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Clinton's stock falls to new low

Posted: Wednesday, May 07, 2008 4:52 PM by Alan Boyle

NBC News' Tim Russert isn't the only one selling Hillary Clinton short today: In the wake of the North Carolina and Indiana primaries, her shares on the Iowa Electronic Markets have fallen to the lowest point ever. The market lets online investors put real money down on the candidates’ prospects, as a science experiment on the "wisdom of crowds." The shares are worth $1 each if the investor's candidate wins the nomination, but they're worthless if the candidate loses.

Today, Clinton’s shares for the Democratic nomination were trading at less than 10 cents on the IEM - and the situation was pretty much the same at the InTrade prediction market.

Looking back at the charts, it turns out that the prediction markets didn’t stray all that far from the conventional wisdom, but avoided wild swings on a week-by-week basis.

For example, Clinton's win in last month's Pennsylvania primary, coupled with Barack Obama's pastor problem, might have given the impression that the momentum was swinging her way. Those reversals had little effect on the market, however. Sure, there was a slip in Obama's value and an uptick for Clinton, but nothing like the chart-crossing game-changers seen in the early phases of the primary campaign.

Even today's sharp erosion in Clinton's share price brings the level just a few cents below where it was in early March (12.6 cents) and early April (12.4 cents). She bounced back from those lows - and there's always the chance the stock could take another upturn, despite what Tim Russert says. But few investors agreed with Clinton that her narrow Indiana win represented a "tie-breaker." In fact, the market's verdict is that Tuesday's results represented enough of a setback in her political fortunes to justify dumping her stock.

Obama's stock, meanwhile is trading around historic highs: Before today, the high-water mark was 85.9 cents on March 1, and today's prices are edging above that level. If you had bought Obama shares on Jan. 9, the day after the New Hampshire primary - when I wrote the item "Buy Obama, Sell Clinton?" - you would have more than doubled your money by now.


Iowa Electronic Markets
This chart shows how shares for the Democratic candidates have done over the
past 14 months. The blue line represents the value of Hillary Clinton's shares,
yellow is for Barack Obama, green is for John Edwards, and red is for the "rest of the field." If a candidate wins the Democratic nomination, each of his or her shares
pays $1. If he or she loses, the share is worthless. Obama's stock is highest.

What does Obama's rise and Clinton's slide portend for the bigger contest ahead, against Republican John McCain? Justin Wolfers, an economist at the University of Pennsylvania's Wharton School, notes in his Wall Street Journal column that the market for the November general election has been  stable - with the Democrats' shares bringing a higher price than the GOP shares, at 56 cents vs. 45 cents:

"As Sen. Clinton's chances of becoming the Democratic nominee plummeted, and Sen. Obama's soared, the chances of the ultimate Democrat candidate winning the general election remained unchanged. Taken together these two facts yield the interesting implication that perhaps there is not much difference in the electability of Sen. Obama and Sen. Clinton.

"Looking forward to November, an Obama-McCain race seems increasingly likely. And Sen. Obama is the early betting favorite."

Wolfers also delves into the intriguing fluctuations in prices during Tuesday night's long, drawn-out vote count - which leads me to wonder whether the election-night pundits should be reporting on the prediction markets while they wait for a winner to be announced.

Should we be hearing more about the prediction markets on the election-night broadcasts going forward - or would that merely prove that political reporting has turned into a kind of horse-race handicapping? Feel free to add your comments below.

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To Michael Ditlove,
 
  Billary has so much experience that she is being out done by a freshman Senator. That is scary. What does that say about her experience. She cannot put together a campaign without "lending " herself money. She cannot put enough people behind her to support her cause. If she has so much experience than why does she have to "misremember" and use dirty tactics to get votes. Why can't she run a clean campaign? Hillary has tried to mislead everyone, she's "Rocky" "Annie Oakley" and sings a blues of "Coal Miners" Daughter. Maybe she has several personalities and they are all fighting for acceptance. But let's be real. The Billaries game is done. "You can fool some of the people some of the time but you cannot fool all of the people all of the time." The Clinton's do not have the grace, integrity, honesty and "experience" to move this country in a new direction. Only one canidate will do that and his name is Barack Obama. Obama will not play the diry politics game, he does not have to. He is backed by supporters who are willing to finance his run for president. Barack Obama will win in November. The Clinton's need a reality check, but even then I'm not sure they would recognize it. Stupid is as Stupid does. The Billaries create their own Stupid as they go along. This may seem harsh, but it is accurate.

OBAMA 08-
Regardless if you are a Clinton supporter or not....we all have the media to blame forcing Billary on us every since her questionable Senate race in 2000.  If she was never married to a president...No one would have ever heard of Billary.  She is merely a coat tale politician that had no real experience just a last name that she married.  She had questionable practices  during her legal days working for a small lawfirm.  

Here's the bottom line.....WE ALL have contributed to her campaign whether you wanted to or not.   Who do you think pays for every trip that her husband makes on her behalf??? The US Taxpayer...yes.... The Secret Service needs to arrive before the former prez ever gets there so there all that expense that no one is talking about.  I know we will never see what the real expense is to the tax payer to support her campaign but it will be well over a million dollars.  And the longer she drags this out, she is punishing every single US taxpayer.  Even if the government bills her for all this service...do you ever think she will pay for it since all the Clintons think they deserve it.

