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Killer robots ... friend or foe?

Posted: Tuesday, February 26, 2008 7:15 PM by Alan Boyle

Thousands of robots are already on the battlefield in Iraq and Afghanistan, but what happens when you hand the robot a gun and turn it loose?

Some researchers fear that giving military robots autonomy as well as ammo is the first step toward a "Terminator"-style nightmare, while others suggest that in some scenarios, weapon-wielding robots could someday act more humanely than humans.

The pros and cons of killer robots are taking center stage Wednesday in London, at what's considered the world's oldest military think tank, the Royal United Services Institute.

On one side of the issue is Ronald Arkin, a robotics researcher at Georgia Tech who is working on a Pentagon-funded project to build a sense of ethics into battlefield robots - "an artificial conscience, if you will," he told me.


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Design engineer Gary Morin demonstrates
Foster-Miller's weaponized SWORDS robot.

"The basic rule is to try to engineer a system that will comply as best it can, given the information that it has, with the laws of war," Arkin explained. "And it's my belief that eventually we can do better than humans in this regard."

On the other side is Noel Sharkey, a robotics expert at Britain's University of Sheffield who served as chief judge for the long-running TV show "Robot Wars." 

Nowadays, Sharkey is sounding the alarm about the prospect of real-life robot wars: He's calling for an international ban on autonomous weapon systems until it can be shown that they can obey the laws of war.

"I think we should be addressing this immediately," Sharkey told me. "I think we've already stepped over the line."

Killer robots aren't on their own ... yet
That doesn't mean killer robots are on the loose. To date, the battlefield 'bots have been used as not-so-autonomous extensions of human warfighting capabilities. For example, the missile-armed Predator drones that have played such a prominent role in Iraq and Afghanistan are remote-controlled by teams of living, breathing pilots.

On the ground, robots have traditionally done reconnaissance or hunted for roadside bombs. Just recently, the Pentagon just went through a tangled procurement process to order up to 3,000 next-generation machines. (After a legal battle, the contract was won by iRobot, which also makes the Roomba vacuum cleaner and other robotic helpers.)

Last year, the Pentagon started sending gun-toting robots to Iraq, but even those robots aren't designed for autonomous operation. Instead, they're remote-controlled by human operators and are equipped with fail-safe systems that shut them down if they go haywire.

What worries Sharkey is that the military may be on a slippery slope leading to a robotic arms race. "My real concern is that the policies are going to make themselves, that the 'autonomization' of weapons will creep in piecemeal," he told me.

For example, Sharkey pointed out that the Pentagon is already on a path to make a third of its ground combat vehicles autonomous by 2015. "Then you'll put a weapon in one of them, and then it will gradually creep in bit by bit.," he said.

He also pointed to the Pentagon's roadmap for billions of dollars' worth of robotic research over the next 25 years. As the United States and its allies put more and more robots on the battlefield, their rivals will surely follow. "Once you build them, they're easy to copy," Sharkey said. "The trouble is that we can't really put the genie back in the bottle."

Even if the United States takes care to build robots with a "conscience," others may feel under no pressure to do likewise. A couple of years ago, Iranian-backed Hezbollah guerrillas sent a remote-controlled drone over Israel, and Sharkey said al-Qaida and other terrorists could follow suit with their own breeds of robo-bombers.

"If you don't really give a toss, you can just put an autonomous weapon running into a crowd anywhere," Sharkey said. "It's only a matter of time before that happens."

Killer robots with a conscience?
Arkin agrees with Sharkey that it's high time to start thinking about the implications of autonomous weapon systems.

"I think that's a reasonable debate, and there's good reason to have that debate at this time, just so we understand what we're creating," he said. "I would be content if it was decided that autonomous systems have to be banned from the battlefield completely."

But when it comes to designing the combat systems of the future, Arkin argued that there should be a place for autonomy, or at least an embedded sense of ethics. He pointed out that humans haven't always had a good track record on battlefield behavior.

"Human performance, unfortunately, is a relatively low bar," Arkin said.

One of Arkin's suggestions would apply even if a robot is under human control: The robot should be able to sense if something wasn't right about what it was being asked to do - and then require the human operator to override the robot's artificial conscience.

