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Totally fictional doomsdays

Posted: Monday, September 08, 2008 8:23 PM by Alan Boyle


Scott Eklund / Seattle Post-Intelligencer file
University of Washington physicist John Cramer has designed an experiment
in reverse-time causality - and has written a novel about time travel as well.

Have you heard the one about the physics experiment that created globe-gobbling black holes? Or killer neutrino beams? Or the voice of God? How about antimatter explosives and the boson bomb? There's even a supercollider that set off a crisis so huge that scientists had to be sent back in time to make sure the supercollider was never built in the first place.

All these subatomic nightmares, and more besides, are pure science fiction ... with a bit of science woven in.

The black-hole nightmare in particular has touched off a wave of worry about the Large Hadron Collider, complete with lawsuits, tearful protests and death threats.

Several rounds of scientific studies, considering increasingly outlandish scenarios, have ruled out the black-hole threat. The evidence shows that the collider is absolutely safe, and poses no chance of cosmic catastrophe. Nevertheless, the hysteria continues: Part of the reason for that is that scientists say it's conceivable that a less threatening breed of subatomic black holes could be created. But another factor is that there's so much science-fiction appeal to the tale of the black hole that ate the earth.

In fact, the idea goes back at least several years before Europe's CERN particle-physics lab even gave the go-ahead for building the LHC. Physicist/author David Brin used the black-hole scenario as a plot device in his eco-disaster novel "Earth," published in 1990 (and Brin has said the idea didn't originate with him).

Campaigners worked the cosmic-catastrophe theme into their opposition to Fermilab's Tevatron in Illinois (starting in the mid-1990s), the Relativistic Heavy Ion Collider in New York (starting in the late '90s) and the LHC (starting a couple of years ago).

Those real-life atom-smashers, in addition to the never-built Superconducting Super Collider in Texas, figure in a bevy of subatomic scare stories. Perhaps the eeriest one is "Einstein's Bridge," by University of Washington physicist John Cramer.

It's eerie on at least two counts:

  • Cramer worked on the novel in the early to mid-1990s, before and after Congress' 1993 cancellation of funding for the Superconducting Super Collider. The Texas facility as well as the LHC (which was approved for construction around the same time) figure in the plot, along with some real-life and quasi-real-life characters from politics and particle physics. I won't spoil the plot, other than to say it involves aliens from two different metaverses and a desperate effort to go back in time and make sure the supercollider never got built. (The effort apparently worked.)

  • Speaking of time travel, Cramer has been in the midst of a real-life experiment in retrocausality - a kind of backward flow of information from the future to the past. I first wrote about this experiment almost two years ago, and Cramer recently told me that he's still trying to get the apparatus to work. Perhaps what Stephen Hawking said is true: Nature abhors a time machine.

Cramer, who's also on one of the research teams using the Relativistic Heavy Ion Collider, has often said that he'll write either a scientific paper or a novel about backward causality.

"If the experiment works, then I will be on to some very interesting roads to success," Cramer said, "but I'll probably end up writing the novel rather than making the discovery. In a sense, doing the experiment is background for the novel."

The Large Hadron Collider just might provide Cramer and other science-savvy novelists with new material for their stories. Probably not about world-threatening black holes, though. That plot has been around for years.

Like most scientists, Cramer says the same theory that suggests black holes might be created at the LHC also says they would fizzle out instantly - which he explained in his "Alternate View" column for Analog magazine, more than five years ago.

In fact, Cramer doubts that the LHC will ever find black holes. He's more hopeful that physicists will detect their main target, a fundamental particle called the Higgs boson.

"It's fairly likely that they will see the Higgs at some point, but it will be a while before they can make a case for it," he told me. "It's fairly unlikely that they'll find black holes. And it's also fairly likely they'll see something they didn't expect at all." 

Are you looking for more thrills and chills? Here are 10 other novels that explore the fictional frontiers of particle physics. Some of them have already been featured as selections for the Cosmic Log Used-Book Club.

  • "Angels and Demons": Dan Brown's thriller is set mostly in Rome, but the opening chapters - including the theft of an antimatter bomb - bring the sleuthing symbolologist from "The Da Vinci Code" to the Large Hadron Collider. The movie adaptation, starring Tom Hanks, is due out next year. Check out this reality check from CERN, and this update on how filmmakers came to the real LHC to prepare for the big-screen version.

