is sitting in is nothing more than an aviation top of wing fuel cap?
This is by far the best sci-fi show ever on t.v.. Star Trek? Puhleeze! What the heck were "Tribbles"? I admit that I was concerned when this first came out because I was a big fan of the "old" Battlestar. But this one just blew the others out of the sky. Sad to see it go. Hope it ends better than "The Sopranos".
Just saw the final episode.  It ended much better than most.  Wlll miss this show.
There was a recent news item, about three months ago I think, that theoretical physicists are now hypothesizing -- basically, working in mathematical theory only, at this point -- that certain "particles" (whatever) can travel only below the speed of light and others can travel only above the speed of light -- kind of like the speed of sound creating a sound "barrier".  There is also the peculiar quality that electrons have that allows them to disappear frome one spot and reappear instantly in another; it's called tunneling, and is an applied science when it is used in a scanning tunneling  microscope.  It's used to show 3-dimensional images of a sample.
I enjoyed this remake of the BSG show.  The writers, actors and crew were obviously dedicated to making it work, which it did. I sometimes missed an episode, but never felt that I was "out of the loop" the way I did with "Lost", which left you behind; if you missed one episode, you never got caught up, so I lost interest in it. Everything was well done, right up to the very end with those creepy Honda robots. When I saw that, I lost it right there and laughed so hard I scared the living daylights out of my cat Mikey.
That was a FANTASTIC series.  Great writing, great acting and great special effects; you can't ask for anything more than that.  I'll miss it and am looking forward to the spin-offs.  I think Richard Hatch will agree that this one can't be topped!
FTL (faster than light) particles are a theoretical possibility. They are commonly referred to as 'Tachyons'. Hypothetically, they cannot move at sub-luminal speeds at any time. Detecting them and confirming their actual existence, would be a significant challenge, that as far as I know, we haven't been able to achieve.
I'm an engineer and a scientist, and I've read every novel written by most SciFi writers worth reading, along with a many Fantasy authors.

The SciFi and Fantasy genres are so intertwined that it makes some works difficult to critique from a scientific standpoint.  We don't critique Tokein's work scientifically - we look at it in terms of how it resonates with our experience of human nature, history, and drama.  Fantasy is fantasy.

Clarke's work is hard SciFi, so the science comes first, and the story must flow from that.  He did an excellent job and is one of my favorite authors, but his work often lacked the human and political element that Asimov mastered (that's why I think some of his best works were collaborations with other authors, like the Rama sequels).

Then there are works like Star Wars (the "space opera") which are based on such profoundly historical plotlines (study some Roman or Nazi history) that they resound with us dramatically.  Since they are set in space we see them as SciFi, and we complain about the sound of exploding ships being heard in a vacuum, or sabers made of lasers.  But Star Wars isn't about science - it's about humanity, politics, and intrigue.  When you realize that, you can shut up and enjoy the drama.

I've been watching the new Battlestar Galactica series since the mini-series, and it offered something different.  It was a space opera that focused on characters and intrigue (the way Asimov did), politics and conflict (the way did), religion (like Frank Herbert in his Dune series, So Say We All), and yet still managed to commit to a hard sci-fi stance that allowed us science-types to remain credulous most of the time.

I enjoyed Star Trek Enterprise - but as a work of fantasy set in space.  The drama was great, the characters and acting were good enough, but the scientific realism was as lacking as most Star Trek series.  Tachyons aside, they're all space operas, and I enjoy them for what they are.

FTL and artificial gravity may be possibiliies, but at least Laura Roslin wasn't using homeopathic treatments for her cancer.  I had objections initially, but a race of humans so advanced so as not to suffer from disease or battle wounds would make a rather boring drama.

