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Meteorites spark mysteries

Posted: Monday, February 25, 2008 8:20 PM by Alan Boyle


Michael Farmer
Meteorite hunter Michael Farmer kneels at the rim of a crater in Peru.

Five months after a meteorite made an international splash in Peru, experts are suggesting explanations for some of the space rock's effects - for example, the sickening odor villagers smelled at the crash site, and the bubbles that were seen emanating from the water-filled crater left behind. But a study due to be presented next month also raises fundamental questions about the event. In fact, an international research team declares that the impact "should not have happened" at all.

Yet another study sets forth a mystery surrounding two other meteorites found in Antarctica a couple of years ago. The rocks don't match any other class of meteorite - so where did they come from?

The two studies are among hundreds submitted for the annual Lunar and Planetary Science Conference, scheduled March 10-14 in League City, Texas. The conference offers the cream of the crop in planetary science - focusing on topics ranging from the solar wind, to Mercury and Mars, to the icy dwarfs on the solar system's edge.

The Peruvian meteorite impact comes in for a fresh round of scientific scrutiny in a study submitted by researchers from Brown University and institutes in Peru and Uruguay. Just after the impact was reported, some scientists doubted whether a meteorite was actually responsible for the crater - but subsequent analysis proved that a stony space rock was involved (as opposed to a denser iron meteorite).

Scientists previously thought that stony meteorites on the scale of the one that hit Peru would break apart into little pieces before they hit the ground. The fact that this one survived to create a 40-foot-wide crater threw the researchers what they called a "hypervelocity curveball." They said the standard model used to estimate the effects of stony meteorites will need to be revised as a result.

The study does propose two possible explanations for the reports of "boiling water" seen within the crater: The bubbles could have come from the compressed air that surrounded the meteorite as it blasted into the wet earth - or it could have been caused by clumps of clay that dissolved and frothed as they fell into the crater.

"These two processes may have been responsible for local reports of water bubbling up from the floor soon after impact," the researchers wrote. "While there would have been heat generated at impact, it is unlikely that this could have sustained bubbling an hour later."

Meteorite hunter Michael Farmer, who visited the site last year soon after the impact, has said the sickening odor that villagers said emanated from the crater was most likely caused by sulfurous compounds such as triolite interacting with the ground water - and there's nothing in the latest study that contradicts that suggestion.

The Peruvian meteorite may be in for another shot at fame: Just last week, Living in Peru reported that Japanese investors are interested in building a space museum near the impact site, and that National Geographic is planning a documentary about the meteorite.

Now to the other space-rock study: Meteorite hunters from the Lunar and Planetary Institute and NASA's Johnson Space Center reported finding a pair of specimens in 2006 in Antarctica's Graves Nunataks area.

"These meteorites are not obviously like any other meteorites, so their origin is unclear," the Lunar and Planetary Institute said in its media advisory. "The mineralogy and chemical composition of these meteorites are so unusual that scientists have been struggling to find the right term to describe them. Numerous parent bodies have been proposed. Could they have come from the moon? From Venus? Scientists are currently debating these issues."

The researchers behind the study say they're not finished with their analysis of the rocks, and more findings may emerge at next month's conference. So stay tuned as the meteorite tales and other mysteries are fully brought to light.

