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How evolution evolved

Posted: Friday, January 09, 2009 11:53 AM by Alan Boyle


Janet Iwasa / Harvard Med. School and Mass. Gen. Hospital
This cutaway view shows a model protocell about 100 nanometers in diameter. The
protocell's fatty acid membrane allows nutrients and DNA building blocks to enter
the cell and create copies of the cell's DNA. The new DNA strands remain inside.
Scientists suggest this is how the first living cells began to evolve eons ago.

Where did the theory of evolution come from? And where's it going? Essayists and scientists are rallying to answer such questions during the countdown to Charles Darwin's 200th birthday.

The folks who want to build up Darwin's legacy (and the folks who want to challenge it) are gearing up for Feb. 12 by reflecting on the past, present and future of evolutionary theory. Scientific American has devoted virtually an entire issue of the magazine to the topic already, and this week the journal Science made Darwin its cover boy.

Evolution's past
Among the journal's highlights is a review article by Peter J. Bowler, a historian from the Queen's University of Belfast who focuses on the roots of Darwin's theory. Some might argue that Darwinism was so much "in the air" 150 years ago that if Darwin hadn't come up with the idea, someone else would have figured it out. But that's not the way Bowler sees it.

To be sure, other biologists had worked out the main outlines of the theory of natural selection - that is, the idea that advantageous traits become more common in succeeding generations. One of the reasons why Darwin published "On the Origin of Species" when he did was because another biologist, Alfred Russel Wallace, was working on his own theory along similar lines.

Bowler maintains, however, that Darwin's formulation of the theory "was both original and disturbing."

"It was not just that the idea of natural selection challenged the belief that the world was designed by a wise and benevolent God," Bowler writes. "There was a wider element of teleology or goal-directedness almost universally accepted at the time."

Darwin would have scoffed at the idea that the evolutionary process was designed to go in any particular direction, other than pointing toward survival in "the struggle for existence."

Some critics have complained that evolution the way Darwin saw it was a cold-hearted process, and laid the groundwork for the horrors of Nazism and Stalinism. (That theme comes through loud and clear in last year's anti-Darwin documentary, "Expelled.") In response, Bowler insists that "Darwinism was not 'responsible' for social Darwinism or eugenics in any simple way," but he acknowledges that some of the more disturbing aspects of his theory were exploited by later generations.

"We may well feel uncomfortable with those aspects of his theory today, especially in light of their subsequent applications to human affairs," Bowler writes. "But if we accept science's power to upset the traditional foundations of how we think about the world, we should also accept its potential to interact with moral values."

That's food for thought, well worth chewing over in the comment section below.

Evolution's present and future
Another essay in the journal, written by award-winning author Carl Zimmer, takes a closer look at the ultimate question that Darwin barely addressed in his writings: How did life itself arise? The full essay is available on Science's Web site as well as on CarlZimmer.com.

Zimmer touches upon several paths now being explored to address that question, including a reworking of the classic Miller-Urey experiment that changes the recipe for a "primordial soup" that could give rise to life's building blocks. The new brew is a better reflection of what scientists now think Earth's early atmosphere was like (with lots of carbon dioxide and a dash of nitrogen), and adds some extra chemicals that would allow amino acids to form when zapped by lightning.

Other lines of research look at the potential for simple molecules to bootstrap themselves into more complex, self-replicating molecules - eventually leading to life as we know it. For years, scientists have speculated that biology began with a molecular genetic system that no longer exists in nature, worked its way up to an "RNA world," and at last gave rise to the DNA-based system we see today.

Chemists are slowly closing in on what could be a plausible explanation of the process, Zimmer reports. "We've got the molecules in our sights," the University of Manchester's John Sutherland told him.

One of the most intriguing bits of research was published this week on Science's Web site: Biologists at the Scripps Research Institute report that they built a set of self-replicating RNA enzymes that could serve as "an experimental model of a genetic system." The chemical reactions gave rise to the game of life, without biology.

