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Big trouble for big science

Posted: Monday, January 07, 2008 8:04 PM by Alan Boyle


SLAC
A worker crouches inside the wiring for the BaBar experiment at the Stanford Linear
Accelerator Center. SLAC has announced scores of new layoffs due to budget cuts.

Physicists are still scratching their heads and shaking their fists two weeks after Congress unexpectedly slashed support for big science projects, including the multibillion-dollar ITER fusion-power experiment and the yet-to-be-designed International Linear Collider. The Energy Department is still trying to figure out what to do, but hundreds of layoffs already have been announced - and more may be on the horizon, unless lawmakers provide relief. Presidential hopeful Barack Obama is among those who say they're riding to the rescue.

The cuts came in the omnibus spending bill patched together by Congress and signed by President Bush just before Christmas. Among the institutions hit hardest were Fermilab and Argonne National Laboratory in Illinois; and the Stanford Linear Accelerator Center, or SLAC, in California.

Today, SLAC Director Persis Drell announced that the lab would reduce its workforce by 15 percent, or 225 full-time positions. About 125 of those layoffs are due to Congress' decision to cut anticipated spending in the current fiscal year by 20 percent, from $120 million to about $95 million. Another 100 are due to a previously planned restructuring of the lab's research program.

The lab's current main particle physics experiment, known as the B-factory or BaBar, will be shut down in March, six months early. In 2004, the BaBar team made headlines for a study that helps explain why matter dominates over antimatter in the universe (which is a good thing for us made-of-matter creatures).

Research and development aimed at paving the way for the International Linear Collider has stopped, at SLAC as well as at Fermilab. This is because the budget for the ILC project was basically cut back to the amount that's been spent since the current fiscal year began in October.

Other projects will have to be scaled back at SLAC, but on the plus side, the lab's big next-generation project, the Linac Coherent Light Source, is fully funded and on tract to begin operations in late 2009.

Meanwhile, the Intense Pulse Neutron Source will be shut down at Argonne, resulting in layoffs, the Chicago Tribune quoted Argonne Director Robert Rosner as saying. Operations at Argonne's Advanced Photon Source, the nation's brightest X-ray machine, will be reduced as well.

At Fermilab, there's been talk of up to 200 layoffs - due to the work stoppage on International Linear Collider R&D as well as a cutoff of funds to develop the NOvA neutrino detection experiment.

Fermilab spokeswoman Judy Jackson told me today that the layoff plan is still up in the air. "We want to avoid it as much as we can," she said. "We still don't exactly know if and how many people may have to go."

On the plus side, Fermilab's Tevatron experiment still has the go-ahead to continue until at least September 2009, Jackson said. There's still the option of extending operations in the giant accelerator ring until early 2010 if there's a chance of finding exciting new physics, such as firm evidence of the elusive Higgs boson.

Congress came down particularly hard on the U.S. ITER project, which is run from Oak Ridge National Laboratory in Tennessee. Lawmakers nearly "zeroed out" the $160 million budgeted for support of what's expected to be a $13 billion demonstration fusion-power project in France - and forbade the Energy Department from shifting money around to fill the gap. Only $10.7 million was left in the budget for ITER-related research.

Gary Johnson, an Oak Ridge veteran who is now a deputy director-general at ITER, said the international partners were in a "wait-and-see mode" - basically waiting to see what the Energy Department is going to do. "For us, it certainly makes our life more complicated and difficult," Johnson told me from ITER's headquarters in France.

Over the next decade, the United States and ITER's six other partners (the European Union, China, India, Japan, Korea and Russia) will provide most of their multibillion-dollar contributions in the form of in-kind goods. The United States, for example, will be responsible for the guts of the magnetic confinement device for the experimental reactor and a lot of the cryogenic plumbing.

For the time being, however, most of the U.S. contribution is in the form of cold, hard cash - "primarily paying the salaries" of U.S. scientists and engineers involved in the ITER planning process, Johnson said. For now, ITER can afford to be patient, but if the United States fails to contribute to the project, "the involvement of the U.S. would be minimal," he said.

"Eventually, it would have an effect on my salary ... but right now, that's not a worry of mine," Johnson said.

So what's the Energy Department going to do about all this? Department spokesman Jeff Sherwood said the discussions are continuing - and for now, this statement is as much as can be said:

"The omnibus budget legislation's cuts in the FY 08 DOE high energy physics program and the ITER fusion project are disappointing. DOE is reviewing the budget situation and its implications and remains committed to our stewardship of the U.S. high energy physics research program. The international ITER project's mission is to demonstrate the scientific and technological feasibility of clean fusion energy. The Department of Energy is assessing options for the U.S. government to continue to meet its commitment to this important international research program. Fusion energy remains an important component of President Bush's Advanced Energy Initiative, given fusion's potential to become an attractive long-range option for the U.S. clean energy portfolio."

