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Space vs. education?

Posted: Monday, November 26, 2007 7:41 PM by Alan Boyle

Democratic presidential candidate Barack Obama’s education policy is causing a stir … but not all in a good way. Advocates for space exploration are noting with dismay that he’d take billions of dollars from NASA to pay for the educational programs he'd like to expand.

The shift from exploration to education came last week when Obama talked up his $18 billion education plan during a New Hampshire campaign swing. Actually, the reference to NASA comes at the end of a 15-page document laying out the details behind the plan (PDF file):

"The early education plan will be paid for by delaying the NASA Constellation Program for five years, using purchase cards and the negotiating power of the government to reduce costs of standardized procurement, auctioning surplus federal property, and reducing the erroneous payments identified by the Government Accountability Office, and closing the CEO pay deductibility loophole. ..."

The Constellation Program is NASA's $104 billion effort to send astronauts back to the moon in the 2018-2020 time frame, as an initial step toward wider space exploration and settlement. Although the policy paper doesn't lay out the figures, our own First Read political blog said Obama would keep Constellation on a $500 million-per-year maintenance diet during the five-year delay - with the implication that the timeline would be shifted to 2023-2025 for the first 21st-century moon landing.

The first years of an Obama administration would be particularly critical for NASA, because that's the time frame during which the shuttle fleet is due to retire. The schedule already calls for the space agency to hitch rides into orbit on other people's spaceships for up to four years, and if Obama follows through that gap could go for years longer - even assuming that Constellation goes into hurry-up mode if and when the budgetary spigots are opened wider.

USA Today quoted the Illinois senator as defending his plan to put NASA's vision on hold: "We're not going to have the engineers and the scientists to continue space exploration if we don't have kids who are able to read, write and compute," he said.

Over the long Thanksgiving weekend, space activists have had a lot of time to chew over Obama's views - and as you might expect, it's not to their taste.

"That would be very destructive," rocket scientist Robert Zubrin, the president of the Mars Society, told me today. "There's so much more we could do for education by having a visionary space program than by just throwing it away into the educational bureaucracy."

If anything, the focus of the Constellation Program should be shifted to a more ambitious goal of Martian exploration, Zubrin said. (What else would you expect?)

"That would send a message to every young person, saying 'learn your math and science, and you can be part of this important new challenge,'" he said.

My space-blogging brethren took a similar tack:

  • Rand Simberg's Transterrestrial Musings: "NASA's money is not well spent, but I'd rather see a policy debate on how it could be spent to get better results in terms of NASA's charter, than whether or not they should have it."

  • Clark Lindsey's RLV and Space Transport News: "I would prefer that a President Obama offer a smarter manned program rather [than] a minimized manned program."

  • Loretta Hidalgo Whitesides at Wired Science: "Such a delay would result in a loss of capability as the workforce with the knowledge to build spacecraft will not be around when you want to hire them in 2020, and there will be few to train any students coming out of the education pipeline."

  • Ferris Valyn at the Daily Kos: "Project Constellation ... is full of problems, so much so that I would seriously recommend starting over with a new plan (ideally one that embraces the New Space industry). And that may be the senator's position, but he hasn't yet fully fleshed it out. The other alternative is that perhaps he is actively trying to get rid of manned spaceflight."

Jeff Foust's Space Politics blog rounds up reaction from various quarters of the political spectrum - and even better, notes the other presidential candidates' positions on space policy (or lack thereof). So far, Hillary Clinton has said the most on the subject, and is generally supportive of the current approach to human spaceflight (for good or ill). Other candidates have made less specific statements of support, leaving Obama standing apart as the only candidate to take a shot at NASA's budget.

Is that a good thing or a bad thing? In the comments section below, tell me which candidate will do the right thing when it comes to space policy, on the military side as well as the civilian side (and even the UFO side).

