Open letter to the scientists at CERN.



Dear workers, scientists and theoretical physicists, working on the Hadron Collider,



I have learned that there is a strong possibility that there is a fourth state of matter called Monatomic Atoms or High Spin Atoms.

The theory being that these atoms spin just fast enough to prevent them from forming molecules.

When A. Einstein was working on his theories the technology to find them was not available.

Is this what was missing; are you trying to make a three sided square ?


Can you put your hands on your hearts and give me and my fellow citizens of the world a categorical assurance that you have proved or disproved their existence and included this in your calculations?

A simple Yes or No will suffice.



Yours, in hope,

Peter J.G.Hendry.
Domaine des Fontenilles
87360
Azat le Ris
France

Hey Alan,
There's a lot of speculation here...with more sure to follow.
What is your opinion of the potential risk/reward of this project?
Is the uproar akin to creationism v. whatever the other stuff is being called today?
Agendas gone wild...or legit concern for Humanity?
You know more than most of us.

Honestly, i don't think it matters.
If it works out and we discover the mother of all particles, yay for us.

If it doesn't and destroys the world, then we'll be dead and it wouldn't really matter, would it?

The most dangerous phase of CERN LHC operations is going to be the ALICE heavy Lead (Pb) ion collision experiments, scheduled - once financed in 2009. These shall create hyper-density plasmatic luminosities which could affect gravitational curvature vortices, that could continue into a compression singularity vortex, and produce an expanding quantum wormhole. This is also known as the expanded version of the Einstein-Rosen Bridge Wormhole. The LHC is designed and built upon the current interpretations of the 'Standard Model', and it's operation is to test the validity of said model. If there are any major misinterpretations within the theoretical mathematic framework, then your guess is as good as any scientific guess available, in regard to the experimental outcome possiblities! Everyone is invited to join the ongoing public debate forum: http://thefifthknight.blogspot.com/  

Please don't kill us.

> A simple Yes or No will suffice.

I wish all of life was your simple "yes or no" answers.

Welcome to The Real World, instead.

Would the bloggers with concepts like monatomic atoms or hyper-density plasmatic luminosities please include references to peer-reviewed published work on these topics?  Not self-published or unpublished.  They are not familiar to me, at least.  It would be useful to have the details available for inspection. Then the community could learn and respond. That's how science works, as I expect the writers to agree.

A popular argument against collider research is the question "how will it benefit us" and a popular way of saying "we don't know" is to mention various nice things that were discovered accidentally. But haven't there also been deadly things that were discovered accidentally? Do we know that colliders duplicate closely enough what has occurred "about a hundred thousand" times? How sure are we of that number? Could the collider walls, which obviously aren't found in nature, block something that prevents the destruction of Earth when the natural equivalent occurs? Could they dangerously magnify something? Surprises happen and I want to hear BOTH sides of the story. I'd like to read a synopsis of a debate between opposing experts.

Hello Peter J.G.Hendry,

Your idea sounds interesting, I would like to learn more.  

I don't suspect CERN will take seriously any new theories that might require a delay of operations... CERN leaders appear to have made the decision to proceed at full speed long before the 2008 safety report was even commissioned.

Buckle your seat belts and put on your hard hats!

LHCFacts.org

Deus ex machina!  This is true "Intelligent Design" at work.  Don't pay any attention to the ravings of the superstitious, they're just afraid they'll lose their gig if you figure out the Supreme Identities unlisted phone number.  I'd prefer to place my "faith" where there's a probability of measurable result.

Aren't these same people saying that you cannot travel   back in time past the first black hole they create.

In that case, why not? I thought they were happening naturally all the time and thats why we will not go Poof!

Either way their logic is inconsistent.

Wasn't the big bang, a very big bang? They are trying to re-create it. That sounds if'y to me.

If they don't know how the first one got out of hand, how are they so sure the second one will not?

They are trying to discover how matter comes into existence. Maybe They bring a whole lot through a tiny  hole, and recreate the original big bang to scale.

That does not sound like a good career move!

The attention-seeking anti-LHC kooks are desperate: now they've issued death threats against hard-working legitimate scientists because their lawsuit has recently hit snags (see the link in the above article).  If you look at the scientific credentials of the anti-LHC pseudos, not one has done anything at an advanced level in physics.  

