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A plug for your future car

Posted: Monday, April 21, 2008 10:01 AM by Alan Boyle


Aptera / Auto X Prize
Click for slide show: Nine ideas for future cars.

The "Car Talk" radio guys go on a joke-filled quest to find the perfect car of the future in a TV show premiering on Earth Day. And the punch line is that the technology they're looking for is already available - for a price, that is.

"Car of the Future," airing Tuesday as part of PBS' "Nova" documentary series, marks the prime-time television debut of Tom and Ray Magliozzi, a.k.a. Click and Clack, the Tappet Brothers.

The brothers have made a name for themselves with a newspaper column and call-in radio show that blends folksy advice on auto maintenance with even folksier repartee and punnery. (For example, their credits list the accounts payable administrator as "Imelda Czechs" ... get it?)

That mix of the serious and the silly carries over to the TV show. Tom and Ray set the scene in their garage in Cambridge, Mass., where Tom's 1952 MG roadster just refuses to turn over.

"It sounds like a sick cow," Ray says.


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A Mazda concept car goes on display at the Detroit
Auto Show, in a scene from "Car of the Future."

So the brothers hit the road, looking for an up-to-date replacement. And we're not talking about just going down the street to the local car dealership: Tom and Ray check out the glitzy cars on display (and the glitzy showgirls displaying them) at the Detroit Auto Show.

"I thought you were interested in these models," Ray says.

"I am," Tom answers.

"I meant the cars," Ray quips.

They're less impressed by some of the high-powered, gas-gobbling vehicles at the show. "Who the hell needs 500 horsepower!?" Tom exclaims.

That sparks a tale that highlights past, present and future automotive technologies:

  • Is there a better way? Although federal regulations led to an increase in average gas mileage from 1975 to 1987, the average actually slipped downward after that time, due to the popularity of bigger, more powerful cars. Today, high gas prices, concerns about carbon emissions and the need for greater energy independence are generating fresh interest in more efficient vehicles (and a fresh upturn in mileage averages).

  • Is hydrogen the answer? The Magliozzi brothers travel to Iceland, where geothermal and hydro power are harnessed to produce electricity, which in turn is used to produce hydrogen for a fleet of experimental buses. The geopower/electricity/hydrogen scheme could eventually fuel all of Iceland's cars - but experts figure it will take 50 years to make the transition. Will hydrogen ever work for the United States and China? We'll see. 

  • What about ethanol? Yes, some of our energy needs can be met by ethanol, an alcohol replacement for gasoline. Currently, corn provides most of the raw material for U.S. producers, but that sets up a food-vs.-fuel problem. Tom and Ray gab with researcher Lee Lynd at Mascoma Corp., which is genetically engineering microbes to produce ethanol efficiently from cellulose rather than corn sugar. 

  • How about lighter, more efficient cars? Less than 1 percent of the energy contained in a car's gas tank actually goes to move the driver down the road. The other 99 percent is either lost through inefficiencies or ends up moving the car surrounding the driver. Tom and Ray learn about efforts to make internal combustion more efficient (at the Massachusetts Institute of Technology, their alma mater) and to make ultralight, ultrastrong car bodies out of carbon composites (for the Rocky Mountain Institute's Hypercar project in Colorado).

  • Will electric hybrids save the day? Gas-electric hybrids like the Toyota Prius are already making a difference: Although they're more expensive to produce, they consume 30 percent less energy than gasoline-only cars and emit 30 percent less carbon. Tom and Ray take a test drive with Andy Frank, a researcher at the University of California at Davis who has pioneered plug-in electric hybrids.

Plug-in hybrid electric vehicles have large banks of batteries that can be charged up overnight, meaning that the cars can go 40 to 60 miles before the gas-fueled engine kicks in. Frank figures that range would account for 90 percent of a typical driver's mileage. Some hybrids already have been converted to plug-in power, and Chevrolet's Volt plug-in should be ready for prime time by the end of 2010.

At America's current energy rates, running a plug-in hybrid is only one-fourth as costly as running a gasoline-only car, Frank says. He adds that the full benefit of plug-ins will be felt when the electricity comes from renewable sources such as wind turbines or roof-mounted solar cells.

"I think one of the things that this kind of car motivates is the possibility of personal wind and personal solar," Frank tells the "Car Talk" duo.

"My brother's been responsible for a lot of personal wind," Ray Magliozzi jokes.

