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Hope on a pale blue dot

Posted: Friday, December 19, 2008 7:32 PM by Alan Boyle


NASA
 Voyager's view
 of Earth as a
 pale blue dot.

Are you celebrating Christmas? Observing Hanukkah? Marking Sunday's winter solstice? Commemorating Carl Sagan's legacy?

Across the spiritual spectrum, this is the season of hope on our pale blue dot - even if you don't believe in God (or gods).

During the buildup to Christmas and Hanukkah, the news media tend to turn more attention to matters of faith, delving into the historical context for millennia-old beliefs. For example, this month's National Geographic's cover story focuses on what archaeologists and historians have found out about King Herod, the bad guy in the biblical Nativity story. (We recently posted an article about the wonders within Herod's tomb.)

But the Christmas season isn't just for Christians anymore: Even atheists are picking up on the holiday spirit, with evolutionary biologist Richard Dawkins and like-minded deep thinkers putting on a show called "Nine Lessons and Carols for the Godless." The London show looks at marvels such as the big bang, evolution and the nature of consciousness from a totally secular perspective.

Dawkins told the Telegraph that he was taking part in the show because he was "fed up with atheists being portrayed as Scrooges, trying to rain on Christmas."

Whether you're more concerned about the soul or the solstice, December provides a good opportunity for reflecting on cosmic themes. You don't have to be a religious believer to get into that reflective frame of mind. "You just have to be an astronomical believer," Ann Druyan, the widow of the late astronomer (and agnostic) Carl Sagan, told me today.

Even before Jesus' time, ancient cultures marked the winter solstice as a time when the world was at its darkest, a time when each succeeding day brought more light, and more hope for renewal. "It's very human to feel that way about this time of year," she said.

The fact that this weekend also marks the 12th anniversary of her husband's death adds to Druyan's reflective mood. So does the recent passing of two of Sagan's colleagues: Steven Ostro, an astronomer at NASA's Jet Propulsion Laboratory; and Cornell astrophysicist Ed Salpeter.

"There's a sense of sadness, but also tremendous hope - more hope for the future than I've had for a long time," Druyan said.

One big reason for that is last month's election of President-elect Barack Obama - the candidate for whom Druyan went doorbell-ringing this year. Obama's recent choices for science-related posts have added to her optimism. "I think Carl would have worked to get Obama elected," Druyan said. "I think he would have been very excited."

Although it's been 12 years since Sagan left this life, his legacy is, if anything, more lively than ever. Druyan is tickled to hear that people are selling WWSD (What Would Sagan Do?) T-shirts and that there are thousands and thousands of Carl Sagan videos on YouTube. (It hasn't gotten to the "billions and billions" level ... yet.)

Here's a holiday treat: Carl Sagan delivers the Royal Institution Christmas
Lectures in 1977, on the topic of the planets.

One video that Druyan is especially proud of was posted by NASA just recently, focusing on the creation of the Carl Sagan Exoplanet Fellowships. She sees the fellowship program as a vindication for Sagan's long-held belief that astronomers would discover alien planets beyond our solar system, and perhaps alien life as well.

In the old days, the idea that astrophysicists might be studying the prospects for extraterrestrial life was "kind of scandalous," Druyan recalled. Now that quest is part of the scientific mainstream.

Sagan's contributions went beyond the purely scientific sphere: His deepest insights had to do with humanity's place in the cosmos, and the immense array of wonders surrounding our celestial home. It was Sagan who persuaded NASA to place a record of Earth's sights and sounds on probes heading out from the solar system. And it was Sagan who suggested that Voyager 1 take a family portrait of the planets as they receded in the probe's conceptual rear-view mirror.

When the pictures came back, Sagan rhapsodized about the smallness - and the largeness - of the "pale blue dot" where all of human history has taken place:

"It has been said that astronomy is a humbling and character-building experience. There is perhaps no better demonstration of the folly of human conceits than this distant image of our tiny world. It underscores our responsibility to deal more kindly with one another, and to preserve and cherish the only home we’ve ever known, the pale blue dot."

This mash-up is inspired by Carl Sagan's "Pale Blue Dot" lecture.

With that, I'll open the floor for your own reflections on the interplay of science and spirituality, of faith and skepticism. For additional inspiration, here are links to online symposia from past years:

This year, I ask that you be respectful of others' comments when you make your own. After all, this is the season of hope.