Meanwhile, Illinois' two Democratic senators - Obama as well as Dick Durbin - have joined forces with Rep. Judy Biggert, R-Ill., to call for increased funding for high-energy physics in the next fiscal year. In their statement, the lawmakers noted that the American Institute of Physics included two revelations from Fermilab on their top-10 list for 2007. (The institute and its allies have since expressed their disappointment over Congress' cuts.)

"We must work together to restore funding in basic physics research to maintain America's role as the innovator in technology, to retain our leading scientific institutions and their skilled workforces, and to provide opportunities for future scientists," the lawmakers said.

Fermilab's Jackson said Durbin's office was taking the lead in bringing together members of Congress "to ensure that this particular funding disaster doesn't get carried forward." Obama is also supportive, although he's not been able to devote full attention to the issue in the past couple of weeks.

"We heard he had some other things going on," Jackson joked.

The federal spending proposal for fiscal year 2009 is due to be sent to Congress in less than a month, and that will mark merely the opening shot in the election-year battle of the budget. The recent resurgence in congressional earmarks was thought to be one of the reasons why physics took it in the shorts this time around. That's always a danger, as long as big science isn't seen as that big of a priority.

"Quick fixes are very tempting," Jackson told me, "but really we need to address the overall commitment of our country to particle physics. Are we going to do this, or aren't we?"

Before you answer that question, consider where we'd be today without the fruits of physics. Then add your comments below.

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For a country such as ours; with all of our energy shortfalls and dependence on foreign energy; the need to advance ourselves far into this 21st century; to step out of the billowing smokestacks and wretched coal mines of the 18th century; we certainly know how to kick ourselves in the ass so hard that we lose our vision of the road before us. What a shame.
It is essential that we stop science in its tracks!  How can 'faith' survive in the face of ever mounting pressure from science! How dare these intellectual elites insist the world was not created in just 6 24 hour days! How dare they tell us that the earth .. and mankind .. are not the absolute center of all creation! If we are to maintain control over the world's people, we have to keep them ignorant and superstitious.  They must be kept in the dark. How else can we control them? Once they realize they have been lied to for so long, they will rise up and take control over their own lives!  Then we (the ruling and priest classes) might have to *gasp* get a real job!
May I ask why you are ignorant of developments in IEC Fusion Technology?

Specifically the Navy work on the Bussard Fusion Reactor?
Congress is made up of mostly lawyers--these are folk who typically shied away from science and math classes in college.  These folks have a difficult time discerning what's really solid and at the frontier from Science Lite, feel-good junk (like corn ethanol and the ISS) that will never amount to anything.  So, when Congress cancelled the Supercollider in favor of the International Space Station, it chose cardboard fluff over real science; the ISS white elephant is still sucking legitimate scientific programs dry--most scientists laugh at the ISS as some sort of sick joke.  I tend to vote Democratic, but I'd have to say that the Dems tend to screw up on science even worse than the Repubs...the Dems just don't seem to know the subject very well.
If you think this is bad, then pay attention to NSF funding, and compare it to NASA funding; or perhaps grant spending for the entire US higher educational system. I love the fact that we have one of the best scientific educational systems in the world, yet we would rather ignore it and hope for the best. Glad I am out of higher education, but my colleagues are still bleeding from multiple stop gap measures to stay afloat. Did I mention that my old alma mater is functioning on 40% of the money that it had at its disposal 8 years ago. Now that's progress.
Issues such as funding for basic scientific research are extremely important and needs to be clearly brought to light.  I would expect that NEWS journalists would be in the ideal position to research and report on such crucial and often long term projects and the associated government funding.  Not to mention that it is essential for the general public to keep in mind that "government funding" is NOT some sort of free money tree, but rather comes straight from our own pockets, our hard earned dollars paid to the government in the form of taxes.  

As a result, seeing articles such as this one being presented as if it had any meaning just turns my stomach.  Please tell me where it sheds any light on the funding issue?  Please tell me that the reporter actually researched and understands the actual funding not only from this year, but also previous years for each of these projects.  How the actual funding compares to the last fiscal year rather than just how it apparently fell short of the DESIRED budget PROPOSAL that was submitted for the upcoming year.

