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Archaeology's top 10 finds

Posted: Friday, December 12, 2008 6:50 PM by Alan Boyle


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A figurine head from Mexico, dating back roughly 1,200 years, bears traces of the mysterious Maya Blue pigment.

Archaeology magazine's top 10 finds of 2008 include Maya paint and ancient poop. And there are bonus finds as well, including a monumental discovery that the discoverers have been trying to keep under wraps.

Most of these revelations haven't gotten the kind of hype that we saw this year for "Indiana Jones and the Kingdom of the Crystal Skull."

"But as much as crystal skulls were the year's most prominent 'artifacts,' we're more likely to remember 2008 as the Year of the Earliest North American Coprolites (ancient human feces), or perhaps the Year of the Imperial Roman Marble Heads," Archaeology's editors wrote.

Read on for a rundown of the real-life discoveries that would make Indiana Jones jump on the next plane - plus the bonus discoveries and a sampling of other best-of-2008 lists in science and technology.

Archaeology's top 10 for 2008:
Mark Rose, Archaeology's online editor, is reluctant to call this list the "best of the year," but these are the reports from the past year that the magazine's editors regarded as relating to the most important discoveries: 

  • The secret of Maya Blue: Scientists analyzed bits of the sacred blue pigment the Maya used during human sacrifices and other ceremonies - and concluded that it was made through the ritual burning of a mix of ingredients, including indigo, minerals and copal incense.

  • Masked mummy of Peru: An intact 1,700-year-old mummy, bearing a wooden mask with seashell eyes, was discovered in a burial mound beneath a busy Lima neighborhood. Archaeologists suspect the remains were those of a master weaver from Peru's Wari culture, based on the knitting needles and balls of yarn that were buried along with the mummy.

  • The stone with soul: Researchers found a 2,800-year-old funerary monument in southeastern Turkey that provided a fresh perspective on ancient religious beliefs. A 13-line inscription was chiseled into the basalt stone, in which a high official refers to food offerings that were made "for my soul that is in this stele." This proves that the Iron Age culture believed the soul was separate from the body and could inhabit a monument.

  • Brown gold from Oregon: About that ancient poop ... the 14,300-year-old preserved feces found in eastern Oregon's cave provided the best evidence yet that humans had colonized the Americas that long ago. Researchers even extracted DNA from the coprolites - which could help clear up longstanding mysteries about the identity of the first Americans.  

  • Oldest oil paintings: Researchers discovered the world's oldest-known paintings in a maze of caves in Afghanistan's Bamiyan Valley - yes, the same place where the Taliban blew up two giant statues of Buddha in 2001. (You'll find more about Bamiyan below.)

  • The first European? An excavation in a cave in northern Spain turned up a chunk of a Homo erectus jawbone that has been dated back to 1.3 million years ago. That suggests that the ancestors of modern humans made their way into Europe about 500,000 years earlier than previously thought. 

  • The earliest shoes: An analysis of 42,000-year-old human toe bones from a dig in China provided evidence that the person, known as Tianyuan 1, wore some form of footwear.

  • Pristine Portuguese shipwreck: Geologists working on an underwater diamond-mining project off the coast of Namibia turned up something more scientifically valuable: a 16th-century cargo ship that was buried on the seafloor, safe from underwater treasure hunters. The find netted almost 50 pounds of gold coins, plus navigational instruments, elephant tusks and other treasures.

  • The colossal heads of the Roman Empire: Archaeologists are uncovering the monumental marble heads of Roman emperors at a dig in central Turkey, where a first-century metropolis once flourished. Last year, Hadrian's head was found at the site of Sagalassos' Roman baths. This year, the researchers recovered fragments of statues depicting Marcus Aurelius and Faustina the Elder (wife of the emperor Antoninus Pius).