In other scenarios, the data flooding in about a potentially threatening encounter might be so overwhelming that mere mortals would not be able to process the input in time to make the right decision. "Ultimately, robots will have more sensors and better sensors than humans have to see the situation," Arkin said.

Arkin said he doesn't advocate the idea of creating robot armies to sweep over a battlefield. Rather, they would be used for targeted applications: For example, once an urban area is cleared of civilians, a robot could be set up to watch out for snipers and fire back autonomously, he said.

"The impact of the research I'm doing is, hopefully, going to save lives," he said.

But Arkin described his efforts as mere "baby steps" toward the creation of battlebots with a conscience. "There are no milestones or timetables for doing this right now," he said. "We're pioneering this work to see where it would lead."

New laws of robotics
This work goes way beyond science-fiction author Isaac Asimov's Three Laws of Robotics, which supposedly ruled out scenarios where robots could harm humans.

"Asimov contributed greatly in the sense that he put up a straw man to get the debate going on robotics," Arkin said. "But it's not a basis for morality. He created [the Three Laws] deliberately with gaps so you could have some interesting stories."

Even without the Three Laws, there's plenty in today's debate over battlefield robotics to keep novelists and philosophers busy: Is it immoral to wage robotic war on humans? How many civilian casualties are acceptable when a robot is doing the fighting? If a killer robot goes haywire, who (or what) goes before the war-crimes tribunal?

Sharkey said such questions should go before an international body that has the power to develop a treaty on autonomous weapons.

"In 1950, The New York Times was calling for a U.N. commission on robotic weapons," Sharkey said. "Here we are, 57 years later, and it's actually coming to pass - and we still haven't got it."

Update for 9:30 p.m. ET Feb. 26: I probably haven't done full justice to either Arkin's or Sharkey's point of view. For more about Arkin's work on robotic ethics, including a meaty technical report, check out his home page at Georgia Tech. For more about Sharkey's views, click on over to this article from Computer Magazine as well as his home page at the University of Sheffield.

Update for 6:30 p.m. ET Feb. 27: A sharp-eyed reader said that the picture of the robot I originally used on this item was not actually equipped with a gun. I've replaced that picture with a different one showing the right robot. Thanks for setting me straight, Remoteman!

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War has been, and will always be, a means to an end.  The end product is to have total control of a piece of dirt, an idealogy, a nation, an entire country, or even the entire world.  In Iraq, we stepped right into the middle of an existing warzone where the parties at war were not aggressively fighting because Sadam Hussein would kill anyone who opposed him.  By our going in and eliminating one problem though we caused another.  The war is back on in Iraq with the Sunnis, Shiites, and Kurds killing each other again and were caught in the middle.  These people hate each other and will continue to hate each other until the other groups are dead or until the end of time, whichever comes first.  We're fighting in a war that we have no clear reason to be in and no easy way out of.  I think the solution for the US in this current war is to have only robotic weapons and robotic platforms involved.  If a robot, or robot controller, sees someone with a gun in a controlled area, they kill them.  If they see someone placing a bomb, making a bomb, carrying a bomb, etc, they kill them.  If someone is in a controlled area after curfew, they kill them.  Robots are the future for our protection, and aggression, if we so choose.  AI and giving a robot choices to make are two different things.  I personally don't believe machines will ever be able to think for themselves because we as humans were given that gift and it's not something that can be accidentally obtained.  

On a personal note, I'm ready for my automated car that drives (or flies) me back and forth to work each day.  Viva le robotics!!!
The one thing I haven't heard anyone touch on here is this:  The Dehumanization of Killing.

As soon as you take the killing of another human being away from direct human action, you make it not much different than a game on an ethical/moral level.  It SHOULD be difficult and heart-wrenching to kill another person.  You SHOULD think twice before firing that weapon.  But when all you see is a small screen and little blips and never actually see the carnage and death caused by your actions, it feels no different than shooting your friend's avatar in the back while playing a Halo.