For still more cosmic food for thought, check out Druyan's latest posting to The Observatory blog, the "Closer to Truth" Web site, this Voice of America remembrance of Sagan and this previous posting on the "gospels of science."

Update for 1 a.m. ET Dec.20: As fortune would have it, Clark Lindsey's Space for All blog is linking to the Voyager Golden Record Web site, which offers the images and audio clips that were placed aboard the Voyager probes. Any aliens who come across Mozart's "Queen of the Night" aria and the other masterpieces would have to realize that humanity wasn't all bad.

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If looking up don't make ya wanna b'lieve in something, check yer pulse.
It's all the same place, and we are in it!
Season's Best...
Mankind is always curious;even if it means being stupid and exploring space!Carl Sagan was a great astronomer!But aliens are not important;Our world is so screwed up;First mankind has to look at their doomed planet!
let's save the little blue dot for future generations stop global warming now!
If I was an alien aware of the despicable impact the inhabitants of earth were inflicting on that poor blue dot and themselves, after travelling through untold vistas, I would certainly want to do something about it.
i like the bridges between planets art by the 19th century french artist. Popular science dreams of faster than light bridges linkng physical places.
As we slowly grow conscious of our galactic position, our place "in the heavens" becomes as clear as our
understanding of eachother.
The universe is full of wonders so numerous that one person would be hard-pressed to ponder each and every one for a few minutes over the course of one's lifetime(try reading ALL of ScienceDaily.com's articles, for example).  And recent news seems to indicate that it is also too late to stop global warming, with all it's horrible implications.  The end of the world as we know it?  Probably.  Possibly.  The end of times coming?  And foretold, predicted, a few thousand years ago.  My oh my!
Why do you speak as if preserving this world and exploring others, are mutually exclusive? Ours is a civilization that *can* walk and chew gum at the same time.

And if you don't believe that, then do you realistically believe that the sliver of resources devoted to space exploration would (or could) be diverted to your pet causes? Trust me, it's never that simple.

And if you still disagree...then why *are* you reading a space-oriented blog?

So why, again, spend your time on a science blog talking about religion?
It is Christmas time one more in our part of the Galaxy
Around our globe a prayer be heard for a world all wish would be
A message of love and joy and peace for idle hearts to know
Words of inspiration and a commitment to make it so
So may joy reside within your heart and peace embrace your soul
May the light of love guide your every step in this your Earthly stroll
And may you be, this Christmas, all which you hold dear
But most of all, may your Christmas be every day of every year

__ Robere
Carl Sagan was a wonderful man and I believe strongly we are not alone. I feel we must spreas our wings and try to find these aliens as we are their seed. Besides they may be able to help with all our whoas. Global warming I feel is not in part our doing. The earth has a cycle and many things can bring about that cycle and whose to say if she is warming due to us maybe this world is suppose to be warmer and yes it may not be good for man.
Why are we being subjected to religious dogma in a science column?  I wonder how many Mosques and Churches preach about the wonders of Quantum Physics, Cosmology or Evolution?  Perhaps, mankind would be better off if they did!

[ALAN ADDS: Whenever we have one of these discussions over science, religion, politics, culture, etc., there are always comments about "why do I have to read this in a science blog" ... There's a reason why this is called Cosmic Log, and not Science Log or Space Log. As I said in the beginning (May 13, 2002), this is a place to reflect on the "follies and mysteries of mankind" as well as the wonders of the wider cosmos.] 
Organized religion is just another socio-political entity engaged in suppression of the ideas and lifestyles which it cannot control or subvert to its own agenda.  Religion has no place in science, just as science has no place in religion.  One deals with beliefs, one deals with facts.  Don't confuse the two.
Everyone has faith in a god, whether it be Christ, Buddha or themselves.  I hope you pick the right one.
I pick the only one that knows the future and told us about it.  I pick the one that gave his life for me to live.  
Christ is Lord of all.
Time to raise the Christianity vs science debate.  Richard Dawkins, in debate with John Lennox, stated that he was an atheist and therefore not religious and did not need to rely on faith at which point John reminded him that if to believe in a God takes faith then to believe in no God takes just as much faith. The Bible states "In the beginnng God", Carl Sagan states "In the beginning Matter" neither side can prove nor disprove the other, a stalemate so to speak; or a 50-50 choice in the greatest of all questions, the "Meaning of Life". When someone bakes a Cake, science can analyze the cake and decribe the very chemical make-up of the cake, its weight, dimensions and even shelf-life but it CANNOT explain why the cake was made in the first place. In the same way science without God can only answer some questions but not all.  So instead of Science OR Christianity I say Science AND Christianity because to me, a scientist and a Christian, I see Science as the revelation of God's wonderful creation. To me an understanding of the nature of God from the little I can understand from the Bible makes so much sense when observing the facts obtained from Scientific experimentation.

