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Ending the war on science?

Posted: Monday, March 09, 2009 7:10 PM by Alan Boyle


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President Obama wins applause Monday after signing an
executive order on stem cell research. Among the onlookers are
two Nobel laureates: Energy Secretary Steven Chu and Harold
Varmus, who is co-chairman of Obama's science advisory council.

President Obama made good on a campaign promise today by announcing a plan to raise the level of scientific integrity in policymaking - but the guy who is supposed to flesh out the plan is still stuck in Senate confirmation limbo.

Word about Obama's presidential memorandum on scientific integrity came as the president signed a separate executive order loosening the White House's limits on stem cell research.

"Promoting science isn’t just about providing resources - it is also about protecting free and open inquiry," Obama said during today's signing ceremony. "It is about letting scientists like those here today do their jobs, free from manipulation or coercion, and listening to what they tell us, even when it’s inconvenient - especially when it’s inconvenient. It is about ensuring that scientific data is never distorted or concealed to serve a political agenda - and that we make scientific decisions based on facts, not ideology."

Alan Leshner, chief executive officer of the American Association for the Advancement of Science, told The Associated Press that the turnout for the ceremony included "more happy scientists than I've seen" at the White House during his 30 years in Washington.

Doug Melton, who is the co-director of the Harvard Stem Cell Institute as well as the father of two children with Type I diabetes that could possibly be treated with stem cells, said he welcomed today's developments as "an enormous relief and a time for celebration."

"Science thrives when there is an open and collaborative exchange, not when there are artificial barriers, silos, constructed by the government," Melton said in a statement.

Obama's predecessor, George W. Bush, came under criticism throughout his White House tenure for letting political leanings dictate federal policy on issues ranging from embryonic stem cells to environmental policies. There's a long list of horror stories, including the tales told about climate researcher Rick Piltz and wildlife biologist Andy Eller, as well as accounts from researchers at the U.S. Geological Survey and at NASA and the National Oceanic and Atmospheric Administration.

Today's memo calls on the director of the White House's Office of Science and Technology Policy to draw up a detailed plan over the next 120 days to make sure officials who deal with science and technology policy are selected because of their expertise rather than their politics. The plan also would seek to ensure that all the findings on which policy decisions are based will be made public, and that appropriate protections will be extended to "science whistleblowers" who question the basis for those decisions.

The memo makes good on a promise included in Obama's responses to a Science Debate 2008 questionnaire. Chris Mooney, author of "The Republican War on Science," said the memo breaks new ground by putting the White House's top science adviser in charge of guaranteeing scientific integrity at every federal agency. "It sounds like the people in the Cabinet will need to talk to him like an equal," Mooney said.

During the previous administration, White House science adviser John Marburger often seemed to be cast as an apologist for Bush's science policies rather than a watchdog, Mooney said. "Either Marburger or the agency would say, 'No, we didn't do anything wrong. This is standard agency procedure,'" he said.

"It's a different situation now. ... There are going to be rules, things you can't do - and at least nominally, that's more than the Bush administration did," Mooney added.

The only problem is that Obama's nominee for science adviser, Harvard physicist and climate expert John Holdren, hasn't yet been confirmed by the Senate. Neither has marine researcher Jane Lubchenco, Obama's choice to head NOAA.

The reasons for the delay are murky: Any senator can put a hold on a confirmation vote, and for a time it looked as if the culprit was Sen. Robert Menendez, D-N.J. But late last week, Menendez's office told Talking Points Memo that the senator was no longer standing in the way. So who is?

Lubchenco has faced some criticism from Eastern fishing interests, but it's Holdren who has generated the most controversy. Some worry that Holdren holds extreme views on the global climate crisis, and that science policies might be slanted to fit those views. That's made him a lightning rod for commentators sounding the alarm about a "Democrat War on Science."

Mooney addressed those worries in a Science Progress blog posting in December and is keeping an eye on the controversy. In Mooney's view, the opposition is a political reaction to the years of criticism that Bush faced on the integrity issue. "What could be more obvious than to try to do a 180 and flip it, and say, 'No, it's Obama who's trying to get political'?" Mooney said.

