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Was Mars too salty for life?

Posted: Friday, February 15, 2008 3:54 PM by Alan Boyle


NASA / JPL-Caltech / Cornell
NASA's Spirit rover captured this view looking northward from the north edge of the
Home Plate plateau, where it will be spending the Martian winter as a stationary
"weather station." Click on the image for a larger version.

Life on ancient Mars just got tougher.

Not only was Martian water highly acidic in ancient times, but it was also extremely salty, researchers reported today in Boston at the annual meeting of the American Association for the Advancement of Science.

"In fact, it was salty enough that only a handful of known terrestrial organisms would have a ghost of a chance of surviving there when conditions were at their best," Harvard biologist Andrew Knoll, a member of the Mars rover science team, told reporters.

When you add in the earlier findings about how acidic Martian water was, back in the era when the rocks now being studied were formed, the picture of the Martian environment becomes so forbidding that Knoll couldn't think of any organism on Earth that could survive.


NASA / JPL-Caltech / Cornell
This view from NASA's Opportunity
rover shows bedrock in a layer
informally named "Gilbert," around
the inside of Victoria Crater. A thin
"fin" of rock rises from one of
Gilbert's edges. Click on the image
for a larger version.

"There aren't that many of those environments around," he observed. The organisms would have had to withstand the corrosiveness of water draining out from an acid mine as well as the salinity of water pooled on a salt flat.

Knoll's findings are based on an analysis of the minerals sampled by Opportunity as it explored the Martian plain known as Meridiani Planum, where it landed just over four years ago. The analysis looked at the present-day chemical content and worked backward in time, using a computer model as a "gauge of paleosalinity," Knoll said.

Other evidence comes from an analysis of one of the more recent pictures to come from Opportunity, a close-up of a rock known as Gilbert. The slab is covered with the blueberry-like stones that have been often been seen in Meridiani Planum. But it also sports what Knoll called "Cadillac-like fins" along an edge. He said those fins tell geologists that the rocks were formed by fluid flow but have been exposed to the elements for a long time.

For Knoll, the bottom line is that even the rocks of Meridiani Planum, where Opportunity found its best evidence for ancient water, would have been no place for life as we know it.

"By the time the Meridiani rocks formed, broadly speaking three and a half to four billion years ago, the planetary surface at Mars was ... my favorite three-word characterization is, 'arid, acidic and oxidizing,'" Knoll said. "That's not a very pleasant place to live, and it's a worse place to try to do the chemistry that is generally thought to have given rise to life on this planet."


NASA / JPL-Caltech / Cornell
This view from NASA's Opportunity
rover shows a stretch of layered
bedrock informally named "Lyell,"
part of a bright band around the
inside of Victoria Crater. Click on
the image for a larger version.

That means future probes would probably have to look elsewhere for evidence of life - either deep underground, or someplace where rock layers from the earliest epochs of Martian history were exposed, Knoll said.

"Probably the best place to look for evidence of Martian life ... is in Mars' earliest history, the first 500 or 600 million years, the interval that precedes the deposition of Meridiani Planum," Knoll said. "We know those places exist. They've been characterized from orbit."

The bad news is that Mars, like Earth, may have been hit by waves of extinction-level cosmic impacts during that time period - an epoch that geologists call the Late Heavy Bombardment.

But there's also good news, for Knoll as well as anyone else who wants more definitive answers to the questions about life on Mars:

  • For one thing, Opportunity and its twin rover, Spirit, are still going strong after four years of operations on Mars. In fact, Cornell University astronomer Steve Squyres, the principal investigator for the Mars rover mission, noted that Spirit made its "biggest discovery" only recently. That discovery came when the rover kicked up a deposit of almost pure silica - which indicates that hot springs or steam vents were active during ancient times.

  • For another thing, the Phoenix Mars Lander is due to land in Mars' north polar region in May. That probe is designed to dig into the cold ground and look for evidence of water and the other chemical building blocks for life.

