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The science of cyclones

Posted: Tuesday, May 06, 2008 7:51 PM by Alan Boyle

The catastrophic cyclone that hit Myanmar hints at the shape of things to come in a warming world — but probably not for the reason you think. Chris Mooney, the author of "Storm World," argues that the tragedy says more about the sad state of infrastructure in the developing world than it does about the raw impact of climate change. However, shifts in climate will likely accentuate that global rich-vs.-poor split.

Mooney has been focusing on the intersection of science and politics for years - in his Weblog, aptly titled "The Intersection," as well as in his first book, "The Republican War on Science."

"Storm World: Hurricanes, Politics and the Battle Over Global Warming" traces more than a century of often-sharp disputes over climate science. Mooney, who grew up in New Orleans, was moved to delve deeply into the subject by Hurricane Katrina, one of the most politically charged storms in U.S. history.   

But Mooney's interest in the science of storms isn't confined to U.S. borders. Long before this month's tragedy, he started paying close attention to the cyclones and typhoons that sweep through the Pacific and Indian Oceans, as well as the hurricanes in the Atlantic. All three of those terms refer to tropical cyclones, with geography serving as the only distinction.

Typically, every twist and turn of the Atlantic storms is documented for anxious Americans. In contrast, the Pacific and Indian Ocean storms don't draw much attention here unless they turn truly catastrophic, as Cyclone Sidr did last year and Cyclone Nargis did this month.

In an essay for Science Progress, published today, Mooney says the winds weren't the only reason why Sidr and Nargis were so devastating:

"Although the Yucatan and Central America got smacked by back-to-back Category 5 storms last year - Hurricanes Dean and Felix were both far more powerful, meteorologically, than Cyclones Sidr and Nargis - the combined death toll was only 162. That's because nations like Mexico, Nicaragua and Honduras warned their populations and, in some cases, evacuated people in vulnerable areas. It's already painfully obvious that Myanmar's military junta did nothing of the kind."

In a telephone interview, Mooney told me that Cyclone Nargis could well have political implications for the junta - with the caveat that he's a science journalist, not an expert on Asian diplomacy.

"These are major events on the world stage," he said. "If you even look at Katrina and how unprepared George W. Bush looked and how much that hurt him politically, it's sort of a similar analogy."

Mooney said an even bigger issue faces not only Myanmar, but Bangladesh and other vulnerable countries in the cyclone zone: "There's a huge socioeconomic disparity, in terms of levels of preparedness, and in terms of levels of damage, and especially in terms of numbers killed by cyclones in the world. And that's something we've got to address."

Here are additional excerpts from today's Q&A on Cyclone Nargis and its implications. You can also hear the whole interview as an MP3 audio file suitable for downloading or online listening.

Q: Is this another sign that the global warming nightmare is coming upon us?

Mooney: I'd be careful about saying that. There's good evidence that global warming should affect tropical cyclones ... in some way and probably make them stronger on average. But when you get a catastrophe like this, global warming isn't the direct cause, and it really doesn't explain why there's been so much suffering.

You really have to look at other factors in order to figure out why a storm can hit the United States and only a couple die, and a storm can hit Myanmar and tens of thousands of people die. That has much more to do with socioeconomic conditions, forecasting systems, lack of evacuation, lack of communication to the populace, and all these other things.


NASA / MODIS
These images show views of the coast of
Myanmar captured by NASA's Terra satellite
before and after Cyclone Nargis hit. The top
image is from April 15, and the bottom image
shows extensive flooding on May 5. Click on the
image for a larger version.

Q: Is this another case of a perfect storm, where, as in Katrina, it happened to hit just wrong and was something that played on all the vulnerabilities that that area faced?

A: It's certainly looking like that. You had something with Nargis that you didn't have with Katrina. Katrina, we saw it coming days in advance. We saw a Category 5, and we were just sitting there waiting. Well, Nargis rapidly intensified at the last minute. It had been a fairly weak storm, and then it just started exploding even as it headed toward the coastline. So people didn't even know there was a bad storm coming until maybe just 24 or 48 hours out. And it kept getting worse and worse and worse, and then it hit a vulnerable place.