For whatever reason, Holdren's appointment remains on hold - and thus Obama's plan for improving scientific integrity may have to be put on hold as well.

You'll find a variety of perspectives on Obama's policies from the National Academies, from TierneyLab at The New York Times, from Commonweal and the Union of Concerned Scientists. Feel free to weigh in with your own comments below.

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How about Embryonic Earth cells?
There must be Primordial Ooze still bubbling somewhere.
Could we transplant forests?
Or, even better, clone a new Earth while we are at it.
Let it grow as an appendage on Mars for a few eons...and voila!
Life begins when brain waves start and ends when brain waves cease.
"Life begins when brain waves start and ends when brain waves cease."
Kassie Lee

What a small-minded view.

The vast majority of life, whether measured by number of species or amount of time in existence or amount of biomass, do not have any brains or "brain waves" (whatever it is you mean by that).

No, EMPIRICAL EVIDENCE of life begins when brain waves start and ends when brain waves cease. Even atheists like Sartre were forced to make the distinction between the phenomonological mind and consciousness.

The problem is that science, on its own, only makes observations, and creates probable explanations of causation based upon empirical evidence. It has never attempted, nor is it qualified, to offer a moral philosophy of life. Many, however, wishing to forward a skeptical, nihilistic morality hide behind science's disinterested empiricism (something science must maintain to continue plying observations and experimentation). Whether Barack Obama (or, rather, those who write the policy statements he will sign into executive mandate) intends to promote pure science or the ideologies many advance under the aegis of pure science has yet to be seen.
The problem with being science driven and taking "politics" out of it is that science has no say on morality. Morality can't be sampled in a test tube, or derived thru an equation. Taken to its conclusion science would dissect a live human beings to learn better how they work. Without morality that end would seem purely justified by the scientific benefit.
Politics and morality should not try override the findings science makes based on research, but the value judgments that drive our policy, how we conduct science and what we do with the results should be tempered by morality. Politics is our collective moral voice in a democracy.
this will just be a new war on science....from the left instead of the right.

politicians and science don't mix.
"raise the level of scientific integrity"...wow.
The Nazi Mengele was a scientist too. Would want ethics to get in the way of his work now would we? Lets call an embryo what it really is. Its a baby.
Typical MSNBC drivel: Boyle offers two direct quotes from Democrats, none from Republicans. With folks like this on board, MSNBC is rapidly becoming the Wikipedia of Journalism.
I though Obama said determining the moment life began was above his pay grade. If he doesn't know when life begins...wouldn't that make his statements somewhat  uninformed?

All life is God's we haven't the right to interfere. We were merely appointed as care takers. Destroying His creation is something that we will all have to answer for. Only God has the right and power to take life.
"Ending the war on science?" There is no war on science. There was consideration of ethics in science. But I guess that consideration has taken a back seat now. I have friends that are paralyzed, and I want them to be healed. But not at the expense of even more human lives. Remember, "Whatever you do to the least of me, you do to me."
It is not that we shouldn't pursue, in every way that is good and pure, the most effective way to solve a myriad of disease and disability. All of it perhaps.

It is that, in a world where the personal ethical standard is diminished daily by big business and government, that good people do bad deeds in an attempt to promote the means to and unknown end. This opens the door to endless possible opportunities for wrongdoing on the part of the unethical. In doing so, those who would normally otherwise question validity or source, are caught in a vacuum of epic proportion as they vie for a place on the ladder of scientific recognition. The possibility for stardom has the damning potential to set in motion, a cyclical series of bad choices that might otherwise be left to pure good judgment.

So it is not just about Science after all.
This is Orwellian double speak.  Obama says "..harness the power of science to achieve our goals." Then he seems to say this in the context "preserving our environment."  He uses science to justify the cap and trade scheme which will raise taxes by billions, if not trillions of dollars.

And, it does not occur to him, or his science nominee, Dr. Holdren that the CO2 theory of global warming is not science it is the environmentalists' "post hoc ergo hoc" fallacy. There is not one shred of scientific evidence that this is true -- it's just a theory.  And it is increasingly clear to everyone, especially the great majority of climate scientists that global warming stopped in 1998, and all the evidence since then, and for earlier periods in the 20th century, shows CO2 has little to do with the climate.  This is what science shows.

