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The shape of space to come

Posted: Wednesday, July 30, 2008 5:17 PM by Alan Boyle


Virgin Galactic
An artist's conception shows passengers in the SpaceShipTwo rocket plane.
Millions could afford to take such flights by 2020, the craft's designer says.

Leaders of the "Old Space" effort and the "New Space" effort laid out separate visions for the next 15 years on the final frontier at the world's biggest experimental air show this week. It turns out that their visions are not all that separate - and that the current space frontiers are not anywhere near that final.

The bottom line? If you think space is cool now, just wait.

By the year 2020, about 100,000 people will have taken a suborbital ride into outer space, said Burt Rutan, the designer of the SpaceShipOne and SpaceShipTwo rocket planes. He said such a trip will be within the reach of millions more, at a cost substantially less than the current going rate of $200,000 - and tourists should be able to buy trips into orbit and around the moon as well.

"All the fun stuff, I think, will be available to the public sooner, because we took the time right now to develop a high-use, affordable, fly-a-lot-of-people space system," Rutan told an overflow crowd Tuesday night at the EAA AirVenture air show in Oshkosh, Wis.

Meanwhile, NASA will be setting up permanent bases on the moon by 2023, and laying out plans for getting to Mars by 2033, Mike Griffin, the space agency's administrator, told a different AirVenture gathering.

Neither of those visions are set in stone, of course: For Rutan and his fellow private-sector rocketeers, it all depends on proving that space tourism is a viable business. Despite the occasional encouraging market study, that proposition still has to be proven in the real world. Virgin Galactic's SpaceShipTwo is still more than a year away from starting commercial service, although a significant step forward was taken this week with the rollout of the rocket plane's mothership.

For Griffin, the predictions about the moon and Mars depend on politicians maintaining the current level of funding for NASA - and "not jerking us around" on space policy.

"It is within our capacity to do it," he said. "It is within our budget capacity to do it, if it remains within our will to do it."

The 'why' of space travel
So why do it? In Oshkosh, leading lights of "Old Space" and "New Space" both cited physicist Stephen Hawking's recent comment about the necessity of space travel. Hawking said spreading out into the cosmos would be the only way to guarantee against the effect of a planetwide catastrophe - and that view got an "amen" from Will Whitehorn, president of Virgin Galactic, as well as from Griffin.

"In the long run, space exploration is about the survival of our human species," Griffin said.


Kathy Barnstorff / NASA
NASA Administrator Mike Griffin, at center in the dark red shirt, has his picture
taken Tuesday with girls from the World Group Home School in Monona, Wis., who
helped name one of the international space station's modules "Harmony."

Whitehorn went even further, arguing that without the benefits of the past 50 years of satellite sensing, Earth would be in a world of hurt today. He pointed out that satellite monitoring has given a big boost to global agricultural production - and said "we'd literally have half a billion people starving right now" if those space assets didn't exist.

"What people don't understand is that space is absolutely crucial to our survival right now," he said.

Old vs. New? The line gets fuzzier
Going forward, it won't be so easy to separate "New Space" from "Old Space." Sure, Virgin Galactic is counting on the revenue from space tourism. "You are the large-volume payload that's been missing," Rutan told Tuesday's appreciative audience.

But Rutan and other New Spacers are hoping NASA will buy some rides as well. That's what Griffin hopes, too: "I've said repeatedly that when commercial human spaceflight opportunities exist, NASA will be a purchaser of those services, whether for astronaut training or for scientific flights," he said.

NASA is in the market for orbital services as well: Two companies, SpaceX and Orbital Sciences, are getting millions of dollars in development funds to build spaceships capable of resupplying the international space station once the shuttle fleet retires in 2010. Griffin said the space agency's recent request for station resupply bids drew proposals from more than a dozen companies.

"I'm very confident that we're going to find some [orbital space services] that we're going to want to purchase," he said.

Pushing out the frontier
Griffin is fond of saying that NASA is involved in the same sort of exploration that sailors on Viking ships or clipper ships took on centuries ago - and is facing the same sorts of challenges. (For example, just as the British voyagers figured out how to beat scurvy, voyagers to Mars are going to have to figure out how to beat deep-space radiation.)

