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Political markets have spoken

Posted: Monday, November 03, 2008 4:09 PM by Alan Boyle


Kim Carney / msnbc.com / IEM
This chart shows rising levels for Barack Obama's stock (and falling levels for John
McCain's stock) on the Iowa Electronic Markets' winner-take-all market.

Even though GOP presidential candidate John McCain insists he's catching up to Democratic rival Barack Obama, the gap on the political prediction markets is widening on the final day of the campaign.

McCain's shares fell to about 10 cents on the Iowa Electronic Markets, and to even lower levels on other markets. That means buying his stock now would reap a tenfold payoff ... if he wins, that is.

Over the past 20 years, studies have shown that prediction markets do a better job than polls when it comes to anticipating the winners of presidential contests.

Such markets let "investors" put down play money or, in some cases, real money on the prospects for parties or individual candidates. For example, today you can buy Obama's stock at 90 cents on the IEM's winner-take-all market. If he wins, you get $1 per share. But if McCain pulls off an upset, you get nothing. That upset would make those 10-cent McCain shares worth $1 each - which provides a choice buying opportunity for the contrarian investor.

"McCain still has a 10 to 12 percent probability of winning - that is better than zero," said Tom Snee, a spokesman for the University of Iowa's Tippie College of Business, which operates the IEM as a research project. "If you buy some McCain now, you could make some serious change."

Throughout the final weeks of the campaign, we've been tracking five winner-take-all prediction markets dealing with real money (Betfair, Intrade and the IEM) or play money (Inkling and NewsFutures). Here are today's quotes, as of 4 p.m. ET:

Snee said there appears to be a GOP selloff aimed at settling accounts on Election Eve: "People holding McCain are looking to clear," he said.

Comparing markets, models and polls
Another type of market at the IEM predicts what the eventual popular vote total will be, and those shares trade in a much narrower range. The current verdict is for a 53-47 split that favors the Democrats.

How does that stack up against the political polls? It's hard to judge, because even on Election Eve, a good number of voters are telling pollsters they're undecided. The breakdown in the final NBC News/Wall Street Journal poll is 51 percent for Obama to 43 percent for McCain, leaving 6 percent in the undecided-or-other category.

If we assume that all these figures correctly reflect the final result, the implication is that as much as two-thirds of the undecided vote will break McCain's way, still leaving Obama on top. But that's a big if.

The NBC/WSJ poll, conducted Nov. 1-2 among 1,011 likely voters, has a margin of error of plus or minus 3.1 percentage points. And there are plenty of intangible factors, ranging from the turnout levels for young voters to the potential for a race-driven "Bradley effect."

Another way to predict the popular vote is to use Yale economist Ray Fair's model, which is based purely on economic statistics. The final prediction, issued last week, comes up with a Democratic-leaning 52-48 split on the presidential vote, and a 56-44 percentage split in the House. (The current House split is 54-46, favoring the Democrats.)

Fair has set a plus-or-minus margin of 2.5 percent for his model, and there are additional intangible factors to consider here as well:

  • If the public perceives the economic situation to be worse than it actually is, due to the fact that so much economic unpleasantness came about toward the end of the third quarter, that would worsen the GOP's prospects.
  • If McCain has been successful in distancing himself from past Republican policies and selling a "Maverick Party" platform, that could save him from some of the Bush administration's bad economic mojo.

Split decision?
Even if Obama ends up winning the popular vote, there's still a chance that McCain will prevail in the state-by-state electoral vote. That's what happened in 2000: George W. Bush may have ultimately won the presidential election, but Al Gore piled up a bigger total of votes.

Eight years ago, Gore's investors won the big payoff from the IEM, while Bush's backers went away empty-handed. The same thing could conceivably happen this year: Obama's investors could win even if their man loses. Nate Silver, founder of the FiveThirtyEight.com election prediction Web site, said there's even a chance that McCain could win the popular vote while losing the electoral vote.

Neither the markets nor the polls are perfect predictors, as Hillary Clinton's surprise win in the New Hampshire Democratic primary illustrated 10 months ago. Clinton's investors cleaned up back then, and McCain's investors could pull off a similar coup this time around.

It all goes to show that there's no such thing as a sure thing, in the markets as well as in politics. Or do you disagree? Feel free to add your comments below.

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You forgot the most important: sportsbook odds. http://www.offshoreinsiders.com/index.php?PageID=97

It looks like Obama wins in an electoral landslide
It could be the electronic voting machines are giving a false vote. One voter thinks that he/she is casting a vote for Obama and the machine is rigged to cast tht vote for MCCain. We are watching and we have heard of this in many states!
"It all goes to show that there's no such thing as a sure thing, in the markets as well as in politics."