Q: But you had written about Nargis, gosh, more than a week in advance and indicated that this would be a pretty bad storm.

A: Yeah, I blogged about it. I wrote about it over at the Daily Green. I track cyclones, so whenever I see something developing in the Bay of Bengal, and I see the ocean temperatures are really warm ... you just know that it can't be good. I didn't know how strong the storm was going to get, but I knew that the ocean temperatures were warm and I knew that it was already completely formed - and it had this ocean ready to pounce and ready to draw energy from. If you look at the Bay of Bengal, it sucked a couple of degrees Celsius out of the ocean and flung that at the coastline.

Q: So I guess the question would be, if you could figure this out just looking at the satellite imagery, why couldn't the authorities there figure it out? Or does it point to something about the regime in Myanmar that's screwed up?

A: I think it's a political thing, and I think it's a socioeconomic thing. Myself and hurricane forecasters who do this at the Joint Typhoon Warning Center could obviously look at satellite pictures and do a lot of other things, and they did. The Indian Meteorological [Department] was tracking the storm. I think that forecasting is not nearly as good in the Bay of Bengal region as it is for the United States and the Atlantic region. But it does exist.

Nevertheless, if people aren't warned, if people aren't informed about what's coming, they don't have access to computers necessarily to do the kind of thing I'm doing. If they're living in flimsy structures, if they're living near coastlines and they aren't evacuated, you can get massive casualties. And that's what we're seeing.

Q: Even though this really says more about the state of international development than it does about global climate change, I suppose you could argue that this is a preview of the sorts of dislocations that could come with climate change or stronger storms. You've got a collision of the low level of infrastructure in some of these low-lying areas with the potential for stronger storms or changes in weather patterns that may stress populations that haven't faced that sort of stress.

A: Absolutely. We don't know: Global warming might affect cyclones on a regional level, and so you might get certain hotspot areas where you get a lot more of them. That might be, say, the Arabian Sea or the Bay of Bengal. It's been very busy there lately. This is the third Category 4 or 5 [storm] in the space of a year in the north Indian Ocean, which encompasses the Arabian Sea and the Bay of Bengal. So that's troubling.


Gail Albert Halaban
Chris Mooney focuses on climate in "Storm World."

And even if climate change doesn't end up having a large dramatic effect on cyclonic storms, which we're still trying to study and figure out, there's just no doubt that it's going to raise sea level.  These are already low-lying places with a lot of people living there. If the ocean starts coming toward them, even in a slow way, that's going to be very destabilizing. And if they then get a storm with a higher ocean, you compound the risk.

Q: Since you came out with your book ... has there been new information that's come to light that has led you to see a different perspective? What's the latest on the intersection between climate science and the way that society works?

A: Well, the good news scientifically is that this is a growth area, and a lot of researchers have now dived into the field and they're doing a lot of studies. The bad news is that makes it probably murkier than ever. .... More science doesn't necessarily generate clear answers immediately. Scientists are starting to study all kinds of things, like what if storms get more intense but their numbers decrease? Is that bad, or good, or does it wash out on balance? That might be one of the possibilities now. So it's not as clear-cut as anyone might have said immediately after Katrina.

Listen to the full interview, including a discussion of a previous world-changing storm, by clicking on this link to the MP3 audio (9 MB). And tell us whether or not you want more Cosmic Loggery via audio. If you're into that sort of thing, you might enjoy this Cosmic Log pilot podcast about the search for extraterrestrial intelligence. By the way, if you want to "reimagine" the Cosmic Log theme on your own thereminondes Martenot or musical saw, feel free to do so, and send me a copy.