Robots would take this one step further.  Send a robot into a crowd of demonstrators and have it mow them down with machine guns?  Sure, why not?  After all, I won't be killing them, the robot will.  I can stay in my ivory tower and never witness the devastation.
We build killer robots, they build killer robots.  Now the robots are killing the other robots.  So, no people are killed.  We can sit in our living rooms, watching Super-Duper HD TV in 3D and the robots are out in the streets and fields autonomously destroying each other.  So, is it whoever has the last robot standing wins the war?  Or, is it war since no humans are involved.  How do you capture and hold a robot prisoner?  Is it subject to the Geneva Conventions?  If you pull the memory chip out of a robot is that torture?  Do the robots have rights to a military Tribunal?  How is it the Miranda rights are given to a robot.  Maybe the robots are programmed not to destroy other robots, only people.

Better get "Data" on the Cabinet post of Secretary of Robotic Security.

I see a film script here!

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Who is to prevent a virus attacking , or anyone hacking an auotomous soldier?
The Bible says nothing about having chips in a hand or forehead.  It refers to a "Mark", which may be physical (such as a chip, tatoo, brand, disfiguration, hair-color, eye-color, etc) or may spiritual (refusal to accept the beliefs of Christianity) in nature.  No part of the bible talks about computer chips being implanted in humans.  I don't recall any "Walking statues" mentioned either, but that's a moot point.  Any robots deployed for this purpose will not be humanoid in appearance.  A bipedal, humanoid frame is not at all practical for a mechanical system.  Robots used will either be airborne, tracked, wheeled, or have at least 4, but more practically, 6 "legs" for movement.  Not speaking for anyone over 4000 years dead, but me personally, if I saw a tracked, airborne, or insectoid robot without knowing what a robot actually was....'walking statue' probably wouldn't be the term I'd use to describe it.  
Be careful there SkullTracer you offend somes senibilities talking about the Bible. We can't have none of that now, can we.
What is the difference between an intelligent machine killing the wrong person and an artillery round going astray.  
It is amazing to me that people concentrate on what horrible things you might get a robot to do and do not observe what they are currently being designed to do.  They are currently being designed to save lives, which include soldier's lives:
Robots to find and disarm bombs and mines
Robots to run convoys which have become a target to ambush
Robots to automatically attack a sniper, because they are faster at identification and movement than the humans that are dying and robots are more likely  to attack the correct target than the slower thinking humans.  In the excitement, and not wanting to be shot, humans often shoot at anything that moves
Robots that are thrown through windows to see if the building is safe to enter rather than insuring that it is safe by throwing in a grenade.
Robot UAVs that are used for observation.  Yes, some are armed and have humans deciding whether they can fire
Robots, such as the MULE, that follow behind the soldier to carry much of his supplies so that the soldier will tire less quickly and can move more rapidly.
Robots to find and retrieve wounded soldiers - a very dangerous job.

In the mean time work is progressing on:
How to automatically identify an armed combatant as compared to a non-combatant.  Firing an expensive missile at anything that moves is an expensive waste of munitions and thus a stupid program that can lose a war through bankruptcy.  Shooting non-combatants is counter productive.  Therefore, the desire to kill just anyone is not a likely future goal.
Weapons that reduce unwanted casualties.

Note that when a sniper fires on troops, there is extreme difficulty in locating the sniper in time to fire back before he is once again hidden.  Even if the robot automatically find him, the delay in telling the soldier where he is gives the sniper time to hide, move and kill again.  Therefore, this task, including firing back is being automated.  It doesn't fire unless the other person fires in the detectors direction, thus accurately identifying an enemy combatant.  Autonomus isn't the problem.


Yes, robots could be turned loose in a crowd to kill, but currently terrorists are using the cheaper method of using a bomb in a crowd. The bomb will still be cheaper when robots are available.  