By the end of the program, Tom is clearly sold. (On plug-ins, that is, not on making wind.) He's back at the garage, contemplating the next step.

"I've seen a lot of very interesting technology, and I know what I want," he says as he looks at his beloved MG. "I want to turn that into a plug-in hybrid."

And now ... the rest of the story
That may be the end of the documentary, but it's not necessarily the end for Tom's MG. In an interview last week, Frank told me it's technically possible to make Tom's dream come true.

"My message, fundamentally, is that the plug-in hybrid is something you can build right now," he said.

As an experiment, he has already taken a GM EV1 all-electric car (the car that was supposedly "killed" on the commercial market a decade ago) and converted it to a plug-in hybrid with a smaller electric motor and a 2-cylinder gasoline engine - all in the same space.

"The hybrid weighed 200 pounds less than the electric vehicle," Frank said. He said the juiced-up EV1 was so efficient that even when the car was running on gasoline power, it got 80 miles per gallon.

He told me he has converted nine cars to plug-in power in the course of his quarter-century of automotive research: Rather than being more complex, the plug-ins are simpler, in part because of UC-Davis' patented transmission system. "All of our cars have far fewer parts than a conventional car," Frank said.

Frank said he enjoyed hanging out with the Magliozzi brothers while "Car of the Future" was being shot - and so he's willing to offer Tom a dream of a plug-in deal for the mere sum of, say, $40,000 to $50,000.

"We'll be happy to convert that MG for them," he told me. "It'd be fun."

If you miss Tuesday's show, or if you don't get PBS in your corner of planet Earth, you can watch "Car of the Future" online starting Wednesday. For more about Click and Clack and future cars, check out Newsweek's Q&A with the Magliozzi brothers. And in case you missed it, here a report on the Progressive Automotive X Prize, which is offering $10 million in prizes for super-efficient, eco-friendly vehicles.

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hey, I just realized that Gaia Two is also the perfect design for Car of the Future...WOW!
click the name...you'll see what I mean...
There is no reason it should take 50 years to convert to hydrogen/green fuels.  Infrastructure aside, oil companies are just evil.  They need to understand that we are going to run out of oil, and that investing in cleaner, perpetually abundant energy sources is more important than making $43 billion in profit...in one year.  This country needs to start leading by example.  It can start by ratifying Kyoto.
Just give me a car that never runs out of fuel, that doesn't harm the environment, that's safe and roomy and I'll be happy.
can't wait to see it.  I agree with Tom.  Who the hell need a car with 500 HP? and why do we need car with 500 HP?  to go to grocery?  America and the rest of the worl, we need to do something with our appetite for gas/oil.  This global warming is for real.  Just look at outside your window.  If we don't cut down on our consumption of oil and gas, the one who will suffer is not just going to be us.  It will be all the poor people in under develop nation who can no longer afford to buy their food because the price has been going up like 80 something percent in the past year.  This is crazy.
It's all about diversity! Most of these technologies are well worth our interest and investment. Energy for our homes & businesses can be tackled in the same way-renewables and decentralization! Solar, wind and better batteries for storage!
How about a car that would run on all the left overs I end up throwing out because no one wants to eat the same meal twice (God forbid) in the same week!
I don't understand how Tesla Motors is left out of so many discussions of this type. If they are mentioned, its usually "If you want to spend $100,000 on a car."
But they started with a high end sports car to show that a zero emission car doesn't have to be slow and frumpy. The Roadster is being produced and shipped from the Lotus plant now. It is total electric, goes 0 to 60 in under 4 seconds, has a top speed of 120 MPH, range of 243mi and 100,000 mile battery life.

The 2010 Whitestar sport sedan will base for $53,000 and will likely have even better battery technology.

If the Auto X Prize competition was today Tesla would win hands down.
The newest energy bill in Congress has mandated more ethanol usage. This will drive up prices even further for food. When will people learn not to mess with the free market. Ethanol is more inefficient than gas, uses lots of water to manufacture, and must be shipped by tanker because it is corrosive to pipelines. But because it benefits farmers, most of which are big corporations, it is a boon to those up for election. Other forms of renewables should be subsidized but not those that compete with food.Tom and Ray always put on a good show. Should be interesting.
Tesla Roadster. Bring it on!
But what about the emissions caused by the power plants?  About 50% of our electricity in the US comes from coal-fired plants (lots of CO2 and other emissions), and much of the rest from oil and natural gas plants, all of which are generally less than 30% efficient.  Then some electricity is lost in transmission down the wires, then again in conversion to stored energy in the batteries.  It seems like all that inefficiency would actually increase emissions (they'd just be coming from the power plant, not the tailpipe).  Maybe I'm missing something...
The Tesla Roadster comes in for a good amount of screen time in the show. But what? You want me to give away the whole show??