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Cyclone Nargis has really shown how inept and incompetent the Burmese military government is when it comes to caring for and helping the Burmese people after this storm hit.  I don't even recognize the name "Myanmar"; I've known this country to be named BURMA since I was in grade school.  It looks apparent to me that the military government only thinks of themselves and don't even care about the lives of the people that have been hit so hard.  The devastation that Nargis left behind is just horrible, probably on the same level as the Dec., 2004 tsunami.  The other concern is that when the international aid does start to come in, I'm afraid that the military government will take that over and keep it all for themselves, leaving the homeless, starving Burmese people without anything to survive with.  That is how shallow, callous, inhumane, insensitive, shelfish, inept, incompetent, and murderous this government is towards the people.  Look at what they did after the protests for democracy earlier this year!  Can anyone from the US, Europe, Australia, and some of the more democratic Asian countries trust them with anything?  I think not!  I feel that this will be a good time as any to get this military government out of power and begin to bring in a leader that will help the people of Burma, and bring in the democracy that will mean freedom and stability for Burma.  Also, there needs to be a total upgrade in the cyclone/hurricane warning systems in that area on the same level as the bouy warning systems that were installed in the Indian Ocean after the aftermath of the 2004 tsunami.  Bangladesh and a large part of the east coast of India are also susceptable to these major cyclones in the cat 3-5 range because of the low lying deltas and coastlines in that area.  Plus, Nargis was an early preseason cyclone since the hurricane season in that area usually starts in May and runs thru November.  Based from what I just seen and read so far, it looks like that part of the hurricane belt will be seeing a very active cyclone season this year.  Malaysia, southern Thailand, Indonesia, and Singapore are also in the paths of these cyclones, and if they have learned anything from Nargis, it's to get their people ready to evacuate and get prepared for these storms before they hit.  Saving lives of people should be priority no. 1 for these countries that are in that zone.  Buildings can be rebuilt, other property can be bought, but people's lives cannot be replaced.  That's where the Burmese military government is wrong and sadly lacking in compassion!  Loosing nearly 40,000 people from this cat 4 storm should've better be a huge wake up call for them right now!  I hope and pray that the Burmese people will begin to rise up and start forcing this military government out of power.  This government has been in power way too long and have lost their way!  People of Burma need to start being empowered and say NO to this government's brutality and hostility towards them!  Nargis has shown the true colors of this Burmese government!!
Chari Mercier  :(
St. Pete, FL
PS:  I live in hurricane territory--Florida!  So, hurricanes, typhoons, and cyclones mean the same thing to me.  They form and develop in the same way whether they are in the Atlantic, Pacific, or Indian Oceans!  
What's most sad is that this won't be the last time that this occurs.  When so many of these killer storms are hitting the same region over and over again, why is the international community sending in aid AFTER they hit?  I mean, there is outrage over genocide in Darfur or other regions of the world, but doesn't the government in this region's LACK of action amount to about the same thing, or at least the same results?
I live on the Mississippi Gulf Coast and we too were devastated by Hurricane Katrina. I take umbrage with the authors blame on President Bush for failure after the storm. Louisiana's problem post storm had more to do with an incompetent Governor and Legislature than the President, a lot more, Not to mention the mentality of New Orleanians. Mississippi is recovering much faster. Mostly due to a very proactive Governor and Legislature and the "can do" attitude of our citizens.
Global Warming as presented by Al Gore and the left is a scam. Mean surface temperatures has been statistically flat for a decade, a recent NASA study shows that mean ocean temperatures has cooled since 2003.
how does the cyclone start?, and do you have to live around a lot of water for it to happen?
Of course it's global warming. I stubbed my toe yesterday, and I said the same thing.
Bob Burk wrote: "a recent NASA study shows that mean ocean temperatures has cooled since 2003."

I googled for "NASA ocean temperature study" and could not find this study. Many other NASA studies strongly confirm global warming, such as http://www.giss.nasa.gov/research/news/20060925/ and http://www.nasa.gov/topics/earth/features/greenland_temps.html . Please provide a URL for the study you are referencing.
Almost 2000 people died as a result of Katrina.  Not a "couple."