Wired Science's Alexis Madrigal quotes one of the paper's co-authors, Gerald Joyce, as saying the experiment showed how evolution can take hold in the RNA world. "All the original replicators went extinct and it was the new recombinants that took over," Joyce said. "There wasn't one winner. There was a whole cloud of winners, but there were three mutants that arose that pretty much dominated the population."

Still other researchers are working on the artificial cells to contain artificial life. The aim here isn't to create Frankenmicrobes: A team from Penn State explained last year that studying artificial cells could help scientists develop more effective pharmaceuticals for natural-born cells. Such experiments could also shed light on how the first protocells took shape on the early Earth.

Animation by Janet Iwasa shows how a protocell can form from fatty acids.

The latest revelations demonstrate how evolutionary theory - and practice - is still evolving today. There's also a spurt of differentiation in how the field is being covered: Just this week, Science launched its Origins blog to keep track of all the Darwin doings, and the bicentennial will be a leading theme during next month's annual meeting of the American Association for the Advancement of Science.

Here are a few more resources on evolutionary biology and the Darwin bicentennial:

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THe superiority of Evolutionary Theory has been demonstrated time and time again. Yet in a society that needs more educated people we see Religious Groups trying to undermine progress in the name of their "god".
I'd like to respond to Bowler's comment:

"But if we accept science's power to upset the traditional foundations of how we think about the world, we should also accept its potential to interact with moral values."

I submit that the very act of deciding to utilize the methods and techniques of a scientific approach to understanding our world is a values-based choice.  Other ways of viewing the world exist.  The choice of using science over, say, mysticism is made based upon our personal values and we should not be surprised when outcomes produced by our chosen approach affect and are affected by a socially constructed morality.  

In the end, the application and practice of these outcomes will always be accomplished in whatever morality matrix we find ourselves.  We should never be surprised when our observations, regardless of the chosen epistemological approach, bump up against moral guidelines.  This constraint is necessary and unavoidable - and not a bad thing at all.
People try to blame Darwinism for Hitler and Stalins tatics but it's truly ridiculous and shows how little they actually understand about the tenants of Darwinism.  The characteristics required for survival are extremely complex, and if anything, Darwinism demonstrates why Nazism and Communism failed.  Hitler and Stalin may have tried to use Darwinism to explain what they were doing, but just like Jim Jones used Christianity to explain his tactics, they had a complete misunderstanding of the concept.  If they had understood that it is not simple strength, but strength combined with a relationship with the enviornment around you, they never would have created the atrocities they did.  Instead they tried to use brute strength to come out on top, and it caused the rest of the world to react against them, just like Darwinism said they would, and so they lost.
Evolution is one of the most powerful tools we have for understanding the natural order of our planet.  So many forms of live that are completely dependent on one another.  Humans are probably the only species not subjected to the trials of evolution anymore.  Maybe we are but we just don't know it?  It's upsetting to me that some are so opposed to the idea.  Many strict Christians consider evolution to be false even though the concept has been proven time and time again.  I am a Christian, but I have to accept something when the evidence supports it.  Evolution does not disprove a higher power!  I think it just gives us a tiny glimpse into his methods.  I hope people in the future are more open minded to new concepts.  
If Someone out there created you, and hasn't given you the ability to know that He created you, how would you know He created you?

Maybe the same Someone who put those hundreds of billions of Suns in each of those hundred billion galaxies we can see out there with the Hubble telescope?
Remember everyone: there is no such thing as the "Theory of Evolution."  If you have trouble believing this, please refer to Darwin's work "On the Origin of Species."  It contains absolutely no mention of any "Theory of Evolution."  Extra credit to those who know Darwin's actual theory and why this theory has been falsely renamed and misrepresented by religious interests.
Still and will always be a theory. Everything we know has an intelligent designer.
Example: The article you just wrote on the subject. If I thought the words appeared in just the right order being grammatically correct, as well as conveying a coherent thought, were pure chance, I would be labeled insane. Now take life with all its complexities and think, could all of this have been by chance? Even a toothpick needs a designer and an intelligent on at that.
ON the question of moral interaction, we have to ask where the moral values came from in the first place. If we look at the natural world there are no moral values only the laws of nature. For instance our herding nature tells us to stick together for the good of the group, yet our sruvival nature tells us to do everything we  can to survive. If a herd of Zebras are attacked they group together to protect the whole, yet if a lame Zebra falls behind it dies and the others keep running. If a friend or a loved one fails to come out of a burning building we will run in and save them. This completely overrides our survival nature. we have to ask why is that? Could there be some outside force that has put this conscience into our hearts?