So, Happy Birthday Jesus and please continue to allow us to discover your universe.
When you look at the Galaxy, you go to wonder why is man imiagation limited to thinking of the Big Bang. Yet, with the plants set in place you know there is a God and he sent his son to gather his selected from one ends of the heavens to the other.  So Christmas is reason we have to not only look at God but he creation of our Galaxy and Earth.  We are and won't be the first to destory our own planet cause of man's greed and selfness.
Ben
What a wonderful time to think back on: Hope and long-haired intellectualism will ultimately save us.

DING!....times up....evil won.

Decide what you are going to do with the time you have left.
Don't worry about man destroying the world Jesus (The Word) Made the world and only he will destroy it. Then He will give us a much better one. Everyone should be looking foward to that. Believe in Jesus and everything will be OK and you wont have to set around worrying about what is going to become of the world. You Know scientist are wrong more often than they are right, but God almighty and Jesus are always right. Study your Biblical prophisey.
Thomas Ashby. . .You are an Alien, You are from Canada
the universal thought s/b peace and harmony.for the heavens are basis of our eternity,no end found.....

Re: ...be respectful of others' (quote)
Re: ...if you don't believe in God. (quote)

Ever notice how we so subtly discriminate and disrespect with implied semantic meaning?  For example, God is always used as singular - one - the only one. You never say "...believe in A god...or ...gods."  This only serves to keep the focus on the mid east judaic christianity semantics and on the one god concept. That way we do a subtle mind game of influence on the listener. That is disrespectful of other cultures that don't have one central deity!  It serves to exclude them from the conversation.  It is also disrespectful of those that are deity free.  These two groups contain a substantial portion of the worlds people today.  They deserve more respect. Stop the semantic written discrimination..... please!

[ALAN ADDS: Actually, that's a good point, and I'll amend the reference. Thanks!]

Great article. I will just point people to my website and youtube about the film I'm working on that is inspired and dedicated to Carl Sagan & Stanley Kubrick:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=e8A0uoNQCOc