These frivolous lawsuits are common in the U.S.--this nonsense will generate attention, a lecture tour, and maybe even TV appearances and books for the scamsters.  It's sad that the courts involved have stupidly let this 'case' get play--that says a lot about the occupational incompetence of today's judges.

In the words of a great physicist, John Wheeler: "drive the pseudos out of the workshop of science!"

"The report concludes that if the collider could create catastrophes, the much more powerful particle collisions that continually occur in space would have wiped us out long ago. 'It points out that nature has already conducted the equivalent of about a hundred thousand LHC experimental programs on Earth - and the planet still exists,' said Jos Engelen, CERN's chief scientific officer."

What bogus nonsense! This sort of obfuscation is precisely what makes me most worried about the LHC.

Cosmic rays don't impact head-on and they move at different velocities that result in any micro black hole spiraling outwards at thousands of miles per second from the point of origin. That means gravity can't grab them and they will pass harmlessly through the Earth and other celestial bodies as they zoom through space.

But the LHC will deliberately strike particles head-on AND at equal velocities. The consequence has to be that their collision will cancel out each others momentum. Consequently, any resulting micro black hole will be at rest relative to the Earth (unlike micro black holes formed by cosmic ray collisions) and will be captured by Earth's gravity, descending literally to the center of the Earth, where accretion may be possible. As for "Hawking Radiation" that is sheer speculation. If Hawking's speculation is wrong and a micro black hole forms and accretes we might all die. It is the right and duty of all people - not just scientists - to weigh in on the safety of this machine before it's switched on.

If the best argument that these scientists can come up with in defense of the LHC's safety is their oft-repeated nonsense attempting to compare it with collisions of particles in outer space, then I am deeply concerned about starting it up in the first place.

The start of the LHC has been delayed several times over the years; another delay for the general public to thoroughly examine the safety issues won't cause any more difficulty than those delays did.

I read some information from you about "Subatomic safety revisited" from internet. but it is very vast to understand it more. so if it is possible e-mail it to me in my e-mail address.
    See you for now !!!

Ten years ago, I wrote a novel about this coming to pass.  In the novel, which is more intrigue and drama than science, the good guys do not come to the right conclusions and so the end of the world due to the most powerful supercollider.  Let's pray I am not a prophet.

The risk: Destroying mankind.
The reason: For funz & gigglez.

Stupidity.

It's everywhere.

[ALAN ADDS: I should point out that the risk-benefit calculation doesn't work that way. For example, there's a risk that your walking down the sidewalk will somehow set off a nuclear reaction that destroys the earth ... but that doesn't mean you should stop walking down the street. In this case, the fact that the LHC is the most powerful particle accelerator, plus the fact that the subject plays off the types of science-fiction plots we've been brought up on, could lead to an overblown risk assessment.]

I realize it's a lot of fun for "people of science" to insult all of us "ignorant" "naysayers" and "brain-dead" individuals as nothing more than Chicken Littles with an active keyboard.  But the reality is, when you dig deeper, you will see CERN's independent, third-party safety reviews are clearly lacking, and are merely set-up to "complement previous studies."  They say there is "no conceivable threat from the LHC."   But many of mankind's most famous tragedies came from "inconceivable threats" which, if those closely involved only had more imagination, would have clearly seen the threats-- such as icebergs, Chernobyl, and terrorists using aircraft as missles.  

A healthy dialog about risks and rewards of the LHC should be encouraged and embraced -- but instead, CERN is more concerned with demonizing those who want us to move a bit slower examining the ramifications of these experiments.  I think the people of this planet deserve more than a flippant response such as "we're still here aren't we?" when you're dealing with a much, much, much more powerful machine that can create temperatures "100,000 times hotter than the core of the sun" on Earth.  

I've seen the info and seminars led by CERN to supposedly ease our concerns about this contraption, and it only leaves me much more concerned.  The bitter animosity exhibited by the top scientists, such as Jonathan Ellis, toward any one who dares raise concerns about the LHC is truly frightening-- and shows how dangerous this whole project is.  They are clearly blinded by their ambition-- and it is us, the people of the Earth, who may pay the consequences.

The LHC should not be fired up until more experiments by third-party groups are conducted.  And CERN should quit attacking those who rightfully question the safety of the LHC.

CERN:  Don't pee on my leg and tell me it's raining.