  • Finally, the Mars Science Laboratory, a rover far more capable than Spirit and Opportunity, is being readied for its 2009 mission to look for even more signs of ancient life. Richard Cook, project manager for the mission, said the list of potential landing sites has been whittled down to six promising candidates. "The real question is ... to try to find the place that not only could have been a habitable place in the past, but probably more importantly, [the place that] was able to preserve the signs that it could have been inhabited," Cook said.

No matter how the current life-on-Mars debate ends up, the prospects are good for having a permanent presence at the Red Planet from here on out, in the form of rovers and orbiters, said Charles Elachi, director of NASA's Jet Propulsion Laboratory.

"Think of them as robotic scientific stations which have been studying that planet for a decade, similar to the scientific stations we have in Antarctica. ... You're using them on a regular basis to understand what's happening, in this case, on another planet," Elachi said.

To review the past four years of Red Planet odysseys, check out our "Return to the Red Planet" archive and our slide show of "Mars' Greatest Hits," as well as NASA's Mars exploration Web site.

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What about all the life on earth that is in salt water?

Don't scientists believe that life on earth began in salty oceans?
I applaud NASA's willingness to continue the rover programs when the rovers have survived far beyond their expected lifespan and are still producing useful information. Those rovers were not expected to survive their first Martian winter... and now, isn't this going to be their third or fourth?

It may be decades or centuries before we get to colonize Mars, but these little rovers are filling in what otherwise would be big unknowns when we do. Besides, it's inspirational work, and it's also inspirational that a government agency can do their job so well.

It's reasons like this that the Congress needs to cut back on earmarks and let the federal agencies have a little wiggle room in how they spend the money.
the picture excited me because, at first, it looked just like Upham NM...home of America's Spaceport.
shucks!
where's the interest?
where's the spaceport?
I was seven years old when the United States launched Explorer I, our first Earth-orbiting satellite.  I was captivated and amazed then; I continue to be wowed to this day.  Outer space is man's destiny.
Too salty...hmm...so, please explain this picture from the Rovers...

http://www.enterprisemission.com/_articles/03-08-2004/crinoid_cover-up.htm

This is, indeed, disappointing, but not surprising. We must remember that life of any kind is, at its heart, a story about chemistry. If the chemistry isn't there, you can't have life.

But this does paint an increasingly confident picture about Mars that finds its first epoch a place of limited microbial possibilities, followed by four billion years of sterility. If there ever was life on Mars, its likely going to be decades before we ever know for certain.
Makes you wonder why the US and world are prepared to spend untold billions to get a few people there!
Why is it that we automatically assume over and over again what environments life can and cannot survive in, and continue to assume, even when, be it a deep sea vent in the ocean or the Great Salt Lake, we are consistantly proven wrong?
All these scientist seem to be ignoring (as always it seems) the evidence showing there was advance life on Mars, whether it evolved from there or not. http://www.enterprisemission.com has more info about this.
"Life will find a way" is a famous line in Juriasic Park movies.  Life has been found on Earth inside Nuclear reactors, deep sea vents, hotponds at Yellowstone, inside rocks deep below the surface, on the surface of the Moon so brime is no problem for life.
Just how deep could the water have been on Mars? How much longer will the rovers tbe able to test the planet? Could they be repaired by another rover robot if needed? It is amasing that we can send equipement that far to look for water and minerals but we cannot use them here to look for water. Will the next rover going to Mars be able to talk with the rovers there know?  
Wut the!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! Describe that picture please!! That looks like the surface of a pond rippling in the breeze. Has the 'pool' area been photographically enhanced or intensified separately from the other areas of the photo? More description of the photo please.
WAS MARS TOO SALTY FOR LIFE?
Life on ancient Mars just got tougher.

"In fact, it was salty enough that only a handful of known terrestrial organisms would have a ghost of a chance of surviving there when conditions were at their best," Harvard biologist Andrew Knoll, a member of the Mars rover science team, told reporters.

We need not worry about the paper or the global warming. Time is a great healer.