  • The origins of whaling: A 20-inch-long walrus tusk, found at an archaeological site on Russia's Chukotka Peninsula, bears the carvings of a seal, a bear and a boatful of people hunting a whale from a boat. The tusk dates back about 3,000 years, which would make the carving "the earliest evidence for whaling," said Daniel Odess, curator of archaeology at the University of Alaska Museum.

The bonus round:
Archaeology magazine's online editor, Mark Rose, told me that the list doesn't include several important discoveries that just didn't fit the year-in-review pattern (or came to light too late to make the top-10 list). One of the most important finds is a 60-foot-long (19-meter) reclining Buddha statue that was reportedly discovered at Afghanistan's Bamiyan site.

This discovery wouldn't measure up to the fabled 1,000-foot-long (300-meter-long) "sleeping Buddha" at Bamiyan, which was described by a 7th-century Chinese monk but has never been found. Nevertheless, there's "big, big news" out there about a monument that somehow survived the Taliban, Rose said.

The problem is that the head of the archaeological project is trying to keep the discovery under wraps, Rose said. "It ties into a funding organization that is well aware of the marketing value of this kind of thing, as well as the entertainment value," he said. (For what it's worth, the team is funded by National Geographic and the French Foreign Ministry.)

We'll probably hear more about the surviving Bamiyan Buddha next year. But in the meantime, Rose said, "To effectively censor is not really conscionable."

Here are two more of the bonus selections that will be posted to Archaeology's Web site next week:

  • Disappearing glaciers = reappearing artifacts: Climate change has caused glaciers around the world to recede. During a warm spell in the Swiss Alps, the ice shrank back from the Schnidejoch Pass, revealing shoes, leggings, arrowheads and other artifacts. Some of those artifacts have now been dated back to 4500 B.C., which would make them older than the famous Alpine iceman Oetzi. Rose said the find could shed light not only on ancient cultures, but also on "the ebb and flow of climate."

  • Stone Age figurines from Russia: Archaeologists excavating a site near Moscow have found figurines and carvings dating back to the Stone Age - somewhere around 10,000 to 40,000 years ago. The artifacts include two female-looking figurines, a mammoth rib inscribed with pictures of what appear to be mammoths, and a mysterious cone-shaped object.

Archaeology's Web site also offers year-end reviews focusing on endangered treasures and the rise of virtual archaeology.

Other year-end lists:
Finally, here's an initial sampling of other top-story lists from the world of science and technology. You can look forward to much, much more in the next couple of weeks, including the Scientific American 50 and Science's Breakthroughs of the Year, as well as our very own "Year in Space" roundup and Weird Science Awards:

Correction for 9:45 p.m. ET Dec. 13: A sharp-eyed commenter noted that the account mentioning the 1,000-foot (300-meter) "sleeping Buddha" is generally seen as dating back to the 7th century, not the 9th century. I've corrected the reference to go with the earlier date.

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All we need now is a creationist posting to say that carbon 14 dating means nothing.  

People have always needed some spiritual connection to what they (we) are born into. What we are born into is an impossible place...but that makes no sense because it is all starkly possible because we are here....  So we dream up all these things to "make sense" of it all...and making sense of it all means reason and reason means what has become..science. Not fantasy.
Ah... the wonder of the old. What do you think of the Holocene Fire-Storm theory, Al? Were the Clovis people wiped out by a fragmenting cometoid unleashing a 1000 Tunguskas?
Excellent article Alan!  So nice to find so many old treasures that help us fill in the evolution of the human species.  So interesting to see that shoes go back 42,000 years.  Also it's cool that they can extract DNA from human dung for DNA tracking and to measure how old the poo is.

It will be interesting to see what gets uncovered in the coming year.

creationism is not Fantasy, but only Mytholgy.

Science needs too be proven to be believed. Mythology

only needs blind unquestioned belief.