So if you want hard SciFi, read scientific journals. If you want drama, watch Sex in the City.  If you like both, understand the compromises that must be made, suspend your disbelief, and try to enjoy it.  Battlestar Galactica has done a great job overall on all accounts.
I have been watching & reading Science Fiction since the 60's and one of the things I have liked most is the way it paves the way for science advances. Who cares if you like Enterprise or Eureka better than Battlestar Galactica. The purpose is served by any book or show which causes us to think in ways that we do not normally think and dream of possibilities that may not otherwise occur. I'm just glad that there is programing available that is not a reality series!
I have been a huge fan of this series, as well as the original BSG in the 70s, since its beginning, and always hated the long wait between seasons.  Although I'm also a very big fan of all the Star Treks and Star Wars etc, I particularly liked this show because it did seem to paint a more realistic picture of humanity and science.  It shows us as we really are - not all-good or all-evil, just varying shades of gray between the two extremes. The photography also impressed me; whereas many sci-fi shows try to impress you with the vastness of their starships by always showing them in close-up mode (and of course the deep rumbling bass sound emanating from their engines...in the vacuum of space...whatever), THIS show gave a much better view of the vastness of SPACE with scenes of pixel-sized vipers against the backdrop of the Galactica, which itself was dwarfed by the space around it.  Excellent stuff...

I have been very dissappointed by one issue in the last few episodes though.  Perhaps I missed a critical explanation of this, but it seems to me that if Cavil and the other Cylons knew the human fleet's location (which they had to have known in order to send Boomer to deliver Helen and kidnap Hera), why didn't they then jump the entire Cylon fleet there as soon as Boomer nabbed Hera and finish off humanity once and for all?  To me, this seems like a gaping hole in the story arch, and by leaving it unaddressed, it left me feeling that the writers lowered their standards a bit for the last season -- kind of like they had already started giving up on the series too early.
Still, I will deeply miss this show.
I'm ready for "Battlestar Galactica the Movie"
"You would instantly freeze solid."

Um...why?

The only way heat can be gained or lost in a vacuum is via radiation (no, not *ionizing* radiation, I'm talking mostly infra-red, unless you're hot enough to glow visibly, in which case, you have a whole other set of problems...) Starting at body temperatures, that's going to be a slow process. You'll simply asphyxiate long before it even begins to matter.


"The air in your lungs, the gases in your body, wouldn't have time to escape."

Nonsense. You've obviously never belched or farted. All the cavities in your body can vent to the outside in plenty of time...and the slower the surrounding pressure drops, the less it matters. Dissolved gases, especially nitrogen will begin to come out of solution in the blood, JUST as they can for divers, so the Bends are a real possibility, but again, lack of oxygen will have killed you before that matters, either.

Going from 1 atmosphere to zero very quickly, will no more make you pop like a balloon, than going just as quickly from 2 atmospheres to one.

"At the same time, your body would burn through from radiation."

Exactly what sort of radiation are you referring to that can suddenly 'burn you through,' yet be protected by a spacesuit?

"The temperature of deep space approaches absolute zero."

See above. It will take quite some time to radiate down to that temperature. And that assumes you're far from any source of radiant light and heat. The Sun, reflected light from Earth (there's a *reason* Shuttle orbiters face their heat radiators away from Earth) or from the surrounding Lunar surface, if that's where you are.


"Try pouring a vat of liquid nitrogen over yourself and see how long it takes for you to freeze solid."

And that heat transfer will occur by *conduction.* A vacuum, obviously isn't filled with liquid nitrogen. (although vacuum spaces surrounding an LN2 container [dewar] helps cryofluids stay that way for long periods...ever owned a Thermos[tm] bottle?)

"Space is filled with radiation."

Your point? If you mean stuff like cosmic rays, a spacesuit is minimal protection, anyway (the spaceship itself may not be adequate). Exposure to hard solar ultraviolet is no good for your skin...but again, you'll be too dead from lack of oxygen long before sunburn or skin cancer happens.

"Try standing at ground zero at a nuclear bomb test site and see how long it takes for your body to burn through."

