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Doomsday fears spark lawsuit

Posted: Thursday, March 27, 2008 11:00 AM by Alan Boyle


EIROforum / CERN
A hardhat worker is dwarfed by the inner workings of the Large Hadron
Collider's ATLAS detector. Click on the image for a larger version.

The builders of the world's biggest particle collider are being sued in federal court over fears that the experiment might create globe-gobbling black holes or never-before-seen strains of matter that would destroy the planet.

Representatives at Fermilab in Illinois and at Europe's CERN laboratory, two of the defendants in the case, say there's no chance that the Large Hadron Collider would cause such cosmic catastrophes. Nevertheless, they're bracing to defend themselves in the courtroom as well as the court of public opinion.

The Large Hadron Collider, or LHC, is due for startup later this year at CERN's headquarters on the French-Swiss border. It's expected to tackle some of the deepest questions in science: Is the foundation of modern physics right or wrong? What existed during the very first moment of the universe's existence? Why do some particles have mass while others don't? What is the nature of dark matter? Are there extra dimensions of space out there that we haven't yet detected?

Some folks outside the scientific mainstream have asked darker questions as well: Could the collider create mini-black holes that last long enough and get big enough to turn into a matter-sucking maelstrom? Could exotic particles known as magnetic monopoles throw atomic nuclei out of whack? Could quarks recombine into "strangelets" that would turn the whole Earth into one big lump of exotic matter?

Former nuclear safety officer Walter Wagner has been raising such questions for years - first about an earlier-generation "big bang machine" known as the Relativistic Heavy-Ion Collider, and more recently about the LHC.

Last Friday, Wagner and another critic of the LHC's safety measures, Luis Sancho, filed a lawsuit in Hawaii's U.S. District Court. The suit calls on the U.S. Department of Energy, Fermilab, the National Science Foundation and CERN to ease up on their LHC preparations for several months while the collider's safety was reassessed.

"We're going to need a minimum of four months to review whatever they're putting out," Wagner told me on Monday. The suit seeks a temporary restraining order that would put the LHC on hold, pending the release and review of an updated CERN safety assessment. It also calls on the U.S. government to do a full environmental review addressing the LHC project, including the debate over the doomsday scenario.

On Monday, District Judge Helen Gillmor assigned the case to a magistrate judge, Kevin S.C. Chang, for an initial conference on June 16. Wagner said he planned to ask for a more immediate hearing on the request for a restraining order - that is, once he has served the federal government with the court papers.

The case is currently being handled by the U.S. attorney's office in Hawaii, where Wagner and Sancho both live,`but that may not necessarily be where the legal proceedings end up. The Justice Department's Environmental and Natural Resources Division, based in Washington, is also being brought in on the case, assistant U.S. attorney Derrick Watson told me in an e-mail Wednesday.

In Washington, Justice Department spokesman Andrew Ames noted that the court papers had not yet been received. "We don't have any comment," he told me Thursday. "We'll comment in court when it's appropriate."

Debating doomsday
The defense attorneys would likely dwell on the regulatory and procedural questions rather than the worries over a cosmic catastrophe. Those worries have been around for years, and most physicists have scoffed at them for almost as long. The doomsday scenarios raised by Sancho and Wagner include:

  • Runaway black holes: Some physicists say the LHC could create microscopic black holes that would hang around for just a tiny fraction of a second and then decay. Sancho and Wagner worry that millions of black holes might somehow persist and coalesce into a compact gravitational mass that would draw in other matter and grow bigger. That's pure science fiction, said Michio Kaku, a theoretical physicist at the City College of New York. "These black holes don't live very long, and they have microscopic energy, and so they are harmless," he told me.

  • Strangelets: Smashing protons together at high enough energies could create new combinations of quarks, the particles that protons are made of. Sancho and Wagner worry that a nasty combination known as a stable, negatively charged strangelet could theoretically turn everything it touches into strangelets as well. Kaku compared this to the ancient myth of the Midas touch. "We see no evidence of this bizarre theory," he said. "Once in a while, we trot it out to scare the pants off people. But it's not serious."

  • Magnetic monopoles: One theory suggests that high-energy particle collisions might give rise to massive particles that have only one magnetic pole - only north, or only south, but not the north-south magnetism that dominates nature. Sancho and Wagner worry that such particles could be created in the LHC and start a runaway reaction that converts atoms into other forms of matter. But physicists have seen no evidence of such reactions, which should have occurred already as the result of more energetic cosmic-ray collisions in Earth's upper atmosphere.