Sir:
There it is. The moon is not made of cheese and the there is plenty of salt in Mars. In fact, the UFOs seen in many parts of Australia and America were the plates made in Mars by the corporation called Salty Lakes Unlimited. Their IPO officer is in Mexico talking to Hugo Chavez and then he goes off to Mamore Gaddafi. There is also a plane to bring the salt to earth in the new shuttle near the Turkey’s border near Poland. This is strictly restricted area. EU and UN thinks like the stealing oil form for the leaking oil pipes; these will create the rush of all the low blood pressures victims to scoop all the salt free. D. David form the Hexagon is very tight lipped.

More unfolds as the China gives the go ahead to the public wallets for the Darfur and Omega salts funds.

I thank you.
Firozali A.Mulla MBA PhD
P.O.Box 6044
Dar-Es-Salaam
Tanzania
East Africa
how does this affect the possible terraforming of mars?
That doesnt make any sense - couldn't life that was there adapt and evolve to the climate and water? Just because earth life couldn't live their doesn't mean something else couldn't.
Devan...that's the kind of thinking that we need...Human vanity won't allow our scientific types to recognize something so simple..."life as we know it"...what an arrogant concept, eh?
What the ?"$% do we know about anything?
Every single day I learn something I didn't know just reading here...a lot of it displeases me...but, it reminds me of how much we do not know, and how badly we want to know more.
The best way to know more is to shrug off ideas from the past, and learn without the burden of History.
There is little, or nothing to be learned from History which even comes close to being relevant in today's world.
Forge ahead...
I find all the exploration of Mars to be fascinating, and want it to continue, but there is one question I have about water on Mars that I have yet to find a satisfactory explanation for, and that is this: If I remember correctly, the atmospheric pressure on Mars is about equal to what it is on Earth at 100,000 feet. That is getting pretty close to the edge of space. So, even if you had a surface temperature high enough to prevent the water from freezing, it is hard for me to see how it would exist in a liquid form at such a low pressure. I would think it would vaporize immediately. Maybe someone out there that knows more than I do can explain this problem. -Allen in Boulder  
"Crinoid cover up"????

Do we get tinfoil hats with that?
why worry about life somewhere else, when we sould be worry about life on earth . kids starving ,war everywhere, drought.etc.etc all you have to do is look to god to know where life started,  and where its goin to end.
This news means only one thing... 99.99999% of Earth life wouldn't have had a chance of surviving on Mars.  So what?

I couldn't live under water, therefore no life could live under water.  We all know that statement isn't true, but that's pretty much what these scientists are saying.

Too salty for Earth life?  Fine, whatever.  Too salty for Martian life?  That continues to be unknown.  This news changes nothing.  People really need to drop the arrogant close-mindedly ignorant thought process of, "If Earth life can't survive there, it's impossible for anything to survive there."  Isn't it at all possible that there are OTHER forms of life in the galaxy?  Other forms of life that actually couldn't survive on Earth because the chemistry here?  Wow, there's a thought.
God or evolution, gave mankind the power to think, to not do so is unforgivable, the civilian or government backed space programs is the largest user and developer of technology that does not require the direct killing of human beings. We need a lot more nasa, esa jaxa and evenchina space and a lot less airforce, nato and military progrems, whether we like it or not life on earth in the future depends on technology, how do you want to get it peaceful exploration or war and destruction, speak out people we need space programs.
please don't use any of my tax dollars going to mars.
Opinion, theory, hypothesis is not science. Only cold hard undisputable fact can be said to be the truth. We will only have opinions concerning life anywhere but here on good ole mother Earth.