Carbon 14 dating means nothing.
Unfortunately, the Indiana Jones movies have only exacerbated the problem of treasure hunters who plunder ancient sites and destroy the archaeological, sociological and historical value that might be reaped from finding the artifacts they steal intact and in situ. While the looters themselves must take some blame, the lion's share goes to those who are willing to pay big bucks for the loot to so they can have fancy objets d'art to decorate their posh homes with. (Ditto the ivory trade and trade in illegal exotic animals and animal parts -- they wouldn't bother to plunder it if nobody was interested in buying it.)

I don't blame the Bamiyan Buddha discoverers for wanting to keep their finds under wraps.  They don't want the Muslim version of narrow-minded religious fundamentoliteralist bigots (AKA Taliban) to find the one they missed and blow that one up too. -- I hasten to add that the Muslims by no means have the religious extremists market cornered. We are plagued by the Christian variety as well -- not quite as overt, but equally insidious and destructive.

The Human race has an intriguing and marvelous history -- we've only just begun to scratch the surface.  It's such a shame that the money that goes to fund looters and treasure hunters couldn't be redirected into funding archaeological digs and preserving our cultural heritage for future generations -- assuming we don't totally wreck the planet's climate and that there will be future generations

The problem with the creation story is it got hijacked by people who didn't understand what the author was talking about.  There is a strong correlation between the 7 days where God spoke in the creation of the earth, and the 7 times God spoke to Moses with the creation of the tabernacle.  The layout of the earth in Genesis is that of the tenple with the sky being a covering anchored by the pillars.  The first 4 days correspond with the physical make up of the earth, the first 4 times God spoke to Moses it has to do with the physical make up of the tabernacle., the 5th day, creation of the animals, 5th day to Moses, animals to be sacrificed (animals correspond), 6th day creation of man, 6th day the jobs for the workmen in creating the tablernacle, 7th day God rested, 7th day Moses is told of the Sabbath.

The fascinating thing about the Creation story is that it gets an amazing thing correct.  The first thing created was light before the sun or anything.  Light is energy and all the created things come after.

The story of Adam and Eve gives a wonderful transition from the paleolithic lifestyle to the neolithic lifestyle.  They attribute it to a leap in intelligence ("the knowledge of good and evil")

There is so much there, if you get past the seven days thing.
this are magnificent discoveries. too bad I wasn't there myself in the spot.
Thomas and Pete, why the rush to go there?  I could understand if someone had posted here challenging any of this but you are among the first posters.  I am a scientist and also deeply religious.  Your attitude is part of what causes some religious people to believe that science is out to destroy faith.

I can understand how many people who are trained in the scientific method come to believe that science is the only way to experience reality.  It IS the only way to demonstrate empirical things like the nature of matter, or how molecules interact with each other.

But that doesn't mean that there is no place for faith.  If, as many of us believe, there is a God then He has asked us to act upon faith in Him.  Not without any evidence, but with limited proof.  And I believe that faith has done more good for humanity than bad.  And my personal experience has led me to believe that there is something more out there, but that believe is the result of faith, not knowledge.

I personally have decided to keep those two worlds separate.  I don't use faith when conducting experiments and I don't try to prove there is a God.  I use evolution in conducting my science, but I believe that the universe was created by God for a purpose (the latter part of that I keep for church since even though I technically believe in a designer, that is not science and doesn't belong with it.)

Anyway, please don't use broad stereotypes to make all religious people out to be foolish dolts.  We should all be working to find our common ground and to be tolerant of our differences.  What is true will be true regardless of what people believe or don't believe.  Eventually, false beliefs will be exposed, whether they are religious or scientific.  Any good scientist knows that the best that we can do is say that something is true given our current understanding and evidence.  As the article above showed, one new artifact can dramatically change what we had believed to be true.  We should all try to be patient with those who think differently because we never know when we are one holding the correct belief or the false belief.

Seriously, if you link to an article about the 'sleeping' and 'reclining' Buddha, perhaps you should at least make sure they match up. '9th century monk' is '7th century monk' in the other article. And they apparently found the sleeping Buddha not the reclining Buddha...