Note that modifying or building a robot takes someone with intelligence, not a basket weaver or a carpenter.  Because of horror movies, there are many people who do not trust the scientist or engineer.  They think mad scientists don't care how their work is used, but nothing could be further from the truth.  Jails are not filled with scientists and engineers.  Intelligent people don't tend to be criminals.  So, we are not likely to be headed for the creation of the Terminator, but instead are likely to be proceeding to Gort (the robot from "The Day the Earth Stood Still."  Gort was a robot that was created to end war.
Man should stay in the conflict...killing or destroying something remotely instead of face to face makes it easier...like a video game.  It is important that when we do fight we get blood on our hands...it makes it real.  I wonder how much we would fight if it was face to face with swords and such.  I would suggest that conflicts would greatly decline in such a world.  John Rambo does not exist...only lots of want to bes....
How Could any of this be going on, I mean our taxes would SKYROCKET and no one can forget about pollution! I wouldn't even consider this idea. We can't get overly ambitious! We have so many other problems to worry about than making KILLER ROBOTS, and if we have killer robots out there what if they accidentally kill one of our own. We already have too many people dying everywhere! Why not focus on the fixable problems, before making even more problems than solutions.
When it comes to autonomous robots, combat oriented or not, we have to consider what their purpose is and who will use them.  Also, how much understanding will they have of what they are to do?  Will the combat robots understand that not everyone they see in combat must be killed?  There is a lot of "hard to describe" programming that requires instinct.  I think that there might be robots that are programmed to do certain things and can function ALONG SIDE of humans not to far in the future.  
SkullTracer, I study the bible and never once made the connection of the antichrist and "a walking statue" with a robot.  That actually just kinda blew my mind.  I won't turn this forum into a religious debate or ones personal beliefs but the ability of a person to take the words of the Bible and apply them to current events is amazing.  I applaud your free thinking!
I had to smile at Mr. Sharkey's reference to the "laws of war". How civilized. The only rule in war is "to win".
Yea! Another fifty years and our kids/kids will get to live in a world of android/robot wars, Johnny Mnemonic, Matrix, Borg, Terminator, etc. etc. when robots kill robots, when will a war stop?  When a country can't build any more robots? The person/beliefs that started the war will continue to thrive...but wait...that happens anyway.
I would rather have mutant man-eating squirrels that have rabies than this absurd idea of KILLER ROBOTS! I mean think about it, KILLER ROBOTS? All that would bring would be higher taxes, more pollution (not that anyone ever cared about dying and killing our own planet), and more poverty! Why must we keep hurting ourselves and our home with all of these killings? We are all in such oblivion it's sad and a disgrace. I would find it to be the most honorable thing anyone would or could ever do. All they have to do is open up their door and see what's happening, and see what can be done to fix it. Then do it!
So which modern robot has "great political power over the whole world"? R2-D2? The T-800?

The bible was not refering to a robot in these revelation passages, it was refering to the end-times prophecy of the anti-christ. The Statue of the Beast was not a litteral statue, but the human incarnation of the devil on earth, much the same way Jesus was the human incarnation of god on earth. Further, the bible makes no mention of a chip in anyone's hand. It instead claims each person will require a number. This has lead to hysteria about everything from S.S. numbers to PIN numbers.

For someone who bemoans a lack of bible study, you show an ironic ignorance of the subject matter.
COULD WE DRESS THEM UP LIKE SUICIDE BOMBERS?

The problem with programming robots to follow certain laws is that they will undoubtably break those laws.  Humans have instincts, and we can ignore them.  Humans have laws and rules, and we break them.

Robots are built by humans.  Humans will program these robots to think the way humans think.  If humans break laws, the robots will break them too.  We aren't creating warriors, or walking weapons, or this, or that.  We are creating life from metal and wires, then proceeding to give them our knowledge and our ability to take in knowledge.  We are building our metal children.
After reading your article, I see three debates:
1) Should robots have independent thought and control


A robot may not injure a human being or, through inaction, allow a human being to come to harm.
A robot must obey orders given to it by human beings, except where such orders would conflict with the First Law.
A robot must protect its own existence as long as such protection does not conflict with the First or Second Law.
To play the devil's advocate and go against the idea that "war robots" is a bad idea, I will say that it could lead to something good. If the capabilities of robots exceed that of humans, then there would be no purpose to send humans into war, right? (other than for economical reasons). A war would be fought between machines, and when one side lost, and there were only men left, the otherside would win. This type of warfare could happen iff:

1): Robots exceeded the capabilities of man.
2): There was an international rule of war that prohibits the murder (not wounding or minor disabiling) of men.