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Manned spaceflight to the moon and mars is a huge waste of money. There is far more bang for the buck in unmanned spaceflight. End project constellation and expand unmanned spaceflight.
Now lets think about this... Who came first the chicken or the egg right... thats what's going on here. well I am here to say, So far we haven't needed sum multi-million dollar educational thing to produce rocket scientist or astronauts. Why would we need it now. People make whatever they want out of themselves. If a child dreams to be an astronaut, it is his own passion that drives him there. We are using up our resources we take for granted, so the faster we're off this dying planet the quicker we can habit another one.  Barack Obama you are a fool.
You've got to be kidding me.  A nation that spends $17 Billion a year on PET FOOD (out of $40 Billion per year on pet products), has to plunder their $12 Billion space program that's already at minimal funding?  Apparently he's not got a clue that the Chinese, Russians, and Europeans would take this 5-year hiatus and leap-frog our manned space-lift capabilities, as well as control our access to orbit and the "high ground" during that entire timeframe.  
No wonder this guy needs Oprah to hold his hand during the primaries...
THe fact the no candidate will attempt to excite the country about its own future is another example of mainstream thinking that we're all doomed.  Throwing more money into a program that doesn't work efficiently is a continuation of the typical goverment waste (I'm speaking about education).
Obama has a lot of good ideas, but this isn't really one of them. I am a big fan of Obama AND the private space industry and believe NASA's money could be far better spent overseeing an expanded COTS program and buying rides to space from American firms instead of Russia. That being said, the idea that $500 Million a year is going to do anything other than waste $, time and any technology lead the US has in space is wishful thinking. He needs to come up with a policy statement better than "we're going to take from NASA and give to schools". As someone who is considering voting for Obama (or Ron Paul, I'm a little eclectic), I hope he puts more effort into thinking about where he is going to take this country.
NASA's manned space program, be it Constellation, a beefed up COTS overseen by NASA for the public interest, or in some as yet unseen version, is a very necessary program. We have a large enough trade and tech gap with Asia right now that we cannot sit around and allow the future of space resources (Helium-3, water ice, nickel-iron) be decided by the Indians, Chinese and a resurgent Russia. As Vladimir Putin signs an agreement stating Russia is investing in a new space launch site, China announces they are teaming with Russia and India to explore the Moon, and Australia is teaming with Japan to study hypersonic tech that may lead to new non-rocket launch vehicles to space, we cannot start talking about gutting NASA.
Our private space industry is in its infancy, and it needs NASA's support. Look at Bigelow Aerospace, using licensed NASA tech to launch two successful "mini-space stations" into orbit (on Russian rockets I might add). California firm SpaceX is on the edge of lowering rocket launch costs by an order of a magnitude. Now is the time to come up with cogent arguments for how NASA's money can better be spent within the framework of its charter; its not the time to start taking cheap shots to garner votes. A real leader will step forward and pronounce their vision, not leave it in the fine print on page 15 of a press release. I look forward to Obama outlining his vision for a future NASA. The American people are watching.
I think it's ironic that the Democrats are supposed to be opposed to the $450billion+ war in Iraq yet one of their frontrunners instead chooses to take money away from the $104billion (spread over decades) constellation program that could enrich lives, instead of destroy them.

Also, of course it's good that some high profile political figures taking a stab at the UFO phenomenon. No matter what is really behind the phenomenon, it's clear that the government has not been truthful about it.
Democrats solution to any problem is throw money and grow government and hope it goes away like war on poverty.  You'd think after 35 years there would be no poverty!  Barry Hussein Obama wants to scuttle the meager space program and throw that money to education and hopes it fixes it. Since the last successful government program was "Man on the Moon". I think his vision is is 180 degrees off course.    
The Democratic party and Sen Obama solution to almost everything is to throw money and hopes the problem will go away. Take the "War on Poverty", you would think that after 35 years and Billion of $ the problem would be solved.  Now, Sen. Obama proposes to scuttle the space program and divert its funds to education.  the last successful government program was "Man on the Moon" and that was over 35 years ago.  With the Government's track record, I think Sen. Obama's plan is 180 degrees off course.
Why do people keep forgetting the monumental strides in technology that arose from the manned space program?  The computer we have today, you know the little box that can be carried around in a briefcase today but the same machine used to fill and entire building and wasn't even close to the capability, was technology that was pushed to help control the space crafts.  The dominoe affect in other technology has helped mankind significantly: MRI, CAT scans, cell phones, GPS, iPods, etc.  The benefits in the medical field alone warrant or putting more funds into NASA's hands.  
NASA's budget is one half of one percent of the national budget. I don't get where people think they have this huge budget. They don't. Thye do amazing things with what they have. It's not the 1960s anymore.

We're right on track to becoming a has-been nation of idiots. Sure, let's gut NASAs minisucle budget and throw it at the national educational black hole of no results.