Also,  with every one that is struggling to pay a mortgage....here's is something else to ponder.  Billary wants to help you out in some fashion...but.....and here's the kicker...The Clintons bill the US government for the expense to have the US Secret Service at their residence in NY.  And its exact amount of their monthly mortgage payment......Who's the elist now???
Amazing to me is the fact the United States has fallen so far that liberalism has a neck.  Even the republican party is left of John F Kenndy and his run for the presidency.  The darkness over America has been happening in our 'Churches' and is now being seen in the political scene. The bars are broken and the skirts are raised higher than the thighs and our shame is in the mini bathing swim wear.  Were mentally and physically exposed and it is all being played out in our political parties.
I find it interesting that everyone keeps saying it is time for Hillary to drop out. Aren't we the same democrats who, after the loss to Bush in 2000, were screaming that the popular vote should count as an indicator of who the people want to rule? Lets face it, Obama might be winning in the delegate count but Clinton is still winning in popular vote. Until such time as that is not the case, by all means let her continue her campaign. How do you tell a candidate that has the support of over half of the population to bow out?

I am a die-hard democrat and I will vote for whomever gets the democratic nomination but I feel that Hillary is the most qualified candidate.

With respect to Obamas "vision of change"... A VISION, DOES NOT AN OUTCOME MAKE.
Everyone keeps saying that Obama is the nominee, that is not the case. That decision is not made until the convention. The ultimate decision as to who gets the nomination comes down to the commitee. Their obligation is  to pick the candidate that they believe has the best chance to beat the republican counterpart.

At this point I think someone needs to come along and unify the party. I don't think, realistically, that that person is Clinton OR Obama. That is, unless, they run together on the same ticket.

As for that person to unify the party... Al? Are you up for the job?
Just a general thought about Operation Chaos.

I was first exposed to this concept in 1959-60 in Arizona.  AZ has (or at least had) a closed primary system, i.e., you could only vote in the primary election for the candidates for the party to which you were registered If registered "independent" you could not vote in either primary).

As I was turning 18, neighbors from both parties tried to determine my leanings (both parents were registered Dems.   As my leanings started to show toward Dems, the DEMS began to discuss with me the concept of "raiding".  They wanted me to register GOP and use that position to vote in the GOP primary and select EVERY candidate deemed to be the least viable to the GOP candidates.   Since I did it, I am very aware of the potential effect this raiding had on the elections.

I have maintained my nominal GOP affiliation since then albeit until Mr Clinton was elected I had never voted for the losing Presidential candidate.  I have managed to keep up that losing streak until the present.

Don't know how widespread this practice may be, but it is certainly not new.

My preference now?  Obama, then McCain.  If HRC the Dem candidate, I will not waste my time on paying any attention to the general election campaign and will vote the first GOP straight ticket of my life.

If, God forbid, it's an Obama/Clinton ticket, same result - HRC will poison the Dem ballot.

The breath of fresh air can't be had through more Bush policies, same as with Clinton.
Simply a newby who doesn't have the political debt looks like a good deal.
This is the great hope many have who are looking at the ideas of being able to adjust policies and actions into real positive change.
I doubt anyone agrees with everything each candidate says they stand for, BUT, if looked at in a strictly logical way, changes do sound like a new direction, and new deal that might really be.
Clinton promised to go to the finish. So we get to listen until a nominee is chosen...*sigh*
I note that McCain and Obama are looking at the reality of facing off and leaving Hillary out in the cold.
I can see Obama as President, however cautious most see that.
Besides all that...politics has worn out its welcome for most.      
TJ of Martinez, California, says that he finds it amazing that--in 232 years--we haven't found a better way to elect the best people. Well, to that I say, "What do you mean 'We,' Paleface?" If you can do any better and suggest a superior way, then now's the time to speak up: You have a worldwide forum at your disposal. Go for it! Let's hear your suggestions for a better way to elect the "best" person!
Talk about crossover, I see an Obama/Huck ticket.
I'm a Clinton supporter and believe she should get the nomination , if she doesn't I'm voting for McCain not the guy who talks a lot of B.S. and doesn't have the experience to lead this country , the young are easily fooled by phony speeches because they live in the dream world like obama banana , WAKE UP America it's Clinton or McCain .
Obama started out with a VERY LOW popularity among the blacks. Thanks to Mr. Black President Bill Clinton himself, Hillary started out with the vast majority of black voters, who were inevitably driven away by Bill's racist comments. Obama's following sprang up from the young and educated, the college kids who are not yet disparaged by the system, the people who believe that our government does not have to be lead by a cynical nutjob who's been destroyed by years of their job, formed into a ruthless liar with a personal vendetta against America itself.