http://www.outsideinthemovie.com/
Thanks Carl Sagan; Neil DeGrasse, Albert Einstein, Corpornicus and countless other brilliant other people from saving me from just having to listen to neo-cons.
It's a sad thing to note that the reason it was once 'scandalous' to consider the possibility of Extraterestrial Life, is the same reason so many Scientists are Atheists! But then one could be BURNED AT THE STAKE ALIVE (case in point: Bruno!) for such beliefs, in the not-so-distant past.
Even the Hubble Constant reeks - in my not-so-humble view - of 'Pre-Copernicanism'; as it assumes that we are - still - at the center of the Universe!
Personally: I believe in Physical Evolution - like Dawkins; but also in 'Soulular' Evolution - like my fellow Buddhists; thus I see no conflict with Science in my Faith.
And now in the Primitive Ancestor Derived Silly Dogma Department: Let us all pray that the Dragon who has been trying to swallow THE SUN (!) spits it back out Tommorow!
Words are never sufficient, but here goes.  All "facts" of mankind are based upon core assumptions, primarily observation (although most such as Einstein rely first upon some form of intuition -- or thought experiments -- and then use observation to "prove" the "facts" revealed by intuition to the rest of the world)...as if observations alone were enough to make an interpretation of the "facts" be absolute truth.  If observations were the Truth, we might still be stuck in the dark ages, using solely Newtonian mechanics to build mathematical models of the universe.  As it is, science uses Quantum models and stochastic methods to predict the universe when required to the level of detail at which Newtonian mechanics fail (for instance, satellite technologies require relativistic calculations).  Even the most modern models and theories break down or are imperfect.  Stochastic methods are actually a great way to understand the universe, that is, there is a calculable probability that anything anyone can imagine is possible.  In fact, there is some probability that NOTHING really exists.  The point is: Time and Again Mankind's Fundamental "Facts" as revealed to and by the most gifted and revered minds of their respective times have PROVEN FLAWED.  And yet, we find among us those who utterly dismiss the possibility of a God.  I would submit that the search for God is science.  It is the search for Truth -- is there a God or not?  This is the essence of why we exist -- to answer this question.  Anyone who loves life cannot deny God, by whatever religion, is currently the only chance any of us have to continue living beyond the death of the physical body.  The option is complete death and acceptance of death as the limit of everything, including our world when it is eventually engulfed by the sun, and including our universe when it eventually collapses into itself due to gravity.  At least those are the current theories of our eventual demise...in the case that we fail to destroy ourselves first...if global warming has not already accomplished this end.  Therefore, I will continue to pursue life and to seek God, with all my heart, soul, and mind, through scientific methods and any other tool available to me, flawed though these are.  This God I pursue is the same God that requires me to love my fellow humans as I love myself.  Godspeed and Merry Christmas!
I just wonder about all of you who are complaining about what we are doing to our world; What are you doing to solve the problems besides complaining on a blog?  So far all I've done is write my Congresswoman one to two emails a day expressing my concerns but I know I can do more.
I think that the most important aspect of this article is that regardless of position on "faith" that this is a time that we can take to reflect on how wonderful that we are alive and that perhaps it is a time just as good as any to start changing our world for the better.  Listen!  We whom have no religion are just in awe (if not more) about our existance and often are far more humbled because we feel this is our one-and-only chance to a happy life.  Thanks to Carl Sagan's efforts and those that follow in his footsteps this "pale blue dot" may one day enter into a new era when superstition and folklore are trumped by fact and real knowledge that promotes the common good and welfare for all mankind.  
I will be celebrating the solstice.  Thank you for mentioning that.

My spiritual path is grounded in nature, and my passion of late is studying tropical cyclones.  This may sound strange, but I can't think of anything more spiritually-connected than observing the weather.
If we are every to expand into the universe, the galactic society, it will have to be of our own accomplishments.  for if we meet other beings by them comming to us, they will either be conquers, in which case we wont stand a snow balls chance in hell of surviving other than slaves, or they will be of great intelligence and compation, in which case they will turn away, leave us and cry.  ~JusDav~
Go Margie K! Our blue dot talks if we but listen!
The weather is a newspaper to how it feels lately.
Yuletide blessings in your direction there...
Keep your humor and wits about you! :)
Umbrellas, anyone? (nod to Sting here, LOL)
Carl Sagan is/was my all-time favorite person! My only disappointment was that he was too easy on people who continue to babble religious/superstitious nonsense. Listen, the dinosaurs dominated the earth for 140 million years and the earth existed for 4.5 billion years before our ape species ever came into existence (about 200,000 years ago). If there is a Heaven then it must be full of saintly dinosaurs, trilobites and bacteria! For pity's sake, quit believing in things which are based on zero evidence and are simply social ideologies which have a three-fold purpose: 1)To unify a society 2)To remind the little people that they will always be little and keep them in their place 3)To give us an overblown sense of cosmic self-importance. Religion is a Human construct and the Universe doesn't even know or care that we exist. I've never seen anything that couldn't be explained by understanding the laws of nature. Trying to explain our complex Universe by postulating the existence of an even more complex creature that created it, is NO explanation at all! Where did God come from then? And why is God behaving exactly like a petty, Middle-Eastern tyrant? Isn't it interesting that people always believe exactly what their society has indoctrinated them with from childhood? There are as many beliefs as there are societies - past and present. Sure, we don't know why there is Something instead of Nothing or how life arose, but a hundred years ago we didn't know you could send messages across thousands of miles or that chimpanzees are our genetic cousins. Let's deny the religious muddle-brains and psychopaths any credibility or they'll keep us in the Dark Ages forever while they rule their multi-billion dollar empire and their priests burn our women at the stake and rape our children. Hurray for Richard Dawkins - one of the (few) "brights". Am I an Atheist? You BETCHA!
Scripture teaches us that the only unforgivable sin is doubting the power of the Holy Spirit to reconcile all relationship - not excluding, I would guess, the relationship between science and religion.  