In the second hlaf of this article they discuss the way life began. We have theory after theory of what the earth was like in the past and what was there to start life. We use todays observations to tell us about the past. We have no idea what was there, just when we think we know something comes along and changes, we then change all of our theories to fit that. A set of scientist at Scripps "built" a set of replicating RNA. So we are showing proof that it takes an intelligent source to create life. The odds of any of this happening by chance are astronomical. Most researchers who try and increase science for the good of mankind could care less about evolution - it has nothing to do with the outcome of any experiment they do. They do what they do for the good of mankind. We spend way too much time trying to prove God does not exist instead of trying to enjoy and discover the wonders of the world He created.
The concept that humans, as complex and perfect as they are, found their beginnings in some random, accidental primordial soup is too fantastic to be believed.  Larry Williams claims that intelligent people believe in evolution and stupid people believe in God but I can't think of more ridiculous concept than the idea that the Earth and the universe are the product of one big accident.
One of these days someone should write a new book:

Darwin: The Origin of Idiots!

How anyone can take a look at the human body and think that evolution can come up (by chance) with intelligent design, is beyond me!

On the other hand it is no surprise that 'stupid' scientists cannot deal with 'intelligent' design.

Creationism is a religion as it takes an enormous amount of faith (and fiction, mind you) to believe it!
Evolution is a theory just like gravity is a theory; being a "theory" doesn't mean it isn't established fact.  All the work in the last twenty years in microbiology, genetics, and DNA has confirmed the process, and most school textbooks are far out-of-date in this.
i personally believe, darwinism theory not only was but IS true and more alive than ever, we see it in every science´s experiment today, and as a non scientist person is difficult for me to believe we were created and dropped on earth like a seed or something, religions have tried to explaine it trought creation theory to relieve that natural inquire we all have in our minds, but is far more believable for me that life as we know it has came from a scientific phenomenon, and we are so young in this planet or live recepient nest we have conveniently called earth that maybe there is a long path to walk to find the absolut true behind these theories, in the meantime i will still happy to know there is a million researchers working. one theory is scientyfic and the other is moral. there is an abysm between those two and will never matched.
As an evolutionary biologist, I find the discussion of the theory of evolution different then the reality of the Theory of evolution. As an epistemological structure, a theory in science is an emergent property that has nothing to do with naming conventions or belief structures. A theory supplies us with the best approximation of the actual physical parameters associated with the process in question. A theory is a summation of tested hypotheses. You can reject a hypothesis, but that simply changes the understanding of the theory. In other words, evolution is the result of physical interactions and the theory of evolution is our best approximation of those physical interactions. People may deny that it is a process, but biological interactions and physical laws are reality and no amount of grousing about will change that reality.
hey, perhaps we're all wrong.  maybe ape came from man?
The main issue is still one of semantics.
To the average person the term theory means some unproven untested concept. In science, it simply doesn't mean that at all.
It's funny how the same people who continue to make those uneducated statements about evolution just being a theory so it has no real standing don't seem to have any problem with the theories of gravity or magnetism, or other physical forces.  
Hiram wrote, "If a friend or a loved one fails to come out of a burning building we will run in and save them. This completely overrides our survival nature. we have to ask why is that? Could there be some outside force that has put this conscience into our hearts?"

This is called altruism- doing something for someone else even though it may gain you nothing or may cost you something (even your life) in the process.

Altruism is expressed in animals other than humans.  There are many documented cases in other primates.  But by being altruistic and the ability to have language to express original idea and thought is what many believe makes an animal human.  