I will leave you with one parting thought. If you are a Democrat, if you believe in liberal views, social or fiscal, and you choose to vote McCain because the candidate you wanted does not get the nomination, you should be ASHAMED. You are a traitor to your party, to your values, and to everything you ever thought you stood for. That you would be so bitter as to turn your back on what you believe in purely out of SPITE, it breaks the mind to think about.
"Michael Ditlove" I understand your concerns but given the people we have left that are running for Office I prefer Obama light years ahead of Clinton or McCain. McCain is just so out of touch and Clinton is just way too slick. In fact people tend to forget that Bill Clinton was called "slick Willy" while he was still President. Why? Simple. Those two could break or bend the laws better than anyone in DC and get away with it because they know the law so well.

Both Clintons are lawyers so your arguments about lawyers applauding Obama or whatever holds no water.In fact Bill Clinton was disbarred for 5 years by the Arkansas Bar Association as well as disbarred from practicing before the Supreme Court. Sure it was a Republican led scandal, but as slick as he was he still got caught.

As far as intelligence goes lets look at the one thing that tells us who is the most intelligent candidate. The Primaries. Not one of the candidates left has run anything larger than a GMC Suburban, and Hillary hasn't even driven one of those in over 15 years. The only thing we have left to guage who might be the better candidate is how they run their campaigns.

Both McCain and Hillary have gone broke. Hillary has gone broke twice now. McCain has righted his ship and made a tremendous comback. ( Of course there is still the outstanding question about a shady bank loan he took out ) Only Obama has managed his campaign properly and profitably.

Clinton started out with every advantage a candidate can dream of to win. Her husband was the President. She went to all the right schools. They have 109 million bucks in the bank. All the superdelegates either liked them or feared them. She is the first woman to seriously contend for the oval office so she had the support of women everywhere. She had a political infrastructure that was 30 years strong. ALL THAT AND SHE STILL LOST!!!!! Obama on the other hand is this mixed race kid raised by a single parent that worked his way up the hard way. All that against him and HE BEAT THE MOST POWERFUL MACHINE IN THE DEMOCRATIC PARTY HANDS DOWN!!!!

Why? Simple. Hillary was arrogant plain and simple. She and Mark Penn assumed she was a shoe in and didn't plan for anything past February. She didn't even bother to read the party rules that stated it was all about winning delegates, so she skipped over all the small states becase she just knew that there was no way she could lose. She was wrong.

Obama on the other hand read the rule book, hired a team and made them read the rule book and started picking up delegates from DAY ONE. He got on the internet and raised more money than any candidate, black or white, in American history. So again, your argument about Obama not being intelligent is weaker than a wet paper bag.

Before one makes an argument, make sure the argument is intelligent. You have the entire internet at your  disposal to do research. Use it and educate yourself and stop making stupid rants online.
I wish Senator Clinton would bow out; the continued contest is an asset only to the Republican Party--as would be her nomination. If experience is her strength, then McCain has her in spades. And since when is being First Lady considered political experience? Consider too the problem Bill Clinton will pose to a potential Vice President? Or will he automatically be hers? Alas, I believe she is driven by greed and ambition; consider the effect of her Senatorial campaign and fundraising on poor Al Gore. Integrity is the most important factor in the Presidency and she hasn't got it. (And this isn't about her being a woman; so am I and I won't vote on the basis of gender any more than I will on race.) Barack Obama's stock is high with me and for the first time I don't feel like I'm voting for the lesser of two evils and that makes a nice change.
If you have called yourself a Democrat, but now say that you would either stay home or (even worse) vote for McBush in November if your candidate doesn't win the nomination, then you are a "turncoat". Modern definition: "traitor".

And you will deserve what you get for the next four years. I just wish you didn't have the power to subject me and my family to your just punishment.
What if Mrs Clinton is just Hillary Diane Rodham, all by herself? Does she carry any worth? Would you still vote for Obama or McCain?
Billary has no chance of winning and should just bow out now. Save face,especially looking like that.
It will be McCain v. Obama. Electoral College Result: McCain, 281; Obama, 257
To Nancy from Georgia,

I understand your young frustrations over many of us "60 and older crowd" and its (sometimes) ideological inflexibility. But, take heart Nancy, there are more and more exceptions and I and my wife with our average age of 71 are two of them. We started out supporting Hillary. We caucused for her in Nevada. We even waited on long lines and got to shake hands and got pix with both Hillary and Mr. Hillary. But the more we saw of this sad hanger-on who may even be willing to trash the Dems if she can't win - the more we swung to Obama. We now support him monetarily and pray that he might win so that we can reject the "old days."
By the bye . . . I am a retired Pastor from one of the largest mainline Protestant denominations. And I subscribe to Rolling Stone and have a tattoo and wear my own design of earring. BTW. I'm straight - but - accepting.
Thank you and so many other chronologically younger voters who have been so energized by Senator Obama's message of hopeful change. Remember it IS possible to be young at heart. Please, to you all, take that energy to the polling booth.
Blessings -
NEWS FLASH: OBAMA IS THE WEAKER CANDIDATE NOT HILLARY. THE GENERAL ELECTION WILL SHOW THAT!
To Lauren Davis -- I'm confused as to why you think Clinton is winning in the popular vote? Obama surpassed Clinton in the popular vote total a long time ago and is still leading with a sizeable margin...


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