 WHY SHOULD ANYONE WORRY

If you believe that our universe has a purpose or has infinite intelligence behind it, such intelligence would provide adequate safeguards; so, stop worrying.
 If you do not believe intelligence or purpose is involved (it's all just a matter of chance) why should you be concerned or be worrying at all. Who, cares in such a case, if really believe it's all a matter of chance and without intelligence or purpose?
 If you don't think the intelligence is infinite, isn't there enough evidence around, in our universe, of the power of such intelligence to make worrying ridiculous?
 Science can not be 100% confident in its predictions; so, some scientists can say that things are not close enough to 100% for them to sign on. It was scientifically possible that our moon was covered in a deep layer of meteoric dust, accumulated over millions of years, that would swallow up any landing craft and science could not, therefore, say it was 100% certain that our craft would land on sufficiently solid ground, but it was sufficiently close to 100% to prevent any justifiable worrying on this matter. The loss of one space craft and a few men let the odds of a safe round trip drop to less than 80%; hence, some scientists said don't do it; the President and astronauts said "GO!". The loss of our planet and all its people due to miscalculations for the LHC certainly demands better than 80% confidence it won't happen, but the probability of the imagined troubles are so small (.000000001?) that it is ridiculous to worry, far better chance an asteroid wipes us out. Again, I quote the old Cape Codder, "Me worry? I've lived many years and had many troubles, but most of them never happened.".                     Over 15,000 people are killed by drunk drivers in the U.S. each year. What does that do to your confidence of getting home safely in your car? How many people are sitting home rather than take such a chance? People are funny (inconsistent), the chance of getting killed in an airplane crash is far smaller than that in a car crash, but people DO refuse to fly for fear of the plane crashing; yet, they still drive daily. Hence, it should be no surprise that some worry about the dangers of the LHC more than those of driving or asteroids.
 As for me, my confidence is 100% that the (infinite?) intelligence displayed by our fantastic universe has built in safeguards (cosmic rays have not caused such trouble already because of these "safeguards"?) and I can say 100%, which is allowed in some non-scientiic areas, but not as a scientist, As a scientist, the confidence is sufficiently close to 100% things will go as the theory predicts that no one should be gravely worried. At 90% I might join the worriers, but not at 99.9999% and with the indicated "safeguards" of our universe as an extra safety margin it seems most reasonable people and even many unreasonable people can rest easy.
 Here's a final one for the worriers. The chance that the sun won't come up every day from now to the day of full energy for the LHC is less close to 100% than the LHC causing the claimed world wide dangers. Put anoher way, it's safer to bet on the LHC not causing the claimed world wide dangers than betting on the sun coming up each day for another year. Are you worried about the sun coming up daily for the next year (for the rest of your life even)?  If not, you need to be even LESS worried about the LHC killing you or people at CERN due to any strange creations. I do think that most will agree concern that the sun won't come up tomorrow is far out even though the scientific confidence is not 100%. It is close enough to 100% that normal humans don't worry about it. Get back to me when you lose your confidence in (start worrying about) sunrises and sunsets and I'll try to help you.

I find it extremely telling that the most advanced physics experiment in human history is being run by Europe's CERN and not Fermilab. Back in the 1980s, the US had an opportunity to build an even more ambitious supercollider... but construction was killed by Congress because of concerns over the $11b bill. (The Iraq war has cost $550 billion by conservative estimates.) Compound that with the severe decline in funding of the space program, the Bush administration's undeclared eight-year War On Science and the fact that the current GOP Vice-Presidential nominee sincerely believes in a 6000-year-old Universe, and actually has a chance at being second in line to run the country... is it then really any wonder that the rest of the world has surpassed the United States in scientific innovation?

Mr. Boyle -
What is your opinion?  This is a rather weighty issue - surely you have one.  Will this be the final culmination of human hubris, or a safe and sober advance in human exploration?

[ALAN ADDS: I've said it before and I'll say it again: I am of the view that the LHC is absolutely safe. It's another incremental step toward understanding the mysteries of the atom. That being said, I'm glad to listen to the arguments from the other side. Sometimes such arguments lead to new perspectives. For example, past criticisms of what turned out to be pretty solid scientific claims have nevertheless led to fresh studies and the extension or revision of theory. Bottom line: DON'T PANIC.]