The cosmic-ray argument has been applied to the black-hole and strangelet scenarios as well. If such dangerous things can be created, why haven't they already eaten up Earth, along with other planets, stars or whole galaxies in the billions of years since the universe arose? To answer that question, Sancho and Wagner pose a counterargument: Perhaps cosmic-ray collisions really are creating tiny black holes or strangelets, but those little bits of doomsday zip by too fast to cause any trouble. In the LHC, they say, the bad stuff could hang around long enough to be captured by Earth's gravity and set off a catastrophe.

In response, particle physicists are developing counter-counterarguments -  based on their theoretical work as well as data from astronomical observations and experiments at the Relativistic Heavy-Ion Collider. For instance, the physicists would say that enough of the doomsday particles still should have been captured by neutron stars or cosmic gas clouds to have an impact. No such impact has ever been seen. Therefore, no doomsday.

CERN spokesman James Gillies told me that a 2003 assessment of the doomsday scenarios was being updated with the new information. Release of that updated report - the one that Sancho and Wagner apparently have been waiting for - is "imminent," Gillies told me.

Questions about the doomsday scenarios may well come up at CERN on April 6, during a public open house at the LHC. Some researchers have gotten the word to be prepared to talk about microscopic black holes and strangelets if asked.

Reality check
Saying something is absolutely impossible doesn't always come easy. Some scientists find it difficult to state categorically that such-and-such a theoretical catastrophe has no chance of happening, and Fermilab spokeswoman Judy Jackson told me that the doomsayers have "cynically distorted" that natural reluctance to rule out even the most outlandish theoretical possibilities.

The doomsaying can continue as long as scientists hold out even a tiny sliver of uncertainty. Jackson cited the example of Paul Dixon, a psychology professor at the University of Hawaii at Hilo who has been saying for more than a decade that experiments at Fermilab's Tevatron accelerator are in danger of touching off an artificial supernova. Dixon is still going strong: He submitted an affidavit in support of the LHC lawsuit filed by Sancho and Wagner.

The current lawsuit could well be decided not by scientific arguments but rather by narrower regulatory issues. On that point, Jackson said that Fermilab has followed U.S. environmental regulations, just as CERN has followed European regulations. "Of course there are plenty of environmental laws and regulations, and they have all been followed to the letter," she said.

However, Jackson said CERN shouldn't be held to U.S. requirements when it comes to operating the LHC - even if the collider happens to be using magnets built by Fermilab. "Just because we built them doesn't mean we have any say over French environmental regulations," she said. 

For his part, Wagner said he hoped Fermilab and the other defendants in the lawsuit would take another look at the doomsday scenarios - and speculated that a restraining order might not even be necessary. He noted that the startup schedule for the LHC has been repeatedly delayed, which would give more time for further safety assessments. (CERN's schedule currently calls for first collisions by the end of August, and the word is that the collider may not reach its full power of 14 trillion electron-volts until next year.)

Wagner suggested that cosmic-ray observations by the Pierre Auger Observatory and the yet-to-be-launched Gamma-ray Large Area Space Telescope, or GLAST, could shed new light on the debate. "The way I look at it, this should be a basis to look for more funding to find a solution to the problems we raised," he told me.

I'm pretty sure most physicists won't see it that way. They're generally anxious to spend their time and their grant money using the LHC rather than chasing down cosmic improbabilities. The doomsday lawsuit could conceivably be dismissed once it comes up for a hearing - that's basically what happened to Wagner's earlier lawsuit against the Relativistic Heavy-Ion Collider. But in the meantime, feel free to make your own arguments, counterarguments and counter-counterarguments in the comment section below.

Bonus round: For a different perspective on doomsday, check out this little tale from the late science-fiction great Arthur C. Clarke.

Update for 2:20 a.m. ET March 27: Documents relating to Sancho v. Department of Energy have been uploaded to LHC Concerns, a Web site that voices worries about the Large Hadron Collider. Also, CERN has a Web page that addresses the worries, plus links to safety reports for the Large Hadron Collider and the Relativistic Heavy-Ion Collider. You'll find more discussion of all this on Slashdot.