So, enjoy stuffing your face with big macs while other nations plant their flags on mars.
The current implementation of the Vision for Space Exploration, otherwise known as ESAS, is a huge boondoggle. At first blush, Obama's plan is good because it would likely terminate NASA's current efforts. Perhaps the shock would shake NASA to adopt a more affordable and immediate approach using EELVs or COTS-derived launch systems. It would also probably force the current Administrator, Mike Griffin, out of the picture and lead to a more realistic and ultimately inspiring approach for crewed space exploration.
Just like a liberal to want to take money from a program that would produce new technology and resources and give it to the teachers unions to "educate" our children.

Double the funding of NASA, then hold them AND the teachers accountable for the product they produce!!

When the teachers of this country get our students back on top of the worlds education system, THEN give them a raise.
Ridiculous.  Why is that NASA is always the go-to whenever money needs to be skimmed from government agencies to fund other government initiatives?  NASA's budget is PALTRY to begin with.  There are other massive pork-barrels (like the hundreds-of-billions-of-dollars-a-year US military budget) that can easily be skimmed to pay for  an "education upgrade".  Also, there are PLENTY of math and science capable American students graduating from colleges these days for NASA to pick and choose from.  And the sad reality is, throwing more money at education isn't going to help, because we've been there, have been doing that for years now.  The system has to change, not the amount of money.  And certainly not NASA's budget.
I was considering voting for Obama, but now I realize how truly immature his world view is. He don't understand education (more money isn't going to solve that problem), nor the long term value an inspirational and vigorous space exploration program can mean to students. Obviously, Obama wasn't studying math or science in high school. Sad, he's just a conventional politician.
The Nasa budget, (now some $16,000,000,000)is more than adequate.
However, Nasa continues to squander a large portion of their budget on pointless programs,like human crewed space flight, ISS,and the shuttle.
The Constellation Program is another example of a pointless, make-work project. It should be canceled as soon as possible.
The frequent talk we hear about the "New Space Industry" is (with the exception's of communication,weather and Earth resources) is largely fantasy. It's all smoke and mirrors. Silly talk about space tourism and colonization is just plain unrealistic.
Nasa should concentrate on exploration to be sure. However this can and should be done with robotic spacecraft. Robots can do the job much more safely and far less expensively.      
I honestly hoped that Obama might have a handle on what is good for America. Obviously he will never be any JFK. What is wrong with America? Have we completely lost our ability to produce leaders with vision? Fifty years ago when I was a young man, you could just about mention anything and America was best at "that." Now we are seven trillion dollars in debt, bogged down in a war we can't win, or get out of, our schools now rank about eighteenth from being the best in the World, and Space Exploration is about the only thing we excel at, and our politicians want to scuttle that advantage? America is rapidly degenerating, and it is time we turn this pitiful situation around. You want to save America? I'll tell you how to save her, Vati. Just Vote Against The Incumbents. Don't matter which party is in, kick them all out. If just ten percent of us would Vati, we would kick out at least 25% of the House and Senate, and we would get their attention. Big Business now runs America, but we still get to vote and can take the reins of government back, no matter how many millions Big Business spends to buy our politicians.
I agree completely with what Sean O has said.  Senator Obama's statements have made me reconsider my support of his candicy.  Reducing support of one of the more visible and productive uses of a sound education hardly seems an appropriate approach to inspire a new generation.  My personal experience, in high school, was watching the first moon landing and then running outside to stare at that same moon - wondering which engineering school to attend. And when I got there, I ran into a lot of other young men and women that did the same thing. You Tube videos and PowerPoint are not nearly as exciting to a young mind as a countdown and the knowledge that there could be a spot for you in the future.

Particularly troubling in his approach is that we are watching new exciting players in the space industry; some of whom may/will be successful in making radical changes in the cost model for space access. Obama does not acknowledge the NASA COTS effort or suggest a change to take increased advantage of it.  He aparently sees US manned space flight merely as some cells on a spreadsheet that can be moved to other locations to increase a vote total on another worksheet.  We need better leadership than that.  I'm willing to give him (or his campaign) a 2nd chance, but his position doesn't make enough sense to get my vote right now.  This is a no-brainer; if you can't get this right Senator, what else are you missing?
I'll just leave the good Senator one last tidbit from my public education experience: I remember the names (and significance) of people like Columbus, Magellan, Lewis and Clark, and the Wright brothers ... but for the life of me, I cannot remember the President of the Flat Earth Society (although I do see it on Wikipedia) - perhaps that will become a new area of emphasis in Senator Obama's plan for education.
Well, I guess that means that should, goodness forbid, that Obama got the Democratic nomination, I'd vote Republican for the first (and likely only) time. What an idiot!
NASA's budget should be expanded, not cut--it's fought the bogey-man  of "the budget is tight this year" since Apollo years. I won't be casting my vote for Obama unless he changes his mind on this very very soon.
What happened to the Senates of old?  There used to be debates worthy of the American people.  Now, instead of visionaries, we have lawyers that simply want to keep their jobs from election to election. 