Patrick,
Surely cosmic rays do collide head on.  Not most of them, but the random pair every now and then.  I must wonder at how many have done so, with a resultant within capture velocity (*), in the last 4.5 billion years.  Even if the number is small, if there is anything to worry about we should see examples of that justifiable worry in our own solar system.  But we don't.  Instead of planet sized black holes that grew from MBHs we see planets.  Instead of a star sized black hole that grew from MBHs we see a star.
* that would be capture velocity for earth, the sun, and every other star we can see.  Seperately, how many correct energy strikes are there on any given neutron star.  Neutron degenerate matter is basically one huge nucleus, so even at breakneck speeds a MBH would be stopped.
This argument isn't an obfuscation, it's a statistical certainty.

This is the third or so time I've seen obfuscation and hubris came up again, over a dozen now, I think.  Are these on some word a day calendar?  Or is Alan's blog just good for our vocab?  Or do $5 words make up for $2 ideas.

Ken McFarlane,
Almost everything they post can be found online to some degree with any search engine.  Unfortunately, a lot of the peer reviewed literature available online for these sorts of things is available through paid subscription only.  If you want something more reliable, although less up to date, than a wiki there's always a b&m library.  My thoughts, if you just want a basic understanding then not more than 2 hours online should suffice.  If you want to really understand a complex issue, and many of the things you see here are based on string theory, you need to look at college.  Some colleges are providing free podcasts of the appropriate classes, all it takes is a whole lot of time on your part.  The library falls into that awkward middle of too much information to be easily understood and no person to explain it.  Still doable.

RJG,
1+1=2.  It's been proven.  Some people are worried about what will happen when we add 1 and 1.  The smart people told them it will equal 2.  There are people who don't understand the answer, there are people who won't accept the proof - I think it's something like 104 pages and a little hard to follow.  As a smart person I can tell you that it's annoying to listen to people continue to cry about something because they aren't capable of understanding or just won't accept reason.  When annoyed we don't demonize, and we don't idiofy, we simply point out what's already there and sometimes make fun of it.  But that's just 'cause you're funny.

And to clarify, it's raining, you're just afraid that it might be somebody pissing on your leg.

LHC got press on Google News yesterday.  Nothing negative about project, just pointing out that U.S. is loosing ground.  I only read lead story, others might be different, but it's a little more exposure regardless.

Peter, as the presenter of any new theory, the onus is on *you* to describe whatever testable predictions it makes. And if a theory doesn't predict something new and/or explain a previous observation that doesn't fit within currently established theory, while also being consistent with what we do know...what good is it? You haven't even said if there's a hazard involved, or what it might be (Which would also be part of a testable prediction.)

The folks at CERN aren't required to take into account 'Monatomic Atoms' (whatever they are) or Blue Faries...

And Patrick:

"Cosmic rays don't impact head-on and they move at different velocities that result in any micro black hole spiraling outwards at thousands of miles per second from the point of origin."

Are you saying that in the entire history of Earth undergoing natural cosmic ray bombardment, the collision conditions you describe have never happened even once? Come now.

Plus, any 'micro' black holse that may form, even if stable, would be *far smaler than atoms, themselves.* And with the gravitational field of typical subatomic particles. The chances of consuming other particles is therefore extremely small, and unless this cancellation that concerns you is virtually perfect, if any residual velocity is greater than Earth's escape velocity...they're outta here. (It's a little more complicated if the black hole has an electric charge, taking a slightly less direct path out of the Earth, but not complicated by much.)

Indeed, my biggest concern is that the effects they hope to see, may take rather more energy than even this accelerator can give, and we may end up just adding a few more decimal places to what we already know. We'll see.

Just a bit of consolation for a lot of the posters here -- there are several thousand people from all around the world who are working at CERN, and most of them are true scientists with families also living there.  They are not collectively prepared to risk their own and their loved ones' lives in some kind of stupid sophomoric stunt.  The purpose of CERN is to benefit mankind by expanding our field of knowledge and reducing our area of ignorance.

Adam's original sin was not in exercising his God-given intelligence, but in his overweening pride in himself. And when CERN was just beginning, a fellow named Tim Berners-Lee invented the world wide web, which all these naysayers now use to denigrate Adam's descendants who still try to exercise their intelligence to illuminate another bit of the darkness surrounding us.

I love it when people say things like "they shouldn't even turn this contraption on!" I mean come on! this is a multi national project with thousands of scientists envolved and worth what it would take to fund another gulf war. but I bet my bottom dollar that these ignorant fear mongers would rather we wage war with those billions of dollars because their scared terrorists are going to bomb their childrens schools. For once the planet is comming together in the name of discovery. And if we all end up sucked into a black whole at lest we went doing somthing positive.
   