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Here we go again.  The world is flat, and if man was meant to fly, he would have been born with wings.  I look forward to the day I can teleport from location to location instead of spending hours or days traveling.  Let's move forward and try to understand how this universe really works.  
Good old Chris got his info concerning the true shape of the earth from the bible, maybee we need to look there for some answers
Human's love doomsday... some enough to take it to court. Or possibly bet their entire lifesavings on a horse in fear of Nostradamus being right. Well there is no doomsday. But I do see a very good holywood B movie plot here.
Ha ha. It's so funny. Most of you Texans commenting on this seem to think that scientists are out to destroy the earth and god. With one of you in the White House, no wonder the US now lags behind just about every other advanced nation in every field of research. Hurrah Ignorance and Blind Faith!
Maybe Doomsday is a name for the day when man sees God and understands "how everything works". The Bible says, "Thou canst not see my face; for there shall no man see me and live." Exodus 33:20 KJV
Ha... Ever play Half-Life?
You have to love the legal industry! They employ people to bring lawsuits over every conceivable thing. These go to courts. Lawyers make huge amounts of money. It is the ultimate money industry!

The law suit has nothing to do with science, the LHC, logic, potential harm to the earth or anything. It is 100% to do with putting more money in the pockets of the lawyers, judges, attorneys etc.

By the way, that money is ripped from your (and my) pocket in the form of excessive taxes, because the project now costs a lot more! And it takes longer. It is time that the legal profession was shunned. It will be the total downfall of mankind. The leagl system is the ultimate black hole and development will stop and we will all be sucked into oblivion, created by lawyers and lawsuits.
Not only will this experiment destroy humanity but it will also tear a hole in the fabric of space, creating a repeating time loop where you (Humans) are condemed to repeat this mistake for eternity.
All other intelligent life forms (that have ever existed) observe the time loop for both entertainment educational purposes.
Doomsday! Get my gun!
It's not like we'd know something went horribly wrong, anyway.  We'd all be vaporized in an instant.  Fire it up, I say.
Without education, we are in a horrible and deadly danger of taking educated people seriously. -- G.K. Chesterton
"Too late.  Even before it has finished, the Large Hadron Collider has created the strange moron, which threatens to turn every other thing on this planet into strange morons in a runaway chain reaction."

ROFL!! Wow, thanks for the best laugh that I've had in quite sometime. I think I broke rib or two on that one!
We're running the risk of a moron meltdown here.
Well, we can at least all take solace in the fact that if catastrophe strikes, France will be the first to go.
*sigh*

I'm off to CERN in about 10 days. My husband works there. He's a lovely guy. Kind, caring, funny, very intelligent and best of all he really, really loves me. More than that, he loves *being alive*. He has no desire to suck the Earth into a black hole or blow the whole place up or whatever it is these terrified intellectual pygmies think is going to happen.

For normal stuff about CERN, come listen to my husband's podcast www.cernpodcast.com
I know, let's travel back in time to our ancestors, make sure they never learn how to create fire, because gosh, look at all the damage it's done, and who needs heat anyway. Don't you like your meat raw? And, let's make sure antibiotics never get invented, because now EVERYONE in the known universe has taken so much of them, that they're rendered ineffective. I'm sure everyone prefers pain and suffering before dying anyway. And while we're at it, let's make sure the explorers of earth never discover anything outside their farm, because look at all the wars through history? Geez, ever hear of nothing ventured, nothing gained?
Myself being in the science field think that this has a major potential for disaster.  Answering the age old questions are the driving force of science. However, if there is any uncertainty in this experiment whatsoever, it most certainly should be put under a microscope first to way all possibilities.  These concepts for disaster may sound too "science fiction" for the average Joe, myself included, so when physicists warn of the potential for strangelets and black holes on our own planet, perhaps we should take a deeper look.  When they fire it up and they say "whoops", i'll say told ya so as we're bieng sucked into a worm hole, cheers!
I say let it rip in the cause for knowledge and scientific gain. Besides I'm overdrawn, maxxed out and ready for foreclosure, I'm rooting for the doomsday theory.
All of this doomsday talk was a Discovery Channel program.  These guys are basing their fears on a TV show.
  Scientists do agree that some of the doomsday scenarios are possible--though occurrance very unlikely.
Given this and the total destruction potential if a scenario occurs---it does make sense to be cautious---why not review safety?
But, really, even with CERN at its safest--is enough known to eliminate destructive potential? We are dealing with experiments on the edge of the known; unknowns of matter and space are just that.
The LHC will look for results that have not been seen before --that is its purpose. An unanticipated destructive event is not entirely ruled out; risk in any case cannot be eliminated at the edge of the unknown.
So, a conflict: continue to push into the unknown or play it safe?
I say, let's risk the doomsday scenario--better to be
wiped out by a burgeoning black hole than wallow in ignorance, right? Ha!