Please tell me how the author could possibly have written a 24 paragraph article which completely fails to lay out any of the relevant facts associated with these finance issues, and yet the article is supposedly all about the budgets involved.  Perhaps even more stupendous, how a major "news" outlet such as MSNBC proceeds to accept and publish such a vacant piece?  Spin has spun out of control, and the last thing we need is for the media to continue to pretend that shameful budget cuts were made when all too often the facts turn out to be that funding may have actually increased from the previous year and is only a "cut" by an extreme streatch of the imagination where one assumes that every budget proposals for upcoming years somehow are laid in stone and must be provided.  Please, stop adding to the spin and start researching and presenting FACTS.

Where is your journalistic integrity?  Shame on all of you!!
A safe and secure energy supply is now the number one  problem of our nation and we cut back on basic research including  fusion power. Has every one in Washington gone mad? What does Bush want? A hunter-gatherer society? Please hurry November.
Short of a energy siliver bullit like Fusion here is a DOABLE energy and soil technology
Here are the current news and links on Terra Preta (TP)soils and closed-loop pyrolysis of Biomass, this integrated virtuous cycle could sequester 100s of Billions of tons of carbon to the soils.

                     Terra Preta Soils Technology To Master the Carbon Cycle

This technology represents the most comprehensive, low cost, and productive approach to long term stewardship and sustainability.Terra Preta Soils a process for Carbon Negative Bio fuels, massive Carbon sequestration, 1/3 Lower CH4 & N2O soil emissions, and 3X Fertility Too.
Thanks,
Erich

UN Climate Change Conference: Biochar present at the Bali Conference

http://terrapreta.bioenergylists.org/steinerbalinov2107



SCIAM Article May 15 07;

http://www.sciam.com/article.cfm?articleID=5670236C-E7F2-99DF-3E2163B9FB144E40



After many years of reviewing solutions to anthropogenic global warming (AGW) I believe this technology can manage Carbon for the greatest collective benefit at the lowest economic price, on vast scales. It just needs to be seen by ethical globally minded companies.

Could you please consider looking for a champion for this orphaned Terra Preta Carbon Soil Technology.

The main hurtle now is to change the current perspective held by the IPCC that the soil carbon cycle is a wash, to one in which soil can be used as a massive and ubiquitous Carbon sink via Charcoal. Below are the first concrete steps in that direction;

S.1884 – The Salazar Harvesting Energy Act of 2007

 A Summary of Biochar Provisions in S.1884:

Carbon-Negative Biomass Energy and Soil Quality Initiative

for the 2007 Farm Bill

http://www.biochar-international.org/newinformationevents/newlegislation.html





There are 24 billion tons of carbon controlled by man in his agriculture and waste stream,  all that farm & cellulose waste which is now dumped to rot or digested or combusted and ultimately returned to the atmosphere as GHG should be returned to the Soil.  



If you have any other questions please feel free to call me or visit the TP web site I've been drafted to co-administer.  http://terrapreta.bioenergylists.org/?q=node

It has been immensely gratifying to see all the major players join the mail list , Cornell folks, T. Beer of Kings Ford Charcoal (Clorox), Novozyne the M-Roots guys(fungus),  chemical engineers, Dr. Danny Day of EPRIDA , Dr. Antal of U. of H., Virginia Tech folks  and probably many others who's back round I don't know have joined.



Also Here is the Latest BIG Terra Preta Soil news;

 The Honolulu Advertiser: "The nation's leading manufacturer of charcoal has licensed a University of Hawai'i process for turning green waste into barbecue briquets."

See: http://terrapreta.bioenergylists.org/antalkingsford



ConocoPhillips Establishes $22.5 Million Pyrolysis Program at Iowa State
          http://www.conocophillips.com/newsroom/news_releases/2007news/04-10-2007.htm

Glomalin, the recently discovered soil protien, may be the secret to to TP soils productivity;

           http://www.ars.usda.gov/is/pr/2003/030205.htm






Since man controls 24 billion tons in his agriculture then it seems we have plenty to work with in sequestering our fossil fuel CO2 emissions as stable charcoal in the soil.

As Dr. Lehmann at Cornell points out, "Closed-Loop Pyrolysis systems such as Dr. Danny Day's are the only way to make a fuel that is actually carbon negative". and that " a strategy combining biochar with biofuels could ultimately offset 9.5 billion tons of carbon per year-an amount equal to the total current fossil fuel emissions! "

If pre-Columbian Kayopo Indians could produce these soils up to 6 feet deep over 15% of the Amazon basin using "Slash & CHAR" verses  "Slash & Burn", it seems that our energy and agricultural industries could also product them at scale.