It just hasn't been fully revealed to us humans, yet.
May Carl return after a long trip through the galaxy of eternal hope to find us still here in the future, a more peaceful place where we may all be better off in the next age; with or without the alien presence!
I agree with mike we have problems we must fix before we meet any extraterrestrials. If ET's are visiting maybe the problems we currently have are what keeps tem from contanting us. Theistic or Atheistic  I think we all agree that the universe is incredible.
There are so MANY FUN ways I could go with this discussion.  The possibilities boggle the mind...heh heh heh.  For instance, I could mention all those fantastic TV and radio transmissions flung far out in space over the decades; most of which if picked up by extraterrestrial intelligence, probably wouldn't inspire an intergalatic travel brochure to our neighborhood anytime soon.  (It would be really embarrassing to have to apologize for the transmissions of shows like "V" and "Battlestar Galactica".....the original one, that is....not to mention the 6 o' clock news...ahem).  Could mention some fun views on religion....Aztec...Mayan....Roman Catholic Church....Islam...Broadway plays in New York...take your pick.  Viewpoints on the state of the world's economy....ecological nightmares brought on by "the dream team" of so many governments.  If I wanted to be REALLY Devious....mention those brilliant connections between Christmas and those lovely good ol' days of ancient Rome when the festival of Saturnalia was practiced....

But nahhhh.....the very concept of an end of the year Holiday is to take a much needed break from the everyday noise.  Sometimes, you need to just kick back and enjoy time with family and friends (Time itself may seem infinite as a whole, but we really only lease it...it can never be owned).  Have some great conversations, enjoy some meals, drinks, whatever....

And if you have to wonder..."Is there anyone out there??  What's it all mean?....Is our world ending?...Is There Really a God out There?...Will I ever balance my checkbook?"....Those questions will hang around in 2009 as well, just waiting to be picked up, pondered and blogged about...both for and against.

Enjoy just taking a break and unplugging for a moment.  Go out with friends and family.  Light the fireplace.  At least be thankful that Christmas is a day off from work (Unless you're in retail...but then you get Holiday Pay anyway...).

And on Christmas Day...if you find yourself reading this thread, and you have no relatives or friends coming over...it's just you and your computer...and you're back to wondering what it all means...if anything at all....then let me say just a few words to you...

Merry Christmas...Happy Holidays...there is always hope...(and you're damned good if you made it this far!!)  Oh...and look up and smile every so often.  You never know whom may be watching.

Cheers!!  ;-)!
Most concepts of God come from later bastardizations and commodifications of unifying concepts.  In simple terms, most people are incapable of conceiving of anything greater than themselves as anything but some anthropomorphised idea.

Even the Jesus myth comes from far older Egyptian ones.  The main point is that God itself signifies the unifying consciousness which sources in YOU.  Can you remember a time when you were not?  Do you remember being born?

As far as you know, you are immortal.  This is where the idea of God, or Gods, comes from.  The idea that you are the source of all consciousness and creation.  We are talking about the infinite and the absolute.

Ancient Vedanta proved Quantum Physics long ago through the contemplation of pure logic.  Yet that is likely because we have burned this planet more than once.  All it would take is a simple churning of Earth's crust and we would never know?

All just ideas though, please do not be hung up on anything other than "what you are."  YOU are pure consciousness and I am but a reflection of your imagination.

Love to you all.
Gouthum
Ohhh God Margie...I have a chance to go to a "solstice party" and I am not going on principle.  I appreciate the changing seasons but not to that degree. Carl Sagan wouldn't have even bothered with such an idea.
Why do science and religion have to be seperate? I am a devout Catholic and yet I firmly believe in Evolution, and all the other accepted scientific thinking. What's so wrong with the idea that the Big Bang was the tool that a supreme being used to create the universe? Or that evolution is God's photoshop, the medium that she uses to create our world. Wasn't it Einstein himself who said "Show me the thoughts of God, the rest is just details..." ?
I'd like to see more research done in the area labeled generally as 'paranormal phenomena.'

Amateurs are treading now where no one in most mainstream scientific circles desires to tread, primarily for fear of ridicule and scorn, or reproach from family and friends, especially those with staunch religious beliefs that label such things as 'evil.'