We are all animals, some animals are just more "advanced" than others.
Mention evolution, and the first comment that comes is someone who just has to attack God. That's OK, He worked through evolution, and His existence doesn't depend on our opinions. I suppose you don't believe in a "Big Bang" ... aka "In the beginning God created"
Time and time again I read a wonderful science article about how someone has discovered, identified or create something new. Their only aim being to add to the body of knowledge posessed by our species. As is normal, they or others firther expound on this discovery and hypothesize how this could have contributed to that or how this could explain that. This is all wonderfull and is a credit to humanity and our thirst for knowledge.

Yet time and time again, I see comment after comment from people who criticize this work solely because it indicated that something "could" have happened without seemingly divine intervention. We must admit that a thousand years ago, the spring rains, the winter snows and all manner of diseases and catastrophies were, by and large, considered to have required a superior intervention to cause or prevent. People prayed to be spared from the plague or to have rain come down on their crops. Most educated people, I think, rely more on their doctor for medical advice and seek out the Weather Channel for their forcasting, yet there are still so many who would "kill the messenger" rather than accept that the dogma the've inhereted from their ancestors is again shown to be flawed - or at least misunderstood.

If something could be intelligently designed, does that, in any way, provide evidence that it was intelligently designed?
God created evolution! Simple! so there!
I was reading over this article and thought about some things here. I am a Christian, but I truly believe God's process of Creation was Evolution. The Bible has been translated so many times its pitiful and along the way, it only reads as those who translated its last writing and for those to understand in the way of the newest translation. The same for history - it is always written by the victor, not the defeated.

In the Book of Genesis, Chapter One, passage 14-18, God did not truly create the difference between day and night until the fourth day and if this is the case as written, then what were the three "days" before that timeframe?

The Bible in this situation is translated so that man/woman can try to understand time. It is no different than one knowing what exactly $1000 dollars looks like and maybe those privy to actually know what $100k looks like, but try to imagine what $1M actually looks like - most of us can't and we only understand the number in this case. But for many, we either accept the number science has provided us or we balk at it.

In my understanding and to not take away from anything written in scripture, I wholly believe God created this world, this space, this infinite ever beyond that we all know; and His process of this Creation was Evolution - the humanic "word"
science assigned to it and from that, everything began. That loud, Big Bang heard millions of years ago only in space was either the sound of the beggining of God's waving of His wand or the sound of Him clapping his hands for the start, but everything evolved or started from there.