Sadly As I read some of the "opinions" of others here I was very confused as to what a couple were talking about. Dosen't matter....It's only an opinion, not science.
there is life on mars.
MAKE NO and take a restMISTAKE    if there was life outside of this planet  one would have heard about through the GOOD BOOK  so go on home all of you specalators  
only voicing my oppinion  perhaps i could put another way  by saying  no there is nobody else living outside of this planet  and i promise not to beat my chest
There is little, or nothing to be learned from History which even comes close to being relevant in today's world.
Forge ahead...

steve smyth

Everything that exists now has been built on all which came before it.  The cycles of growth and decline were necessary to pass through for us to be where we are.  You can't walk before you learn to crawl.  Plus, as cliched as it may sound, it is true that those who fail to learn from the past are doomed to repeat it.  While we certainly need to keep ourselves from being mired in the past to the point where no forward progress is possible, the past still deserves to be studied and respected.  In fact, in some areas we need to look at ways of melding old techniques with newer ones to help preserve our earthly home.
Earthlife would not have liked such a salty environment; but Mars life found it very comfy. The martians would wonder how earth life could thrive with so LITTLE salt.
Nice pictures!! Makes me a little homesick to see the old plateau again. Nice to know that it hasn't changed
in all the years since I left.There is truly no place
like home.(sniff) Thanks NASA!
theres no way humans can evade the inevitable collapse of the solar system/galaxy/universe...Gods words will prevail...that said...arent we spending more money on a fruitless effort...than is required to solve the homeless problem ? Im an adventurer as much as the next guy but the sheer logistics of a space outposts is mindblowing plus the benefit of such is almost nil...yet thats a better expenditure than public health care or homeless housing...where are the actual "gop" for the people...its a good way to go when we have resolved our planet killing issues first...we are killing this planet why spread the disease...
On the web and elsewhere are stories of possible life on other planets.  We read where the laws of Chemistry and mathmatics are essential to life and to shapes.  Also on these various web sites we are finding that the universe has the same elements and laws throughout.  With that, all life will have similar beginnings and evolutionary results.  Most primitive life forms stay in one spot and have the liquid move nutrients to them, while some float through the liquid.  Others more advanced, move in liquid with their appendages.  To move on land, these appendages must evolve into more solid and stronger legs.  Whether they are two legs or many, they will be similar to what we have here on Earth.  When we find ancient life on mars, we may not see any appendages due to life there not evolving to the next stage.  But on some other planet, we may find life that is not altogether different that what we experience here on Earth due to these same basic laws of Chemistry and mathmatics.  Some people would think that this would not be very interesting, (to find life similar to ours), but to find out the laws do exist elsewhere and are the same would be the most interesting fact we could ever find.  It would lead us to discover what the universe really is and why we are here.
OK they found water...
found a pond?
enought breeze to create waves on the pond
found more water
silt deposites indicate running water
I think the pictures are fake
darn next I'll start doubting the Moon Landing
if Howard Hughes were still alive the photos would be better.
I'm just wondering, what are the religious fanatics and skeptics out there going to say if life, or better yet, INTELLIGENT life, shows up one day? Lemme guess..."They're evil! Kill them  all!" or 'Oh yeah, I knew there was life out there all along..." Times ticking away folks...study the facts, and pick a side.
Whoooa! I agree. Tin hats all around. Something or someone is definitely affecting our thinking on this issue. The only one who'e thinking clearly here is Firozali A.Mulla MBA PhD. The rest of you need to settle down and breath deeply for a while.
Alan, in response to your question about liquid water on Mars and how it would be possible:

Mars has no magnetosphere like Earth does.  Earth's special protection helps keep solar winds from blasting bits of our atmosphere out into space.  Mars, in its earlier life, is believed to have had a much thicker atmosphere than today.  Therefore, it would have been much easier for water to exist at some point in its past. Throughout the eons since then, Mars has lost much of its ancient atmosphere.
Creation Science: The Science of Creating?  A seed came into existence by random chance???  Can someone intelligent build me a concrete block that will grow into a skyscraper.  Someday we will, it's called reverse engineering a seed.  I have provided a link for those with an inkling of insight and would like to know the persecuted Intelligent Design side of the story.

Late Heavy Bombardment?  Nice catch up theory, you guys are almost there.  Is there any theory that has predicted accurately the type of destruction and matter found on Mars and our solar system?  Um YA there is.  Ya bunch of newbs learn 2 learn.

Could all the money be going to creation science because Intelligent Design predictions are proving to be correct and as such Intelligent people are placing their bets on Intelligence?  Whereas evolution must create ether, and magical black matter ooooo cast a black energy spell on me too why don't ya.  Pls stop insulting our collective intelligence and lrn2read newbs.