"You really have to look at other factors in order to figure out why a storm can hit the United States and only a couple die, and a storm can hit Myanmar and tens of thousands of people die."
What does this cyclone that hit Myanmar have to do with Pres Bush or Republicans?  Stick to the story here.  Unlike Myanmar, our country is designed to allow for local governments to make decisions for themselves, including preparedness and emergency response plans.  Why doesn't your article mention anything about the Democratic Mayor or Govenor or that other Democrat who used emergency resources to rescue his belongings from his house?  Don't use the deaths of 10,000 plus people to push your political views.
I'm so tired of this global warming stuff! If we were in an ice age just 10,000 years ago, wouldn't that mean the planet has been warming since them?  And more importantly, if the plant has ice ages every so often, would that further prove that the climate is either warming or cooling?  Probably has more to do with volcanic activity, the sun, or even the passing of a comet every ten or twenty thousand years, than SUVs.
Just before the start of the last mini Ice age people blamed the weather on global cooling!
No Proof. There is no proof to back up global warming as the cause for these events. This is not a movie people. Science works on evidence. So far, I haven't even seen data indicating a correlation, let alone direct evidence !
Did you not read the article? The guy isn't blaming global warming, he is saying it has more to do with socio-economic factors.
Please, subject at hand. Thanks.
What is really sad about this is that Global Warming (now called Climate Change - in case the world cools) is now fairly well disproved and discounted by true climatologists.  Even the virtual modelers who originally came up with alarming "warming trends" admit their models are not accurate and do not reflect the true state of affairs.  Any journalist worth their salt would research and realize this - yet MSNBC continues to peddle this farce.  
The tendency to attribute anything bad that happens on the planet (including reduced revenue from motion pictures - really) on global warming risks trivializing real climate issues. Such as whether global warming is really the problem were are being "scared" with, or if there is actually a man-made cause. See amoreconvenienttruth.com
Bob, is this what you were referring to?
http://www.jpl.nasa.gov/news/news.cfm?release=2006-112
Mathematical formulas exist to convert degrees centigrade and ocean surface area, to calories, then to horsepower and watts. It's just math. :)

However, research and development of mechanical apparati (apparatuses?) to convert this power into usable energy has been systematically squished and marginalized over decades by large corporate and government lobbies interested in maintaining the status quo.

Imagine all that power harnessed! What could that do for the energy crisis???

Only now with gas at $4/gal are US people getting serious about alternative energy. Joe Schmoe is going to take the bus, and not fill his tank once a week. Hit em in the pocket book! And we complain about our gas prices, when the Europeans have been paying this rate for years? *shakes head*

The solution to both the global warming problem and the energy crisis is staring us right in the face, and it's not just the burmese government who are indolent and recalcitrant.

Shame on them though for not preparing their populace. Now is not the time for sanctions though...
Are you joking...These scientist are all fakes..what have you done in 100 years to predict any disaster...you guys failed in psunami, katrina...i did not even hear about Nargis untill people died in 1000's..now blame the burmese government...

You guys are eating tax payers money..why can't you come up with some solid solution than predicting half ways when the storm kills everyone.

You guys are not worth calling scientist..since these prediction thing started..more people have died cos the storms have become more strounger and you guys are always behind these things...

Please don't bother us with ur predictions..it ain;t worth it....people are going to die anyways..

The thing will get worse..but it is something spirtitual that you guys will never understand..you will only get to study the after effects of what happens in sprititual world.

"Global Warming as presented by Al Gore and the left is a scam. " -Bob Burk

The fact that you label it a scam in the first place reveals your bias. Have you watched Al Gore's presentation? CO2 levels rise, and the temperature rises. Simple as that. And we are now at a time when the CO2 levels have never been higher globally. Just like no one can predict what a cyclone or tornado will do or go, no one will accurately predict what will happen. They can only guess. And the VAST majority of scientific minds monitoring the situation agree that climate change will become a factor in many populations lives. And the effects will be that much more intense as a direct result of CO2 released by human activity.