If you extend that metaphor, you'll find that settlers and salesmen almost always followed in the footsteps of the explorers. Rutan slyly referred to that phenomenon during one of his talks in Oshkosh, when he looked right at Virgin Galactic's rebel billionaire, Richard Branson, and observed that innovators "tend to look like a swashbuckler."

If the visions voiced by Rutan and Griffin come true, the explorers will have pushed far beyond Earth orbit by 2023 - leaving plenty of open space for sightseers and settlers. And maybe swashbucklers as well.

Bits and pieces
Tuesday's sessions were mostly devoted to questions and answers, and here are some of the miscellaneous nuggets that came out of the give-and-take:

  • White Knight Two, the plane that will carry SpaceShipTwo up to 50,000 feet for an air launch, has extra seats for ride-alongs, and Rutan said those riders could get an experience much like a spaceflight - complete with a zero-G float, followed by a jolt of acceleration that could briefly go as high as 6 G's. That could serve as a shakedown cruise for would-be spacefliers. Still more seats could eventually be put in White Knight Two's left-side cabin, and Whitehorn said "we would hope that the tickets for that side of the hull would be $900 to $1,000 at the most."

  • Whitehorn promised that the White Knight Two / SpaceShipTwo system would be flown to Oshkosh next year if at all possible. That would be an on-the-ground display opportunity, with SpaceShipTwo remaining firmly attached to its mothership. But Oshkosh also might get first crack if and when Virgin Galactic takes its launch operation on the road. "The first place we'll bring it, commercially, is going to be Oshkosh," Whitehorn said, sparking applause from AirVenture attendees.

  • NASA's Griffin acknowledged that he wasn't happy about the five-year gap between the shuttle fleet's retirement in 2010 and the planned debut of the Orion-Ares launch system in 2015. That gap means NASA will have to purchase rides to the space station from other countries or private providers. But Griffin said the agency couldn't afford to keep the shuttles in operation while it was developing their successors, based on Congress' current funding formula. "I admit, on the face of it, that seems silly," he told the crowd. "But ... I don't want to shock anybody, sometimes in Washington we do think of silly things."

  • Griffin downplayed media reports about vibration problems with the Ares 1 rocket, saying that there were "half a dozen means to mitigate that" and that two top strategies would be selected for further study next month. "Let me put it this way: I hope this is the worst problem we have in developing a new system," he said.

  • He said NASA was working out a deal to send a small, experimental VASIMR engine to the space station for testing. Boosters of the VASIMR plasma technology say such engines could be used on spacecraft bound for Mars and beyond.

  • Griffin said "NASA can technically fly" a shuttle mission to deliver the $1.5 billion Alpha Magnetic Spectrometer to the space station, but he noted that no money has yet been appropriated for such a flight. Until the funding is provided, "AMS won't fly, because it can't fly for free," he said.

Update for 10 a.m. ET July 30: Will SpaceShipTwo really come to Oshkosh next year? Most of the other news reports about Whitehorn's promise focused only on the White Knight Two mothership, but when he referred to the "White Knight Two system" during his talk, I took that to mean the whole package. I called Whitehorn up to clarify today, and he said that although his promise to the Experimental Aircraft Association extended only to White Knight Two, SpaceShipTwo would come along if possible.

So if the rocket plane has to stay in Mojave next year, don't blame Whitehorn. But don't give up hope, either. "We're very hopeful," Whitehorn told me.