In the meantime, those scientists who are on the Federal dole, get enormous grants, or people like Al Gore who stand to make enormous amounts of money from this scheme, just keep parroting the same nonsense, and most people seem to believe it.  No one asks why the climate models failed to have any predictive value, why the other planets are cooling/warming like the earth.  The reason is that it is not CO2, it is the sun's energy emissions control the climate.

So, Obama is anti-science if he can't ask reputable scientists. The CO2 theory is nonsense, it is an environmentalists' fairy tale and money-raising scam. If Obama can't see this he is not much of a President.
Wow, the idea that science has no morals is stupid. Scientists have morals, hence science has morals. Just because it's not this extreme right wing uninformed b***s*** trying to force beliefs on others (hows that for freedom?) doesn't mean it's not a set of morals.
I always find it interesting to note the use of the theoretical as layman speak, i.e. "just a theory" as if these theories can be shrugged off like a bad piece of beef. A theory is an approximation brought about by the culmination of thousands of tested hypotheses. If a null hypothesis is rejected, then it is replaced by a better approximation of the phenomenon and the theory changes ever so slightly to be a better overall approximation. Theories represent the best approximation of an underlying set of physical processes. I have to forgive each and every one of the people who mistakenly think that "I have a theory" is the same as the Theory of Evolution, because I understand that they didn't have a good science teacher somewhere in their attic. And to think, there exists a wholesale attack on science education and the teaching profession in this country "because it costs so much money." How was that for a unscientific claim. It is almost as existential as that like brain wave thingy.
THANK YOU, MR. PRESIDENT!  It's about time.
Finally an administration that puts science and reason above ignorance and superstition the conservative Bush administration actually promoted ignorance.
There was nothing stopping this research under Bush... it's just the the Gov't wasn't funding it...
Boyle, you complete and utter idiot!  Still haven't learned?
Philosophy of science is a curious art at its best.  All too often dependant on the observer, with little in fundamental invariants.  And now you bring in an infection called politics, for a fool's game in intent outcome.  Clearly, a massive brain enema is in order with that line of "reasoning".
This is unbelievably biased!  Why was it "political leanings" for Bush to oppose federal funding for stem cell research, but it's not for Obama.  The press is a joke.  Credibility used to be a virtue.
"Ending the war on science?"

Starting the war on economics...
RSB...woohooooo, I couldn't have said it any better. Good job!
To Arthur Lemay:  you are amazingly uninformed about Climate Change based on the pedigree you give on your website.  You are clearly unaware of the large body of evidence compiled by climatologists and related disciplines on 1) the relationship of CO2 to greenhouse warming and 2) the steady increase in atmospheric CO2 stating at the beginning of the industrial revolution (early 1800s).  As well as the overwhelming agreement by these scientists of the reality of Global Warming - unlike what you are claiming ("increasingly clear to everyone the great majority of climate scientists that global warming stopped in 1998").  What amazing BS.