We need to get back to dreamers.  We need to get back to Senators that understand we all want to build a better life for our kids and grandchildren.  We can't educate our children properly if we don't have a vision of where we as a people are going. 

I don't particularly like the Moon plan.  We've already been there.  I don't even like the Mars plan since we can't play softball - there are no grass, trees, facilities and bat warranties would be invalid.   

What we need is a bigger Mars.   

That or another large vision is what we need.  Let's look at it this way.  Which would you rather have our future generations do?  1) Work in a Wal-Mart oriented society for a million years, or 2) work in a scientific environment mining the Kuiper belt to build a bigger Mars? 

I simply see no benefit to human growth in the Wal-Mart society we've built for ourselves.  Sure things are cheaper to buy today.  However, additional education is valued so little that kids without a college education can often do just as well despite what certain statistics say.  I've got 4 kids with varying college interest so I know something about the situation. 

I would say to Obama, you show me the scientific opportunities and I'll get my kids educated in that direction.  Otherwise, if he just wants to play in a rock band, that's probably better than truck driving or slinging drinks at Starbucks.
I think maybe ending the war would free up more cash than cutting NASA measly budget...
To everyone who is looking at Obama, but is turned off by this proposal - I would suggest that instead of being opposed to Obama, it might make more sense to contact him through his answer center (or call his campaign office) and demand that he develop a space policy.  Say what you want about this plan, but its not a space policy - its an educational policy.

What the Senator needs to do is clarify his position on space and space policy.  And to that end, I suggest you go to his answer center, which has a URL of http://action.barackobama.com/page/s/suggestquestion , and suggest that he speak to and develop a space policy.  Alternatively, you can do what I did, and open a blog on Obama's campaign website, demanding a space policy.  (the Url for my blog at the Obama campaign website is http://my.barackobama.com/page/community/blog/FerrisValyn

The point I am trying to make is, don't write Obama off.  What we need to do is contact him, and get him to craft a space policy.  Actually, it wouldn't be a bad idea to do this to all presidential candidates (or  if your like me, all the presidential candidates in your party) and demand that they have a space policy.
stop squawking...if NASA goes broke in the name of education, we'll get somewhere via free enterprise, and there's some possibility that young people will know why...not much of a possibility mind you, but...ya never know
I'm a democrat, but this idea from obama is ludicrous, Nasa buget is less than 1% of the GNP. Our educational system has failed becuase of to many groups wanting a piece of the rock, nothing is standard , teachers are working 6 hour days and they refuse to take responsibilities and teach.My kids go to school and watch Transformers instead of learning history, they get homework once a week.  The system has more than enought money. If you look at it there are countrys in africa with 5% of the buget doing a better job because they are teaching what is necessary instead of what the parent and the PTA dictates. We need to get back to basics. instead of watering down every subject.    
the war is being fought with borrowed funds. when does that payback come?  the social security admin is broke( because of unpaid loans to other agencies),  so lets borrow from nasa....how can this make sense to any one other that a carreer politician?  let's kick the incumbents out again and start over.
I had been on the fence between Clinton and Obama in the past.  Not anymore.  I'm very disappointed in Obama's shortsightedness here on the Space Program.  Our future is in the future, not the past.

Clinton now has my full support.
Why do we foolishly continue to build upward when we know our foundation is rooting away. The space program has driven technology through necessity. Should we focus our attentions on our foundation and develop technologies to reduce our dependence on oil, homelessness, education, crime, drug abuse, diplomacy..... would we not become a stronger people. Would it not be great if the rest of the world looked up to us for being leaders the way we pretend they do. What good does it do us to go to the moon and beyond knowing full well the economics of developing these resources is likely thousands of years away. By this time our foundation will have crumbled to dust. Lets redirect NASA to solving todays problems before it is to late. Light speed my friends.
A bigger silver spoon won't make kids any more eager to eat.  But how many countless engineers found their calling after sputnik or Apollo?