  • "Blasphemy": Here's another fast-moving thriller about a fictional supercollider named Isabella (a reference to the never-completed ISABELLE collider in New York). The physicists think they're hearing the voice of God, while militant Christians think Armageddon is nigh. What on earth inspired Douglas Preston to write this one? Click here for the spoiler

  • "Cat's Cradle": Kurt Vonnegut's classic is a 20th-century tale of the Midas touch. In this version, the catastrophe is brought on by ice-nine, a fictional form of water that freezes over even at high temperatures. The ice-nine concept has been evoked in the discussions over whether exotic bits of matter known as strangelets could turn everything it touches into strangelets as well - a doomsday scenario that experts have judged to be all wet.

  • "Cosm": The Relativistic Heavy Ion Collider is the setting for Gregory Benford's novel about subatomic smash-ups that create little big bangs and new universes.

  • "Final Theory": Mark Alpert's novel is one of the latest entrants in the subatomic-scare genre. It's based on the idea that Albert Einstein actually came up with a unified field theory - but saw that the applications were so deadly that it had to be kept secret. Some critics have seen parallels to "The Da Vinci Code," but the crucial scenes focus on the Tevatron rather than the Templars.

  • "Flashforward": In Robert J. Sawyer's novel, physicists at the Large Hadron Collider set out to find the Higgs boson, but when they turn on the atom-smasher, they find instead that everyone on Earth blacks out for two minutes and gets a sneak preview of life 21 years later. Was it all just a hallucination?

  • "The God Particle": Richard Cox's novel should not be confused with the nonfiction book of the same name that was written by Nobel-winning physicist Leon Lederman. In this tale, the quest for the Higgs boson at the Superconducting Super Collider sparks strange new powers in a regular guy who doesn't understand what's going on. Kind of like a "Heroes" episode.

  • "A Hole in Texas": Herman Wouk ("War and Remembrance") blends politics, particle physics and a little hanky-panky in his novel about a veteran of the Superconducting Super Collider project who's called back into service when Washington fears that the Chinese might be working on a boson bomb.

  • "Manifold: Time": The first book in Stephen Baxter's science-fiction trilogy suggests that faint messages can be sent back in time from the end of the universe, using coded neutrinos. And that's not all: If you read only one novel about spacefaring squids, this is the one. 

  • "Timescape": This Gregory Benford novel is also about time-traveling messages - in this case, faster-than-light tachyons sent back from an environmentally wrecked world in 1998 to a nuclear magnetic resonance experiment in 1963. How can you reconcile quantum mechanics with information flowing backward in time? Sounds like it's John Cramer's retrocausality experiment all over again.

Do you have further suggestions for subatomic stories? Feel free to leave them as comments below, and they just might turn into future recommendations for the Cosmic Log Used-Book Club.

Update for 11:50 a.m. ET May 21, 2009: I traveled back in time to let you know about the status of Cramer's retrocausality experiment. He's gearing up for "phase 3," but there are still no results to report.

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fictional doomsday, eh?
get this guy together with the clowns on Discovery Project Earth...it's the weirdest Sc-Fi I've ever seen...they're pitchin' fictional doomsday too!
Your guy can help with the bells and whistles...effects, etc...
laser light shows flicker and pop over saran wrapped glaciers...reflecting off Anthropogenic, salt seeded clouds...bouncing back to highlight all the little paratrooper trees.
There's some Sci-Fi for ya'll...and it's being peddled as for real.
heads up, Kids...
James P. Hogan - Thrice upon a time. Earth is destroyed Twice. Once by a swarm of microscopic black holes created by a fusion device, the second time by a plague. Both rewritten via a time machine. The sad part of the story isn't the billions that die but rather the two soulmates who just keep missing the connection in the rebooted timeline.
How about some non fiction.
When the first A bomb was tested the scientists didn't
know if the chain reaction would stop as a bomb or
keep going and consume the earth. Am I wrong?
To this list of science fiction scenarios, one must add Jack McDevitt's Odyssey, which imagines a huge particle accelerator in space, about to replicate the Big Bang, which would destroy the universe if a secreative race of superior aliens hadn't interfered and blown the entire project up. A good yarn.

Daniel Grotta

Hello Alan,

Science has always been a noble and respected profession with the goal of bettering society.  Personal threats of any kind are not civilized.