Dear Alan Boyle I double dog super infinitely dare you to a scientific debate with Dr. Walt Brown.  The debate should be limited to scientific evidence and not include religion.

http://www.creationscience.com/onlinebook/index.html
The obvious answer would be NO to life on the surface of Mars. The Solar radiation from our sun and other entities in space would ahave prevented any form of life, as we no it, to exist at this present moment. Maybe there is some type of bacteria existing. These discoveries could have profound effects on futher medicines and other. The only real good reason at this time would be to explore for resources to bring home. Then maybe we would have the resources needed to colonize other planets and solar systems. Titan for instance has a huge abundance of energy supplies. We wouldnt need the middle east garbage any more.
When trying to compare life that evolved on Earth with the possibility of ancient life having developed on Mars, all our scientists have to compare with is life on Earth. Once we find the first extra-terrestrial life forms (maybe under the ice of Europa) our understanding will grow. I don't think the scientists were trying to state that life on ancient Mars was impossible, just that it is unlikely based on what we know of lifeforms on Earth.

A very accurate scientific answer.
Hey, Martin OBrien.  How about the people on the space station? Last I heard , they weren't on the planet.
plz do remember this is science and not religious. if you are speaking of religious background then you need not be here at all. i beleive you must keep an open mind to all possibilities of life on mars and any where else in the universe. it is this simple 1) we happened 2)thousands of planets 3)you do the possibilities.....
Here's an argument that no scientist ever presents.  Within the endocrine system of humans is silicone based life.  There are living crystals in the endocrine system.  Gee, how many planets out there have silicone?  How many have water?  

The whole concept that alien life must "evolve" on an Earthlike planet is utterly unscientific.  In the deepest arctic or the deepesxt oceans exist life that were considered "impossible," much less that life which exists in the places where salt water and fresh water meet.  Those life forms can only exist in these meeting places - and they are utterly confounding in the paradigm which this failed archaic line of thinking is based on.  

What is alien is alien.  Universal Field Theory doesn't exist, so what makes us think(arrogantly, I might add), that we can define the necessities of life.  The sun is alive.  Plasma in space self replicates.  Is reproduction a prerequisite of life?  And if so, then there is more plasma based life than all species combined on Earth.  Logic trumps scientific dogma.

If you hear a scientist say that there is no life out there or that it couldn't be intelligent or that it never would visit this little rock like Earth ask yourself this question:  Are these statements based on the least bit of science or dogmas and grant money requirements?  What experiment do these sceptics have in their favor?  Any?  And if they are sceptics, truly, why do they so unquestioningly follow a truly dogmatic and unscientific paradigm.  

NASA has video of a large, undulating "worm" in STS48(or 52 or 53, can't remember off the top of my head), a video that an astronaut thought important enough to focus on for over a minute.  The object was luminous and moving(not just an object in motion unacted upon by an outside force - an object moving by its own means), and its body, luminosity, and motion are unlike any space debris or ANYTHING someone can just explain away.  Sorry, no lens flair excuses to make up.  No reflections.  No comets or swamp gas.  Find the scientist that proved it WASN'T ALIVE AND LIVING IN SPACE.  

Science is its own religion, and it is, in its current dogmatic-corporate formation, a religion poised to choke on self-righteousnesss.

If a scientist says there is no intelligent life out there(or any type of life, for that matter), ask him what "scientific" proof he has.  None.
We won't know for sure how much life did exist there, assuming it did, until we get there ourselves or send something there that can make that judgement for us.  
Life is ubiquitous on Earth.  But all life is carbon-based in construction, uses oxygen for energy transfer (carbon dioxide in and oxygen out for plant life, oxygen in and carbon dioxide out for animal life),  and sunlight for energy source.  Adaptation has allowed life to develop from simple one-celled organisms to complex multi-celled creatures like us, each step along the way obeying one rule only, which is to ingest, digest, excrete.  There is no other form of life on Earth, based on silicon or copper or argon or whatever, simply because no other lifeform is possible, either chemically or mechanically.