We need more focused study upon the 'non-physical' part of our reality.  That which isn't seen has is own causative/effective science just as our own observable universe.  Remember, the only reason we can't see it with the naked eye is because our ocular orbs are only set for seeing in a specified spectrum of light.  Light that we can't see exists surely as the light that we can.

Let's spread our own 'Light of Observance, Reporting, and Sharing of the Knowledge, Unto the Light of Wisdom' with each and every one of those same Family, Friends, and Colleagues with whom we have daily contact.

This is one way to throw off the shackles of ignorance, and become truly dedicated to understanding fully our True Natures, whatever they may turn out to be.
Now come on boys and girls, do you really think that God built this great big Universe and only put people on OUR little blue planet? It is a pretty impressive system He built, don't you think.
Merry Christmas!
As a Historian, the religious myths of our modern Judeo-Christian culture were all based upon older myths.  Jesus evolved from previous "saviors" like Mithra & the miracle stories were re-writes of older myths.  So I can confidently state that their is no valid evidence that the Christian deity exist.  Does that mean I have ruled out the possibility that a "higher being" exist somewhere out in this universe or any other... of course not.  I just know that the Christians are wrong, along with the Jews, Muslims, Hindu, etc.

Claiming that a belief in the supernatural is a 50-50 proposition is misleading.  The default reality is that there is only the natural world and the assertion being made is that "insert god of your choice here" exist and we should believe and have faith is such a deity's existence.  The burden of proof is on the party making the assertion, in this case, theists.  If you claim that a supernatural being is real, bring the proof rather than just making statements based on faith.  Extraordinary claims demand extraordinary proof.

My family and I will celebrate the Winter Solstice as we look forward to the longer sunny days of Spring.  The Northern hemisphere experiences a "rebirth" as the seemingly dead natural world is resurrected in the new growth as the sun brings warmth and light.  Hmmm, makes you wonder where those resurrection myths originated doesn't it?

Have a Merry & Safe Winter Solstice and remember Reason is The Reason for the Season.
The same people that devoutly believe in god and creationism are the same people that believed the world was flat and when that was disproven they said well the sun revolves around the earth when that was disproven they said that the galaxy revolves around our solar system and on and on and on,quit thinking so highly of yourselves!we are nothing in the grand scheme of things other than a semi aware parasite on an incredibly evolved planet!
We believe in stories; they are useful models that work for us in so many instances that we choose to invest in them.
May All the Blessings of This Mysterious Wonder-Season be with You and Yours.
This is a fascinating discussion.  Carl Sagan had an amazing mind and vision.  I see the science vs. religion and belief vs. proof debate as a symptom of modern American culture.  We have tried to separate these into two separate realms.  But we don't succeed in this because humans seek an integrated world view of life.  We are living in a time of fragmented cultures that lack integration and, thus, integrity.  

To solve the lack of integrity science seeks a unified theory of everything that can account for everything, including our own existence.  This has not been achieved but is a goal for many scientific thinkers.

Religions, on their better days, seek peace and defend some version of universal truth using theological language supported by scriptures, usually writings from antiquity.  Religions, sometimes, seek to co-opt science and distort it into their own image to support or manufacture their world views and still call it science.   Sometimes religions argue against science investigating an area of research that the religion claims is sacred.  Rarely do religions rooted in dogma and tradition fully embrace the scientific method for fear that something of their dogma (beliefs) may be challenged.  Science is threatening to those in religious authority who fear whatever might undermine the presumed claimed certainty for religious beliefs and faith.

Scientists, on the other hand, who comprehend the world through the use of the scientific method and participate in creating the sciences of physics, chemistry, biology, and ecology, are the new high priests of our world.  They create the latest discoveries and solve the great mysteries.  They are the ones to whom societies look for technological breakthroughs, new cancer treatments, improved medicines, and a host of other products and inventions.  Most of us use these marvels as consumers but never understand or comprehend them.  Scientists have created the knowledge to do marvelous and wondrous things.  Many of these things are sold to us as material goods making us materialistic consumers.  

The question for science is whether it can eventually give us something more than materialism.  Is there anything spiritual and value laden that accompanies breakthroughs in knowledge and science?  Carl Sagan as an astrophysicist certainly evoked a sense of curiosity, excitement, awe and a sense of profound humility that seemed to me deeply spiritual.