God gave us all brains to think with and to learn. Some are more educated than others and although I trust in God's word, I also trust in what God's creation of our brains have taught us by those who have sought, learned and came back to advise us of their findings... to me, those "days" were millions and millions and millions of years time and time again, for God has no defined "time" - only mankind does, and if He does, then how do we define "enternity" in Heaven or Hell"?        
There seems to be some confusion between the discrete notions of "creativity" and "intelligence" in some of these posts.  One cannot make the case that intelligence is required for creation in the pure sense.  Stuff is created all the time.  For instance, observe the snowflakes as they fall on Seattle this year.  They are individually created, each one beautiful in its own right.  However, no one could reasonably argue that an intelligence is actively creating them, one by one.  No, instead we can see from the emergence of crystal forms from water vapor that the Universe itself is creative.  Each physical process, each chemical reaction, each is combined into a complex, creative dance of life.  We anthropomorphize these creative processes and imagine that someone intelligent, someone like us, must be pulling the strings of the Universe.  And this might be true, but it is not necessarily true.  Our lives have a beginning, middle, and end.  Our lives proceed in a vector from ignorance to intelligence, and then to dust.  But the Universe may or may not have a beginning, middle, or end.  We simply cannot know.  And if per chance it had no beginning, then it needs no creator.  It simply is.
The truth is nobody is trying to prove or disprove if GOD exists, that's a 100% wrong question, either you belive or not (I like to think people try really hard to prove that GOD exists instead of otherwise).
The difference is DOGMA and research that's why the SCIENCE is keep changing constantly while RELIGION is the same bread and butter of a few.
The term LIFE will be challenge in a few decades and will have to be change it more than once, and as a norm, evolution and its tools and mechanisms would be changing and adapting, no matter the sense or purpose we "human" try to intaurate in it (usually we're so antrophomorphosist and egocentric as species, even we 'make' GOO to our image, instead to be in the other way around).
By definition all religions are the ONE, and the rest of them are wrong, therefore all religions are wrong, while in Science is a way to know what's real, true and confirmed by replication of data on a empiric environment (a posteriori method), but religions know only one way..the burning bush, the call from the skies, the revelation, anyone can have one..just a little bit of psicotropic drugs, chemical unbalance or damage in the brain or even a nice tumor will do it.
The only think Sciencie is saying is the universe is what it is due to millions of years and processes in place since the big bang, beyond that any moral or religious issue is irrelevant.
It's too bad that so many people seem to be so offended by science attempting to explain how we and our universe came to be.  Scientific theories of how life began and evolved, as well as how the universe came to be are simply logical hypothesis of people who are curious enough to explore the physical evidence available to us.  It seems those who claim that science has been out to disprove God's existance are usually are not scientists, but defenders of religous belief.  The false notion that evolution disproves God's existance is by far the biggest reason why so many still do not accept it.  I find it frustrating that such false notions continue to hinder the progress of human understanding about ourselves and our universe.
the foolishness of the evolutionary theory has been demonstrated time and time again, yet in a society that has a SURPLUS of educated people, we see these same trying to undermine progress in the name of their "god" (evolution)
evolution has been shown time and again that it cannot answer the questions of the beginning of life, and that it causes more confusion than answers. and yet, people so strongly oppose God as creator that they willingly blind themselves to the facts.
the fool has said in his heart that there is no God.
May, might, can, could have, the aim here, certain elements might show, perhaps when, many scientist think, potential new research hopes, could show...on and on the maybes and mights go. The simple truth is...evolution is bad science. Science is what has evolved...around trying to prove a theory. In addition it remains the only theory that is taught as science fact in our scholastic system. You have postulated your theory and in 200 years have found no solid evidence to prove it. It is time we put equal amounts of time and effort into exploring other theories.
The seeming conflict/incompatibility (partly real, partly imagined) between religion & science is mostly confined to Judeo-Christian-Islamic religious texts.  

This problem is minimal, some would argue non existent, in Hindu-Buddhist-Sikh religious texts.  Going back atleast 2000-3000 BC, these texts are compatible with Darwin's & other evolutionary explanations..without having EXCLUDING God's hand or presence in creation of the Universe & life.  

In short, science & religion are not incompatible or mutually exclusive, as any serious student who studies these religious texts would conclude.

The Judeo-Christian-Islamic religious texts, especially the Christians & Islamic practiced beliefs, render any chance of inter-species symbiotism, interconnectedness, interdependence of life on earth a near impossibility. Instead they keep human life as the center of the universe & all other living beings as their god's bounty for the Humans.  Such has not been the  design of God, the maker of universe & life, as propounded by Indian religions.
The problem with comparing "Intelligent Design" and Evolution is that they aren't asking the same questions.  The point that Ben Stein missed is that Evolution looks at how things changed and points to what could be possible inbetween gaps in the fossil records.  "Intelligent Design" is only concerned where things started and who started things.  Evolution has been so twisted to suit what people want it to say that it should be with statisitics (lies, damn lies and statistics).  It is biological and has nothing to do human social interactions.  
I don't understand what all the fuss is about.  Creationism and Darwinism, are NOT mutually exclusive.  Maybe, Evolution was GODs plan.  The good book says GOD created man in his own image; It does NOT, however, say HOW this was acomplished.
Great quote by Peter Bowler to get the mental juices flowing. Nice article. Thanks!

The discussion topic is, as I understand the author's specific invitation to comment upon...the interaction of morality and science…specifically as it apples to genetic evolution... First, it is possible to have this discussion without putting down a whole people group by using lower case “g” for God on the back end of a sentence that implies there are only two groups in the debate: Smart and Dumb based on religious faith.