That sentence pretty much tells it all. Even though all signs may point in one direction, it can, without reason, shift to the other direction. What's that line..."The only sure things in life are death and taxes?" If we could always accurately predict the future, then football analysts, weathermen, and economists would make much more money. On the flip side, bookies and lawyers probably would not make as much :).
When is reality going to be reality. The time for change has come. the time for a new and clear view on the future has been born. nothing that the republican party can do to change this is possible. The democrats have done their job. let us re-unite at this important time in history and let us educate the world that surrounds us that the USA has seen the promised land. may we all understand what is needed to make na free world freee and how we must act together to make it happen. a vote for Obama gives us a chance to make our freedon believes rise again so that the USA puts their foot down and states that we shall overcome, that we shall no longer accept the status quo as a direction for our believes. God bless the USA
The "wisdom of the markets," eh? In the real world, the very substantial number of investors who incorrectly predicted that stocks and real estate would rise forever lost a ton of money.
The race isn't over until every ballot has been counted and the fat lady sings.......
The markets are still predicting that McCain has a 10% chance. That doesn't mean he's a sure loser. It means he is a 9/1 outsider. You don't have to follow the horses to know that 9/1 shots sometimes win (and the do it roughly 10% of the time).

The Hubdub prediction market also has Obama at 90%: http://www.hubdub.com/m17795/Who_will_win_the_2008_US_Presidential_Election
Just like in sports one has to account for the "fix".
In elections it is not who votes but who counts the votes.  So..., if the vote counters are paid enough to for a McCain win, then the sorry but the votes wont matter.
I'm a card carrying Republican and have in early voting cast my vote for John McCain last week. American public, however, is apparently disappointed with the outgoing one of ten worst of the 42 US Presidents as judged by a panel of historians according to this week's on line edition of Times. People are looking for a return of American values of decency, honesty, respect for humanity and, more importantly, a change that will enable the currently dormant democratic traditions of our nation to flourish. May be it's time to embrace some human values of justice, transparency and regard for animate as well as inanimate inhabitants of our small world by electing as president the relatively unknown Mr. Obama.
Nobody can beat a deliberately dumbed downed
electorate, via years of NEA and state education
unions--a press similarly raised and the popular belief that a vote against Obama is to exhibit your racism.It is truly the perfect storm for Obama, created by years of propaganda by the press and the Democratic party. In just a few months we will realize Mr. Obama knows nothing about how the economy works, how wealth is created (so that it can be redistributed) and the meaning and consequences of war. Go ahead voters, vote the way you have be conditioned to, just a surely as pavlov dogs.
ssj.

Here's another graph, showing the S&P 500 crashing as Obama's vote share increases:
  http://lpl8.com/IEMvSP500.jpg
So yes, the political markets are speaking.
All I want is a president who believes in science and will make thoughtful and informed decisions.  If McCain and Palin are elected, I fear we will be re-opening the Salem witch trials.
George Bush beat McCain via questionable tactics in 2000 and he has beaten him with his legacy in 2008.  I can just see W sitting with Cheney saying "How can we make sure John does not have a chance at a weekend comeback?   Sure, Dick, you endorse him!!"
Congratulations.

You are about to elect a President who will give you a bigger government and more spending. Your new President will give amnesty to millions of illegal aliens, drastically increase the number of H-1B visas, and eliminate E-verify at a time when millions of American Citizens are out of work. Your new Commander in Chief will keep American soldiers in Iraq against your will. Your new Chief Executive will borrow, spend, give away, and waste billions of dollars when the national debt is passing $12 trillion. Against your wishes your new President helped Bush give $1 trillion to the banks as his parting gift. No matter how much you object, he will not listen and will continue to implement his own agenda. It doesn't matter if it's McCain or Obama.

http://ewebsmith.com/Finance/notlistening.html
Why is it always the media's fault when your horse don't win? Sounds like a whole lot of whinning going on. You might try accepting losing with a little more grace. You insult yourself and your brothers and sisters of this Land of Freedom by your comments. What about 'Country First', brother?
Job growth is needed to improve the economy.  You don't create new jobs by making it harder to do business in the U.S.  Americans need to back the candidate who is "pro-business", not "against" business.  Think about it.  
Jonathan in Palo Alto said, " Here's another graph, showing the S&P 500 crashing as Obama's vote share increases...:"

The same correlation could be expresssed as follows; "Here's another graph, showing Obama's vote share increasing as the S&P 500 crashed..."