Lets hope Dr. Holdren gets confirmed - and soon.
Science is not an ideology, you cannot have a war on science. Science refers to a pursuit and a process. What science holds most dear is objectivity and complete deference to what can be observed and tested. Everything science has taught us or shown us exists because of this process. It does not have an agenda. There is nothing to like or dislike. If you do not like something science has discovered, or has proven, or even has shown to be most likely, that is because of YOUR agenda. Not sciences. Science presents what we know or don't know, you invent the emotions.
Comments here about the need for moral judgement in applying science and technology are valid - just because a scientific approach can be done does not mean that it should be done.  However, it does not follow that religious stricture is the correct basis for such moral reasoning.  We live in a pluralistic society with many religious beliefs including no religious belief - each is recognized as valid within US constitutional law.  Moral judgement should be applied based on what provides the most benefit to society - and surveys have consistently shown that a large majority of our population supports stem cell research (that was also shown during the November election!).
There has been no war on science. That's a moronic statement. Stem cell research has been conducted continually through the Bush administration. There has been unlimited legal research with private money and limited research with government funds on existing stem cells. It is a patent lie to say otherwise. Why don't we talk about the war on capitalism being conducted right now?
I have to say that I am really impressed with most of the comments on this board - a lot more thoughtful reasoning that takes into account ethics and life's mysteries than was found in the article.
You know, I would have a lot more respect for right to lifers if they had the courage of their convictions.  But ask most of them if there has ever been a good enough reason to go to war and most will emphatically say "yes, there have been wars that were fought and won for the better good of humanity".  But ask them if there is every a good enough reason to use an embryo for the greater good of humanity and they just as emphatically say, "no, there's never a good enough reason to kill an embryo".  Well, if one believes that human life is sacred from conception until natural death, then one must also believe there should never be wars, that capital punishment should never be allowed, and it is never permissible to kill to defend ones home or their families safety.  And don't give me the argument that "embryo are innocent life, and we as adults can make decisions about whether we go to war, or commit crimes, but embryos do not have a chance to make decisions."  That isn't the issue, the issue is..are you really pro life, or just pro life for some lives?
Regardless of how one might feel about stem cells, science must not be influenced by politics. It is because science has been for sale, that rampant Sick Building Syndrome, Mold-related Illnesses, and Chemical Poisonings exist in America today, impacting many millions of suffering people who haven't been able to get help. Scientists in the USA who study the above have not been listened to. Physicians who diagnose or treat these patients have been harassed. This is about to change! Visit www.schoolmoldhelp.org for information about the epidemic of mold-related illnesses that plague our schools, workplaces, and homes.
In the name of "science" many human lives have been tortured and destroyed.    It has happened throughout history.   Funny how so few of the scientists loan their own bodies to be used for their gruesome experiments.    It's no different now.    Laws should protect humans from being used by others to satisfy their curiosity, even if supposed cures could be found from their research.   A lot about pain was learned from inflicting horrible pain on others, etc.
Obama has done us no favors.   He is opening up more of a Pandora's box than most people realize.
It is also true that the person you are, is the person you were, is the person you will be.   Conception IS the start of each life.  It is an ugly thing that anyone would want to be "saved" or "cured" using someone else's destruction.
I object that I will be forced to pay for this crime aainst humanity!!!  
Deep sixing John Holdren would be the best thing that can ever happen to scientific integrity in government. Holdren is infamous for his article commanding climate change skeptics to just shut up.
"Boyle offers two direct quotes from Democrats, none from Republicans. With folks like this on board, MSNBC is rapidly becoming the Wikipedia of Journalism."

Don't look now, but you've just insulted Wikipedia big-time.  MSNBC (including CosmicLog) is synonymous with the bottom of the toilet.  
This makes me laugh...  If the people above actually read anything Obama actually did he did one thing...  He repealed the outdated, fear-mongering, extreme right wing thought that stem cells are embryos. Stem cells can be found from different sources as embryos.  Embryos to some are considered baby’s if you hold that view then you should be happy, because he DID NOT over turn the nor does he have the power to over turn the ban on using embryos.  Before you rant about science, morals, and Obama’s views read what he actually did.  Congress has since (I believe) 1993 kept the ban on embryo's and has kept that ban every year ever since.  So before you start your "the democrats are going to over turn it" rant the dems have been in power since 2006 and still have not repealed it.  So unfortunately I have to say before you look stupid...   READ!
Agreed - morality is not a product of religion - it has been co-opted by religion. Notwithstanding rightwing views that without religion, we would all instantly descend to murderous lacivious animals, the animal kingdom is rife with examples that ain't so. "Morality" as a care for other members of the species, is likely innate in any successful group, if only because the group as a whole would die out without it. But oh yeah, that requires you believe in evolution. Nevermind...
The subject can become extremely torpid with so many stipulations as to what constitutes life. What pro-lifers consider life is really a blastocyst - the two to five day old embryo in the shape of a hollow ball (from which stem-cells are taken). It has no nervous system. It can't think. It's a ball of cells. Men's sperm looks more alive then a blastocyst does! At least those can swim. When a man masturbates he releases a plethora of potential cells that could turn into a fetus. Are these pro-life groups worried about us masturbating? (It wouldn't put it past me if they were). What about each egg that sheds during menstruation? What about having sex with a condom on? I mean, conception is so close you can almost hear the little semen yelling "let me out!" But let's be honest, you’re really not giving life a chance with jr's raincoat on. How non pro-life of you to do that.

