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Doomsday lawsuit dismissed

Posted: Friday, September 26, 2008 11:56 PM by Alan Boyle


CERN
A hardhat worker is dwarfed by the Large Hadron Collider's ATLAS detector
during construction. Click on the image for a larger version.

A federal judge in Hawaii today dismissed a lawsuit raising fears about Europe's Large Hadron Collider, on the grounds that she had no jurisdiction over the multibillion-dollar project.

In a 26-page ruling, District Judge Helen Gillmor said that the world's largest particle-smasher was not subject to U.S. environmental regulations because the federal government didn't contribute enough money or play enough of a role in controlling the experiment.

After years of construction, the LHC was started up at low energy on Sept. 10, sending beams of protons around a 17-mile-round (27-kilometer-round) ring of tunnels beneath the French-Swiss border. On the day after the startup, however, the machine suffered a magnet malfunction, and more serious problems cropped up a week later.

This week, Europe's CERN particle-physics organization announced that the LHC would be shut down until next spring, due to the time needed for repairs as well as the experiment's previously planned winter break.

The LHC, which is arguably the world's biggest and most expensive science experiment, is expected to extend the frontiers of physics over the next decade. It could help scientists solve puzzles about the origins of the universe, the nature of mass and dark matter and the potential existence of extra unseen dimensions.

But the plaintiffs in the federal civil case - retired nuclear safety officer Walter Wagner and Spanish science writer Luis Sancho - voiced fears that the machine could create black holes or bits of exotic matter capable of destroying the earth. Experts have ruled out such scenarios in a series of safety reports. Nevertheless, the plaintiffs filed suit in March, seeking a suspension of operations at the collider until still more safety reviews could be conducted.

Among the defendants were the Europe's CERN particle-physics organization as well as the U.S. Energy Department and the National Science Foundation. Federal attorneys argued that the court had no jurisdiction over the LHC - and ultimately, Gillmor agreed.

She did not directly address the scientific issues raised by the plaintiffs, but said that federal court was the wrong place to consider the legal matter.

Gillmor noted that the federal government's $531 million contribution to the LHC's construction budget was less than 10 percent of the total cost, which has been estimated at between $5.8 billion and $10 billion. She also noted that the federal government did not play a part in managing operations at the collider. For those reasons, the U.S. role in the project did not constitute a "major federal action" under the terms of the National Environmental Policy Act, or NEPA, she said.

The judge said that Wagner and Sancho didn't provide any evidence sufficient to show that the court had the power to rule. "Plaintiffs appear to believe they invoked federal jurisdiction by simply filing suit in a federal court," she wrote. "They have not met their burden of establishing that jurisdiction exists."

Because of that lack of jurisdiction, Gillmor said she would not address the other claims and counterclaims contained in the hundreds of pages of documents filed over the past six months.

"It is clear that plaintiffs' action reflects disagreement among scientists about the possible ramifications of the operation of the Large Hadron Collider," she wrote. "This extremely complex debate is of concern to more than just the physicists. The United States Congress provided more than $500 million toward the construction of the Large Hadron Collider. But Congress did not enact NEPA for the purpose of allowing this debate to proceed in federal court."

Gillmor's dismissal of the federal civil lawsuit does not affect a separate, though similar, legal action currently under consideration by the European Court of Human Rights.

Do you want to read the full decision? Click here to download the PDF file. This report was last updated at 2:05 a.m. ET Sept. 27.

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I suppose the LHC is not american then!
the world is flat
we didn't land on the moon
there is a face on mars
the shooters on the grassy knoll
aliens landed at roswell
Tunguska was an exploding alien spaceship
the bermuda triangle is a wormhole
the philidelphia experiment telleported a ship
Atlantis existed off of Bermuda
Atlantis was in the Azores
Atlantis was in the Mediteranean
Atlantians were space travelers
Aliens mutilate cows
the chupacabra mutilates cows
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elvis is alive
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Mama cass was killed by a ham sandwich
eating pop rocks and soda will kill you
the world will end in 1986, 1992, 2000, 2001, 2007, 2012, 2036, etc, etc.
the antichrist is born
Hitler was the antichrist
napolean was the antichrist
Obama is the antichrist
Bush was behind 9-11
jews were behind 9-11
the devil is responsible for 9-11
the devil went down to georgia
the world was created in 7 days
the world floats on a giant sea turtle
the world was created by aliens
you can't get pregnant your first time

AND
the LHC will create black holes that will destroy the world.


I don't know that this experiment worries me any more than any other. I do know that in the name of science a lot of really awful shit has come down on our heads. I know what people are going to say w/o the technology you would not be sitting at this desk right now typing onto the internet. I agree, but would not mind giving up a lot of "modern conveniences" to go back to a life where we did not do so much damage to ourselves with these advancements not to even get me started on what we are doing to earth. I don't believe that you can stop "progress" and I really don't believe that you can go back. Where does that leave us on the path to hell on earth I think. Utopia does not exist for us as humans, our consciousness of ourselves leaves almost nothing, but self pride and that leads us to our own destruction.
DEAR SIRS, TO SEE A BASIC DIAGRAM, IN FLOW BLOCK FORMAT, WITH ASTEP BY STEP EXPLAINATION AT A UNDERSTANDABLE, TECH LEVEL, WOULD BE OF GREAT INTEREST, IN FOLLOWING THE WHAT!& HOW OF PARTICLE SCIENCE,AND WHAT ?YOUR TRYING TO ATCHIEVE, WITH APPROPIATE DIAGRAMS,& EXPLAINATIONS. WITH POSSIBLE READING REF; & WEEKLY INFORMATIC OVERVEIWS.PLEASE CONTINUE WITH THIS INTERNATIONAL OPEN APPROACH TO SOLVING ALL, OUTSTANDING QUESTIONS IN THESE FIELDS.
Here is my answer as a religious person:
If the LHC causes the end of life on the Earth for mankind, then this will be a good subject to talk about in our after life, would it not?