Deja Vu - all over again!

Does anyone remember the Senate hearings on the U.S. Super-sonic Transport (SST)?  We were treated to PhD economists testifying on the hazards of radiation to high altitude travelers and PhD physicists laying it down on economics.

The posesssion of a PhD only says that someone has conducted a science project and defended it to a committee of like-minded people.  It confers not a jot of knowledge outside the stated field.  T'was once said that to gain a doctorate was to learn more and more about less and less, until you know everything there is to know about nothing at all.

Beware the use of "Dr," outside their chosen field!

Celtic Curmudgeon Strikes Again!
David, in Grand Junction....very good point!  Personally, even if these doomsday scenarios do occur, so what?!...we'll never know it.

Or, the aliens will finally show up and tell us "Yea!  You finally did it!", take all the Christians and leave the rest of us to do some decent science.
WHAT judge or jury would be competent to undertand these kind of arguments? Perhaps the same type jury, one of whose members was quoted some time ago as saying "while we was deliberated in the back room" (:  These things need to be left to physicist who know what the realities really are.  Personally, I think the LHC is well worth the cost and a degree of risk as well, b/c it's this kind of research that moves$ us up a notch or two from the muck of our beginnings.
It's much more probable than what they're trying to prove (That the universe began from nothing, and God does not exist).  They say that these things are "probabilistically zero" yet they accept the even less probable theories of evolution, etc.
What a terrible thing to suggest Mike S, from St.Louis.  In the grand scheme of things bipedal primates haven't inhabited Earth that long.  Look at what's happened in the last thousand years.  WE CONQUER ALL.  Unfortunately our southerly friends of America are at the top of the heap right now and accompanying them is a greed never seen in human history.  Isn't there a particle colider sitting in Texas that's not being used right now?  I'm not surprised in the slightest to see the American justice system attack another Int'l effort.  Ironically, the enemy is the pursuit of knowledge in this case.  Tisk Tisk
A recent theory indicates gravity fluctuations cause tornados.
In this case it depends on the depth, power, and freq at which it operates.
So long as those in charge limit propagations of unexpected fields and have self limiting coil controls that are correctly grounded, there should not be too many problems.
Expect at certain power levels to be able to 'see' some of the flux resultants, from about half to three quaters of the 7db down point in their amp operational curve, give or take.
If there is an inverse vortex field, looks like an upside down tornado, RUN!
If the ground over it starts to show plasmic discharge fields, like those lamps with the electricity that follows a touch, and is growing, again, RUN!
 Puting a set of fluid seismic sensors at about half the diameter from the outer edge should warn of impending problems too.
 You can get a base read of flux densities from differing light bulbs within about a tenth the diameter.
 Watch for atmospheric anomolies directly overhead and at fouty-five degrees off center. No need to blast another chunck of atmosphere like HARP did.
 Any fish and birds should be very good indicators of affects on living things.
I'm surprised no one has blamed the "doomsday" scenario on Bill and Hillary! Oh yes, the neocons don't believe in science.

The strangelets we've been dealing with over the last eight years are Bush and Cheney, with Dubya's brain a magnetic monopole and Iraq a runaway black hole!  Case closed.
"Fire it up!!"
Typical male response.
Lets put the money into healthcare.
Basicly the thing scares me, and threatens children.

Go Hillary !
Oh, this is just silly. Humans could not possibly have come up with something so incredible in less than 6000 years. If it swallows up up... it was meant to be!  Don't think I will worry much about it!
This machine is a huge advancement in science and technology, i remember first reading about a while back and cant believe it is going to be delayed again! The chances of any black holes sticking around are next to impossible, and the earth will not turn in to a giant lump of exotic matter.  Let the people get on with the experiment so we can see how the earth was really created-i think bible thumpers are just scared because this will prove that maybe GOD didnt create the earth!
This would make a great Dr Who episode.  