All the salt on Mars remains just that, salt, sodium chloride, some other metals, some other gases in combination.

In the early times of the solar system, perhaps there was a fifth planet where the asteroid belt circles the sun.  Perhaps that planet was torn apart by the opposing gravities of Jupiter and Mars. Perhaps most of that planet fell toward Sol, intersecting Mars' orbit and pulling most of its early waters away and dumping them on Earth (is Luna the leftovers of that collision?) to make the cradle that sustained life here, after earlier conditions allowed the conception to occur within the warm darkness of chemical reaction fired by unending electrical stimulation.  Conception and development are very different pathways, separate but necessary to produce life in its present complexity.  Perhaps.

It's great how religious freaks search the web for such articles as this one for the sole purpose to post a comment about their god almighty and how we are wrong. It's just like when I go searching the web for posts about their god almighty and make comments about how ridiculous it is to believe it. But funny thing is, when I publicly disprove their beliefs, I am chastised for my views. How come they can't be  treated the same way?
From the official NASA website:

NASA's Mars Exploration Rover Spirit has this view northward from the position at the north edge of the "Home Plate" plateau where the rover will spend its third Martian winter.

Husband Hill is on the horizon. The dark area in the middle distance is "El Dorado" sand dune field.

Spirit used its panoramic camera (Pancam) to capture this image during the rover's 1,448th Martian day, of sol (Jan. 29, 2008).

This view combines separate images taken through the Pancam filters centered on wavelengths of 753 nanometers, 535 nanometers and 432 nanometers. It is presented in a false-color stretch to bring out subtle color differences in the scene.

As the site states it is in false color.... but what subtle color differences are they referring to?? We have been told by NASA that Mars is rust colored with a pink sky. Here we are shown that it is orange-brown with a light blue sky. If you play with the red brightness in Photoshop one can obtain the "official" color as NASA claims Mars is. Pity there are no portions of the rover in view that one could compare the "colors of the rover" on Mars to the actual colors of the rovers to make ones color adjustments against.

Additionally, if one looks closely enough at the "pond surface" one can discern details "beneath the surface of the pond" Would sand dunes allow one to see details beneath the surface? It has already been proven that there is flowing water on Mars, and that in certain regions of the planet the temperature can be as high as 60F so why not a pond?
I would expect the last remnants of a vanishing ocean to be very salty. Imagine Earth's ocean evaporating away. Wouldn't the water, which doesn't evaporate, get saltier and saltier? The very last bits of it would be horribly salty. However, with more water to dilute it, Mars' earlier oceans may not have been that salty.
ender--you are a moron. how can you talk about an open mind when you shut out God all together. you and people like you are in for a rude awakeing when life on this planet ends. you poor souls.
A dogmatic Scientific Society searching for Dormant Energy with a Biological Frame set of Mind.
Oh!Mother Nature ! Can You help when the Spirit of Science at Crossroads ?
Vidyardhi Nanduri
Cosmology World Peace
It should be remembered that there is still the evidence for earlier, less acidic (and less salty?) water, which left behind the clay mineral deposits, documented by Mars Express. Ray Arvidson of the MER team mentioned this again in this recent December 10, 2007 update:

http://marsrovers.jpl.nasa.gov/newsroom/pressreleases/20071210a.html

"We see evidence from orbit for clay minerals under the layered sulfate materials," said Ray Arvidson of Washington University in St. Louis, deputy principal investigator for the rovers' science payload. "They indicate less acidic conditions. The big picture appears to be a change from a more open hydrological system, with rainfall, to more arid conditions with groundwater rising to the surface and evaporating, leaving sulfate salts behind."

I've commented about this on the blog, also.

Paul

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a chronicle of planetary exploration
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Why do the godbots feel the need to comment on this science blog?  There are plenty of religious blogs where they can type praises for Jebus in the comments until their fingers bleed.  Please leave these comments for people who wish to respond rationally to the articles.  


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