I can't even begin to point out all the other hypocrisies when stem-cell opponents exclaim embryos are real humans with the same entitled rights as you and me - well, unless your a gay embryo.Yet for all pragmatic purposes, there is one very ironic part to this whole issue. According to a USA Today report approximately one half-million embryos lie frozen in US fertility clinics. Frozen! So instead of using these cells to promote and expand great research to save actual lives, proponents of the ban would rather the embryos stay frozen. How non pro-life of them to do that.

These issues disclose an important fact: science has been stymied by a major impetus. That force is religion: an unscientific force that has been allowed to impede the progression of science. Why? Why in Texas was there recently a 7-7 tie as to whether creationism should be taught in schools? Why should we allow religious groups to falsely discredit and disparage factual, tangible scientific work? Just because the fossil record isn't completely intact? Because a book says the earth is at the center of the universe?

Science is in the business of understanding the beautiful complexities of life. There is no room for perversions. There is no room for putting a man on house arrest for the remainder of his life because he advocates the sun is at the center of the universe - which the Vatican did to Galileo. There is no room for putting a teacher on trial for teaching the principles of descent with modification - which is what happened to high school teacher John Scopes in 1926. And there is no room for holding scientists hostage because they want to use blastocysts to cure disease and save lives. Especially when opponents to stem-cell research exclaim their reason it is to save a life.
There is a distinction between ethics and morality.  The scientist, ( and I am one ) has an ethical obligation to make their observations without bias, and expect their observations to be replicated by individuals using similar apparatus for observation, if not technically improved upon apparatus for verification, and come to the same conclusion.  Once this procedure is followed, the information gleaned then goes to the "policy makers" to act upon the findings.  Morality is faith based.  Faith is not subject to the intrusion of technical apparatus to make observvations, such as using a telescope to view the evening sky.  People of different faiths have different rules, and science does not operate with different sets of rules.  Observations are tested and retested in science.  Religeon is not open to such scruitiny.
This guy is why people can't trust the media.  He I'm sure considers himself an intellectual elite.  However if you critically read this article you will see it's not only poorly written and breathtakingly slanted, but also uninformed.

By the way... note to you leftists... you can disagree with the morality of stem cell research without being a redneck, fear-mongering ideologue.  And by the way Courtney of Seattle... you better re-research and post again because you're completely wrong.  Stem cell research has been going on in this country including embryonic stem cell research using existing lines of cells already available.  All that was banned was the harvesting and use of new embryonic stem cell lines.

The research that has been done since the initial fight over this has also shown that many of the applications that had been advertised for stem cells will not be possible.
It's amazing to see from reading these comments that in 2009 in what is arguably one of the best educated countries on the planet that primitive and superstitious thinking still abounds.  At least now we have a president who isn't guilty of it.

And for those of you who think MSNBC is the bottom of the barrel,what on earth are you doing here reading it?  Faux News is out there, just waiting for you.
Maybe those scientists who weren't very creative in some regards have been stymied while the ban was in force.  However, other scientists have led the charge to look for alternate sources of stem cells. They have found them in adults, even within the bodies of the individuals who would benefit from any use of stem cells.  Let them donate their own stem cell.  They have found them in umbilical cords. Not only is a life not destroyed, the stem cells come from the same life sustaining structure that has nourished the newborn, giving even more opportunities for life.  And recent developments have allowed scientists to reverse some cells back to a state of pluripotency (stem cell state).  Pretty promising research and amazing developments that otherwise might never have even been considered.  Easy road with moral repurcussions or slightly more difficult road requiring some ingenuity and creativity minus the moral dillemma... hmmm... hmmm... let's be honest here, the real problem is that admitting that a blastocyst is a baby in the area of stem cell research leads to the obvious moral dillemma with the much more developed fetus that we so vigorously defend the right to kill.
Stem cells can be produced without injuring one fetus.