They did make one back in the late 70's where a large oil company drilled a hole through the Earth's crust.  The instant the drill breached the crust; the Earth slowly popped like a water balloon as the doctor watched from space.  It was a parrallel universe of course.
I heard this thing makes a mean cheeseburger.
C'mon folks - there's no need for trash talking people who are afraid. This seemingly "arrogant" attitude is what turns people off from real science; the smart money is to look briefly into these fears, and see if there are valid points here. Then show them that odds are that there will be no Doomsday scenario. The way to handle these people is to show them that there is little/nothing to fear. It's easy to dismiss these people as 'crackpots', but 'crackpots' have a tendancy to write politicians, and contribute to thier election campaigns. Politicians take them far more seriously than scientists who do neither, and that is the greater danger to science.

Why sue in the US? Because that gives them the chance to hold up completion of components manufactured here, thus holding up the entire project.

I for one, look forward to the misteries uncovered by LHC,  and for what the long term results may give us.

It is easy to say that LHC will do nothing for us, yet what if no one had listened to A.C.Clarke? The same people would not enjoy thier global internet, thier sat-cast sports shows, or even thier favorite televangalist.

My point here (apologies if I seem long winded) is that by pettiness, we (those of us who put reason above fear) achieve nothing but making another problem worse. By staying calm, and reasonable, we stand to gain everything. By taking those fears point by point, and showing that there is little/nothing to fear, not forgetting about Murphy's Law, science gains far more than it risks.

On a final point, it seems to me that PR should be required classes for scientists in training.

Thanx all.
I agree with Brendan Brannan, disagreeing with those who attempt to dismiss the doomsday scenarios as "science fiction." You are reading these words right now because of a number of things that started out as "science fiction:" Mechanical intelligences. Computer networks that span the globe and enable people to have conversations with others living thousands of miles away. Communications satellites (thank you Arthur C. Clarke). Nuclear reactors and meltdowns (Lester Del Rey, _Nerves_, a 1940's era novel that was so close to what was being developed that he was questioned by the FBI). And humans creating black holes (Edward E "Doc" Smith, among others, in _Grey Lensman_, sometime in the 1940s IIRC, called "negaspheres"). Humans living in Earth orbit.

Some science fiction is truly speculative and will almost certainly never come to pass. But virtually all contemporary science fact started off as science fiction.
Just put Stephen Hawking in the collider to see what happens....
Sadly, we hear every day about the various woes that our race faces.  Its always in the media about how global warming will do us in, no wait, nuclear weapons will, no wait, super-volcanoes!  The LHC is a masterpiece of engineering, and already carefully thought out.  Do people really believe that the scientists who work at CERN are simply willing to go to any lengths to pursue science no matter the consequences?  

First off, if micro black holes are created, chances are they will evaporate before we can even detect them.  Heck, we should be so lucky as to actually get to observer a black hole so closely, answering such questions as if Hawking radiation truly does exist, and perhaps what happens in a black hole.  Strangelets are roughly the same in that respect; we should be so lucky that we can observe something like this.  Same for magnetic monopoles.  There is the possibility of danger, but to quote Q from Star Trek about exploring outer space:

"If you can't take a little bloody nose, maybe you oughtta go back home and crawl under your bed. It's not safe out here. It's wondrous, with treasures to satiate desires both subtle and gross; but it's not for the timid."

The LHC might see a Higgs particle (one of the reasons it was built), thus confirming or denying current physics theories.  This question on doomsday is nothing more than a way to get media attention, at the expense of science.  We are already seeing budget cuts in science across the world, especially in this area.  We need to focus on these projects more, as opposed to attempting to tear them down with doomsday predictions.
It would seem Wagner and Sancho would be more concerned over our present ground and water contamination from past nuclear explosions and accidents than a SiFi what if scenario they have cooked up.  There are better dreams and what if's to waste ones time upon, unless you're a SiFi writer.  
Most experts would think that such fears are silly. After all, competent physicists involved in designing the project would not be unaware of the risks and would build necessary precautions into the design. But I'm also reminded of Professor Richard P. Feynman's autobiography as one of the principal physicists who worked on the Manhattan Project. He told of a potentially catastrophic situation in which personnel handling volatile chemicals had no idea just how much more volatile they became when combined with water. Because the project was classified, most handlers had less knowledge of what they were doing than their supervisors. The point isn't how much care the designers took. Rather, it is how well controlled the conditions are to take even the least likely scenarios into account.
Marvin asked, "Er, how many cosmic ray interactions with center of mass energies in the 28 TEV range have occured near the surface of the earth in the last few billion years?"