Try standing 20 miles away, and your only risk might be flashbulb-like dazzle to the eyes. The entire universe hasn't been at the temperature of a nuclear detonation since the first few seconds after the Big Bang. The Sun is in a constant state of nuclear fusion, yet here we comfortably are, 93 million miles from it, and in Earth orbit, you're no closer.

Make up your mind, is deep space cold, or like a nuke at ground zero? You cannot have it both ways.

Anyway, here's more of the real scoop:

http://www.geoffreylandis.com/vacuum.html

http://imagine.gsfc.nasa.gov/docs/ask_astro/answers/970603.html

I always invisioned the FTL drives more as "folding" space then actually propelling the Galactica and other ships faster than light - which is why the 'traveling' almost seemed instantaneous - other than the miniseries and part of "33."  The FTL spooled up to allow the Galactica and other ships the ability to bend space / time around it - so they were able to jump to the new coordinates almost instantaneously.  The range of the ships (the Red Line referenced in the mini series) could be the max distance of space the ship was able to fold.  Just my two cents.
I can't believe all the people who are so into the old 1978 show are Comparing and Banging on the new BSG show! I loved the original, but that was 30 years ago! Time to move on, they updated BSG and they did a very, very fine job of it! I mean there is the complete original old BSG on DVD for sale, no one is forcing you to watch the new BSG, so why and Slag us just because we like the new BSG better!?
Even Kevin Grazier would have to agree that it is a physical impossibility to do banked turns in space. Doing dog fight battles in space in fighter craft is effectively impossible. But sci-fi shows must have them anyway.
On the Adama maneuver: my main problem with it was launching the Vipers. We've seen in the show they're really not that tough, bullets tear through them after all.  The shearing forces around Galactica as it plummeted through the atmosphere would have surely vaporized them as they left the launch tubes, and yes, Galactica itself would have possibly broken up.  However, that scene was about the coolest thing I've ever seen on film.  It's a sci-fi show, who cares if it wasn't plausible for us given our current technology.  It was a great frakking scene!

As for the exposure to the vaccum of space thing.  I'm surprised no one has mentioned that Dr. Crusher gave Lt. Laforge a perfect explaination of edxactly what a body would go through under decompression on Start Trek TNG just before they opened up a shuttle bay they were satanding in.

Thank you to everyone that worked on BSG.  Truly one of the best Sci-Fi shows I've ever seen.
I'm not sure I agree with the assertion that the Adama Maneuver would have caused Galactica to break up in the same way as Columbia because execution of the Adama Maneuver doesn't require orbital velocities.  Galactica could have jumped in New Caprica's atmosphere at zero velocity relative to the ground below, and merely dropped, accelerating until reaching terminal velocity, which would likely have been less than the speed of sound.  Orbital ships, on the other hand, enter the atmosphere at orbital velocities, which pose a whole host of new problems.

In other words, I see the Admama Maneuver as being just like Space Ship One's simple up-and-down suborbital flight, but without the "going-up" part.
best fraking Sci Fi show ever

I never like the show from get go. frist it abandon hard science, and secondly it had wome play the tradictional role of men ( starbuck and boomer) , nah that could never work. And to top it of the made the cylons grilly. come on what was ronne more thinking.

I look in on it on it at about three or four show a YEARS and was continously disappointed   show  after show.

Next they gave us a Dead Earth wow  talk about a let down.

I believe hollywood need some freah minded  sci fi thinker to really  really produce some new and exciting picture. THIS IDEA OF REMAKES SHOW HOLLYWOOD IS EITHER LACKING IN TALENTED SCIFI CREATIVE OR RUNNING OUT OF IDEAS.

In my oppinion , itwould have been better if the maker had just created they own story and not create a soap oprea out of sci fi.  That for stay at home people out like as the world trun and day of our lives and the bold and beutiful. This latest Battle star Galactica fit right in with those kinda crappy shows . I just hated it form start to finish. It never appaeal to real sci fi fan, but to soap oprea fan base. thats the greatest disappointment of all.
The Adama Manuver is quite possible.  Brian W, TX is absolutely right because Galactica jumped into the atmosphere rather than decending trough it, it would have avoided the external friction, heat and shearing forces of an obital decent.  