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I like to think the unknown antarctic rocks from space are interlopers from a different solar system or intergalactic space. It must be possible for this to happen when a star goes nova and blasts chunks of planet into deep space.
A Stony meteorite? Then it has been retrieved?
Anyway, my comment is that it may have been porous
and consequently lighter than other meteorites,
therefore it failed to explode due to reduced velocity
upon falling to Earth.
I wonder if these are fragments of earth ejected by large comet/asteroid impacts long ago. If the impacts were severe enough, they might be in near-earth circum-solar orbit and wouldn't have been mapped by satellite tracking tools.
Meteorites making recent impacts can just as well be satellites reaching the end of their life cycle and making there way back home with volatile rocket fuel.  I would have quarantined the area and ran tests on water samples to verify this to make sure the public was safe
Hmm, bubbling water, ltes try and find the most exotic material that may have been in the metorite, and take a guess at that.  No lets really think about this, if its a "stony type" metorite, its made of rock...yes?  Quite a few rocks, both from space and earth indigenous are laden with Calcium Hyrdoxide, which also reacts with water, releasing hyrodgen gas, which would create the bubbles!  Now i don't want to seem pesimistic about such interesting finds, but it would be nice to have the concentration put soley into the metorite itself, not having to hear half a story about how the local villagers were scared cause the air was "stinky" for a few days.  Will definitly keep up with the story however, if the materials and composition of the meteorite are unknown, could make for some interesting reading in the future.  
could the water have come from the meteorites. during impact
One fundamental question and hypothesis that begs to be tested is that life may spread from one planet to next  by the seeding of meteorites. Could these objects from deep space harbor amino acids, viral particles, prions or even dormant microscopic life forms from which life possibly arises on a barren planet?
Perhaps the two specimens in 2006 from the Antarctica's Graves Nunataks area traveled from outside our galaxy.  I would think material could move between systems in the Universe.  The two specimens landing on Earth would be rare considering the vastness of space.
I found this article very interesting and raises the question as to exactly where some of the more bizzare rocks actually originated.  It is possible that some 'rocks' have originated from the surface of other members of our solar system, typically Mars, Venus or even our own moon, Venus is highly volcanic and it is possible there is still some activity on mars.
This is really facinating stuff. Another example of the more we learn the less we know. I also couldn't help adding a bit of humor. Maybe it's a piece of Pluto.
I have often wondered just how accurate the scientists are who appear on television and expound things they say are facts really are. I truely believe that we will never truly understand anything absolutly. Iam still working on gravity, distance & time and have listened to theories that can never be proven or explained to a simple understanding. The simple truth is, we just have to accept life as it is now, because it will be gone in an instant.
How long do we have to wait for analysis of the substances of these three meteorites?
You would think that this would at least make the TV news...but I haven't seen a word about this till now.  Thanks for keeping us informed, apparently the TV news feels they need to blather on and on about the 'primaries'.  Blah, a space rock is more interesting...
I would say the composition of the Peruvian meteorite is pretty well known now. It's a question of taking that analysis and adjusting what we know about the survival of stony meteorites (particularly on Mars ... if you look at the paper itself, the researchers highlight observations of small craters on Mars that may have been created by space stones).

As for the two mystery meteorites, the analysis will have to continue ... the researchers who wrote up the paper are basically putting out their information so that other meteorite experts can weigh in with their own data. Scientists will have to compare the composition in the samples with what they know about other planetary bodies and come up with a likeliest suspect.
GEE a hot rock hits wet earth causing a puddle of water and bubbles.....just guessing here but anyone ever boil water?
This is to say nothing of the extra terrestrial bricks and mortar that were found in antarctica. Or the ancient glyphs of African wildlife found on central American structures. What really happened to the Phobos mission?
The really scary senario for the meteorites not being burned up in the Earth's atmosphere is that there is a lot less oxygen in the atmosphere as we humans use it up. This would certainly be the worst case senario of all. If life on this planet is to survive (and there is a huge question mark)we are going to have to change our way of life drastically with only a few human animals being able to reprociate each year.
Wayne, California:
If they spend time telling us about such inconsequential things as space rocks, they might not have time to tell us how Brittany's day was, either. Gotta have priorities!
I sell this Carancas meteorite material that we collected from this crater causing fall on ebay under the seller ID meteoritemax. What makes it so amazing is that a meteorite material so delicate and friable could have created such a large crater at all. This material can easily be crushed in one hand.
You fools, the Antarctic "meteorites" are remains of Aliens blasted by Predators.
For my part, I can't WAIT to hear what's said about this at the LPSC "in the halls" in a couple of weeks . . .  the quote "this shouldn't've happened at all" pretty much sums up what I think so far . . .     but that's what's fun about planetary science (at least to me . . . . ).
What you allude to was something that was considered during the Apollo years, Bilal!  What if they went all that way, riding a multi-billion dollar rocket, risked life-and-limb, and came back with . . . . Huh, just pieces of EARTH? Certainly a possibility since we find pieces isotopically matching Lunar and Martian rocks on Earth . . .