Still, do you consider Professor Brian Cox a credible enough source on this when at the same time he is calling scientists with opposing views "t***s".  At a minimum his comments are unprofessional and do not reflect well on he or CERN.

It seems someone should interview Frank Wilczek to get the facts on this one.

[ALAN ADDS: James, I'm hoping to get in touch with Frank Wilczek in the next week and ask him about the LHC and other matters. He's currently on a book tour, but he may be more reticent about speaking out now. Here's another report that quotes Wilczek:]

http://www.metrobostonnews.com/us/article/2008/09/09/03/5600-72/index.xml

 

No one will ever discover retrocausality. To believe that such a thing is possible is to misconstrue what time is. What will be discovered are mistakes in a fundamental premise which express themselves as retrocausality.
One of my somewhat recent favorites is "The Trigger" by Arthur C. Clarke (RIP) and Michael Kube-McDowell. Some people love it, others hate (especially gun enthusiasts and war supporters).

The characters try to develop an gravity machine that, well, unexpectedly detonates any explosives within a radius of the energy you pump into it... I won't offer any spoilers, but it's definitely a sci-fi thriller with hearty helpings of social commentary.

Pretty related to the particle physics theme, so I think a nice fit for this list :)
While the hunt for the Higgs Boson is an admirable one and will advance mankind's knowledge, it is a theoretical particle.  The Large Hadron Collider can theoretically find evidence of it.  All this is well and good.  What I find odd are absolute statements that nothing can go wrong with Black Holes or anything else when even the physicists are only proposing theories on what will happen in the search for the Higgs Boson and beyond.  If I don't know what is going to happen with my experiment I certainly can't say what won't.
I don't suppose the LHC itself would have been considered "science fiction" a few years ago...  A point to be made here is, no one knows how the first Big Bang occurred.  What if its first moments required much less energy than we presume?  What if it is possible to re-create a cataclysmic big bang, in this case accidentally?  After all, we are getting into uncharted areas, and scientists have been known to make mistakes.  Whatever the actual level of risk, I believe the CERN scientists are putting their egos and careers ahead of it.
Actually there is mounting evidence that we do not know the nature of matter or of black holes. The really big ones in all parts of the universe and at every epoch don't grow beyond 10 billion solar masses. The ten galaxies around ours with a central black hole are the same mass. It is highly suggestive of repeating symmetries and the scientists did say they would have to stop and consider the validity of all the data if the universe was fractal in any way what so ever.

Enough of science I am not convinced the scientists would stop now even if it became clear the thing is dangerous. For one I hold the Bible as the greatest book ever written and it is very specific that wise men will look foolish before God's wisdom.
If the experiment works, it will not necessarily prove retrocasuality - however, it will prove something just as interesting - faster than light transmission of information.  The way entanglement works in quantum mechanics means that one particle will transmit information backward in time to the point of origination, and then forwards in time to the other particle.  An observer would see an instantaneous transmittal of information, but not before it happens.  The neat thing is that this could be done across any distance, even an intergalatic one, if there was a practical way to put one-half of an entangled particle pair out that far, and if there was someone there who could share useful information that could be shared by the wave/particle duality...  maybe by using some sort of morse code or binary language.  Einstein was adamantly against "spooky action at a distance" but he was adamant about the cosmological constant too.
Michael Noonan, Good suggestion for another science fiction book.
The scientist leading the hysteria is Professor Otto Rossler. At http://www.mathematik.tu-darmstadt.de/~bruhn/CommRoesslerPaper.html you will see his mathematics in black text, with critical comments by another scientist in blue text. Notice how Rossler states, in paragraph three, that the speed of light changes. This violates Einstein's theory of relativity, which has decades of experimental proof behind it. In fact, your GPS receiver is only accurate because scientists thoroughly understand relativity and can perfectly compensate for it. In summary, if you trust your GPS, then the world is safe.
Author Ray Hammond has a chapter extract online about a military black hole experiment - http://www.rayhammond.com/Brotherood%20of%20Angels%20Prologue.html - from a novel called "Brotherhood of Angels" - it doesn't seem to be published yet, though (disappointingly!).
"This violates Einstein's theory of relativity, which has decades of experimental proof behind it. In fact, your GPS receiver is only accurate because scientists thoroughly understand relativity and can perfectly compensate for it. In summary, if you trust your GPS, then the world is safe."