[Rachel, I'm sure you're right about the date, I probably misheard the date that was mentioned by Mark Rose. Both monuments have been referred to as "reclining" or "sleeping" Buddhas, but it looks as if "sleeping Buddha" is sort of a touchstone for the supposed larger statue. If I were betting on how all this turns out, I would bet that the fabled 300-meter Buddha is actually the 19-meter Buddha ... and that its size was exaggerated by the accounts. Rose said that would be a good question to ask the archaeologists, when they're ready to talk.]

I actually don't understand Carbon dating or other radio dating techiniques.  Supposedly it's based on measuring the ratio of carbon 12 and carbon 14 isotopes, and makes the assumption that, based on the radioactive decay of carbon 14 to carbon 12 that artifacts with higher levels of carbon 14 are older than those with higher levels of carbon 12?  How does sequestering the carbon 14 prevent it from decaying to carbon 12?  And, if I have the ratio calculations backwards, the converse would be equally true.

As far as creationism, I have a thought exercise I like.  The computational capabilities of the early universe would be near infinite.  The early universe could have reached a level of sentience and self determination.  This sentient universe, is the "creator", having set itself in motion in such a way as to shape itself to fit out needs, and it's desires.
from whaat i can see  the "mysterious cone shaped object"  is very similar to a spindle weight.
How could you leave out the recent discovery of an ancient marijuana stash found in a 2700 year old tomb in China?

http://www.newser.com/story/44317/scientists-sniff-out-ancient-stash-of-pot.html
Re: The first European?
"That suggests that the ancestors of modern humans made their way into Europe about 500,000 years earlier than previously thought"

If our ancestors came out of Africa some 60,000 years ago, how could these beings already in Europe be our ancestors? https://genographic.nationalgeographic.com/genographic/index.html
As a historian, I take great exception with Mr. Peterson's postulate that "faith has done more good for humanity than bad."  I believe a brief look at history will prove otherwise.
Jeff Peterson shows the dichotomy of human existence. The real world, and our spiritual world. To much of either one makes us not whole but unbalanced. To show religious scientific strife, just look at Mecca. A lava flow just about overflowed the holy site 600 years after Mohammed. It is never mentioned or referred to as a significant event even in the holiest place.
It's pretty obvious that science points to faith, but I guess that would dependon what religon you are talking about. Islam is the only religon that is right. Just read the Quran and you will find out that for yourselfs.
Jeff Peterson:  " I use evolution in conducting my science, but I believe that the universe was created by God for a purpose"

You contradict yourself. Evolution has no "purpose".  Organisms emerge based on natural selection principles based on no underlying purpose. This is a common mistake made by people who try to meld creation with evolution.

And it is the creationists who have no "faith" in carbon 14 dating or any other radiometeric dating ..such as uranium-thorium.
I saw an eye opening experiment that was done and shown on TV not long ago. The experiment had to do with what average people can remember after being exposed to an actual event.  They took a group of people and gave them hats to wear that had camera's attached to them.  They were taken to an area in Roswell New Mexico where the so called Alien Space Craft had crashed and Alien bodies were found.  As they were walking they came to an area that was fenced in and where there were some men planted ahead of time that would not allow any of them to enter the area and would not allow them to see any of this particular area at all, and where simply told to leave.  None of these men forced them away and none of them had guns or any weapons of any kind.  They just would allow any of the test group to enter that area.  After the experiment of was over, 90 days had passed and the experimental group were each asked what they could recall from the ordeal.  One woman said she remembered as they were walking they came across an area that they were not allowed to enter and that men with guns forced them away.  She was shown the video from the camera that was attached to her hat.  She didn't know why she thought the men had guns and why she thought they had forced her away from the area.  I find this be the single most important reason why we need science to give us proof of anything that happened in the past.  If a person can't remember the facts of an event after only 90 days, how could we possibly believe what's been written, and rewritten, over and over again over thousands of years ago?
The bible is correct we came from an advanced civilization called the elohim.  God also states to create man in our own image, implying there was more than just God at the time of creation of Adam and Eve. In Genesis 1:28, God told Adam and Eve to “...be fruitful and multiply, and REPLENISH the earth. This indicates that there was life before Adam and Eve. Look at the bible as a history book not as a religious book.  Learn about meditation, the truth will set you free.
Thomas Ashby: "Evolution has no 'purpose'.  Organisms emerge based on natural selection principles based on no underlying purpose. This is a common mistake made by people who try to meld creation with evolution."