Harnessing the work of this vast number of microbes and fungi changes the whole equation of energy return over energy input (EROEI) for food and Bio fuels. I see this as the only sustainable agricultural strategy if we no longer have cheap fossil fuels for fertilizer.

We need this super community of wee beasties to work in concert with us by populating them into their proper Soil horizon Carbon Condos.


The U.S., once having been a powerhouse of manufacturing, is now on a course to also abandon any claim to being a leader of global technology development. These combined actions assure the U.S. a minor role in the overall scheme of our place on this planet. It is hard to imagine that our lawmakers are so ill advised and are so lacking an objective understanding of these things. Getting these things so fundamentally wrong has become commonplace for our government. As much as I hate to admit it our lawmakers reflect the general stupidity of our population. The entire future of mankind is intimately tied to scientific advances which must occur if we are to avoid all manner of very certain undesirable eventualities. We just don't get it. Just how we'll support a burgeoning global population is among the most fundamental of questions that this science must anticipate and find answers for. Our failures in this regard will make the Bush screwups appear miniscule by comparison. Instead of tens of thousands of deaths globally there will be tens of millions whose lives can't be sustained for lack of food and shelter. Without clean and cheap energy, by mid-century we are going to be in big trouble. That is an absolute.
It's a shame that our wonderful Country needs to go to the Mid-East to disrupt the stability of the world and squander our wealth. Drastically cutting back on the Iraq war would free up funding for many domestic projects. Let's make a new start after the Bush administration has been thrown out.
We already know how to make energy without carbon emissions or Arab oil. It's called Fission. Why isn't that good enough? Don't you think that the problem of how to store the waste can be solved much faster and cheaper than how to produce Fusion power? Why do we always have to make problems more difficult than they really are?
no surprise to me, they keep cutting the budgets of NASA and other science departments, just look at the big hole in Texas that was canceled and is now home to mushroom farmers

it is a surprise that Obama would lead the drive to get funding since it was he that wanted to cut the NASA budget more and give it to education

the USA is getting to be the policeman of the world and we also send many billions of dollars to other countries, why can't we spend some of this money on science?
"Patched together by Congress" and signed by the President clearly signifies the complete lack of scientifc understanding by our nations leadership.  They gave away or allowed the demise of our industrial strength,we are almost a complete service economy, now they are giving away our scientific strength.

What a bunch of turkeys.  We elected them and the ones now running have no science background so here we go again.
This reminds me of our nation’s school system, choosing sports above music and science! It’s bad enough that were spending billions on a war that cannot be won but to cut spending on fusion research that could potently end the era of fossil fueled powered power plants is just unreasonable and backward. I do have hope that the end of the Bush administration will usher in a new administration that has the insight to reverse this downward spending trend towards science that potently bring us in to the 21 century with breakthroughs that will end our dependence on fossil fuels.
It's sad, but a fact of life that the world community has seen over and over. That is why they don't take our commitement seriously. I was at the Superconducting Supercollider which was ahead of schedule and under budget. It too was a political victim of an administration change...
During an election year Washington officials are looking for those who will get them re-elected.  The scientist community represents only a miniscule fraction of votes and therefore is not the priority for funding.  

To use the example cited in the linked story, just because DVDs are popular now doesn't mean I'm going to keep funding Einstein.  And frankly, Einstein is a bad example for he developed his theory on his own time, so why shouldn't we expect that from current physicists instead of paying for salaries and projects for decades with what in return?  I've heard for forty years now that fusion is 30yrs away, that solar power is 10-20yrs out, and that hypersonic or even space travel for the general population will happen in only 10-15yrs.

At least I can get a bridge to nowhere for my money.  It's something tangible and it creates jobs during the construction.  Science for science's sake is nice, but do it on your own time with your own money.  If you want public funding for high energy particle research, show me the economic impact in jobs and revenue of your program.  You want money to see the farthest galaxies?  Show me how a giant telescope in Chile directly benefits my household.

The science community has lost touch with the general population, and as result does not have the political backing for pure research projects.  Resurrect Carl Sagan and have him show how high energy physics is relevant to the average person.  And by the way, letting an exceptionally vocal group regularly thrash the deeply-held religious and moral beliefs of 85 to 90% of the population is not a good way to get the average person to open their wallets come funding time.
Apparently, spending hundreds of billions of dollars killing people in other countries means more to this Congress and administration than furthering our knowledge of physics (including alternative energies, of course).  
I'd be willing to bet that we could make up the physics funding shortfall by eliminating a few big ticket subsidies. Basic research is an investment in our futures and should not be sold short for quick votes. Write your congress-person and tell them so.
13 BILLION Dollar demonstration?  13$ BILLION? BILL YUN??? DEMONSTRATION?  "Thirteen" BILLION people, and to make what?  To figure out why matter exists?  So we can find out what some stuff we cant see turns into us and the world around us?  WHY on Earth should we waste 13 BILLION DOLLARS on a demonstration to figure that out?  Cant we use that 13 Billion to fix the housing crisis or something more significant than figuring out whos right or wrong about creation.  Lets face it thats what this is all about.