I did ask Andy Frank about the Tesla as well, and here's why: The Tesla is an all-electric vehicle, but Frank told me that "you're not going to be able to drive on electricity alone."

So I asked Frank whether the Tesla Roadster was something of a dead end. He replied that he's been working with the folks at Tesla and added, "Those guys know that to have a viable car that's going to replace the current automobile, it's got to be a hybrid."

The implication is that the drive train design might be revised for Tesla 2.0.
I would love to try a Hybrid or plugin car. Out west most of our power  comes from hydroelectric power sources, so there is no worry about transfering the pollition to a smokestack. However most of those cars look to small and light to bring me to work in -10 degree weather during a blinding snowstorm. How do they deal with heat/A.C issues.
Tesla Motors has found the answer. If our political leaders were actually concerned about the problems, they'd provide unlimited funding to Tesla and other companies like it so we could stop filling our skies with smog and depending on Islamic militants for our oil. But I guess their ties to the oil industry limit what they can do. Too bad. I guess we need to elect leaders who aren't tied to oil.
A lighter car = getting blown away in strong wind gusts.
The piston engine is a complex, bulky,  dinosaur compared to future designs.  Our kids will tour auto museums and laugh at the "stone-age"comparison.  Shortly the Li-ion battery technology will be affordable, and future cars will be total electric, maybe with a fuel cell to help transition the infrastructure of gas service stations to recharging stations.  Recharging stops with quick-charge technology  will be equivalent in duration to gas fill-ups of today, but less frequent.  With production increases the future car will be cheaper and more dependable.   Click & Clack are my heros, also my brother's.  
Has anyone come up with the technology to convert the waste in landfills to energy/fuel for automobiles and other gas-guzzling machines?
I'm not a big fan of Tom and Ray.  Their advice is specious at best, and while they're relatively accurate, they leave a lot to be desired.  Additionally, their complete disdain for the performance enthusiast (read: the guys that push technology and act as evangelists for the industry) bothers me to no end.  Who needs 500 horsepower?  Well, if the only way to avoid a collision (say a t-bone at an intersection) is to hit the throttle, the person attempting to not get hit, that's who.  Plus, who cares if someone wants to spend the money for a car they enjoy?  Honestly, if Clunk and Rattle had their way, we'd all be driving Volkswagen Beetles, a beer can that maybe gets to freeway speeds in fifteen seconds.
With regard to the article, and the coming revolution in electric vehicles, I'm very excited.  Electric power and drive systems are far more efficient than internal combustion mechanical setups, and produce the kind of performance drivers want and need in a vehicle.  Even 100 horsepower equivalent electric systems have great acceleration, and in-hub electric motors at each wheel provide near-perfect regenerative braking, all-wheel-drive, and traction/stability control essentially for free, with lower weight and better reliability, troubleshooting, and maintenance.
i think this is a good idea
HYBRID???!!!! I hope you guys didnt think that the hybrid was the only solution?  Im quite sure the OIL companies had a role, a major role to play regarding the HYBRID...You didnt think that the OIL companies were just going to sit idly by and let the electric cars do its thing?  LOL  I dont think so.. its time that up and coming electric car designers such as Tesla,etc beat the OIL companies at their game and show the american people and the world that we dont need GASOLINE (OIL companies) to accelerate our cars, motorcycles, etc..a few years ago when they were designing and testing electric cars, I just knew it was going to be eventually scrapped, and surprise, surprise!!! WE HAVE THE HYBRID...go figure!!!
Please look at this when considering cars of the future
http://www.cheniere.org/misc/wankel.htm
Ethanol is BAD, the most recent study says that ethanol is way bad for the enviroment in two ways; The land needed to grow all that "ethanol" would ultimatly take up to much space and kill off habitats, and ethanol has been shown to produce more carbon than gasoline. People need to stay away from this product before society makes another big oops and screws our planet more.
D. Charles Shiderly writes, "Who needs 500 horsepower?  Well, if the only way to avoid a collision (say a t-bone at an intersection) is to hit the throttle, the person attempting to not get hit, that's who."  I've been driving for forty years, put hundreds of thousands of miles on cars, and never once have I needed to speed up to avoid an accident.  I won't say it doesn't ever happen, but in my experience it's the people who drive high powered cars who look dangerous.  