"This thing [a scale model of our solar system] is but a puny imitation of a much grander system whose laws you know, and I am not able to convince you that this mere toy is without a designer and maker; yet you, as an atheist, profess to believe that the great original from which the design is taken has come into being without either designer or maker! Now tell me by what sort of reasoning do you reach such an incongruous conclusion?" --Sir Isaac Newton
There are only 2 types of people, those that believe in God and those that believe they are God. Those that believe they are God necessarily believe that humans are the pinnacle of intelligence, a frightening supposition indeed.
    One who presumes to be God would necessarily be so intelligent as to have discovered all of the possible variables which would preclude such a presumption, a matter of faith I suppose.
    As for me, I believe that Carl Sagan, Hillary Clinton, and possibly Obama are to be worshipped, as there appears to be no doubt but what they represent the absolute culmination of celestial intelligence.
If you still believe in evolution and life started from the big bang, then what is actually happened BEFORE the big bang? Some scientist hit the 'start' button?
Re: The pristine Portuguese shipwreck being "safe from treasure hunters." Nice jab, but grossly unfair. Far, far more historically significant shipwrecks have been discovered, documented and archaeologically salvaged & conserved by "treasure hunters" than marine archaeologists. And all the legitimate "ethical commercial shipwreck salvage companies" have degreed marine archaeologists on their payroll. Just because we wish to be compensated for our initiative and for our hard and dangerous work by selling some of the redundant and archaeologically insignificant artifacts doesn't make us bad guys. Who has educated and entertained (the purpose of archaeology) more people regarding marine archaeology & maritime history by their discoveries, museums and exhibits, George Bass or Mel Fisher? By the way, the discoverer of the Portuguese wreck was a commercial diamond-mining (treasure) operation.
Carbon 14 dating has only an maximum accuracy of 2000 years, this is proven by the Patterson experiment of the 1960's. Wind and rain erosion make it impossible to an get accurate baseline. Also we have yet to reach carbon 14 saturation of our atmosphere, indicating a young earth perhaps 10,000 years.
Uranium - thorium dating is dependent on knowing the base ratio of the U/Th sample at the time of the sample formation, as U decays into Th. And this assumes no exchange with the environment, a closed system. Like carbon dating. Useless beyond a few hundred years.
The famous primordial ooze experiment at the University of Indiana in 1957 has yet to be repeated. Not too scientific IMO.
Look it up.
The fruitfly experiment of 1978-79 confirms that DNA mutation required for evolution does not occur without external stimuli as DNA and RNA do not have the information necessary for mutation without expending extra energy, which does not exist in the code without violating the 2nd law of thermodynamics. The external mutagen in the experiment was radiation, and all the mutated fruit-fly colonies eventually REVERTED back to the original un-mutated fruit-fly form.
Look it up.
Evolution was an ancient Sumerian-Babylonian myth that held all species originated from one specie. Interesting that Darwin was knighted before he released any form of report or writing after his return to England, possibly indicating his work (Origin) was well planned for him in advance to discredit religion. No wonder he had much "pain in his heart". And his grand-papa Erasmus was an avowed evolutionist, no bias there.
Besides more than twice in the bible it equates the "days" of creation as akin to a thousand of our years each.
Science is so irresponsible these days, look at the failure to admit that storms have an electrical basis, they are not merely dependent on temperature and humidity.
And the fact that x-rays and gamma rays can be created in the lab using electricity, yet astrophysicists refuse to take that into consideration in their "gravity-only" models of the cosmos.
Fact is religion and science w/ experimentation are compatible without heated bias from those who want to disbelieve in a creator, just like Mr. Newton opined.
And Mr. Bill, all one has to do is look at early versions of the text to maintain accuracy, a horse of different color compared to your example, sir.
Amusing that most of the comments supporting Evolution come from outside the USA.