The Mars Pathfinder and Rover 'teams' have also considered the prospect. But consider the 'up-side': Maybe all we need to do to get there is just wait for a big enough impact to "Blow us straight to Mars"! (assuming of course that we don't do that to ourselves first....).
Open Letter to Alan Boyle:

Mr. Boyle,

You continue to promote Mike Farmer in a positive light when he still continues to openly trash the people and scientists of Peru. I suggest that you follow the link in your article to Living in Peru and see for yourself what Mr. Farmer said. In other Living in Peru articles he has labeled scientists  "a..holes","idiots","stupid" "clueless", and said the country is a "sh..hole".

It has been documented that Mr. Farmer has stole intellectual property to promote his sales, slandered public officials in Peru, threatened a dealer in Italy with physical harm, sent a death threat to myself, has been accused of illegally exported meteorites out of Morrocco, swindled meteorite dealers with false claims of hammerstones, and other acts of avarice.

And now he is using CosmicLog links to promote his Ebay sales.

I just feel that there is something morally wrong here.

Randall



Ripley...yes, Yes, and more YES!!!!
Bilal Mujahid, Homewood, IL - your post was exactly what I had been thinking.

Randall - agree re your Ebay comment
Mr Gregory, perhaps you should take note that Carl Esparza does not equal Michael Farmer. Get a clue, then write. Mr Boyle is in no way promoting me, he is writing about a spectacular event in meteoritics.
Please provide proof of these "swindles", crimes, etc etc etc.
Statements like that can be used in litigation against you in court, as you are attempting to cause harm to my good name and cause me monetary damages with regards to my business.
I work with scientists, not against them. Which is why my name is in the official meteorite classification. I know you are angry that your name is not, but please, keep it to yourself.
Michael Farmer
Dec. 8, 2006 my truck was struck by a meteorite.
Not knowing what to do or even if this is truly what this was, I begin to make phone calls to a few colleges. One thought was to try geology dept. I knew Auburn University had an awesome agriculture dept and thought that would be the best bet.

When I reached the receptionist, she assured me this was not the first time she had received a call like this, but that 99% of the time it's not a meteorite. She told me to check to see if it is metallic (magnetic). I thought of how disappointed my Astronomy professor would be in me not remembering that. So I told her I would call her back (me looking at the magnet on my deck, and pulling the rock from my pocket). Scared to death this wasn't going to work, I slowly began pushing the two closer together. Then "click", they attached. I about had a heart attack.

I met with the geology dept there that confirmed that it was a possibility. (Thinking maybe volcanic, lunar or martian..)

I let my old (not age) Astronomy professor take it to Jacksonville State geology dept. They said it did not look like a rock from here (Earth).

So far so good right?

Against my better judgment, I sent it to Arizona St. to be tested in "the" machine. It was sent back a few weeks later with a note that it was not a meteorite, or did not meet normal compositions,...

My question is: Who next? Who else can do a test to see where this rock came from.

Had it not been for the way I acquired the rock I wouldn't be so passionate about proving it is, and finding out what planet, comet, or other threw it at me.

Facts:
*4:00am traveling south west at 55-60 mph
*about 20 degrees outside
*back window pops (spider-web effect)
*after a few choice words I remembered the meteor showers were near and hit the brakes hard to sling anything in the bed of the truck forward.
*10 minutes later (arriving to work) looked in the bed and saw only the black rock (midway back)
*there were no other vehicles on the road at that time (looked thinking I was being shot at)
*was rolling straight (could not have slung with tire to strike where it did)
*4-lane highway (no possible way someone could have used say a sling-shot from that distance, plus it's 4:00am, and 20 degrees...)