The idea that APATHY is a more suitable alternative to ACTION and CONSERVATION is not something that should be taught to our children.
How does GW Bush take the fall for Katrina preparadness?  Feds can't bail everybody out of their own lethargy.  The probable effect of a large hurricane on New Orleans was known for years.  Seems to me the Governer and Mayor on site are first to be blamed. For instance, scores of parked and abondened city busses while hundreds were stranded in town.  I'm no Bush fan, but this sounds like crap from the left.  Let's keep the real heat on GW, not make up excuses for others.
It has been cooling for the last 10 years with a precipitous temperature drop in the last 16 months.  The 1930's were the warmest period.  But, pay no attention to the man behind the curtain, says the Wizard of Warming.
As the author pointed out in the answer to the first question, the destruction that occurred had more to do with political and socioeconomic problems than with global warming. Global warming is a serious problem, but the unprepared (or uninterested) state of the Myanmar government is the true culprit in this catastrophe.
The discussion in this blog should be about what do we do know, instead of debating whether or not global warming is the true cause. So what if it is? Can we not figure out some way to solve global warming? Can we not figure out some way to solve insufficient infastructure? In the past 5 years (and I don't know the exact number) but hundreds of thousands of deaths have occurred from natural disasters, deaths that could have been prevented. If we as a global community would spend more time solving our global problems than debating whether or not it is a problem to begin with, just like in this blog, then imagine the possibilities!
And just so I don't sound like some other hopeless spokesman for peaceful coexistence. Why doesn’t the UN take up a collection from all nations for a global weather monitoring system? One could think that with all the satellites orbiting the world (last count something like 900) we could create some kind of internet site with continuous weather feeds and alerts. Or we could just continue to debate whether or not something like this might actually happen again.
With the changes occuring, it well may become necessary for people to only live many miles inland (how far in could be determined by scientists).  Every huge catastrophe has happened on coastlines.  Perhaps nature is telling us to not live right in these very vulnerable areas.  A hardship,yes, but no lives would be lost when these storms hit.
First of all,the coastal regions are the only feasible locations for alot of industry as well as manufacturing. Secondly, a large portion of our population live and work in these regions. Until science is able to have a consistant projection for what is going to occur in the future, a massive relocation is not something that should be considered.
well, the polar and antarctic ice caps melt-that is why ocean temperature drops. But ocean level increases and so flood danger and so other disasters.
Make your own experiment: put termometer in the glass of water and add ice.
There are many factors involved, from global warming to wind directions and the resulting ocean temperatures that precipitate atmospheric build up conducive to natural disasters awaiting to stike the most vulnerable terrains. Social economic conditions, infrastructures and preparedness by the relevant agencies and government contribute only to accentuate or lessen the impact. There is no point finger pointing. When a disaster of this magnitute or scale strikes lets just do whatever we could to alleviate the suffering and or help those people in the country and their government in whatever possible way now and possibly in preventing or 'containing' it in future. There is a proper time for politics but certainly concerted prayers and relief efforts for those adversely affected by the tragedy is more appreciated now.
Mikey up there in Washington, while I do agree with some of what you said, my only response is this:

This is the United States and I personally don't care what Europeans are, or have been, paying for gas :)
We cannot prevent natural disaster from harming us but we can definitely do something to minimize the damage. In this case of Cyclone Nargis, the death toll of Burmese people is rising because the military junta of Burma is utterly incompetent and selfish. Who in the world needs urging to accept help from people who want to help? Burmese military government. How ridiculous is it.

Stupidly Selfish Burmese Junta – Would you rather stand back and watch your people die than accept help from UN, US, and other countries who offer to help you out of their compassion? Your incompetence and selfishness are beyond belief.