Even so..think about this: There's never in the history of the world been anything gained without sacrifice, never.
Regarding the statement by Evan Willimantic, CT (3/9, 2102)

I’m sure it’s a very impassioned thought, and I have no idea of the background it comes from, but I am sure that background isn’t the Bible.  The Bible may have been in the room, sitting quietly on it’s shelf, or looking impressive on the coffee table, but it wasn’t part of the discussion.  Biblical Godliness includes things like smashing babies’ heads against the rocks.  And if we’re going to talk about “all” life you’ll be extremely limited in what you can eat if you can only torture your food by pulling parts off it so you don’t kill it.  From a chicken leg to a carrot, some must die that others might live.  God doesn’t just sanction killing by men, he routinely, that is – as a matter of normal routine, demanded it.  If I’m giving you a headache please go rub a crystal on it or whatever it is you do.


Arthur Lemay, Boulder Creek, California (3/9, 2122) wrote, “[I]t is not CO2, it is the sun's energy emissions control the climate ... [i]f Obama can't see this he is not much of a President.”

Or maybe he’s smart enough to know that he can’t control the sun.  I know I can’t control the cars on the road when I’m crossing the street.  I know I can control me when I’m crossing the street.  It is the cars hitting me that cause the damage, but I’ll still do all I can with controlling me to prevent getting hit.  Not a direct crossover, but if we contribute in any amount to the problem he wouldn’t be much of a president if he didn’t do what he could to limit the damage to just what the sun causes.  Plus, I think your science is whack.


RSB, Phx, Az (3/9, 2143)

Some scientists have morals.  Some scientists don’t.  And some scientists have morals that are reprehensible.  I cringe at the thought of some scientist performing experiments on a two year old to examine the effects that operating at the pain threshold has on development.  It’s a good, solid scientific question.  You, as an individual, unique person, are a fucking idiot.  I’m sure I got edited, but rest asured it’s true.  Freedom was never meant to be free to do harm.  “Scientists have morals.”  Look up Nazi medical research.  Twit.


Jon Deu, Tuscaloosa, Alabama – see above.


Beaver Student, Corvallis, OR (3/9,  2311)
True, but scientists are not a pursuit nor a process and do have agendas and emotions.  And all science is dependent on the scientist, it never happens on it’s own.  So all scientific pursuit and process is tainted to some degree.


PLP, Pensacola, Florida (3/9, 2340)
That’s a nice box you’re trying to build.  I understand why the box is so important to you.  It’s the only place your argument works.


m.tsang sd, ca (3/10,  0032)
What book says that?
It would be nice if there was a filter for comments about articles relating to science (and other topics, too, actually) to remove the ones made by idiots who just want to dictate their agenda.  I guess it would require artificial intelligence to do that, at which point some moron would declare that it had a "soul" or was putting out "brain waves!!!"
Of course there was a war on science. As a scientist, I can illustrate it in about a thousand ways. Let's start with GBB appointing his personal PROCTOLOGIST to head the NIH. The man was an MD with ZERO research experience and a rather pathetic career (compartively). But he was a religious fundamentalist that could be depended upon to two the political line. The same thing happened with that reprehensible woman appointed to the CDC. Somehow, she decided that AIDS prevention and family planning needed to occur without showing, decribing, using, or distributing condoms - the method proven time and time again as the best recourse to everything else. Her political kowtowing actually *killed* people, and those actions had NOTHING to do with science. So, please, stop trotting out your abject ignornace. There is a clear political war on science, waged by Republicans and conservatives to curry favor with the religious right and maintain control of their constituents. And educated and informed electorate would not tolerate most of the abused GWB fostered.    
It's not surprising that we have the usual uneducated cattle jabbering in here about Obama killing babies. Of course, they have read nothing on the subject, and know nothing about what Obama actually did, or that he was merely making Bush's policy make sense. It was perfectly legitimate to do fetal stem cell research in the US under Bush. It was previously legitimate to use already established fetal cell lines in US research after the date of the law under Bush. UNder Obama, you still cannot use federal funds to create new stem cell lines. You can use privately established cell lines (which is pretty much the same under Bush). All that was changed was removing the impediment of use and the restrictions of the details of use of stem cells to increase productivity. In any case, the initial tissue was previously (and unrelatedly) generated waste material. And under the new policy, there will be better control and oversight. It's a win-win for everyone.