Any ideas?
Thanks...

Mr. Boyle,

Thank you for your neutrality and giving me the opportunity to tell my side of the story in a open public forum. I will present my case to the public.


Mr. Farmer,

You are the one that is using the CosmicLog to promote your meteorite sales. I have no sales to promote. I did or do not make these statements on Cosmic Log without sufficent evidence.

I am also not concerned that my name is not in the meteorite classification database. My efforts were to preserve the crater from the spring rains and my efforts are documented in the Peruvian newspaper "Correo". and substantiated by the head of IGEMMET, Hernando Nunez de Prado.

To date, I have not sold a single gram of the Carancas meteorite but have made sustantial donations.

I did not accuse you of illegally exporting, others have. I said "you have been accused" You can clear this up by posting copies of Moroccan meteorite export permits for all your visits. This will of course, exonerate you.

As far as trashing the scientists, officals, people and country of Peru. The "Living in Peru" and MetCen websites will bear this out. Didn't you just recently publically call the Police Chief a "a..hole" and Peru a "s..hole". Peruvian scientists as "incompetent", "clueless", "idiots" etc.. Yet, you claim to be working with scientists? What scientists? Certainly not Peruvian scientists. Could you provide us with any scientific papers that you co-authored?

You donate a small sample to science only to have it classified in the interest of promoting your sales. It is a requirement for classification. You gave a tiny fragment of the Cali fall so you could get a classification, then wholesaled it to other dealers. (Currently, a 4 gram piece of Cali is being offered for $15,000) Mr. Farmer collected over 300 grams.

[...]

[Alan adds: Randall lodges specific complaints about Michael's actions in the Carancas case, his claims about meteorite finds and the use of photos and documents, as well as perceived threats and insults. Randall has already referred to these issues in general terms, in a comment above. I'm very uncomfortable letting Randall get into the details here because I'm feeling as if we'd be getting dragged into a big argument with references to legal matters (see comments above and below). Randall and Michael are free to detail whatever they want on other Web sites or forums, and if they wish refer people from this log to those forums ... but I really don't want to turn this into some sort of kangaroo court that could tangle up the log in legalities. So I'm sorry to have to excise the detailed claims here. And I'll have to do the same with other specific allegations.]

[...]

I'll bring my proof to court. You are welcome to defend your good name.

Randall

Rodney,

Go to SkyRock Cafe (easy to find on the internet) and post a picture of it to the friendly people that hunt and collect meteorites. They will give you a ton of help and expert opinions.

Randall
For clarification purposes, Mr. Farmer's Ebay advertisments direct potential buyers to the Cosmic Log.

I welcome anyone to review the Meteorite Central Archives and the Living in Peru websites.

http://www.livinginperu.com - search meteorite
http://www.meteoritecentral.com/archives - search by author

For interested parties, the complete, uncensored post with specific allegations will be posted to the Living in Peru website.

I would again like to thank Mr. Boyle.
Thanks Randall...
Isn't it amazing?  These eggheads go to school for the majority of their lives and can't say one way or another what is or whar isn't?  In all of his glory, man isn't as intelligent as he would presume to be.
I am wondering if these "rocks" could have come from jupitor when the comet hit there or if they could be reminants of the comet....could somebody let me know if that could be possible?
Indeed this meteorite had spawned revolutionary theories on crater impacts. This is the crater that threw science a hypervelocity curveball.

http://www.earthfiles.com/news.php?ID=1405&category=Science
Help support meteorite research by joining the Meteoritical Society. www.meteoriticalsociety.org

For more information about the facinating world of meteorites, visit www.skyrockcafe.com

Great places to start...


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