Captain Genius says:  "Were scientists and were going to prove God doesnt exist by spending billions of dollars to build this ginourmous paper weight to prove it and when we are done we are going to delay turning it on because of all the defects we were too smart to get right in the first place? Delay after delay will push using this billion dollar project so far back the youngest person on the project will fart dust when the switch is turned on"!

Captain Spirituality says: "OH YEAH, well were Christians who are going to show you that God made it all possible and that Gravity does not exist nor does matter in fact, we believe that you can find the Ark of Noah on the side of some hill no man can travel to and that we cannot have evolved from single cell organisms thats just lunacy"!

Im sick of hearing about this.  Why dont scientists figure out how to bring back the Electirc car and legalize the green matter on earth that makes EVERYONE happy, how about that!  

Yeah you never thought about that did you science freaks and religious zealots?  Legalize it and tax it and BLAMMO, BILLIONS more to sustain your jobs and build your fantasy machines.  

PS If you build it, I wont come! Unless it is a portal to unknown universes that can help me escape the wrath of marriage! Help a brother out Nerds!

This has been a public service announcement brought to you by a real person with real problems who can care less about whats going on outside the planet unless you want to send me to Mars please send me im ready for something new.  
Hmm, Durbin and Obama - both from Illinois. Special interests again? Science is important but not when the economy is slow for everyone else. In other words, those who fund your pet projects. Lean times for all is not a bad thing. It makes you appreciate what you have and not take your government handouts for granted. There is only so much science can do. So far, it hasn't put any more bread on my table than what would have happened 50 years ago. Basic necessities are more important. I can think of better areas of science to invest in other than this play in the sandbox stuff mentioned here. A little worry about their paycheck and job security, just like the rest of us, is a good thing.
It's confusing that this country prefers to slash science and technology funding.  The scale of these investments pales to the billions we give away in entitlement programs or blow up.  How else will we learn to make bigger bombs?  
We can have wars or we can have progress, we can't pay for both.  What's going to happen when ITER moves ahead without us as they will soon be forced to do?  Will we be left out of the single most important development in energy research?  Where are our scientists going to work - Germany?  This administration's reckless use of blank checks and horrendously expensive foriegn relations blunders can only lead to an exodus of skilled and talented individuals from this country.  Wake me on 01-20-09.
I have to agree with Quinlan.  The current administration claims to want to get America off our oil addiction.  If it would only put money where it would do the most good.  If we were able to advance fusion power as well as more passive power sources (solar and wind), that would give America a great advantage.  We could sell the technology to various other countries.  

Some corporate bigwigs, their lobbists as well as their congressional and presidential stoogies have stopped any money that could lead to the advances we need.  So much for the administration's commitment to protecting America.
Congress cut the budget because our government already knows more than the scientists. They control everything how fast technology and science moves.

I'll respond to a couple of things here:

R. Siskel would like more context about trends in funding for science projects. I generally don't get into the specifics of multiyear spending, maybe I should provide a little more about that. But the AAAS does such a good job of tracking R&D spending year over year that it's better just to link to their policy analyses. For example, they've just taken a look at the effect of earmarks on R&D spending. In the Energy Department's case, the amount devoted to earmarks jumped from about $174 million in the FY2008 Senate version to about $348 million in the final version:

http://www.aaas.org/news/releases/2008/0108rnd.shtml

That's a 100 percent increase and goes a long way to explaining the nasty surprises for the DOE's research labs. Total Energy R&D was cut by more than $300 million. In all, there were nearly $1 billion in earmarks added to the federal R&D budget. 

This year was a special case, because of the delay in approving the budget this year. This meant spending was governed for the first three months by a continuing resolution. But the general trend for federal research spending has been downward in real terms. Here's how the AAAS put it:

"The federal research investment would decline in real terms for the fourth year in a row. Total federal R&D (including development) would increase 1.2 percent to $142.7 billion. In jettisoning most of the $22 billion in domestic spending added in earlier appropriations bills, the omnibus bill would subtract roughly $2 billion from earlier appropriations for nondefense R&D. Although most R&D funding agencies would still receive increases, several key R&D agencies would fall behind the 2.4 percent expected inflation rate."

http://www.aaas.org/spp/rd/

We all have preferences on how our federal tax dollars might be spent, and your preferences might not be the same as mine. I'm just noting that the latest reversals in spending patterns are having a very real impact on hundreds of scientists and engineers who are being laid off, as well as America's prestige in the global scientific community.