I agree that there is plenty of money tied up in wars I am not interested in.
Interesting how none of our republican friends today have pointed out what a collossal waste of money S.D.I. is while griping about Democrat's misplaced priorties. We're not fighting the cold war anymore even though Bush insists on further annoying the world by deploying a deeply flawed technology that was designed for use on an adversary that no longer exists and we should use the Strategic Defense Initiative budget to augment and supplemant the space program. As for education, our current system is based entirely on teaching a standardized test and subjects have been cut to be able to afford to teach that test because, as usual, Bush plans are long on mandates and short on funding. We need to ditch standardized testing and go back to fundamentals. It seems like peoples' solution to education is always to throw more money at it, the fact that it never works notwithstanding. Here's an idea: Rather than spending billions annually on a defense strategy whose usefulness went away with the Soviet Union and hundreds of billions annually on a failed war and occupation that was in it's essence a personal vendetta as admitted to by the president, we could fund NASA and education fully. That's the difference between Liberals, Conservatives and Progressives: The Liberals and Conservatives are involved in a tit for tat, we win you lose trip and have been for decades. We Progressives feel like things could be done a whole lot smarter but we can't get anything done because whether the country moves right of left, we run into the same problem: Inflexible Ideology. As for Obama, I can't in good conscience vote for anybody who is anti space program. I hate to be the one to point this out but our planet has reached it's limit and a first class education won't make one whit of difference when your kids don't have a safe environment in which to live.
This isn't so much a debate about which is more important, education or space exploration, as it is a chance to look at funding and finding it an appropriate path to take.  Both of these issues are important, and I think Obama really needs to look at what can and can't be accomplished, and what NEEDS to be accomplished.
Senator Obama could not be more wrong. Cutting the NASA budget will only result in a further weakening of the international reputation of the United States. Meanwhile China will claim the Moon as it's territory, a disaster of unfathomable proportions and the teachers union will continue to dominate America’s school systems.

This is nothing but a shallow, calculated political move to offer a bribe to the AFT, at the expense of the least represented constituency, space exploration enthusiasts.
Obama's right, we all should have just frakin stayed in Africa!  Then everything would be fine... just fine...
I don't understand how it costs 100 billion dollars and 10 more years to get us back to the moon when todays technology is orders of magnitude more advanced than it was when we first went to the moon.

I have to agree with Obama on this one. Our money would be better spent educating our children for the global workforce, which at the current pace they are not going to be able to compete in, and solving our energy and environmental problems. Manned space flight can wait.
democrats are all for the people and social programs, and not having anything to do with science programs

it does not surprise me that he wants to do this, but it is wrong, wrong, wrong

nasa has already been cut to the bone and they have lost a lot of brain power from retirements, people that have not been replaced

BATF classified APCP rocket propellant as an explosive and thus many kids cannot have access to larger rocket motors to even do their own experimentation

chemistry sets have been neutered, go look at one and see the stupid experiments that you can do in today's new world of terrorism and trying to protect people from hurting themselves
What idiocy!

and to those who say cut manned flight and spend it on unmanned probes, I want to know whay good is it to know the geology of Titan if no human will step foot there?

The only true value in unmanned missions are as precursors to manned spaceflight.

Without the latter, the former is a near-total waste.
Sen. Obama is completely clueless when he talks about gutting the manned space program to pay for education. What does he think "inspired" a generation of first time college graduates? The race to the moon, that's what senator! Then again he doesn't exactly inspire much in the way of loyalty to the U.S.A. when he opens his mouth. If he had been in the Whitehouse instead of Pres. Kennedy, not only wouldn't we have beat the Soviets to the Moon we would have laid down our defenses and said "can't we all just get along"? This guy is bad news for this country! Not only does he NOT belong in the Oval Office he doesn't belong in Congress!!!
Senator Obama seems to be a good and intelligent man, and as a parent I applaud his desire to do something about the sorry state of education in this country.  However, I am not sure that throwing more money at it is the appropriate exercise.  And even if throwing money at that problem was the correct solution, I don't believe there is enough money in the NASA coffers to make a difference.  

NASA on the other hand, already does NOT have enough money.  It is a pretty sad state of affairs that we have achieved none of our original goals for space.  We have no moon colonies, nor even a permanent base, we don't have much of a space station, we haven't even made it to mars yet.  We truly have had no spectacular successes in space in a long time.  Taking money away from NASA will simply cost jobs, and increase the technology gap that we are already suffering.  