Correlation is not cause; the statement is equally true in both directions. The S&P crashing can in NO way be considered a market "speaking" to Obama's popularity.
sarah, norfolk VA-
"The race isn't over until every ballot has been counted and the fat lady sings......."
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I would add:  ...Or perhaps the Supreme Court decides enough ballots have been counted and the fat lady's song is running long.
SS Jackson, you seem to be exhibiting as pavlovian a response as the rest of us. It's just you have been trained by a different trainer: one that wants you to froth at the mouth every time you hear the word "Obama." I feel sorry for those who will be rabidly salivating in a rage after the results come in tomorrow night. I hope you can get acclimated and lose the frothing response quickly --- sometime during the next four years. The markets don't always give perfect predictions, but the message is seldom so clear as it is this time around: Obama is much more likely to win this election.  
If Obama wins, many will feel very, very well and excited.  He's promised so much.  He won't fulfill very many of his promises, but it doesn't matter because he is just a mirage.  He has the ability to make people believe him no matter what he does or says.  Watch out America!  How long does a mirage last?
Many people feel they must vote for the winner or they are wasting their vote. It is an insane premis perpetuated by the incumbents who traditionally have the advantage. Expect Obama to win by a landslide and McCain to get attendance in the voting booth like he is getting at his rallys. Republicans will stay home in droves, surfing the newly discovered "World Wide Web Tubes" for a new party.
Just an aside.... I find it very interesting how the democrats (at least in this blog) are the "lets all get along and come together" people.  If I remember correctly after the last election ALL of the remarks made by Dems were hatefull (and that is being polite about it) not to just the man elected but to those that did excersize their rights and voted for him. When I say hatefull I mean down right gutteral ditest and evil.  I agree that if we are unfortunate enough to have Obama as a president, I hope against all hope that we Repubs can respond with the maturity of intelect to turn this chicken s**t situation into Chicken Soup.  Fellow repubs unite and drive our agendas regardless of whos in office.... and remember those that sit there, represent all of us not just the people who voted for them!
Betfair's been the one to watch in the past IMO and had £13m ($20m) bet so far on their 'Next President' market.

They've got a non-betting site with some interesting graphs here showing how it's changed over time www.betfairpredicts.com
Yes, McCain is catching up to Obama. He is also catching up to a beam of light. (His time is at a standstill and his mass has decreased to zero.)
It seems like the pollsters are not considering the possibility that regardless of who appears to win there will be a legal challenge due to the very high number of voter fraud charges coming out of the woodwork.  This election will very probably be decided by the judiciary and not the popular vote or electoral college.
Hmm. The  TV Networks must make quite a bit of money in paid advertising for election night coverage. Don't forget they are running their own big business with a vested interest in presidential results.

Big oil? Big Industry? Special interest... How about "BIG MEDIA"
What is with you liberals? The internet is turning into propaganda front for liberals. Just like the liberals to pay people to sit at a computer all day and write propaganda repsonses to every web blog in the entire world. I have never heard such media biased, propaganda spreading, agenda driven, slanted and one sided crap comments in my life until I started reading blogs on the net. Socialism is not the change we need. Here is an idea... all you under privileged ethnic people... get a job! Mcdonald's is a job! Take any job you can get... People are not going to hand you money for doing nothing! Oh wait.... Obama will.
Why is it a handfull of states can elect a president.  We need a reformed electoral college.
Mike of Orlando, FL----I wouldn't count on it.
Why should we rig the votes?It is not fair.It is the same thing as saying that the people dont count.Many people do this because of the stupid money.Whats so important about this anyway?
America is tired of "government as usual."  By taking a page out of Karl Rove's book, McCain showed that he would perpetuate "government as usual" (as well as being willing to do or say anything to win).  Country First?  I think not.  More like "McCain First/Billionaires Second/Average Citizens Last."
This is ridiculous. Everyone these days has a problem. Liberal or democrat. If you are speaking of one party's problems and not speaking your own party's problems then its hypocrisy to even explain and determine why YOURs is better and why THEIRS isnt. its a waste of time politics sometimes. But i guess if there was not at least two radical groups there would be no balance. A lot of things are double edged swords
"An actual scientist in Indiana" missed the point. The IEM vote share isn't the real vote share - it's traders' expectation of the final vote share.

I guess what upset the "actual scientist" is the idea that traders might expect an Obama presidency to have negative effects on the stock market.  But the president-elect's pronouncements on trade, taxation, and labor policy signal a strongly anti-business administration.
congrastion   OBAMA    you    out  did   mccain    i  in  thirdgrade  i   doint   know how    to   spell  congrastin
Jonathan in Palo Alto said, " Here's another graph, showing the S&P 500 crashing as Obama's vote share increases...:"

Not sure what's the origin of that? Statistical correlations need to be further validated - actually there is a funny example of false statistical correlation: town A has more stork nests then in town B that -> explains the higher birth rate in town A.
By the way, yesterday 11/4 - election day, there was no secret who was going to win the election - market went up some 300 points: would one conclude that market is happy with that outcome?!


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