As to inertial electrostatic (or electrodynamic) containment fusion, noted by M. Simon, it would be wrong to say I'm totally ignorant of what's going on there. I'm still in the learning curve, and am hoping to talk with the folks who are carrying on Dr. Bussard's work down in New Mexico. I've been interested in this approach ever since I met Tom Ligon and want to be more fully informed before I write about IEC (and other initiatives in fusion technology). In the meantime, you can learn more about IEC from http://www.emc2fusion.org/ or from M. Simon's IEC Fusion Tech blog: http://iecfusiontech.blogspot.com/

Very unfortunate to read about cut-backs in a field that should be a major focus for the US government.  US Government cut-backs already effected the TRIUMF particle accelerator program that's set up in Vancouver British Columbia, and now this.  I don't understand how the American people can stand idly by while such abominations are happening.  The insatiable budget set aside for "counter-terrorism" overseas probably could have paid for several key scientists salaries in the time it takes me to write this blog.
I'll also mention that the $13 billion ITER project is aimed at opening the way to commercial fusion power, and not "a portal to unknown universes." There may be other, cheaper approaches to fusion (or fission, for that matter) that can make power technology affordable (and cleaner), but the fact is that the U.S. government has committed to supporting ITER and will have to decide whether it's going to follow through on that commitment or let other countries spend their money without us (and reap whatever benefit accrues).
Unknown universes would be totally cool would it not?  Id rather see 13Billion spent on that than some demonstration of some "EXPERIMENTAL" ideas about how they can contain fusion reactors?  Spider-Man already saved us once from Doc Oc. on this did he not?  Did we not see that it is next to impossible?  

Now 13 Billion? How can we distriubute this to fix the problems here on EARTH people?  

1) Give me a million or two for coming up with this idea

2) Put a BILLION back into our school systems so we dont see the closing of these schools like we saw in California and give the kids a chance to learn and become scientists like your dumb a55eS who are scientists, but believe more in your theories rather than helping the youth become astronauts and such...

3) Put a billion into AIDS and Cancer research or is trying to create Anti-matter? or Fusion? more important than losing your wives and mothers to breast cancer?

4) Ohhh let's see now we only have 11 Billion left minus my idea fees.

5) What can we possibly do with all that money, oh I dont know, help bring our troops back home, protect our country, help the peoples lives we destroyed in Iraq and help out in Africa I mean the list goes on and you would probably still have change left for a Double Burger at McDonalds if you were smart.  

Im glad they cut the funding, I will be happier when they actually spend money on things that will help us in the NOW days rather than assuming these technologies will dramatically change the world we live in.  

We were cavemen once according to science we can do it again.  We have ocean currents and Wind generators to supply us with power for the next millinium so why even bother with fusion scary nightmare reactors?  
Power destroys human values and morals and we forget to remind ourselves what is more important when we look at the "evolution" of the planet we call Earth or as we humans, who actually strive with less than a dollar in our pocket each day, like to call Earth!
When we eventually discover that alternative fuel source from our scientific adventures (It's there if we can think it), we would create havoc on our economy if we introduced it to the public whole hog.
The key phrase is "go low and slow" when introducing anything.  When we really need that energy "break through", it will be there, in full operation and stabilizing the economy as it comes to fruitation. The goals of any nation's scientific endeavors are long term.  Any short term solution is just letting the folks get a "little dirty" in the scheme of things. Making people think they have control over their own destinys. The think tanks have all the scenarios in the world worked out. Our future in this country has been written.  As we progress through time, we will find out what it is that the government has in store for us. It will be, no doubt, for the "common good".  What makes the common individual person mad about this whole idea is they don't get to be the ones saying what it is we will be doing 30 years from now. We just get frustrated in having to wait and see.
Bush and his "pets" in Congess have managed, once agin, to prolong the monopolistic behavior of the nation's oil companies.

What better way to help big oil than to help make sure science like this gets put on the back burner. Fusion research limps along waiting for some really perceptive politicians to come to office. How sad.
Ah yes, another brilliant move by the US Congress. When science, and in particular physics, does not quickly produce the Next Quick Fix, and when it is not Faith Based, CUT!

The US government, run by corporate special interest, is well on its way to make US the first Corporatist State. And we know well what that means - OUTSOURCE!