Why are we trying to explain everything with our current level of technology when these folks are supposed to be at least 150,000 years more advanced than us.  FTL drives, techno organic life forms, interplanitary travel theses are things we still dream about.  But ins't that the point of Science Fiction?  Correct me if I'm wrong the writers never gave an explanation of what material Galactica was made of.  I do recall galactica taking a hit from a nuke during the initial mini series.

All in all this was a good show but i do have some problems with the survivors foregoing all technology to start over.  Give me a break, I can't get my wife to give up her Blackberry for a day.  That was totally crazy.  The writers should have landed them in the middle of the Atlantic where Atlantic was supposed to be therefore tying Galactica into the whole Atlantic myth.  Then show them ultimately sinking into the sea.
This was the best science fiction series ever. I would like to see this series continue on earth. Wouldn't you like to see how these various civilizations collide in pre history?
A shame that they didn't also have MILITARY consultants.  A "back door" to an armory is a troubling concept....
One of the spacecraft in the post-ftl jump fleet looks like it has a Bussard ramjet.  Why does a ramjet have an FTL drive when there are obviously spacecraft (the "left behind") that don't?  and why do Cylon fighters have wings (go into atmospheres and a mass waste the rest of the time.  And why do cylon fighters only pull human-ok 'G' forces in their turns?
why didn't they have the robot dogs?  and what about the people eating bee people?
The writers should have landed them in the middle of the Atlantic where Atlantic was supposed to be therefore tying Galactica into the whole Atlantic myth.  Then show them ultimately sinking into the sea.
Alex L, N.O, LA (Sent Sunday, March 22, 2009 10:36 PM)

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or show them helping the ancient egyptians buildig the great pyramids, to support the idea they were built by aliens.
I've been hooked on the series from the first time I heard about the show. I've seen every episode and I couldn't get enough of it. If anything the visual effects reminded me of Babylon 5. While I give great praise to the show's special effects, The writing was above anything I had previously seen. The show focused less on a spicific plot and was instead focused on the characters and their development given the difficulties put before them.

I've read some of the postings of people that hated the show yet they were making references to the show through many seasons. I've never heard of dislking a show so much I had to keep watching it, LOL. I've also read how some people don't like how different it is from the old show from the 1970's. Would it really be that entertaining of a show if every episode had some small plot that had no impact to the theme of the show, and had a cookie cutter repeat battle with the cylons stuffed in the middle? That's not writing, that's just hashing out a story to keep the show on the air.

I do have one problem with the series ending, it never really answered what happened to Starbuck. How she apparently came back from the dead in a mint new viper. Or how she found her own burt body in the remains a viper on Earth. It just showed her talking to Lee and then she was disapeared. She wasn't a hallucination because she could physically do things like shoot cylons. It was just left an open mystery.

But regardless, it was a great series that dove into the philosophical question of what does it mean to be human.
I happily accepted BSG for what it was… an oasis of thought provoking entertainment in a desert of “reality shows”. Like the show or not - you have to admit it was at least better than the shoe scrapings offered by others and gave everyone 5 years of fresh air  while wallowing in the cesspool that  the current lack of imagination within the industry. Recycling an old idea worked in this instance. No to well for shows like Knight Rider or any of the CSI clones.
"why didn't they have the robot dogs?"

The Daggits? Probably considered them too corny. I did. And there was no signifigant child character like Boxey. Besides, in the more Cylon-paranoid world of the new series, is anyone going to trust a robot pet? (the daggits were chimpanzees in costume, BTW))


"and what about the people eating bee people?"

Uh, I don't remember that, but it appears that part of the ground rules for the new BSG were: No aliens.



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