There are holes in the idea, but it's a good start! What you think?
The remotely controlled machines are called waldos, not robots.  An autonomous guided missile, such as a shoulder launched IR missile, is once it is launched.

As far as morals go, just because a waldo or robot does not need to fear for its life does not mean it will behave that way.  Live soldiers do a lousy job of IFFN, and waldos and robots will almost certainly do worse.  IFFN = Identification, Friend, Foe, or Neutral.  IFF still exists as an acronym in the US military, but IFFN seems to have been dropped completely.  Often in the field, as well as in the vocabulary.
I want someone to build Gort, the police robot in "The Day the Earth Stood Still." Then we might not have to worry about other robots going to war. Obviously, Asimov's Laws of Robotics don't apply to military robots.
No, no, no, no, no, no! How many dam movies and books and stories and video games do we have to make before we stop trying to make intellegent robots. It is an idea beyond dangourous. I am pro-science all the way but sometimes science is plain wrong. NO SELF AWARE ROBOTS!
What happens when enemy soldiers stumble upon a disabled robot and sieze its weapons and technology? It really can't be all that hard to replicate given a model. Given more than one model and they can easily build one good one... no?
It will all end in tears.
Bottom line is that a class of machines will be created and loosed, sooner or later, upon human beings. Machines that have no concept of honor, justice, compassion, mercy, pride, or fear. That do not bleed. That are afraid of nothing, and will remorselessly carry out their programmed instructions.

Machines with the truly cold blooded intent and capability to kill human beings.

The term "monstrous" does not do it justice.
I think this is ridiculous and I am no peace loving hippie at all. We should utilize technology against our opponents but I fear if we take the human aspect out of war then General R.E. Lee's famous words, "It is well that war is so terrible, or else we would grow too fond of it" would become hollow and with no human colleteral to pay the price the public would have very few qualms about attacking other countries.
Hello!!  Ever seen IRobot???
i would trust a fully autonomous robot before i would an iraqi recruit... for those that oppose.  go over there and find out.

in reference to skulltracer... if we as humans are dumb enough to let a robot rule our kind, we should deserve whatever fate may come with it.  
I assume these robots are being deployed in the battlefield to reduce risks to human soldiers and make war less horrible.  But war should be as horrible as possible if there is to be any incentive to avoid it.  If we make war "safe" for humans there will probably be a constant state of war with no reason to resolve differences since the only casualties will be machines.
Well no matter what we like or want the military machine will go ahead with the robotics as planned and it will succeed to a certain point and it's just a matter of time before they understand and create artificial intelligence that can learn and understand the future will be interesting to say the least
Oh the irony of the day when two factions send their robots at each other to wage war and the robots refuse to attack because the situation in general is unethical.

"Sorry master, you will have to resume negotiations, invalid target for attack.  Acknowledge/submit."


Can you picture robots with ethics used by Israilies or their enemies?

Constant messages of "Civilian casualties likely, target invalid.  Acknowledge/submit" would drive their "military strategists" up the friggin wall.  I know its a serious situation but its also a really really messed up one.  
As a Vietnam Veteran my take on this issue of robots in combat controled by a human is that it is very effective weapon that would reduce casalties in a war. As to turning them lose on their own one needs to remember that the robot will have only the ethics and rules of engagement of the government or person that programs the machine.  The genie is alredy out of the bottle and the technology will be developed by friend and foe alike as a tool of war.  We had better be ready to excell and stay ahead of the technology needed in this area as this type of technology and warfare will be the future of conflicts.  Jesus in the Bible says there will be wars and rumors of wars until He returns and man in his sin and fallen state has always strived to create a better killing machine.  
Amazing! We wonder if this is good or bad!  Humans in control will cause it to be a problem and we one is ever built to think on its own, may God have mercy on us!  Where has all the common sense gone?
I never understand debates like this. Great fodder for novels and doctoral theses, but where does the miracle occur that allows robots to develop true autonomous self-direction? Whatever a robot does is programmed by a human, no matter how sophisticated the action. If it behaves unethically, that's a programming error traceable to a human. If it synthesizes original actions based on analysis of environmental data, a human wrote the algorithm that allows it to do so. I've never seen a cogent argument that explains how self-awareness could occur in a machine. Not surprising as we barely have a clue about our own consciousness. What reason would a completely autonomous robot have for turning on humanity? A truly conscious machine would not have most human motivations as imputed by their behavior in the bulk of literature. Robots are a mirror of humanity, not a potential successor. Xenophobic projection is at the root of such fallacious reasoning in my opinion.
Humm!!! This is all very interesting in case I missed something. How would a robot with weapons know the difference of who it was killing. I mean there sending it to kill people not other robots.