Chari Mercier of St. Petersburg, FL posted a very perceptive comment on May 6, 2008 11:12 PM. I commend Chari for his/her ability to see through the surface and assess what really is causing the trouble for Burmese people. How does the military junta stay in power for this long? They kill or imprison everyone who opposes them. Solution? Send in someone like John Rambo or Gabriel Shear portrayed by John Travolta in Swordfish to help people of Burma overthrow their murderous government. You have to fight fire with fire sometimes. Aung San Suu Kyi has tried peace method and it did not work.

Instead of donating anything that would end up in the corrupted junta, I would rather donate to an organization or someone that would help get rid of the junta for good.
Political incompetence remains the primary cause of loss of life in these events; even in the tradgey of the Galvenston Hurricane (US Metrological Service failed to pass on warnings from Cuba), bad government will always a larger factor than 'global warming' or any other excuse made up to explain away and shift reponsiblity - than the acutal weather event.

We should wait 100 years - before jumping on the 'global warming' or 'global cooling' or any other climate shift excuse - and look seriously at the calibre of governments in these tragically affected areas.

I am insulted that Our President is catagorized as unprepared in the disaster of Katrina. If you will check, as I'm sure you haven't, Pres. Bush called on the Gov of Louisiana and the Mayor of New Orleans to evacuate BEFORE thet  hurricane hit. Naigan was the one who finally said OK, we'll mandatory evacuate, but we wont really make you leave. The City and State had resourses to move people who wanted to go. They just never did. AND if they had called on the Gov't BEFORE the storm to help evacuate does any one believe that it wouldn't have been tried??? My stomach sank when we saw the pictures of school busses sitting under water while people were on their rooftops waiting... How can anyone with good reason believe that the city did enough to help themselves. No one is ever prepared for such a disaster, and pray that we have as a nation learned from this to try to help ourselves some. Protest the inactivity from your precinct on up to the President, but take a good look at your own actions. You don't have to be rich to make yourself heard, and you don't have to be well educated. Just do something...
Price of illegal Drugs will go up in the US as this is one of the most prevalent areas for Drug smuggling in the world.  Be prepared for a crime wave as the addicts will be looking to increase their funds to purchase.

Everyone should read the book, "Who moved my cheese?" by Spenser Johnson.  There are various types of people in the world.  People who feed at the pile until it is gone and then wonder "Who Moved my Cheese."; people that will strike out and find alternative sources of food; and those that copy those that find the new sources as they are smart enough to know something is wrong with staying at the pile, but not smart enough to figure out an alternative themselves.  
So the people of the Earth in these areas that are prone to storms are no different.  New Orleans being no different from Myanmar.  There are people (Mayor and Governor included) who woke up one day and said, "Who moved New Orleans?  It must have been George Bush's fault. We better take away that old lady's gun.  She shouldn't be defending herself.  Oh, what do you mean there aren't any more police on duty?  Where'd they go?  Oh well, is Bourbon street open?"
I apologise for not reading your book, I am sure you have a good deal of peer reviewed facts to back up your global warming conclusions.  I actually quit reading many of these books back in the early '70s when the coing ice age predictions were all the rage (GB under a glacier by 2010 ...).  I think this was really forecast back in 2006 when I was in th erice business.  Milo Hamilton was telling the trade that $30/cwt rice was coming due to the ongoing strength of the La Nina, and he didn't even write a book to figure that out.  As o New Orleans ... I knew it was underwater (at leas the sea level) in 1980 living in Houston.  Bush had nothingto dowith that diaster coming, better look at the mayor.
Lets get real! Remember the earth is more water than land mass.  Ice or not, it is still more water than land mass.  Gravity and climate is aways going to be a factor where ever we live. Hurricanes, cyclones, tornadoes, thunder storms, heavy rain, snow in the mountains, earthquakes, volcano, droughts and multiple acre fires are becoming to big physically and financially. Pointing fingers, blaming governments in near and far countries are "not" going to stop these types of storms from forming.  I advise everyone to keep faith, aways be prepared for the unexpected, survive, and pray for the world. Just my opinion.
Um...this is a "Science" blog correct? I am confused, I started to read this artical because I was not aware that a cyclone hit Burma on the 5th. I picked an interactive medium to try to find the facts not spin. oopse silly me.
What I have got out of this blog so far: An "ignorant" military has murdered 10,000+ people with a natural disaster... some how Bush is involved...Science and technology never came of anything... Jesus has declared a party...the  goober and mayor of New Orelans planned a pool party and did not invite Bush and last but not least... People are really pissed off that other people are recycling their garbage and riding the bus because aparently their not spending as much on gas. Is this correct?