Mr. Obama needs to rethink his stance, and reformulate what he sees as needs for education AND space.  And see what else he can come up with to push the DESIRE to be educated ... Oceanic Exploration?  SETI?  Where are the goals for the US as a Nation to inspire people... sigh...
Throwing money into educational programs solves nothing.  Let the teachers teach, and one day we may see some improvement.  It's like the "No Child Left Behind" program in that it sounds good, but solves nothing.  People can also learn on their own if they have a passion for it.  In Jr. High, I took the ACT and had a 32.  It was the only time I took it.  I slept through my classes and maintained a B average in high school.  The education system is a joke.  I couldn't skip grades or graduate early because no child can be left behind.  That also holds back your more intelligent kids.  I went on to college for a semester, but I couldn't handle failing a final because I was right and the professor was wrong.  I even proved I was right.  So I quit college, got a job, and make more than my wife does.  She's got a bachelor's and $30k in debt for attending a state university.  She works a job that requires labor, and I sit around all day hoping there is a problem with the network I run (to give me something to do).
Here's why we should have a manned space programme. Scenario 1. We land a man (or woman) on Mars. National pride and patriotism go up. Children are inspired to go into math, science, and engineering, America begins to regain its technological edge in the world. Scenario 2. We cut the manned space programme. We land a robot on Mars. Yippie Skippie. Nothing changes, Americans aren't inspired, the Chinese and Russians return men to the Moon and land on Mars, we loose our technological edge.
It was the late Robert A Heinlein who once pointed out that the laws of nature are not the property of any one group or society; they belong to anyone who is prepared to make use of them.
I believe that he was thinking mainly of the Japanese at the time, but the emergence of China and India simply makes the warning more pressing.
He also pointed out that the Earth is simply far too small and fragile a basket for the human race to continue to keep all of its eggs in - a claim for which there is a great deal of evidence, and more coming daily.
To quote one of Heinlein's predecessors, H G Wells, it is the Universe or nothing.
I agree with Pat.  
This is going to sound like a bunch of random statements but I believe that it will all tie together... I refuse to believe that we live in a society where we don't really have any say in what happens.  I think this is how most of the youth and others of this country feel, that in the end big business runs this country.  Frank Herbert wrote: "If you think of yourselves as helpless and ineffectual, it is certain that you will create a despotic government to be your master. The wise despot, therefore, maintains among his subjects a popular sense that they are helpless and ineffectual."  he also made statements about not writing anything down in stone in an ever changing world :) (and does this mean that Walmart is our Despot) but anyway . . .  So I've been reading a lot of science fiction lately and it seems that the authors usually create a society which emerges from some horrible unprecedented WAR with new social and scientific enlightenment; where space travel is the main means by which the new society thrives.  This is certainly the case with Gene Roddenberry and the eugenics wars (Star Trek).  Perhaps this was precedented by World War 2 and how this country came out of that war optimistic about the future and part of that was eventually the mission to the moon.  
Sometimes it is sad to sit back and look at the world the way it is, and this country which spends more than half(?) of its tax money on defense (offense?); and not feel as if there is nothing that one can do.  Although I agree that money might be more efficiently spent on robotic exploration, it still seems like a sad situation or a moot point, perhaps Senator Obama feels that NASA doesn't really serve any scientific purpose and that private research is more efficient(?).
I'm only 19 years old and about to vote in my first presidential election this year.  I've done some research on the candidates this year and i agree with some of Obama's views, but seriously, taking money from an already poorly funded program to give it in education.... come on now, as others who have posted mentioned before, you can't just throw money at it and hope it'll make better for our future.  From my experience, the education i learned from living in the united states wasn't as great as when i lived overseas.  the quality of education is very important to me, but in all honesty, improve the quality of our teachers to TEACH, leave NASA alone-- it's doing a good job on using it's limited resources to do what it can to better our understanding of space.  why not just take money out of another program that isn't doing its job well and give it to NASA?