If it were just other robots that were to be killed what is the point of the war. Don't think were playing a computer game here.

I don't think it's a good idea for them to be left to think on there own. They need humans that can mess up there programs. Which means softwear that is easy to use and can't be hacked or changed.

This is all so interesting.

WTH are the laws of war??? The term would be laughable if it wasn't so sad.
Robot warrior $10 million, RPG $500. (Those numbers have not been authenticated by anyone with any real authority in the area of arms procurement!) Not much of a gain there! Why aren't all these millions of dollars and hours of research going to solving the fundamental problems behind wars in the first place? As for 'rules of war', there are none. A soldier's job is to murder another (as many as possible actually) human being. Imagine having rules for how to do that. (The Geneva Convention is for dealing with prisoners, not for battle fields.) That being said, I am NOT anti-soldier in any way, shape, or form. They are the real heroes of society, and deserve far better post-war treatment than they get. Instead of paying millions out to some entertainment personality or CEO, reverse the salaries... who's more important in the end... someone who can play a sport or someone who defended the society that provides us with our right to spout off on topics like this!?!?
We have robotic bomb finders, unmanned aerial drones,vacuum cleaners,car painting devices,the list goes on.Why people are so surprised is a mystery to me.The only flaw in the whole design is the human factor.That is what gets people killed,hurt,maimed,etc.Humans,with the best of intentions,(inventors,builders of these devices)are doing this to aid mankind,like helping the physically impaired,give an eye on the battlefield,as not to put soldiers at risk from IEDs.Unfortunate for the good people of the world,however,are those who will pervert that technology,and turn it in to "Skynet" as one posting individual,so eloquently put it.Truth of it is,we are right in the middle of the Star Trek of the 60's.(Showing my age).This is where we are,I for one,do not even know how to text on my phone,and am happy to keep it that way.My Dad dismissed Star Trek,as "a flight of fancy,bunch of codswallop",now,over 70,he has GPS,a cell phone,more advanced than mine.When reminded of his reaction to Capt.Kirk,he has a memory fade.Hmmm,imagine that.Well,folks,it's here.It may neato stuff,just remember,the human factor is what resulted in Adam and Eve getting chucked from the Garden of Eden
I think the focus needs to remain on using Autonomous robots to SAVE human lives, not take human lives.  For example, a ground patrol is under fire, calls for backup and autonomous robots respond to the direct threat, then 'arm down' until the next one.  Autonomous weapons systems should be defensive, not offensive in order to limit the concerns and scope of their operations.
Robots?  The Navy has been using AEGIS for quite a while (see http://www.globalsecurity.org/military/systems/ship/systems/aegis.htm ).  It is the superior killer.  I'm sure the ground forces want something similar.
In a world where even small children can be used as weapons of war who will ultimately decide what are appropriate targets.  Maybe I am cynical but its arrogant to assume that these types of systems couldn't be compromised in regards to who and what they are programmed to recognize as an enemy.  In the province of war it is we humans who should always be the ones deciding when to fire and when not to.  Im thinking that a person's attitude toward these kinds of weapons systems would be vastly different if you were making a fortune on them or if they were pointed at you.  Anyone who has ever dealt with glitchy software probably sees my point.  Machines don't suffer from moral and ethical issues and much of the time and neither do the people who stand to profit from the easy elimination those who oppose them. Imagine these machines having the right to keep and bear arms after we have lost ours.  Let man fight his own battles.
Its terminator all over again
we need to go back to skynet with super muscle terminator
then hide
while there is world destruction
So here we are again where rest of world is going to gather and talk if American robots are moral. What do they care, it's not their fathers,wives, sons and daughters placing themselves in harms way. Where are their troops? Yes there are so nation helping us, but very few.
I was asked by my daughter once "daddy why are there wars". I gave the standard answer about evil men and conflict, like in the movie(We Where Soliders),that rode on my mind for weeks. The answer is so simple, It's the politician's failure to due their job in the first place. When they fail and send people off to die they have the gall to tell the troops how to do it. Show me in what war has American troops been treated humanly. Those who never have been to war can't really comprehend the horrors of war. We as a nation have stood up for the rights of others, but we are getting tired of doing it alone and footing the bill. If we can but robots in war I say do it and hell with self-rightous people trying to place moral concepts on a immorle act.
  Ultimately, no one will send their children into battle if a machine can do it.   We will insist on the robots to do that dirtiest of jobs.   Those afraid of unintended or intended violence should certainly flee from the battle zone, and we must help them escape that in every way we can.  
Wow, this is one potentially hot topic! It boggles the mind to even think about all of the questions a thinking being would have. For instance, is there such a thing as a humane way to kill your enemy? As for the rules of war, that is an oxymmoron if I ever heard one. How about the Japanese general who said that it was hypocritical to bad mouth the U.S. for using the atom bomb because you could bet that if Japan had access to it they would not have hesitated to use it. Let's face it, if a war is worth fighting it is worth winning. By losing sight of this fact the U.S. lost in Korea, (Truman, MacArthur and the Yalu river) Viet Nam, (Laotian and Cambodian borders) Afghanistan (Loss in progress) and Iraq.(Also in progress) The point being, if you feel you must get involved in an armed conflict then don't hold back, it should be balls to the wall or nothing. If the use of a particular weapon in your arsenal will shorten the war and save lives on either side there is no valid reason not to employ it.(Atom Bomb)The only way you can poossibly hope to prevent the bad guys from developing ang using the same type of weapons in an indiscriminate manner is to make them afraid to! The proper use of robotic weapons has, can, and will save the lives of U.S. troops. Should it be? duhh  