Here is my answer as someone with a Bachelors Degree.
It seems that mankind has a way of coming up with answers just in the nick of time to save a lot of people: Penicillin, for instance. Maybe this will find a way to get us off the planet in time to save our civilization before the next mantle bubble explodes, or an asteroid collision or whatever might causes another global extinction.

We don’t need to be calling these smart people idiots. I have more faith in their judgment that I have faith in doctors, these days. The scientists aren’t trying to take my money just because I have insurance. But, that is another subject for another blog.
[...] Despite what the naysayers like to believe, the results of experiments like these eventually help improve all our lives.  Next time you turn on a light, talk on a cell phone, or read this post on a computer you can thank some scientist doing so called "useless" experiments.

I'd be more worried about the naive stupidity of people causing actual problems then this experiment.
Josaline,
Particle colliders don't freak people out and make them angry, people freak people out and make them angry.

Wilson,
Poppycock.  Your argument aside, your conclusion is whack.  The only things Congress could do are decide not to further fund it or declare war on CERN.  The war against particle physics.  We know we have some of their fundementalists working in cells in Illinois, but CIA and FBI are watching them closely.  We can not stand by idly while the eggheads attack the globe.  I guess I can sort of see that.

Mike,
I disagree with two items on your list.  The rest were spot on.  Good work.

"Azusa"
I know what you mean.  Advancements that lowered the infant death rate suck.  The only thing worse is keeping people alive so long that really terrible diseases can overtake their bodies.  I mean, how many people and their families suffered through Alzheimer's when 30 was old?  Damn scientists.
Alot of people feared that spliting the atom would cause a massive chain reation that would ignite the atmosphere and kill us all. Newspapers and people freaked out when they found out about this little tidbit. The public and media ignored the scientists and went into a frenzy for a short while.
We have reactors operating all over world. Who was right in that case?
"Why put ourselves at risk...?", "What possible use could we have for something like this...?", "Why are we tempting fate...?"

Questions like these have all been asked before.

Truth is, in the grand scale of things, these so-called risks we are exposing ourselves to are no more than what our early ancestors faced when they first started doing the following: eating fruits and plants outside of their usual dietary patterns (risk of ingesting something poisonous and dying); hunting different kinds of prey (risk of becoming hunted instead and getting killed); sailing to places beyond what their eyes could see (risk of falling off the face of the earth to their deaths) - you get the picture.

At the time there must have been dozens of different reasons not to do those things too. But brave men and women eventually went ahead and did them despite - and I emphasis this - the speculative nature of the risks involved (just like some of the arguments here), and we are better off today because of it.

Even if you have none of the enterprise that characterises mankind's earliest feats of exploration and discovery, consider this: if the LHC does not bring about the end of humankind, would you want to be mentioned in the same breath as those who so long ago believed that the earth was flat, and, more recently, those who were convinced the world would end in Y2K?

I'd rather support the LHC instead, if only to remain comforted in the knowledge that in the event our little experiment does cause a black hole to swallow the universe... hey, at least history won't have time to remember which side I took. :)
the ignorance here is dizzying.  to say that there will be no advancements in our quality of life is to completely neglect history.  it shows a complete lack of understanding of how technology has advanced over the last 3,000 years.

most advancements in technology have come as a result of some outrageous, forward thinking experiment that has had "spinoff" technologies come as a result.  see nuclear bomb.

truth is that the scientists involved can't, or won't speculate on what "might" come of the LHC other than some greater knowledge of our universe/multiverse (what have you), but any person with an understanding of scientific history will know unequivocally that there will almost certainly be more than just a few major advances in quality of life based off of the experiments run at the LHC.
LoL. The Evolutionists of us want to build a time/space machine to live longer or live forever and the Creationists of us don't want to tick God off in the process. Either way the big question will finally be answered. If God exists than he won't obviously allow humans to destroy earth completely and if he doesn't exists than, as long as your having fun, who cares :)
There was a made for TV movie on yesterday.  It was called "The Black Hole."  A particle collider made a black hole that sort of hovered there, started eating St. Louis, and released an interdimensional monster that was killing people.  We're lucky that was just a movie.  If it had been a documentary we'd all be screwed.
First and for most! You must understand black holes. A large singularity that eats matter and spits out! WHAT NOTHING!!!!! Bull, it spits out dark energy, anti matter and all that's necessary to balance the universe. And we expect to make one! Ha!

Hey it was the educated experts in the past who thought the world was flat.

That smoking was actually healthy.

That the largest technologically advanced ship for her time was unsinkable.  The Titanic never even made it across the Atlantic on her first trip out of dry dock.

Experts are wrong like the rest of the humans about things. We learn from mistakes.

Losing earth may be a mistake or not.


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