GPS is accurate about +/- 20 meters, by your logic that means scientists were +/- 20 meters accurate in their understanding of relativity. BTW, light has already been sped up beyond "the speed of light", by scientists, so what does that say about your "decades of experimental proof"?
I'm still nervous. Too many people trying to play God.
To Van, Bloomington: What is so wrong about daring to enter the uncharted areas? If humankind didn't have the currage and curiosity, we'd still be sitting in the caves waiting for the lightning to start the fire. I say, GO CERN!
hey Mark...most of those involved denied that they were really worried about the dreaded continuous chain reaction...however, as mentioned here earlier, Johnny von Neumann, the human calculator, who did all the numbers, was terrified.
film at 11...except it seems to have disappeared...there is film of this event with von Neumann cowering in the bunker...somewhere
does someone know about the progress of J.Cramers experiment?
I cant find any Information about it

[ALAN ADDS: I did ask Professor Cramer about the status, and he said he's still trying to get the apparatus to work. It's a very delicate measurement, so it's not just a matter of flipping a switch and taking the data. It may be that quantum mechanics is conspiring against him.   ;-)    ]
Rössler is the more vocal of the two scientists that have put forth doomsday scenarios in a somewhat scientific form. Neither of them has any expertise in the relevant fields; and their calculations have been shown to be worthless by people that really do have expertise. Rössler is a very eccentric fellow, to say the least. You can read more about him (and the LHC safety issue) in a post called "Large Hadron Collider: What’s the Risk?" at http://onscreen-scientist.com/?p=34.
Another good book featuring the subatomic universe: "Schild's ladder" by Greg Egan. An experiment into the nature of vacuum triggers off a change in the universe, as it turns out we were living in a false vacuum. In the opening chapters, people load digital copies of themselves into "femtomachines" (machines made of subatomic particles!) to try and figure out a solution in the few seconds they have before they are wiped out. The whole book has big ideas about the nature of space and life in general.
"Singularity" by Bill DeSmedt is a great listen (it's an audio book - http://www.podiobooks.com/title/singularity)

In this story, the Tunguska blast was actually caused by a micro black hole that hit the Earth and instead of exiting, is now orbiting inside. It's a spy / sci-fi / nerd novel with actual data and facts (interspersed with a little Jame's Bond silliness).
Consider also Joe Haldeman's "The Forever Peace" (which is not, despite the title, a sequel to "The Forever War"), in which a group of scientists race to prove the space-based device they're working on *will* destroy the universe, and should be scrapped before it's activated.

For more-or-less *deliberate* messin' with the universe, see Orson Scott Card's Columbus novel (I think it was called something like "Pastwatch: The Redemption"), in which the world invents a time machine and uses it to go back and thwart Columbus, in order to preempt the European conquest of the Americas. This, of course, has the effect of wiping out the future from which the time travelers came! (I actually think Jared Diamond's analysis in "Guns, Germs, and Steel" demolishes the premise of Card's novel).
How about short stories? In "The World as we Know't" by Howard Waldrop, a Ben Franklin-ish scientist in the 18th century accidentally destroys the world when he tries to ignite phlogiston.

A possible moral is that, if you wait to do any experiment until you know with 100% certainty that it's safe, you simply don't have any science at all.
People once thought that if you sailed out to sea, there was a risk that you would reach then end of the world and fall off into nothing. We later found that the world was round. People once thought that the sun was a god that rode a chariot of flame across the sky. We later found that it was a big ball of fire. And instead of the Earth being the center of our solar system... that god on his chariot of fire was. My point being, that when we are faced with the unknown we tend to make up an acceptable answer for it and follow that answer religiously. Science, explorers, and those unwilling to accept things as we assume them to be have consistently lead the way to our understanding of the way things really are. And the people who religiously believe in the make believe will always try convince others to help them prevent us from making progress. To scientist, explorers, and anyone who refuses to believe in what we assume is the truth, I thank you for my cell phone with GPS locator for 911 services, the internet which makes this conversation possible, and for continuing to push the limits of what we assume is the truth.
The first black hole doom story I read was "Thrice Upon A Time"  by James P. Hogan.
Nice to see that not all are forcasting doom and gloom!