these cyborgs will not over power us and we control them.we will kick ass without these cyborgs... sure there cool as in skynet... but they are loyal..
and the world will not end in 2012 in 7.2 billion years says scientists.
I reckoned that war even with robots are profitable with businesses. So i reckoned that in the event of the robots being sent out to be shot at..is better than a human being shot at. However,what about educating a GREAT nation and fighting for healthcare....in a system where no one gives a toss about education or the health of a so called GREAT nation ..that neglects to educate its people.....and producing a healthy nation. Am all for robotic fighters...but one needs to educate and give sustainace to its people.....for if these basic things are not given to the nation.....then all there is......is a sick and uneducated nation......as we have learnt from the  world wars....

REMOTEMAN - You have a lot of knowledge regarding these issues and thank you for sharing with us.

Question:  is this why the present administration created that "Cyber Wars" act (I have to go digging through archives on another PC to find the articles from last year.)   I remember reading about this Virtual War act & thinking "hmm so they proposing to use AI robots or some such in the future?"

And regardless of what you say/said about Sharkey, SOMEONE has to run checks and balances and talk the other side of the coin.  If you think a HUMAN can not make an inhumane call and cause harm via remote control, then I suggest you step back a bit and rethink the entire issue, please.  Years and years. Yes. But it was years and years ago that I can recall when only cash was king at the local 5 & dime store, LONG before automated checkouts & Debit Cards in everyones hand.  Your thoughts on the Cyberwars "Act" covering Congress actions would be appreciated.  Meanwhile, going to find those articles.
dehumanization the human race ... one TECHNOLOGICAL step at a time! (finds a tree to hug while they still exist)  side note:  anyone think to include TREE "seeds" in the everlasting vault of earth planthood in the artic? (just thought of that)

O Planet Earth - where art thou?  You are no longer what you were meant to be.  And your main inhabitants, your "caretakers" are the cause of your calamity.


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