thank you george w. moron bush* for lowing the bar of intelligence here in the states.
Evolution DOES have a purpose--to adapt to the changing conditions of the environment. The individuals with the most advantageous mutation become the progenetors of the individuals who survive to reproduce and pass on the advantageous mutation. Just as many scientific advances are discovered by accident, evolution provides the "accidental" adaptation necessary for a species to survive.
Nadelstich..I like my words better. Newton was before Darwin and knew nothing of evolution.
Larry of AZ.."Carbon 14 dating has only an maximum accuracy of 2000 years..." your whole post is utter hogwash. For one thing, you should provide credible references when expounding such baloney.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Carbon-14
Marta Busic...My comment was in relation to mixing up evolution with a God. A God is purposeful with end goals. Evolution has no inherent end goals. The process is ceaseless and ever changing. What might be construed as an end goal (ie. humanity) is the result of what has transpired before to exist in the present. The long future will see continued changes with no ultimate end goal.
Thank God my color vision has no purpose. It is also a good thing no other species have evolved with the abilities to even comprehend creation vs. evolution.
What a random act of kindness.
All that education and the poor bloke is looking for poo in caves. Was the caveman's name "Winnie the Poo"?
So global warning's good for archeology? Always a silver lining <i>somewhere</i>
I'm most fascinated by the oldest shoes. While Italians may make the best shoes, "made in China" perhaps should be changed to "invented in China."
Given that time and space are infinite, would there not be an infinite number of opportunities for a god to exist, or to come into existence just as some particles do? Some may not believe in God, just as some may not believe in parallel or multiple universes, but proving they don’t exist is going to be scientifically difficult. Why argue?
Top 10 archaeological discoveries for the year!! thumbs up!!
I believe in god and evolution.  I see absolutely no god given reason not to, only man made reasons.  As an intelligent being man knows almost nothing, not many millenia ago he was little more than an ape.  To now profess to know so much that he can declare there is no god seems arrogant and rather silly.  I've always loved the atheistic description of the beginning of our universe.  "At first there was nothing, and then it exploded".
carbon 14 dating means nothing.
"A creationist"...carbon 14 dating means nothing...to a creationist..the visible minority that they are.
Okay, so did God invent evolution, or did Darwin?
The Bible teaches evolution. In the first book it says all creatures came from the sea. It suggest a slow process. In a few verses it describes what science says took millions of years. It was written that way because people of that time could not visualize time. As for God, what could the Butterfly say to the worm that would cause him to believe what has been and what will come?
Rex...yes, those words from genesis are intriguing. Everything did come from the sea, that is a geological fact. So, who were the people who made that hypothetical and correct statement?

There are aspects of genesis that were written down as
a reflection of the intellect that did exist at that time. But thats OK because very intelligent people  have always come around and existed..thinkers. Fossils have always existed and there were probably those who thought outside the box. I not then, did a God whisper in to someones mind that "I am going to tell you that you came from the sea".  Ok fine, why doesn't God just keep whispering and tell us a lot more?

The answer is...a God doesn't do that. People do that.
yay on the Clovis people re-write, thats some good (explative) there. lol. as for me the bible is how it happened - science is the what happened, pretty simple since at a distance every explosion's first sign is a flash of light. then the shockwave (expanse). pretty simple

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Shock_wave
Thomas Ashby, there are many flaws in your logic. First of all you cite the Wiki as a "credible resource".  Secondly, how can you possibly determine what goals God may or may not have. Why is it so inconceivable that God created life and paved the way for evolution for His purposes? Arrogance is man's greatest flaw. In the words of one of the greatest scientific minds, "Science without religion is lame. Religion without science is blind."  