I have spent nearly 40 years as a Lutheran pastor steeped in Christian faith and the tradition of grace, mercy and love as core faith values.  Good values, I must say.  But I also must tell you that for me the flat earth world view in "the Bible" doesn't do much for my sense of awe.  Faith rooted in scriptures of antiquity poses major issues for anyone aware of the dynamic scientific enterprise of discovery.  This may surprise you, but I find the word pictures for God rooted in an ancient nomadic culture of two to four thousand years ago also don't inspire me or WOW me very much as a post agrarian human being who is now urbanized.  I am presuming that these images did connect with people who lived closer to the land and to sheep.  So I’m a bit jaded when it comes to being WOWed.  

But when I saw for the first time the Hubble's deep field images of the faintest light from stars and galaxies populating the early universe I was awestruck.  I realized that this is the first time this ancient light has revealed itself.  Here is where the sense of immensity and humility is encountered, the immensity of the universe and the small reality of my singular life.  These are experiences that one would describe as amazing, awe inspiring, spiritual.  

The God imagined in Western religions is small compared to what Hubble has revealed to us in this season of our human development.  And this is the crisis for traditional religious communities.  We are attached to old world views and sacred images and we have not absorbed nor understand the true wonders and amazing weird discoveries revealed in astronomy, physics, life sciences and the like.  The recently uncovered genomic research into understanding what replicates living creatures is just now revealing much.  The scientific method is unlocking the secrets of life in a way never before imagined.  Some traditional religions are reacting to this with fear and condemnation.  Such a stance condemns religion to the role of being a negative voice holding back advances in medicine.  It is rare for religions to promote advances in science.  

I am hoping and recommending in this season that more of us who identify as religious would try to learn and understand what are the theories and discoveries of science so that we can discover a new sense of awe and wonder.  In addition, I think it is good that we question religious claims and theologies espoused that too often lead to persecution, condemnation, threats of damnation against minorities, non believers, etc.  Such beliefs become like viruses that contaminate and justify horrific deeds against the ecosystem as well as all humanity. Radical religious hatred married, for example, to justification for use of a nuclear bomb to create Armageddon to bring Jesus back is my worst nightmare.  Unfortunately humans can use their religion and technology to create hell.  We all must be wary of this.  The good news is that we still are living and that is the basis for hope.

Along with Carl Sagan, seeing earth as the small blue dot is amazing.  That we exist is amazing.  That life flourishes is amazing.  That this conversation happens is astounding.  We have the capacity to wonder, investigate, test, learn, unlearn, reflect, question and believe.  It's amazing that we have the capacity to be amazed.

Remember, most of the universe is hostile to life.  The "small blue dot" is a very small niche in the universe where life grew up over millions of years. And we who are part of that life have now the capacity for self awareness and awareness of others.  WOW!  It's a wonder that we exist!  I know that sometimes we wish we didn't exist when disaster strikes.  Yet here we are, still breathing, still thinking, still wondering, still hoping.  

Thank you Carl Sagan for helping us to see how small and insignificant we are on the pale blue dot!  That's an image worth meditating upon.
It seems that many of the comments are akin to two ants looking into a computer and arguing about how it works.  People create a god in their own image and then reject him because he is too small.  God says, "I am." That is beyond human comprehension just as is any answer to the question, "Where did the particle come from that exploded?" I heard with my own ears Carl Sagan say on the Johnny Carson Show that the answer to that question will be forever beyond science.  Faith is NOT anti-intellectual; faith begins where intelligence ends.  Most people who reject Christ have not studied the scriptures and considered the astronomical odds that anyone could walk on the stage of life and fulfill the prophecies that He did.  The rebellious nature of man is easily tricked into believing the lie that God does not exist.  The scripture teach us that one day EVERY knee shall bow and confess that Jesus Christ is Lord.  Christmas happens to be the arbritrary time of the year that we celebrate the coming of the Messiah which means God with us.  May His spirit fill your heart and mind in a special way during this Christmas season.  If the root meaning of 'science' is 'to know' there is no higher calling than to know Jesus personally as one's Lord and Saviour.  Merry Christmas.
Science excludes not religion.
Faith excludes not fact.
Knowledge and belief go hand in hand.
My religion teaches me that.
Disdain not what you don't understand.
Criticize not those who do.
Dogmatic crusaders of five-sense "science,"
find truth is my plea to you.
I mean for aliens it's kind of easy to prove that there are other beings out there. Our known Universe goes on for infinite, which means there is an endless number of chances for another planet to be exacly like ours. Infinite is a pretty big number ;-). As for religion, who cares, i'm atheist, i celebrate christmas. Other people have different believes and that is great just let them have them, i hate hearing christians trying to convert atheist or people of other faith and i also hate hearing atheist say "take god out of the pledge" Seriously both of you shut up and go see a movie together. Happy Holidays and may FSM bless you ;-)