I hope folks follow the links to read the stories about the problems that researchers encountered during the Bush administration. There is one good-news story that I left out... Months after his dismissal, Andy Eller was reinstated to his post in the Fish and Wildlife Service after the agency admitted that it was basing its endangered-species policies on flawed scientific data (and after a federal judge ruled that what the agency was doing was illegal):

http://www.panthersociety.org/current.html

By the way, I tried to downplay the stem-cell angle in this item because that was covered in another MSNBC story, but it looks as if that's the issue that folks latched onto nevertheless. I'm glad to give people a place to vent on this subject, even if this place is synonymous with the bottom of the toilet.   ;-)

Tim, Ann Arbor, MI (3/10, 0230), “Her political kowtowing actually *killed* people.”  This has all the credibility of saying that after you robbed a bank the person who called the cops is the reason you went to jail.  Her political kowtowing actually let people commit suicide.  Except for those victims of rape who’s rapists weren’t considerate enough to go buy condoms, it was a choice.  You want to make one person’s bad decision the fault of a second person.  Cry me a river.
And the 0244 post, “You can use privately established cell lines (which is pretty much the same under Bush).”  Under the Bush rules you could not use federal money on any cell line established after the Aug (?) 01 cutoff.  The idea was to avoid an end around that had federal money supporting fetal murder.  If I spend my 20k to establish a new cell line and then get grants for 180k for research on that line the reality is the government winds up footing 90% of the total cost associated with the intentional death of that child.  Those numbers are just expedient.  Under the new Obama rules money can flow that way.  Now the government won’t spend money to directly murder an unborn human life, instead we’ll (potentially) take up the other costs.  As long as private money takes care of the slaughter public money is only involved in the research.  It’s political BS.  Grow a spine and pick a side.  Either get out or get in.  Bush took a stand and wouldn’t let public money support killing the unborn in any way.  Obama is softening that to not letting public money directly kill the unborn.  If he had a ball, even just one, he’d go all the way to full, open support instead of this farce.  How do we feel about people who supply aid and comfort to terrorists and say they didn’t spend any money on actual terrorism, just food and shelter.  The rice they bought didn’t attack America.
How about we start funding our economy more than scientific reasearch?
Article on a bill in Georgia that would basically define the beginning of human life.

http://www.ajc.com/metro/content/metro/stories/
2009/03/10/legislature_stem_cell.html


I don't know if it could stand a US Constitution litmus test.  The only thing the Constitution actually says, but actually does say, is about citizenship defined by birth.  Of course, we already charge and convict for murder if an unborn child dies in a crime.
There was NEVER a war on science.  The actions were to stop out-of-control researchers and scientists who have no moral or ethical boundaries in their quest for knowledge.  These self-serving people mask their arguments by saying knowledge is independent of morals and ethics, and knowing more will help people.  Those are patently false arguments.  We are all guided by morals and ethics, and scientists and researchers must be as well.

It is becoming quite evident that the proponents of anthropogenic global warming have been quite willing to obfuscate the evidence to support their position, aligning themselves with certain political parties to gain influence and money.  More and more independent researchers are coming to the conclusion that the models currently used for climate change are hopelessly inadequate, were manipulated to show certain results, and are the result of political processes, not science.  In other words, Garbage In, God's Truth Out.  President Bush had the courage to stop that nonsense and reign in out-of-control, politically motivated scientists.  President Obama has meekly cowed to the demands of these same people and declared that science is independent of morality.  Only two societies have that philosophy, fascists and communists.

Deciding to destroy a human being to help other human beings is an unethical decision that cannot be supported.  Destroying human beings based on some artificial standard begs the questions of where is the line, who establishes it, can it be moved, when can it be moved, who can move it, and none of these protections are in place with President Obama's administration.

President Bush stood for human dignity, President Obama yields to the intellectual snobbery of the liberals running the Democratic Party.


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