I think it is a "both/and" scenario....there is clear evidence that our world is in an ions old struggle for genetic survival and that environment/power/circumstance does indeed shape our world genetically...and YET humans seem to be so self-aware and capable of reflection, planning and power to choose actions that we must discuss "how" and even "why" we came to be this way...as well as what seems to be universal in human interaction....including moral code…it’s source, relevance and implications as effected by knowledge, experience AND science.

However, if we are too pliable and subjective we may find ourselves adrift in a world that is dominated by the will or strength of whom is most powerfulor popular at the moment…to possibly only discover that in the end there was/is indeed an absolute truth that dictates right vs. wrong APART from genetic/species improvement, natural circumstances and human power.

We may, at that point,become governed (self and by others) only in the context of a contemporary power and circumstances. Is that best? Is that human? For animals we seem to be comfortable watching this occur in wild nature…how about at the next HOA meeting you find yourself enduring?

So science is helpful and well-suited to "upsetting the traditional foundations to how we think about the world... and often does lead "interact(ing) with moral values". However, that is where the baton passes to other applied approaches: Psychology, Philosophy, Law, History and yes, even Theology.

Integration is required to further the discussion.

There is a difference between theory and fact, and the fact remains that Darwin's ideas are still theory.

For all the pontificating and railing against creationists, no evolutionist has ever been able to explain without sounding silly the source of the so-called'primordial soup.'
Hiram, and to others above: It's not that science is trying to disprove the existence of God, it is just that his existence cannot be studied by any techniques. The scientific method operates by two main criteria: verifiable observations and repeatable experiments. If a supernatural being instigated this evolutionary process we humans at this time do not have any way of studying this. "Poof! A miracle occurs and life begins" cannot be acknowledged by any experiments or an observation that everyone can see. Perhaps at some point science will be able to study the influence of an omnipotent creator and its participation can be included in new theories but not at this time.
Science only works by what can be sensed and studied by individuals anywhere and at anytime. That is how  Christian, Hindu, Buddist, and atheist scientists can all work amicably together on furthering our knowledge. At this time evolution has been verified numerous times using the scientfic method and is about as sure as the theory of gravity. Some may not which to agree with it but a thousand years ago many faithful were sure that the Earth was the center of the universe and the sun, moon and stars all revolved around it, but you would be hard put to find even the most religuous who still believe this today.  
Lets see, Evolution hints at a "primordial soup" that states we were "formed" from a series of chemicals and some reaction (Lightning?); which could be the method God used to "formed" us from dust (which, by the way, does contain all the ingredients listed) and then we "evolved" into a more "intelligent" creation (which, by the way, God did state we would do when we built the tower of Babel); so what's the argument? All God's creatures evolve and adapt according to their surroundings. i.e. I would have "evolved" as a different person if I was born in, say, Russia vs. the United States.  As far as natural selection goes and that only the "fittest" survive, it is all crap; (because one catastrophic event can change everything-remember the dinosaurs?). Otherwise, without some form of morality (which evidence shows it originated from "God") the only thing that would be left on this planet earth would be roaches and rats (think about it people...). According to the article, the Evolution Theory is still evolving (what an oxy-moron) but God's Word has been around for thousands of years with no revisions to its root message (only to those who seek to gain their own "copyright") I'll stick with both; eventually Gods creation will evolve to be like Him due to "His" natural selection...
@Hiram:
Just because we can recreate natural phenomena in an "intelligent" manner, does not mean that said phenomena has always come about in that manner. Your "I saw act X occur by method Y, therefore act X always occur by method Y and no other method can create it" argument doesn't hold water. If I were to dam up a river, and cause a lake to form, would that prove that all lakes are created by dammed rivers?