Me, I'm going to get a ticket one of these days for obstructing traffic by driving only ten mph over the speed limit...
Dear Missy H,
When my wife went to the hospital for a few days, I couldn’t get my kids to eat anything I cooked, let alone left over’s.
Who knows, in years to come, maybe we can give them a choice, “Eat it or I’m putting it in the gas tank and driving you to school in front of all your friends”.
WHO CARES! YOU HAVE TO PAY FOR GAS REGARDLESS...AND YOU KNOW YOU WILL, IF WE ALL GO IN TOGETHER JUST ONE DAY TO CONFRONT CONGRESS WE MITE GET SOMEWHERE IF ALL OF OUR VOICES ARE HEARD!!! WHY MAKE FUEL EFFICIENT CARS AND CHANGE OUR LIFESTYLES WHEN THE GOVERNMENT IS LIVING HIGH AND MIGHTY ON OUR MONEY? LETS DO SOMETHING ABOUT IT..STOP COMPLAINING AND LETS GO!!
Hydrogen does not exist in combustible form in nature, it exists primarily bonded in a  water molecule(H20).  Hydrogen use is very inefficient when compared to electric cars: The grid to motor efficiency of hydrogen is 25% while for an electric car the grid to motor efficiency is 86%. Unless we have some inexpensive way of producing and compressing combustible hydrogen, the "hydrogen economy" won't happen: it is simply too expensive from any energy consumption point of view,
It seems obvious to me that huge changes in transportation are inevitable, it's just a matter of how long it will take to happen. Corporate executives are not much different than the rest of us. With a few exceptions, they are short-sighted and greedy. People, in general, will continue to buy large, self-indulgent automobiles because they are more familiar and easier to use than exotic alternatives. Corporations have billions of dollars rapped up in tooling and infrastucture. What will probably happen is some small company that is run by a handful of pioneering auto-engineers will start to produce alternative vehicles. We can see it happening now. As the resources for the continuation of the status quo dwindle, these alternatives will become more popular. With time, more creative minds will get involved and transportation will follow a new direction. Will people suddenly become aware of the need for abrupt change? I don't think so. It will not be forced on them by government or corporations. It will come about because we will have no choice but to accept the future.
EARTH DAY SPECIAL...new link...click my name...Forge Ahead!!!
Enjoy Earth Day!
Drench yourselves in that pure good.
Feels nice, eh?
We can't all live in this state of mind for very long, because other forces of Nature would take over, and we'd be right back where we started.
DRAT!!!
And while you're at it. Why not include solar cells on the tops of these cars, and small contained wind turbines to generate more energy for the car?
In the day time, solar cells could help power some of the car's accessories, and small contained wind turbines would generate electricity when the car is moving.  
What about the air car from France?
We will change the future away from oil. At present china has stopped exporting coal! The weather will be the contributing factor! Read Pole Shift by john white! Buy the current book. It has been revised 21 times since 1980! It is available thru the a.r.e. foundation or edgar cayce.org The last 4 books of Ruth Montgomery are also a must to read! Amateur Radio is also interesting,www.arrl.com Mother earth news.com remoteviewing.com 73's to everybody n8ppr.
Just where or when will we come up with a none poluting automobile. It is comeing but there are many thiings that can be done. If the regulations are made with certain gas or other power source requirements up where they have to make changes then it will happen.
The notion of widespread plug in electric rechargeable vehicles would put huge strains on an already inefficient electrical grid. I don't see this as feasible in a big way. The more you think about it, hybrid is the only real solution to pleasing the masses. Tackling the dirty diesel problem can only be dealt with through bio-diesel fuels. Is kerosene a possible fuel? I know it powers rocket ships and seemingly burns relatively cleanly. Doesn't it?
Why doesn't anyone mention HHO systems. These promise to increase gas mileage up to %37 w/o trading fuel for food or putting %10,000 worth of solar panels on the roof of your house. Use your car's alternator to make your own hydrogen gas as you drive.
TJ,
Putting a wind turbine on the car to produce more energy for the car while it is moving...it doesn't work that way.  This would create "wind resistance" that would require more energy to move the car than you'd generate back...basic physics...there's no free lunch.
Setting the conspiracy theorists aside, there are some very intelligent points here.  