And God said to Moses, “You cannot see MY face, but I will make all MY goodness pass before you.”  
– Exodus 33:19

The argument goes something like this: "I refuse to prove that I exist" says God, "For proof denies faith and without faith I am nothing.”  "BUT," says Man, "The Babel Fish is a dead giveaway isn't it?  It proves you exist, so therefore you don't.  QED.”  “ Oh dear," says God, "I hadn't thought of that."  And promptly vanishes in a puff of logic.  "Ooh, that was easy" says Man and for an encore goes on to prove that black is white and gets killed at the next zebra crossing.  
– Douglas Adams “The Hitchhikers Guide to the Galaxy”

“Who is Einstein to tell The Lord what to do?”  
– Niels Bohr

“This statement is false.”
– Ultimate Logic Bomb

We often take some things for granted to point that we fail to realize how fundamental they are.  The instinct for survival is so embedded in the human psyche that we frequently fail to realize that our desire to understand and control the world around is what defines us as a species and what defines us as human.  In pursuing that understanding our perception of causality has evolved over the last five thousand years into what may seem to be diametrically opposed concepts we now call Religion and Science.  As a result of that conflict, our concept of what we call “God” seems now to be caught in a contradiction between the “Faith” of Religion and the “Logic” of Science.   ...

[ALAN ADDS: This is a long copy-and-paste of a document that is available on the Web. I'm not opposed to long comments (although I'd worry about the length of this one even if it were written as an original comment). However, if you're going to repost something, please link to the document instead. Here's the document that's being quoted (a Word file):]

http://chemical-recruiter.com/therealgod/TheMetaphorofGod-2008-06-22.doc

For those of us with Seasonal Affective Disorder, Solstice is truly something worth celebrating.  Whether you are glad to celebrate the birth of the son, the return of the sun, or any other light celebrating holiday - knowing that this is the shortest day of the year and that the N Hemisphere will soon have longer days makes me glad to light a candle in the darkness.  You can believe what you want to - it's your right - but for me, I'll take the sun and solar system.  I see it and I know it affects me.  I can't say that for most dogmatic systems of belief.
My Dad was a Baptist Minister for more than 50 years before passing away. Needless to say I am rooted in the religious aspect of this thread. How and when will science prove or disprove God is the real deal. It will never happen due to scientists working with the flavor of the day and changing the way they look at things. Science is not exact. It is far from it. Lots of Einstiens's theories have been disproven and he was a great scientist who allowed us to enter into another change in scientific thought. Sagan did the same thing. Guess what people, Sagan is today's flavor. Who will be the next flavor for the "scientific investigating" of life and where we came from.
Science hasn't figured out how all the oil formed from dinosaur carcasses that got stuck in the mud. Has anyone really figured out how life was formed from inert, dead objects? The big bang theory sounds almost feasible, but where did the matter come from to have this "big bang".
Come on people, there had to be a source of power to allow the explosion that caused the energy to happen. Gee, that sounds like an all powerful Being. GOD!!! The Bible says a day is as 10,000 years and 10,000 years is as a day. So if the universe is 4.5 billion years old give or take a few million years, then it could have been formed as long ago as a day ago or trillions of years ago according to the Bible.  
My Dad always said: "If there isn't a God, then I am a better person for living my life as there is God." I could go on and on about his thread, and I am sure there will lots of comments on what I said is wrong because it doesn't suit someone else's ideology. Hopefully I have stirred a little bit of curiosity in someone to find out the real truth. Don't get me wrong, if there wasn't science then we would have life as we know it. Religion and science can coexist if both sides could just get along. We would be a better people if this would happen. Have a safe and happy holiday season. Merry CHRISTmas!


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