Let see: It has outsourced 50% of Iraq war to buddies in the private sector. It has outsourced 100% of Katrina relief to private companies. It has outsourced much of border control. It has outsourced the public school system and much of health care.

Now, it is outsourcing fundamental science. To the private sector? No way. What company would waste billions hiring thousands of the most highly qualified scientists. (Their CEOs will get murdered by Wall Street!) Of course, outsourced to China. China is spending billions on science and love to welcome thousands of brilliant PhDs to the Land Of The Future. A land where scientists are admired, respected, and look up to to bring hope and solutions to many of mankind challenges. No Next Quick Fix is required in a land where Long Term is backed by history.

Thank you thank you Uncle Sam!!
Thanks for the article.

The main issue has been the lack of timely work by congress for two years in a row on budgets. Continuing resolutions do not allow for "growth" in budgets as they are tied to the previous fiscal year funding.  Growth in any one program within DOE budgets comes at the expense of others.  Because earmarks were allowed back into the continuing resolution this year, these also came at the expense of other programs, and reduced DOE flexibility in how it spends the money.  

Until we get out of the continuing resolution cycle of the last two years the science budget of the US cannot grow in real (inflation adjusted) dollars.  There have been reprioritzations of the budget to more nearterm energy solutions (e.g. cellulosic ethanol, hydrogen, etc) that have likely cost the basic physics programs money.

This is good or bad depending on your chosen scientific field.  I work as a microbiologist on bioenergy issues.  So you can guess my bias...
I have skimmed the above articles and comments and it is all dizzying.  Perhaps the world has always been this way and we just have better means communicating our stress.  So what do we do?  We know that insanity and lack of reason is predominant and that policy, behavior and consequences are typically bizzare.  And we watch as the wealth and quality of our USA are squandered.  

But we do have choices.  We can apply our reason, actions and thought to ourselves (Psych 101) and communicate with others who are also reason driven.  Hopefully at some point in the future, reason and integrity may prevail and will be available because we collectively nurtured it in our grass roots.  It will be available for our USA when the winds of foolishness have been spent and without result.  So back to the only real resource that we have, our collective but reasoned brains
First of all, the damage done to our economy by the science contingent in the US is just the tip of the iceberg. The physics departments have taken the meanderings and theories of men for decades and made "Laws" of physics that they consistently find flawed and put patch after patch on their processes and refuse to stand for anything except their "Learned Science" There is no value to the projects that were deleted,just as there is no value to the money that is being spent on Climate Science and the Global Warming fiasco. But spend they do,and never do the proper thing and put a complete train system in to place to reduce the carbon by products depleting our oxygen.Congestion goes to zero everywhere,people and factories are put to work and our highways last at least twice as long with my plan as all freight is moved with an ingenious scenario on the rails without putting everyone out of work.Fusion just does not work,or it would be fact everywhere, some say,but many have made invention after invention that are not alive today,but the "Accepted" science boys get funding to go in circles and the net result is no forward movement.There are facts of the universe that the physics men do not know,and refuse to even contemplate because funding is tasked to the "Science Controllers" Hydrogen can be made with a tone,frequency,and is severely stalled because as Mr. JP Morgan so famously said long ago,we cannot charge for free energy,and so that is how it has stayed.The power company men decide the science of energy,and use every process at their disposal to keep that petroleum flowing,including war after war to keep their hegemony over any petroleum holding country.  We all know it,and until we fight as a group and insist that the hydrogen information be released,we will just deplete and deplete as a country.I am not talking about fuel cells and I surely dont want to hear about any of you supposed physics boys conservation of energy songs. NOT A ONE OF YOU KNOW EARTH SCIENCE,COSMOLOGY,or ASTROPHYSICS. Not a one of you. How arrogant you will say of me,and my retort is "Why will no Physics man or woman even respond to any treatise I display" with  out just attacking and spewing their mathematical gibberish and their Einsteinian and Hawkingesque GARBAGE.The universe is a mechanical engineered system,and the evidence is all about them on display everyday of the Grid Science of our planet.There is not a human cause to the global warming fiasco on the planet that has cost us billions and still no train system to alleviate that "Supposed" problem.A Grid Scientist such as myself can completely explain that warming process,but the "Accepted" men just go deaf because they are tasking for the money and "Choose" to not be anything other than in lock step.So of course I say get rid of all of those "Theoretical Physicists " and their boondoogle pet projects,how long have we paid for them and received "NOTHING" Just more jibberish that political men cannot wade through the garbage,and so get hustled into supporting the Harrumph of the Phd. Boys.Jupiter makes the hydrogen in our universe to power the sun and the stars,it makes a gas with a tone. The sky is blue from the oxygens that are supplied to this planet certainly not plants,as I can easily explain the carbohydrate genesis through a plant,and would be called a heretic by those mushroom physics boys who prefer the dark with their photosynthesis "Theory" that they  now presume to be in evidence as facts.  Grid Science men such as myself have not been able to challenge them UNTIL NOW.The same frequency can and is used to make hydrogen as much as is needed,without of course electrolysis,although some have used that process with "Radio frequency" to propagate abundant hydrogen without running afoul of the physics boys conservation of energy. But most of those folks are either dead or very sick thanks to you know who.This old Grid Scientist will task and task until we repair the loop that we were all handed and most are so frustrated, and just have the empty promies of this program after that program,without any energy repair.
This is the best thing that could happen to science.  JK from Syracuse notes that the US manufacturing and economy in general is no longer as competitive as before, without much in the way of evidence and without noting that it started downhill when the government got into funding basic research, and that the lack of competitiveness in the US economy is due to the GOVERNMENT overspending for the last 30 years and running up a huge debt that is now coming due.  Maybe if the science budgets had been slashed then, the US economy would be a little more competitive.