As Chris Schene correctly points out, hydrogen is NOT the answer.  It is too inefficient to produce and you are wasting electricity that could be used to power a vehicle just to create the fuel.  There certainly is a consensus that electric powered vehicles are the future (and/or the distant past if you look at the early cars), but the problem is how you store the energy.  Electric vehicles will not make significant inroads until there is substantial improvement in power storage technology (note, I did not say battery).  M's note of the air car is poignant.  In the air car the electrical energy is converted to mechanical energy and stored as compressed air then re-released to drive a motor (currently a modified piston engine, but it could be used to drive a generator to provide electric power).  This process is realtively efficient and can easily be incorporated a fueling stations as well as at home.

However, as D. Charles Shiderly and Larry Grandy point out, change is not being restricted by some grand conspiracy, but rather, the demands of the marketplace.  There are far too few consumers (myself included) willing to accept significant concessions in the capabilities of their transporation just to go 'green'.  Since (contrary to what some apparently believe) we are not at a precipice of disaster, we should use the time we have left with fossil fuels to develop the best possible replacements so that the conversion is both seamless and a preferred alternative.  If you make a better vehicle, people will be likely to purchase it regardless of what the power source is.

I would hope that Tesla Motors does well.  I would like to be able to afford to drive their roadster.  If it does as adverstised and go 240 miles on a charge, that would go most of one week for me driving back and forth to work.  

There was mention on the blog previously about micro sized batteries and a commenter mentioned quantum dot solar cells.  That would make electric cars go farther than currently available.  I can't wait for that!  I would love my Russian limo driver (Pickup Andropov) to get me in a Tesla or something similar.  

There also needs to be a change in our attitude about vehicles; milage ratings should be the new macho thing rather than horsepower.  I see far too many SUV's driving around with one person...  A sedan like mine (2004 Honda Civic) is okay.  There are too many Hummers and other vehicles of that size.  There should be a size limit to vehicles that are available to the public.  That would reduce the consumption of fuel and making of CO2 among other things.  Who really needs a Hummer?
Look, there is no general scientific consensus that global warming is a reality or that the oil/ automotive industries should begin to look for an alternative to the abundant supply of oil currently avaliable.
I have a '96 Windstar with a water pump leak, $1800-$2000 to repair--more than what the car is worth!  I'd like to find a sponsor to retrofit to all-electric or hybrid or alternative fuel, whatever, as a conversion demonstration/test vehicle.  For electric, I can foresee a home roof-top solar array used for charging the batteries, and solar/wind generation on the car itself.  Do the same thing on a large scale and we could reduce our oil imports to nothing.  Take that, you OPEC villians!
When gas hit $2.00 I started thinking about doing something.  When gas hit $2.50 I acted.  For the past year I have driven a Plug-In Hybrid that gets over 100mpg.  I charge up each night using 60 cents of Clean Domestic Wind Energy to offset the amount of Dirty Foreign Oil I use.   What price does gas have to get to for you to act?  
Plug in Cars with on-board generators could be just the ticket.. When the batteries run dry, a small engine powers the generator to keep the machine running.  The efficiencies allow a small (say 250cc engine to run a generator powerful enough to keep the batteries charged if you have gone past your 100 miles. Popular mechanics describes it at popularmechanics.com/automotive/new_cars/4258709.html
So explain to me why you can't drive on electricity alone - Tesla does, with a 240 mile range and performance to match or even beat those guys with 500 hp!
Ethanol is a complete boondoggle and any "environmentalist" that says it's the answer is a quack (read Al Gore). Growing corn for ethanol is already causing food riots in third world countries that have seen the price of rice and wheat skyrocket because of lands converted to growing this new cash crop - corn. And don't think subsidized big farming isn't behind our legislators pushing ethanol. Using corn to produce ethanol is extremely inefficent and wastes enormous amounts of water. If you really want ethanol, use sugar cane which can produce eight times more ethanol with the same amount of energy used to produce it from corn sugar. But wait, we don't grow sugar cane in the US. Which brings us back to the real solution - electricity, which can be produced from wind, water, etc.
Why not an ALL electric now, that 80% of the population can use NOW!
Check us out at www.ampmobiles.com
We are doing DC conversions right now, and starting an AC conversion with a Saturn, to bring the EV1 back to life! Sure, EVs have limitations due to the battery technology, but you have to fill up your Internal combustion engine vehicle. We also have workshops to teach others to do conversions themselves.
When you see a Hybrid for $2,000 dollars let me know , because that is when I will be a able to afford the next generation car . It is not always what you want it is sometimes all you can afford.
Im just so frustrated that with all the technology we have we waited so long to look into economical and envirometal automobiles.