Um...ok, So... 10,000+ died in a storm surge??? Can the U.N. place more storm trackers and evacuation sirens, or is it a political: your beach, your problem?
Message to Seagull in San Francisco: Your little experiment will also show that the water level in the glass will not increase as the ice cube melts.
For you naysayers who think global warming is a scam, try a little rational thought, evidence based reasoning and read the latest report (available on line at (http://www.ipcc.ch/ipccreports/ar4-syr.htm) of the International Panel on Climate Change.  This panel, consisting of hundreds of experts from dozens of countries around the world have taken into account all the causes of climate change.  They are the ones who are studying variations in solar output, the influence of volcanic eruptions, methane clathrates in the ocean floor regions, methane production in cows and permafrost, variations in the earth's orbit, plate tectonics, tree rings, ice core analysis, and sediment in the ocean floor.  C02 levels are increasing.  Don't try to convince me that each and every one of these experts has his own agenda.  That's nonsense.  There is an agreement that not only are these warming events happening, they are happening faster than predictions.  Study their conclusions and ask yourself this - who are the naysayers?  Who is funding these writers?  How many of these people are considered experts on climate?  How many of them have their work peer reviewed and published in main stream science magazines, articles, etc?  The reason they publish their junk in little heard of places, is because their hypotheses are not supported by science, and reputable editors won't publish their invalid conclusions.  It is the same logic that the editors of the New England Journal of Medicine don't publish crap on faith healers.  This country has risen to greatness partly because of its science and technology.  Let's keep supporting real science and stop tolerating pseudo science whether it be channelers, palm readers or astrologers!
    Jim Hopkins
"Every huge catastrophe has happened on coastlines. " - M. Gilpin


That is complete and utter nonsense.  Do you happen to forget the Oklahoma Tornado outbreak of 99? or any of the suicidally immense outbreaks since? In all cases, we were lucky that most of them did NOT hit huge population centers, and on those that did, were minor. Huge catastrophe's can happen in the interiors as well.  

In this particular case, it was horrific, as Katrina was, because the Cyclone hit a Delta Basin, which by nature are low laying, but fertile grounds for farming and other uses.   Sociologically, humanity has always gravitated to live closer to bodies of water.   Most of the Major cities in the world rest along rivers or lakes.  So, sociologically speaking, it's understandable to find a large human mass living in areas prone to flooding like river deltas.

In all seriousness, Katrina was a fluke.  What happened shouldn't have happened, but it could, and WOULD have been worse, had our government taken the same steps in PREPARATION as what the Burmese government is.

Truely, there is no comparison.  There was a large loss of life due to the inactivity PRIOR to the disaster, where as here, the worst damage to the people affected was due to inactivity AFTER.  

No where in any of the facts of either cyclone does the term Global Warming pop up, so please drop that subject.  The only thing that GW had to do with it was increase the likelihood of such an event occurring.  It would have happened sooner or later anyways.
Thank God for Jim Hopkins! He had done what most people do not do. He is backing up is option with facts. Not all of us have the time or brains to provide recourses to prove our point. I'm one of those people. Don't always believe what you hear from the media. With the internet we can get FACT about almost anything, as long as if we look in the right place. All the bloggers who don't believe that global warming is happening, need to go to the link Jim provide so you will know the truth.


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