As far as this accusation of spending "way too much" time trying to disprove God, for the last time, evolutionary science does not disprove God. Many religions, most notably the Catholic Church, accept evolution as completely compatible with their God, spirituality, etc. Just because it's not compatible with God/religion as you would define it does not make incompatible absolutely.
marty: Stephen Jay Gould once postulated that perhaps the chicken was the best way the egg could find to reproduce itself! Having said that, I find it amazing that any sentient being could seriously question Darwin's postulates. The current issue of Scientific American contains a number of excellent articles
Funny how a species has never been discovered in "transition", half changed. Why hasnt the Coelecanth fish evolved? Its been millions of years supposedly? The origin of the species will remain as it has been, a sham. I remember a story hwere Darwin asked for his BIBLE upon his deathbed. GL to all you Darwinists, I suppose you can greet Madelyne Ohare if the Devil allows contact with her where your going.
Alan, was "Larry from Modesto" a clever plant by a MSNBC editor (or you!)to get this discussion going with a swift kick in the mental pants? "Larry" are you real? "Larry" are you chuckling right now at your keyboard? Are you type of guy who yells "FIGHT" at a bar and moves to the wall to enjoy watching the outcome...real funny "Larry"...real funny. Actually it is!

[ALAN ADDS: Nope, the comment was authentic, as far as I know. But thanks for bringing a smile to my face  ;-)]
I'm so glad that I have lived my life as though there is a Real God,If I'm right I've lost nothing . But if I'm wrong then Ive lost everything,plus my only chance to make it. For after death you have no chance for salvation, or any other recourse  to get it right.I'd rather go to sleep knowing for sure that I was going to Heaven. If you don't believe me just try the Lord , and if you don't like it the devil will always take you back.
If it takes a complex being like God to create Man, who created God?  Intelligent design indicates that Man is too complex to come from randomness.  So, in turn, something that orchestrates the creation of man must be at least equally complex.  Therefore, God must be too complex to have originated from randomness and must have been intelligently created as well.
 Who created God?
Theory or scientific fact - it doesn't really matter. The unfathomable complexity of an organism indicates the undeveloped intelligence of the species attempting to understand it, not the presence of an all-powerful and supremely omnipotent god. There is a distinction between cognitive thought and postcard wisdom. Darwin's ideas are the result of cognitive thought, monotheism is postcard wisdom. We as a species are on the beach of the great and infinite sea. To stand on that beach and take a grain of sand and say I now know all that I need to know about the universe from this one grain of sand is to condemn our species to stagnation and extinction. To look to the sea and imagine other beaches made from sand wholly different from our own is to continue the species. In the future, its evolution that will end this debate itself ... religion suggests that you should stay on that beach and die ... the futurists will inherit the universe, the past and present are beaches full of dead postcard sophists.
I wish the word "theory" would have been defined.  Its meaning is very different to scientists than it is to the general population.

For Bob, Tulsa, OK:  "without some form of morality (which evidence shows it originated from "God")"

What specific evidence would that be?
Some people BELIEVE that evolution is a fact that cannot be questioned, rather than a scientific theory. Others are against it simply because of their religious BELIEFS.

Here is what I think. Both positions have nothing to do with science, but they are rather based on personal beliefs. Evolution is not a "fact" unless you want it to be your religion. Nor is it a "lie" unless you want to subject science to the will of the religion industry.

I think that evolution is a valid scientific theory that is open for discussion, just like the rest of science. Nothing more, nothing less.
Atheists are religious.  I see more fanatical frothing at the mouth coming from Richard Dawkins than I've seen at a tent revival.  Dawkins has a world view he supports with the zeal of a whirling dervish.  He's Darwin's superstar.  He is as miserable as I once became when I attended church three times a week.  One can be a human being or a human doing.  This is the difference between most physicists and true metaphysicians.  It is the difference between intolerance of faith and acceptance, fear based living and love based living, polarized thinking and being free enough to think outside any box.  Natural selection, survival of the fittest and random mutation are not only thinking inside a box; the box is very small and very ugly.  Trapping the spiritedness that makes us fully human beings in a box is wrong.  Our spirits allow the creation around us to inspire us to feel love, joy, peace, and many other needful emotions. It is indeed wicked to ignore spiritedness.    I think I need to go to a pet store now and watch a chameleon for a while and be amazed at the glory of it.  I'll think about ever changing 'science' so much like the chameleon: exotic, yet germ ridden, slimy and changing its hues to hide from Intelligent Design.  I'll marvel and learn and take to the unseen, marvelous realm yet another metaphor.
Bob, I think you are mixing together some very different issues. "Biological evolution" refers to the genetic-based changes of species over time.  The question of the origin of life is a completely different issue.  We still don't how life began, but we know quite a lot about how it evolved from there.