There is absolutely no point in arguing with the anti-LHC nuts. This is akin to a religious slap fight; pointless and maddening. I learned a long time ago that there is no point, in arguing with folks that have these kinds of belief systems. This calls into question my own sanity given that I am even responding to this post. Suddenly I feel like I'm in a long lost Three Stooges short. CERN-tainly! nyuk nyuk nyuk. YOU NUMBSKULL!

Is there a chance once these particles start to collide and a reaction is created,it would draw in other nearby particles of matter from a central magnetic focal point causing a continuous uncontrollable chain reaction of energy which cannot be stopped until the matter is expended or becomes so dense it expands outward like a vacuum or sun.Has this been asked or considered and are there safety measures in place to prevent this if its possible? Other alternative procedures even if the magnetic field is shut down or can disband the expenditure of energy being released.Kind of like counter measures stopping a sun or black hole from its gravitational pull. What do you expect?? Hope this made sence or am i confused???  Thanks,Mike  

I just read about this experiment.  I don't know if there is a danger or not, but at this moment I find what they are planning to do exciting.  I guess I'm really not that worried about the possible end of the world.  All life becomes extinct at some point, that is a scientific fact.  

Man has prolonged life by discovering how to better our life with science, medicines, etc.  This may be a stupid question, but, can this machine recreate the big bang theory to the primordial soup, and actually create a new life form?  If so, what would we end up with?

Anyway, I believe in fate.  If the world ends, it just means it was our time to go.

Carole  

This all sounds strangely familiar.  Weren't we having this same discussion just about 18 billion years ago - you know, just before they launched full power on the ALICE experiment?

Greetings, Earthlings! My name is Zorgon. I am from the Pleiades star cluster. I am communicating to you from our mothership which is now in a stable lunar orbit. I would like to commend you as you proceed with your Large Hadron Collider project and your noble efforts to probe the mysteries of our cosmos. It is with great excitement that we Pleiadians witness humankind's prodigious discoveries. I wish you good luck!

Seriously people, the world won't end with the supercollider.  It's going to end December 21, 2012 just like the Mayans said.  /sarcasm  

I thought folks might be interested in my latest blog post "Large Hadron Collider: Worth the Risk?" which is at http://onscreen-sci.com/?p=34. Since we keep hearing the same two "PhD scientists" mentioned as being opposed to the LHC, I thought I would take a closer look at them. Not impressive to say the least.

However the universe was created does not matter. It came to be, so leave it alone. I had a dream about this years ok. It seemed ok at first but then began to distroy matter from the inside out. I understood it clearly in the dream, however my waking mind could not put it into words as I have not been educated in physics. While asleep I could understand it. So this is worrying me of course. As a friend of mine just pointed out,it will take aprox 2 months to know if it will be harmful. I have read that it would take about 4 years to distroy the world if that were to occur. That would put us near to the date of 12-21-12, as many have predicted will be the time the poles will shift into the postion of the equator. This is also when the Mayan Calendar ends and the end of the world as predicted in many cultures around the world, so perhaps it is enevitable? Why risk such a thing. We still won't ever understand the secrets of the universe. Although we are part of it, we are still a very small part and there are some things that we should not mess with.

I might just be a poor dumb redneck, but i can't understand risking the existence of mankind itself, for one's quest for knowledge. I do understand the reasons behind these experiments and the need for this knowledge, but with limitations. Because even I know what curiosity did to the cat.

I’m an ignorant and none educator person. But if you are trying to do this just to destroy God's faith you probably won’t accomplish it. I'm a poor guy that had experimented the power of
God by the way I have leave all my life in suffering and there is so many people suffering right now but whatever you guys do to get richer and to control poor people we pretty sure we will die with faith and hope. You guys should repent yourself before doing this you are just playing with matter not with God's soul. God created the soul something that most rich people and most intellectual won't get it because their own Ego. If we believe in the big bang and in human been from evolution. someone made the big bang to happen perfectly but for sure weren't you. neither smart people. this is exacly when God prohibit it to the first 2 person that had God's soul in their body . and sudenly evil tempted them to discover what was around, so they can be like God. But they were humans with the soul of God and they repent themselves and God forgave them amen.

Thanks for the paper, Bob.  You were far too nice in the way you wrote it.