Dr To has a problem with corporatists cutting science budgets, apparently the good doctor would rather those same lobbyists be the ones to determine what is good science.

Science and research is a self-organizing behavior.  It will find all the money it needs if left to the free market, philantropy, and higher education.  Of the government contributions, most not only pursue political ends rather than scientific ones, but also keep some of the best minds of our generation bogged down in bureaucracy and dead-end jobs programs.  The small percentage of federal programs that are in fact useful would find a better home elsewhere, especially if research and development were tax shields.  As Mr. Boyle said, everyone has his or her own idea on how federal funds should be spent.  But a lot of us feel they shouldn't be spent, and that they're not "federal funds" at all - they are, quite simply, stolen goods.
Ah yes, dropping back on ITER yet again.  It's amazing that ANYONE would want us as an international partner on any project.  

Alan, there really needs to be a report on how often and much the US starts a project only to scale it back or cancel it.  ITER itself was redesigned to be smaller than expected in the 90s.  The 10-15 years we've lost since the design was actually completed could be the death knell for us all.  I'm more of a solar and ultra-capacitor battery person, but fusion technology really needs to be vigorously explored!
As I read the comments to the article, I'm amazed at the number of ignorant comments people have made as to the lack of benefit for funding science.  It is because of science (and the very programs that have been cut) that we can sit here and make comments for everyone to read.  Science gave birth to the internet out of a need for a way for scientists to effiecently share results of the High Energy Physics (HEP)experiments across the world.  It's purpose was to create a tool for collaboration.  In response to comments like "If you want public funding for high energy particle research, show me the economic impact in jobs and revenue of your program."  Isn't the positive impact of the world wide web and internet enough????
Since the democrats took over Congress the budgets are late. You got what you wished for. Next time (November) think twice before voting for a democrat.
How much does it cost to maintain a carrier battle group(or two)? How much does it cost to defend oil? If this cost was added to the price of oil everyone would see how viable alternate energy really is. How sad that research into the ultimate solution to the US and worlds energy problems can't scrape together what would be a drop in the military's budget to defend the status quo.
A one-time $13 billion is a tiny amount of money in terms of the national budget.  Its about $43 dollars per American. Its about two thirds of what we spend every year on the Pell Grant.  Its about 5% of what the Iraq and Afghanistan conflicts have cost.  I think it is unfortunate that the US has decided to watch from the sidelines - as we will do when other countries across the globe become leaders in science and technology.  Such standing still is the sort of thing that got the middle east where it is today.

These budget cuts are overdue. All you guys failed to look at the reasons for the cuts in America and England. The reasons were clearly stated. But "scientists" still continue to whine publicly about how they don't understand what happened. In England the reason was that it is impossible to believe that projects like the International Linear Collider would be completed on schedule. In the States, the reason was that outfits like fermilab could not articulate any scientifilc RESULTS that would justify the budget. The LHC is currently 2.5 years over schedule. The May start date is again untenable because of further demonstrations of crass incompetence or more accurately bad faith management.

You "scientists" want money? It's easy. Stay on schedule, stay on budget, and produce RESULTS. AND REMEMBER: THESE FACILITIES ARE EXPERIMENTS NOT JOB CREATION TOOLS THAT ALLOW YOU TO PARASITE ALONG UNTIL YOU RETIRE. Without RESULTS, you PHD is worth less than a piece of used toilet paper. Hear that Fermilab? Measurements of what the Higgs boson is NOT are just not acceptable to justify further funding.

Hear that


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