According to http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ultra-high-energy_cosmic_ray
Cosmic Ray Interactions with over 100,000,000 TeV occur once every 100 years per square km. Given the earth's surface area is 148,300,000 km2. Assuming as well that this rate averages out for the last billion years. Around 1.4 * 10^15 interactions have occured in your time frame.  I would assume the number or 23 TeV  interactions would be perhaps in the realm of 100.    
I have to say... Some people have a great veiw of the world around them... some are so stupid it really scares me.... I figure by the time the next person gets to the bottom of this list we might already be gone... So lets give it a shot and if a black hole swallows up half the world, at least the guys on the space station will have a great view.
the keyboard you all are typing on, the internet everyon so values comes from that scientific community and so will the GRID - the LHC is part of our evolution. I am ready for the next level.. take me there.

Do it!  If it is the end of the planet I'm pretty sure it won't be a problem for me.  This is how progress is made.  Yes, Of course I realize that they thought they had control over the experiment at Chernobyl too, but in the end we cannot prevent the advance of science for fear.  Shutting it down would not stop physicists from doing similar experiments on a smaller scale with potentially the same results.  Having the LHC means a ton of eyes watching and being involved.  That seems safer than sending this type of science "underground".
Uh, for all those who freak out about people exercising caution, who chastise those with the intellect to learn from our past, please bear this in mind.

Who here hasn't heard of a child who's touched the stove and suffered severe burns to the hands?  The lesson there extends past children and even to the egoistical brainiacs of the world.

Just because you don't understand it, doesn't make it a better idea to play with it...  Our species level of understanding everything in the universe, including black holes, dark matter, quarks and the like, is so child, rather infant like, we may as well be back in the womb.  Here is a good explination to validate that last sentance.

We as a species have no direct experience with black holes, quarks, dark matter and so on to provide us the proper warnings and safeguards to avoid hurting our selves when play with these things.  

A child who burns their hands on the stove has no experience with stoves to provide his/her self with proper warnings and safeguards to avoid hurting his/her self when they play with the stove.

The only difference between we adults and children is this:  We adults have experiences with other situations in life that we can relate to new experiences that we encounter.  Which is in no way excludes situations found in highly complex physics or other intellectual situation.  

So.  In my opinion, I'd love to see that thing fired up WHEN we've been able to get a REAL reasonable measure of what the safety issues are.  Frankly, I don't think even that will happen in our life time.

That all being said, I know it won't be listened to, SO GOOD LUCK FOLKS!  I suggest you live the night before the 1st use of this machine as your last.  And if we're all still tooling around the next day, well, we just had one heck of a party, see ya at work...
I think it is a crime and a disservice to the public when decisions about investigative science is politcally or "panically' motivated. how does it serve the public when a "science project" is mandated with a predetermined conclusion?  In other words reject all discovery that dosen't fit the mold. We can't move forward with this kind of thinking.
Remember, these are the same guys that, just over a hundered years ago, said that heavier-than-air flight was impossible. When the Wright brothers news first hit the wires, many big time newspapers were afraid to run the story.
Isn't time infinite in a blackhole? I know there is one at the center of our galaxy, in which we are destined to be in eventually.  Go for it-blackholes are fun-not scary
I have the solution:  put all the money that would go into building the LHC, defending the LHC from this lawsuit, all the money that it would cost to file the suit, and successfully win the case (on either side), pour that funding into a mission to Mars, and build the LHC on Olympus Mons.  That way, we'll only be blowing up Mars.  And who really cares about Mars, right?
I'm doubting the scientific credibility of the two skeptics, one of whom is not even mentioned as having a physics background. It seems like we should be trusting the scientists, especially those well-versed in the particle physics that they are studying.
Fire it up on Dec. 21, 2012.  :)
When we created the Atomic bomb there were concerns over setting off a chain reaction and igniting the entire atmosphere thereby turning the earth into a very well done piece of toast.  
Their fears were as groundless then as they are now.
Notice, most people against this are either from Texas or any other 'red' state.  I think this goes to show us that Closed-Minded people who don't want this experiment to occur are all REDNECKs!
We should sink the state of Texas into the Golf of mexico.  I would LOVE to have this planet and all it knows to be expanded by this project, however, I would also love it if this project created some super particles that destroyed the planet and all we know.  Its not like global warming isnt slowly killing the planet, why not take a chance to learn something about the universe.  The way i see it, Its like either smoking a ciggarette, or playing russian roulette.


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