While the word "evolution" in English can many any "change," the scientific study of "Biological evolution" is strictly defined as above. An individual's changes throughout life are considered "development," not evolution.

The question of whether there can be morality without God is a fascinating one that we will likely be discussing from here to eternity, but it has nothing to do with science or evolution.
Bradley H. Springfield Mo...put your bible down, pick up a book on evolution and read about the overwhelming evidence for evolution.  This is no longer disputable.  Evolution is a fact.  If you look at the evidence from a neutral perspective you will come to no other conclusion.  Sorry it doesn't agree with your bronze age text; deal with it.
The implication of evolution is that species somehow "evolve" into improved specie...on and on.  If that were true, then the fossil record would be all the proof we need regarding the efficacy of the theory.  However, there does not exist, in the fossil record, any evidence of one species "evolving" into another.  What the fossil record does show is that species came on the scene and exit eons later - for a number of not so clear reasons.  For example, it has been suggested that birds "evolved" from dinosaurs.  Prove it!
There is only two options.  Either there is a God or there isn't.  Both of these options require faith in order to believe in them.  This is something more people need to realize: it is no harder to believe in a supreme God than it is to believe in evolution and accidents, if you don't believe this think of that age old question "where did this all come from anyways?".  Ahh, see, both require faith.  In fact some would argue it takes a lot more faith for one than the other, but that is beside the point.  If there really is a supreme God how is it so hard for people to understand that he has the power to create however a complex animal or earth system that he wants. If God wants to create it he will.  If he wanted to create an earth that has rock layers that would have taken billions of years to form naturally and instead create it in an instant why not.  He is God right, he can do whatever he wants, yet for some reason we limit him, we say, "No if there really was a God he could have only created gases or maybe a couple different kinds of minerals that could later melt and mold and erode together to form the earth as we know it today.  No surely this God you speak of does not have this kind of absolute power you speak of, the only cool power he has is to create something out of nothing, and what kind of power is that?".  I hope you begin to see my point, and I understand that most still don't believe in God and you are free to believe whatever you wish but you must see that it really is not that much harder to believe in God than it is to believe in accidents.  However if you choose to believe in God do not limit his power, who are you to tell God what he did and did not do or what he is capable of.  Give God some credit (give him all the credit), after all he is God.
"The concept that humans, as complex and perfect as they are, found their beginnings in some random, accidental primordial soup is too fantastic to be believed. "

Humans are not perfect and the way we are now was not a predetermined endpoint of evolution.  Evolution is not a roadmap, it's simply the process by which life changes over time.  Humans could have evolved in infinite different ways.  Because we evolved the way we did was not "too fantastic", it's just the way we were shaped by the environment around us over millions of generations.

The crux of the debate is that the religiouus view sees humans as a "chosen" life form above animals and science see humans as just another type of animal.  
Biology needs to be elevated in academics to a more required level, because I'm constantly amazed at the volume of people who criticize Modern Biology from a point of view that shows a complete lack of understanding.

I guess it makes it ironic that our evolutionary past is what motivates us to be superstitious, to fear the dark and avoid giving reason and logic enough credit.

Science: it works!
What remains conspicuous in its absence to anyone who really understands science is how to get from Miller-Urey's amino acids to 'productive' RNA enzymes.  If you compare life to a house, Miller-Urey did the equivalent of showing that muddy straw left in the sun could become hard like a brick.  It takes a lot more to put the first brick on top of another and orders of magnitude more complexity to build even a simple hut.
There's a long long road between an amino acid and something that wiggles on its own.
The "Universe" is Infinate, it has no edges, therefore it has no middle, and consequently, no place to start ANYTHING, or for that matter to STOP anything. Evolution is a way to change things in a logical way, a little here a little there. NOT A WAY TO START ANYTHING. THE CHANGES WILL GO ON FOREVER.


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