Check out my blog post about the 'I survived the Large Hadron Collider Experiment' T-Shirt and continue spreading the word ;)

http://www.damnedifgodexists.com/blog/2008/09/08/will-you-survive-the-large-hadron-collider-experiment/
The scientific community have done a terrible job in reassuring and educating the public about what they are doing here. The amount of fear and worry going around at the moment is a shocking indication of how much the scientists have failed with this, and will only lead to a mistrust of scientists and of science in general.
A better book to read is "The Guardian Projects" by James Herbert Edwards, this is really a great book
Ray
In "Hyperion" by Dan Simmons, Earth was destroyed by scientists creating a black hole and it swallowing the Earth. (Without spoiling too much about the series, this actually isn't what happened, but it's what everyone thinks happened.) It was called "the Big Mistake of '08".

I think it was published in 1989, predating Brin's "Earth".
There's a Larry Niven short story from 1975, "The Hole Man" (won the Hugo), that involves murder and solar system destruction via a small black hole (cf. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Hole_Man).  ..bruce..
*** GPS is accurate about +/- 20 meters, by your logic that means scientists were +/- 20 meters accurate in their understanding of relativity. BTW, light has already been sped up beyond "the speed of light", by scientists, so what does that say about your "decades of experimental proof"? ***

GPS's accuracy is limited by practical engineering issues, not any flaw in relativity.

None of the so-called superlunimal experiments violates relativity in any way.  It only violates very unsophisticated popular "understanding" of it.
Perhaps retrocausality is a byproduct of anti-time.  Is there a chance that time, rather than being a dimension or property, is an actual thing, and, in much the same way there is anti-matter, there is also anti-time, and retrocausality is simply evidence of its existence?
What all you self-appointed geniuses in this thread (and similar self-appointed geniuses all over the Internet) are ignorant of is that fact that the LHC won't do anything that hasn't been happening in the upper earth's atmosphere every second for billions of years, as high-energy cosmic rays collide with the atmosphere.  In fact these natural collisions are even higher energy than the LHC ones.

The LHC experiments have occured naturally and are occuring naturally at this very instant -- just not somewhere with appropriate instruments to observe the results.



"James P. Hogan - Thrice upon a time. Earth is destroyed Twice. Once by a swarm of microscopic black holes created by a fusion device, the second time by a plague. Both rewritten via a time machine. The sad part of the story isn't the billions that die but rather the two soulmates who just keep missing the connection in the rebooted timeline."

Heh, I was going to post this and then saw it was the second comment! Glad to see someone else who's read this book. I enjoyed it myself.
Black holes are not a material only phenomenon. They are a modification of space. The tiny "black holes" are theoretically expected to dissolve. Just in case this "dilution is the solution" theory fails, we must have public access to the following information.
- Precise location in space (not geographic coordinates)
- Projected paths of encountering these locations in the future.
- Tracked encounters with these locations.
- Interaction of these locations with other celestial objects. Particularly high mass-energy sources like the sun or stars.

Also, full disclosure of the intent of this experiment is necessary. If someone is planning to "mark" the space itself with some tiny reference dots to measure absolute motion of other objects and the location is picked to be within the projected path of the planet for ease of measurement; this is a really bad idea. We don't know the absolute motion of space and it may allow these points to travel through some very high "mass-energy" sources.
To CommonSenseScientist and Mark Mitchell, Einstein's theories never deal with the actual velocity of light as some absolute value of miles/hour, only with the premise that nothing can travel faster than light.  Scientists can slow the velocity of light through various medium down to slower than walking speed.  As for the accuracy of GPS, the +/- 20 meters was the original accuracy that was available to the public.  Originally, only the military had access to technology that could take full advantage of the incredible accuracy of GPS.  At some point in the 1990's, Congress lifted that restriction so that private industry could develop products to utilize it.  That is when the explosion of GPS technology occured, leading to the advent of Tom Tom and Garmin driving direction applications.
If I remember correctly Dan Simmons' book Hyperion (and its sequels) all have at their core the concept that artificial intelligences, in order to kickstart mankind's colonization of space, assist scientists in an experiment that unbeknownst to the scientists will create a black hole on earth.
"CommonSence"Scientist,
If you weren't so cheap your GPS would be more accurate.  With the willingness to buy better consumer equipment you can get within a centimeter.  It's nice to see that your arguments are based on such solid facts.
On that note, I, and I'm quite sure many others, would be very interested in some information on that whole speeding light to faster than light thing.  That's either very exciting or very fictional.  I'm wondering if you checked these facts as well as you did the GPS thing.
John Ringo's "Into the Looking Glass" Series:

"Into the Looking Glass"
"Vorpal Blade"
"Manxome Foe"
"Claws that Catch" (forthcoming)
Well, at least the post apocalyptic gear is here:
 
http://www.cafepress.com/hadroncollider
Well, lets see: the human race could end due to disease, famine, starvation, nuclear holocaust, warming/cooling, or from being consumed by a black hole.  I'd choose black hole over the other options any day - it just sounds waaaaaaaay cooler.
"GPS is accurate about +/- 20 meters, by your logic that means scientists were +/- 20 meters accurate in their understanding of relativity. BTW, light has already been sped up beyond "the speed of light", by scientists, so what does that say about your "decades of experimental proof"?"

I think you are probably thinking of Cherenkov radiation. The speed of light in a vacuum is a constant (299792458 m/sq. sec) and also the "speed limit" for the universe. However, through a medium (aka, not a vacuum), light itself travels more slowly. There are some kinds of radiation that travel through a particular medium faster than light travels through that same medium. This isn't a violation of relativity; only something traveling faster than the speed of light in a vacuum would violate it. Therefore, the decades of experimental proof remain secure.

As to the uncertainty in GPS readings, they don't necessarily imply a problem with relativity. Other quite likely possibilities include: eccentricities in the satellite's orbit causing variations in distance to earth and therefore signal transmit times; the satellite most likely corrects its clock at intervals and therefore the clock may be off by some tiny amount just prior to an update - take into account the large distances the signal travels this might factor into a 20m distance error; for liability reasons the GPS provider may just state some margin of error to prevent anyone from suing them whether or not they really expect the device to be off!

Bear in mind also that the Earth is around 40075000m in circumference...20m doesn't seem like all that large of an error in comparison, does it?

Hopefully you learned in science class that ALL measurements contain inherent uncertainty. Perfection is impossible, no matter how correct the theory. Reasonable margins of error are what we look for.
Have you ever wondered why we don't see evidence of intelligent life out there? You don't suppose that life advances to the point they can build a super collider and then...
Military SF writer John Ringo has a series starting with Into the Looking Glass http://www.webscription.net/p-232-into-the-looking-glass.aspx
"When a 60 kiloton nuclear explosion destroys the University of Central Florida, terrorism is the first suspect. But terrorists don't generally leave doorways to another world in their wake."

Boson generator creates gates which link Earth to unfortunate enemies.
More books...

Not SciFi, but ZOMBIES!

The Rising and its sequel City of the Dead by Brian Keene...a particle accelerator exposes another dimension filled with angry demons who take over the earth by turning us all into zombies.  Not just any zombies...zombies that can shoot guns, drive cars, plan and strategize.  FUN.
Rogue asteroids or comets are real and could one day destroy all life on Earth. But, that could happen today, a million years from now, or at anytime in between. The LHC? We'll find out soon enough.

The way I see it, if the scientists at the LHC are wrong about their calculations, and the world is destroyed, they will be the first to know.

There's some consolation to that. :-))

I'm all for it. If we survive, and I think our planet will be just fine, the LHC is going to open up new worlds of understanding into the nature of existence -- or not. That's the way science works. Even in failure, we learn something and advance our knowledge.
In James Hogan's "Thrice Upon a Time" only humanity is threatened by the plague.  The Earth remains intact.

At the end of the story there is a hint that the soulmates will get together in the latest reset.
Stephen King's story The Mist is based on a physics experiment that went awry, and opened up a channel between universes, which was taken advantage of by some very nasty creatures.  A creepy movie was made of the same name, based on the story.
Nothing is funnier than listening to religious people try to use logic to defend their superstitions.  I don't know jack about the bible, and I would surely not attempt to refer to it when defending the scientific method.  Science proves its own legitimacy with results (the atom bomb DID work, and it DIDN'T blow up the world).  Religion presupposes its own legitimacy by begging the question; god is omnipotent, he wrote the bible, the bible says god is omnipotent, so it's true (but you have to die before you get to see the proof!).  You bible folks shouldn't clutter up such seamless logic (or lack thereof) by dabbling in things you can't comprehend, like GPS and black holes.  Leave technical details to the people who show proof on their homework.


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