i tend to view myself as a realist, and me barely graduated form high school in '06 with a year of college and professional experience, improve our education and quit repeating history's past mistakes of throwing money at things and hope it becomes better. Please, i am an amature when it comes to politics but when somethign seems illogical i'll question it.  This is illogical. So, someone correct me if i'm wrong, but as i mentioned before my educational experience changed since i studied in the states.  Improve NASA funding to do better and find some other way to improve our education.
I am bitterrly disapopointed in Sen. Obama's complete lack of vision.  The first time he needs money he thinks o NASA, which tells me that NASA is at the top of his "worthless money the government spends" list. Not only does NAA's budget consist of only 1/2 of 1 % of the whole budget, it actually does something extrerenely worthwhile with the money.  So I would put Sen,. Obama at the top of my list of "worhless government employees" and at the top of the list of politicians NOT to vote for.  
NASA does have major problems handlig its money. It is in part a corporate welfare program. However, Obama's plans leaves a gap in orbital access that would cause a shut down of ISS. And, NASA's budget is one of the smallest sources to draw on for money for educations. Why not just demand return of the overpayments and payments for unaccomplished work from Haliburton and other contractorshandling the commercialized side of the wars we're in? I cancelled my account with Obama's web site and mailing list, and told them this was the reason. The bumper sticker that makes the point well has been floating around for about 20 years now: "... and the Pentagon held a bake sale."
My opinion:  the laudable but misguided goal of fixing all our ills at home before we venture off this planet has been well discussed in the writings of futurists and historians.  Taking the insular approach, we will probably not survive.  We need a balanced but bold approach to both terrestrial problems and exploration.

In recent years, it appears that China, India, Japan, and Europe are smart enough to understand this.  Ironically, the US society may turn its back on the future, and we must now hope that these other societies (Asia and Europe) will survive.

As decades of politicians have discovered, it isn't worth wasting political capital attacking NASA's paltry budget.  Attacking NASA says more about the political motives of the campaign than it does about fiscal responsibility.

Obama's campaign has shown a somewhat startling lack of knowledge of the issues and benefits, and a disappointing lack of vision.  Perhaps NASA will take the time to educate him, and perhaps he will show leadership by admitting he was wrong, as Edwards has boldly done about Iraq.

I'm having to re-think my hope that Obama is the best chance to defeat Hillary, especially because public support for space exploration crosses so many economic, political, and sociological boundaries.

I was born to late to remember or even see the moon landings.  But I get the feeling the powers that be have done everything that they can since then to try to kill off Nasa and that it is only public opinion that keeps it around.  Quite frankly I think shutting down Nasa would be our biggest blunder in history and MR. Obama seems intent on trying to drive the final nail into its coffin.  The education is there, its the motivation that our kids lack. The human mind thrives on challenges and manned space exploration is the only thing left that gives us those challanges.  Set the bar high enough and the kids will rise to reach it.  Set a time line for an interstellar mission  by the end of the century and see if some enterprising kid from now becomes an adult and figures out how to accomplish that goal.  Its Nasa that needs to be pushing the boundaries of Human exploration, but the big companies to figure out how to make it affordable for the rest of us.
We need a broader Science Vision - that looks at objectives for doing the broader good for US and the world.  Space should be part of this activity.

In another form - we need to look at how the activities leading to solutions to these objectives are funded.  At present, the burden is on the government - but the spin-offs are turned into commercial prizes.  We the people should be a beneficiary of such wins - and let these fund another round.  So while we dole out research funding - we should be getting some credit for the commercial value created - and get dividends on such investment.

While not a pay-for-itself - it should be more a shared reward environment that seeks to truly seek win-win type benefits from the research dollars provided.

The benefits of past Space research funding argues clearly that the work is beneficial - let's just see if the rewards are better allocated.
  So, let me get this straight:  In effect, Obama wants to cut science and engineering jobs to educate more scientists and engineers?  Isn't that like putting the cart before the horse?  Or increasing the supply while reducing the demand.
  I guess we can always export our best-educated children to other nations.  Yet another sign of an America in decline -- we used to draw the best minds, not send them away.
I think the candidate that will do the right thing in regard to NASA, and the nations space policy is New Mexico Governor Bill Richardson.  Though he is not considered to be in serious contention for the Democratic nod, Richardson has boosted his state to the forefront of commercial space endeavors through his support for Spaceport America.  Richardson has also gone on record as saying that he sees space as “a bona fide area of economic growth and opportunity”.

I think it is unfortunate that Obama has taken this stance on the future of our nations space program, as I like Obama as the fresh face in the crowd of presidential contenders.  The more I hear of Obama's approach to implementing policies such as the space program, the less I like him as a candidate.

On the other had, the more I see of Richardson, and his policies, the more I like him as a candidate.
If I had the choice of where MY TAX DOLLARS are used, I would put 100% of it into the space program. It's not fair that one man can dictate where my tax money is spent.


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