Want to hear some of the world's greatest minds debate this topic? http://www.expelledthemovie.com/
I'm strongly creationist but I'd like to think I can see objectively. My problem with evolution is two-fold: First the mechanisms in play are too complicated given the time frames involved. Mutation just doesn't happen often enough. If you start cruching numbers things get out of control very fast. Second: The fossil record doesn't support a gradual evolving of life. It shows wide gaps between species. Which Darwin himself stated would be catastrophic to the theory.

"Belief can alter observations; those with a particular belief will often see things as reinforcing their belief, even if they do not."
- a truth quoted from wikipedias article on scientific method. This concept is more commonly applied to creationists and perhaps rightly so but when it comes to evolution science has fallen into this philosophical self gratification as well.

I think evolution takes more blind ignorance to believe than creationism. The scientific process is observe, hypothosize, experiment, draw conclusions.
We've never observed any evolution, we've got lots of hypothosis, no experimentation, tons of conclusions. Am I the only one who sees the problem. Why are scientists so in love with this theory that they abandon the processes science is founded on. I see solid evidence for creationism, as have countless scientists of the past,in the seemingly perfect construction in the universe. If carefully examined science is more easily understood if you look at the physical universe as constructed and having a beginning. At the very least science will have to do better than the shoddy evolution theory.
Well, Jared, it's nice that you like to think that you can see objectively, but clearly you don't.  I don't know where you get your information from but obviously you haven't read very widely (at least not with an open mind).  Start with almost any book by Richard Dawkins.
I found a human footprint in a rock in Foxboro Mass.It was 1957 and I was ten then.It was too heavy for me to carry so I buried it and never told anyone where it was.One of these days I`m going back home.I maybe too old to carry it now.      
"Amusing that most of the comments supporting Evolution come from outside the USA.

thank you george w. moron bush* for lowing the bar of intelligence here in the states."

I'm a registered democrat, and no fan of GW Bush...but I am pretty moderate and all I have to say to this above comment is hahahahahahahahahahaha.

Like many of my really liberal friends when it comes to any kind of intelligent debate on modern issues, rather than actually enter into any kind of thoughtful dialogue, or rather than offer any kind of useful or insightful observations...they simply blame EVERYTHING bad on Bush.  I love how they think he is the dumbest man that ever lived on earth, but at the same time is capable and clever enough to have contrived multiple, secret, ingenious plots to keep us all thoroughly ignorant.

Hahahahahahaha...yes, I definitely see how America's deeply held beliefs in God over the past 300 years could all be blamed on W.
    Science does not reveal truth. Science is a process of being less wrong, over and over again.
    The error of fanatics is that they fail to grasp that God could use evolution or any other tool that He wished to use. The delivery of a Bible to humanity had to be in terms that people could understand. String theory would be absurd 2000 years ago.
you implied, ---Thomas Ashby, Calgary (Sent Friday, December 12, 2008 7:43 PM), that "creationists" were umm less than reasonable in some of their claims, and lived in a fantasy of belief.

Could I be so kind to point out that the bigotry of the people claiming my faith, and taking a hard line on young earth creationism are wrong, and that you are as wrong and as much a bigot to stuff all such people claiming said faith into the same box.
Hubris is a .... word that starts with a B isn't it?

Those silly whacky christians, whose book wrote the earth floated in nothing around 2000 years BC/BCE, And science as late as the 1800s thought space was filled with "ether"? Some sort of substance.  Where in Job its oldest book I think you'll find it wrote that the earth spun like clay on a potter's wheel.  Let's see who was the next person that came up with that idea?  Wasn't he in a british controlled part of europe? ummmmm.... ??

[...]  I love seeing that it's not just people on my side of the table that are loudmouths.


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