Michael D. Morton, Sr.,
No, there is no chance.  Some other, locally, dangerous things may occur.  But you'd still be safe from those things standing on the surface above.

umm yeh i  have been told so many people at school that some important people somewhere will kill us all. i do not know if what i have been told is correct or whether or not it was for funz nd gigglez but i would like to say this. what is the point of putting the whole, well, EVERYTHING at risk? for what? information. you might be curious about particals or atoms just like a baby might be curois as to what would happen if it swallowed the stuff under the sink or ate a lego brick, but if it puts a life in danger, we dont let the baby, now do we? now what good did curiosity do the cat?

Zorgon! Hah! I have found you. This is Voltron, Chief Commander of the Reptilian Starship Fleet. While you are watching those puny humans and their little Large Hadron Collider experiment, I have launched 100 warships from our asteroid home to rendevous with you in lunar orbit. We will destroy you and the humans with our superior anti-matter ion plasma cannons. We are tired of those humans and their ridiculous experiments.

My God, we have become a nation of tabloid-level idiots incapable of critical thinking. The risks are incredibly tiny and would require our science to be completely wrong. The rewards could be inestimable. Beyond higgs, there is the possibility of moving fusion energy forward at an accelerated rate thanks to what we learn. There is the possibility of new computing, energy, and even medical discoveries from this experiment. At this moment of triumph for our planet, the fact that the discussion has been more about a bunch of superstitions and manufactured crisis instead about the real science is truly pathetic. The fact that MSNBC calls itself a news source while giving junk the same credence as science is a sign of how far down the road to sensationalism we have gone.

Im scared to dead about all of this. being only 11 makes me very scared. Im counting down the "last" (hopefully not) minutes on earth like everyone else is. I hope we survive this like we survived the supposed Y2K

cmac,
I'm not quite sure what you're ranting about.  This is a science blog.  It deals with a diverse range of science stuff, which defines some limits.  It's a blog not API, so the diversity gives it wider appeal, which is commercially necessary.  Alan doesn't create what he reports, or this would be a science fiction blog.  The things reported here are actually going on.  Almost to a fault they're reported neutrally, without bias, with journalistic integrity.  Assuming that you're rational and able to maintain focus, you're junk reference must be about the collider, as that is the topic of your comment.  So I'll dismiss the idea that you mean he should report on the collider but not on "Totally Fictional Doomsdays."  So I wonder what you do mean.  There are a couple of yahoos pushing a court case through.  The case is rediculous, perhaps that makes it junk to you.  I certainly agree that the court case is junk.  It is going on, though, and it is relavent to the collider.  Is your comment that he shouldn't report on legal action being taken?  Or do you mean that there's nothing scientific about releasing a safety report?  Or did you mean the fact that he doesn't blast the yahoos, that is, are you upset that he maintains journalistic integrity?  Or are you just confused and think this is, or should be the six o'clock news?  I am so confused.  It seems like you wanted to make a salient point, but I can't make it out.  Could you offer some clarification on precisely what it is that you're not happy about?  I'd be more than happy to point out Alan's deficiencies to him if you'd just help me understand what they are.
(Alan, I do not mean to imply that you are a god.)

(This from the Rajon Blog :http://rajon.com/blog1/


Spacial fractures and universal barriers

September 19th, 2008

Energy barriers are in place for obvious reasons. Fractures can be seen by those who have the ability. The thing is knowing that your eyesight is not fading or doing other things in a weird way.

Fractures are spacial energy, prismed into shapes that appear in visual range starting small and expand over a limited period of time. Imagine a small c made up of small 3 sided triangular prisms that shimmer. In the loop of the c you see other faint images not of the same dimension. Over time the c grows and shifts to the left or right and expands slowly eventually expanding so big it dissappears from your view and so the experience concludes. The direction is controlled or dictated by the rotational direction of the proton flow at the time in the space within the universe as they change from space to space. 3d one way 4d another etc as well as in each dimansion subtle other levels exist in time that also alternate in flow anti clockwise in one time and clockwise in another.

Difficult to explain but when you are able to see these things and they are only appearing at random in initial stages but then when something like the LHC is activated or tested you get more of them first on the right as the spin of the LHC is in one direction then they change sides and appear on the opposite side you start to wonder what the heck will happen next. Each time the LHC of other unit spins opposite flow it triggers rifts in time and space in some instance just the timeline is affected and the result will depend on which rotation is used....

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