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HMMM!!!
Wonder where Hawking got the idea RE "expansion is the solution"?
His advisors must have directed the visionary's viewpoint to the following.
see link by clicking my name...note date...circulated widely in 'visionary' circles such as those frequented by seekers of knowledge.
I am thrilled to have been of assistance.
On the other hand, anyone who would like to place a wager on Rutan's projected passenger figures can contact me by commenting below...any amount...any time...anyplace...
I love it!!!!!! Space travel IS the only way the human race can virtuly survive forever. Our sun will die, and so will the planets. where does that leave us? Well space travel has to start somewhere, and the private sector is where it's at. I'm 28 and I can't wait to see where we're at when I'm 48. WHOOO HOOO!!! lol
I'll sit back and wait for the rich to pay the development and startup costs and make this kind of thing affordable to rest of us as they have so often done...my sincere thanks to them! In the meantime, I don't think I'll waste my money on suborbital flights; a few minutes of thrill. I'll at least wait for an orbital fight if not the moon itself. It has been a life dream of mine to sit on the edge of some giant (undeveloped) moon crater, switch off my mic and at least FEEL truly alone. Might be a good time do do some creative writing.
I hate flying but I'd love to see space first hand.  I think the tourism field would be huge.  Propose on the far side of the moon, wedding in orbit, I'd imagine they can make a relatively stable platform for stargazing, any civilian access to that moon base?  And if this is privatized does that mean there won't be any whining here about cost?
Sign me up for that $1000 ticket in the other side of White Knight Two!  I can afford that right now!  Watching a launch of SS2 and going up to 50,000 ft would be incredible!
Let me know when I can sign up for a trip to the moon for less than $10k. I can pay cash!
hmmmm... "we'd have a half-billion people starving"... uh, hey, guess what?  we have a billion people starving... do i live on another planet than others or what?  I guess we are winning the iraq war and there is no global warming... also, the check's in the mail...
tomulcak...brilliant...it's like the mind fog in a bad horror flick...spread it thick enough, and it's real...besides...none of the Folks in the story knows anyone who is starving...what's the big deal?...half a billion here...half a billion there...thin the herd...make room for more rocket racing, eh?
All I know is my personal dream of actually going into space comes a step closer to reality each day. I am now 49 years old AND WILL go into space in my lifetime. Even 10 years ago I did not believe that this would come to be in my lifetime. I NOW DO.

now if only we can get out of Iraq and use all those billions to turn around our economy...
"Meanwhile, NASA will be setting up permanent bases on the moon by 2023"

Gee, only 40 years after the first time they promised permanent bases.  Wasn't Apollo 25 supposed to start bringing the pieces of the permanent base up there, and Apollo 30 be the final piece?

I'll believe it when I see it, unless I live to 2093.

The idea of expanding off of this planet as a guard against planetary catastrophe has been around a lot longer than Steven Hawking OR Steve Smyth...  They are both recycling the ideas of countless Sci-Fi writers of the 20th century and before.  Expansion is not only needed it is inevitable unless we manage to destroy ourselves before we get there.
Can we sell shuttle system to a private hands after it's retirement and pay "them" to take the crew to the space station instead of Russians?
We have already won the Iraq war. No, we don't have half a billion people starving. And yes, global warming is real and the solution is nuclear power. Please try to keep up, tomulcak.  
Allen, would you please remove the blatenly political and non-contributory comment from tomulcak?  They serve no purpose here and there are plenty of places he can spout his drivel.  I, for one, am excited that private companies are expanding into space.  I second Rider in thanking people who can afford it for shouldering the development costs for these systems.  I look forward to the time I can afford a ticket into orbit!
Once we can figure out how to sustain people in inhospitable places, then we can take those ideas and use them to grow more food underground as well as better above ground farming techniques.  We will also be able to use other power generation ideas and make them useable for small locations as well as in space.  

I have hope for the future that my children will be able to make it to the Moon.  I hope that I could go with them, but I don't know if I will be around for it.  
I am either getting used to Steve's comments or he's winning me over... I'll go with option A....  for now....

tomulcak, you missed the part where space assets have been helpful to farming, not helpful to ruthless dictatorships that starve their own people like the many governments in Africa. But then many people only see what they want to see.  