Seems like with all the brains in the owrld we should be looking at much higher MPG ratios than the year 2015 standards of 28 and 32 MPG.
Especially if these guys at UC-Davis have already produced vehicles getting 50 and up MPG.

Let's hope this worl dis decent for my kids who are now 8 yers old. Hopefully I didnt make a mistake bringing them into such a poorly cared for world.
oh no! no scientific consensus on global warming! boo hoo! i just dont think that means we can stop caring. if it aint real, great. if it is, we got it covered. yeah it costs money and time we could redirect, but why risk it? with such a grand dilemma at (possible) hand, why wait to kick ourselves later? besides, even without warming and climate change, the good for the environment is good in general. so yay fer electric and yay for hybrids! something, anything is better than what we've got. either new tech is needed for gas or new tech for somethin else.
I beleive that consumers need to focus on converting their homes into solar efficient homes,Use wind power in areas that have it, then if you have extra power a month in ur storage batteries from your home,then use that for the better in your vehicle, NO emissions guys, come on, how easier can it be said? The avg cost for a solar/wind powered home is less than a lifetime of purchasing power and gas, so why not?
I hope the Electric Auto Association (EAAEV.org) grows in a big way as a result of this broadcast.  I am the membership chair so I expect I will notice.  There has already been an up tick due to Earth Day.  I have been driving electric for over 12 years.  It would be nice to have others join me.
#1 - Coal is not "dirty" anymore.  Coal power plants have 90% less emissions than they did in the 1960's.  There is nothing wrong with coal.  We have the reserves of coal that equals Saudi Arabia's oil reserves.  If the nutjob environmentalists would quit yapping, we could use coal to liquid fuel (gas) and lower energy prices until we figure out the switch to...? Electric...or whatever.

#2- Susan in Alexandria - Yes - it is called Thermal-depolymerization.  It works.

#3 - Global warming may be happening - but the temperatures haven't risen since 1998.  (Oh, yes, before you tell me I am a neanderthal, do a little research for yourself - that DOESN"T include reading or watching the "mainstream media clowns")  CO2 meanwhile has risen.  Guess Al Gore needs to give his Nobel Prize back.  Climate Change is a cycle.  It happened before man and it will happen after man.  The effect all this "Go green" baloney is going to have is less than 2% - that is if we all lived in caves again.  Do not get me wrong - I absolutely think that cleaner environments and cutting pollution is great.  Just don't let the UN reach into your pockets to do it - because the US is one BIG pocketbook to the world.

In 20 years we are all going to be rollong on the floor laughing at the Al Gore's of the world.

#4 - Ethanol is a lie.  The world is having food riots because our stupid government had the bright idea of burning our FOOD.  It is a waste of energy - taking 1.3 units of energy to make 1 unit of ethanol energy. (which runs at 85% of the power)  Europe is sick of the US's big ethanol lie - and you will see it die the death it should have had years ago, in a short time.

#5 - Plug in cars are awesome!  Battery technology is getting better all the time.  Here's another great idea - why not power those cars with clean nuclear powere - you know the kind France has been using for decades with NO pollution problems....Oh yeah, it's those doggone environmentalists again...you remember "no nuke power"  and all that crud.  Wake up.  We could be off oil, have great electric cars (more torque and power than combustion engines - have your hotrod and clean too) and never worry about foreign oil again.  Until the rabid liberal environmentalists wake up...we are going to be in for a lot of shortages and high prices.
It's kind of funny how we got where we are.  The horse less carriage was a god send in the city where animal dung was everywhere.  Now we the masses are being exploited every day by the oil and big motor companies in the same way tobacco has been doing us since the beginning.  Out of those tail pipes comes a poisonous concoction of chemicals that we breathe in for the pleasure of going from point A to point B.  What alternative do we have?  It is hard to get away form the toxic smokers.  The oil/automotive industry sells us the machines and then sells us the fuel to make them go.  Nice and neat.  No real competition with any other technologies and it is in their best interest to keep it that way.
Go carbon fiber


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