Right Steve? :)
Yes, we are winnig the war in Iraq aand yes there is no global warming.  It was warmer one thousand years ago when the Vikings were farming in Greenland than it is now.  And the people starving today are because of politicos not lack of food.  We are not now back on the moon after 35 years because of the politicos.  All they have given us is 5 dollar gas.  Vote all of Congress out in Nov. and we can start over.
Todd...somewhere on one of my various websites it says..."brightening the future...one outlook at a time"...hang in there...try option B for a while...
RE Yours Truly or Hawking as visonaries...obviously I don't believe that human expansion is my idea...I'm talking about how it plays in today's context...I don't want a guy who writes a history of time without acknowledging that it's all made up by Humans to be making up anymore of our future...time does not exist anywhere else in the universe except our gourds...viewing the vastness with time constraints is a shortcoming of Humanity...
Those who do not travel are destined to lose themselves. What? Feed the hungry? In theory - we would all do the same thing. But, in theory, we would all be communist. Some things on paper don't work out in real life now, do they? So - challenge the human spirit to overcome. Challenge the human spirit to be better. In the long run - it works out - always has - always will.

Ever notice how those against Space travel have the narrowest fields of view.
"Can we sell shuttle system to a private hands after its retirement and pay "them" to take the crew to the space station instead of Russians?"

Good as it is at other things, the shuttle is not a commercially viable vehicle. Period. No business case can be closed with it, no private operator would touch it...

Seems like the world's countries could get together and divide the moon's surface among them.  Then they sell it to fund spaceflight development. It worked for railroad development in the 19th century, why not spaceflight and moon development now.  
With the direct sun shine having no atmospheric interferance on the moon and/(but) less so on mars, we could have a Stirling Energy System type power supply to dig and refine minerals for space ship and space station construction on the moon and then on mars (by then, being farther from the sun, we will need to have found a stronger source of power).  

At that point, we will have learned how to live in space, protect ourselves from the radiation and proceed on out to a "man" made space station just beyond Pluto where there is an abundance of raw material to be captured to make larger and larger stations.  

In time, being out there and less inclined to go back to Mars, the Moon or Earth, the inhabitants would no longer consider themselves Earthlings. By not having any ties to Earth and Earth laws, advanced species such as would be out there, could send out no-return flights without inhibitions to the nearest star system.  

Because ships built in space can be larger, not having to take off and land, the amount of equipment to build newer and better (bigger?) stations and ships could be included as part of their program.

This new species will have been brought up to go exploring with the idea that they don't need to come back to see their home, as their home would be where they presently are.  These future nomads if they did come back to earth would be considered aliens.  There are people who think that is how man came to be on this planet in the beginning.  

I don't know and it is fun to speculate about such things, but to think we can travel to the next star system and come back at this point in time is pretty far fetched, but to travel out and not worry about coming back is a possibility.  If only this opportunity would have happened centuries ago so now mankind would be ready to go, I could be on "the list". Alas, my age is telling me that unless we go soon, I won't be able to see it.

(By the way, Daniel Boone never was lost when he ventured out to the unknown. If he came to a place he wasn't familiar with, he would just build a cabin and call it home.  When he explored his new domain, he often times found he wasn't too far off from some other domain he had or a place he knew about.  Hence, he was never lost, always home and was very rich land owner.)  

He would have made an excellent future space explorer.


You know I hear they're coming up with a volunteer service to see deep space for free.. IT'S CALLED LOOK UP!!  I don't need  to pay 10K to see something a fraction of its distance closer.  
Brit...love it!
Oh Brit,
That's so cute.  I just looked up.  I saw a flourescent light.  No deep space at all.  I looked up last night, saw clouds.  Looked up a few nights ago and saw stars, practically didn't even realize I was looking through all that haze.  I've been out to the deep dark parts of the desert and looked up and saw a vast blanket of stars, so many that it was hard to pick out constellations.  As I go from my office to the city outside (with clouds) to the city outside (clear) to the desert I get better and better views and can only imagine what it would look like without all the optical problems the atmosphere presents.
When some people want a really good meal they go to the local three star restaurant, others go to McDonalds.  You, obviously, are content with a Stargazer Happy Meal.  Some people have more discriminating taste.
Wait!!  I bet I can guess what you're going to say.  You're not a racist.  Good for you.
Ditto Rider, although after reading the posts it's great realizing people really do have a great deal more in common than not. (dreams or otherwise)
<b>When are they going to build a Lofstrom Loop?

This thing would seriously cut down on the cost and pollution of getting stuff into space, and it can be made with today's technology</b>
thats so cool


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