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Mysteries in Martian depths

Posted: Thursday, November 01, 2007 7:20 PM by Alan Boyle


NASA / JPL-Caltech / Cornell
NASA's Opportunity rover sent back this view of a Martian promontory at Victoria
Crater named Cape Verde. The picture is in soft focus due to the scattering effect
of dust on the camera's front window. Click on the image for a larger version.

The mysteries from the Red Planet just keep on coming: On the ground, NASA's Opportunity rover is carefully picking its way down a deep crater, sending back a stunning postcard along the way.

Meanwhile, high above, the European Mars Express orbiter has sent back curious evidence of equatorial deposits of material that go more than a mile beneath the Martian surface. Is it water ice? Dust? Volcanic ash? Scientists can’t yet answer that question, but they really want to. If it’s ice, that could help answer questions about Mars' past - and its future.

First, about NASA's rovers: For some weeks now, Opportunity and its twin, Spirit, have been focusing on long-term science projects. Spirit is looking at an intriguing layered rock formation nicknamed "Home Plate" that may shed light on ancient volcanic activity - and also looking for a safe, sunny place to spend the Martian winter.

On the other side of the Red Planet, Opportunity has driven down the inside slope of half-mile-wide Victoria Crater and is looking at a mysterious light-toned band of rock just below the crater's rim.

"We think it's made of the same stuff that all the other rock around here is made of, but something different happened to it during its history," Cornell astronomer Steve Squyres, the principal investigator for the rover missions, told me today.

The band is several meters wide, and consists of three "subbands" with different characteristics, Squyres said. The top band seems to consist of material from before the impact that created Victoria Crater, and the material may look different because it interacted with the Martian atmosphere millions of years ago, he said.

Could this show scientists whether the air on Mars was different back then? All Squyres would say is, "You could speculate like crazy."

Another hypothesis is that water seeped up from below and interacted with the rock, changing its texture and chemistry. If this suggestion is borne out, "the base of the bright band is effectively a bathtub ring," Squyres said.

"We saw something very much like it back at Endurance Crater," he said.

Scientists aren't yet close to figuring out exactly what caused the bright band to look the way it does. "It's a very laborious problem to try to solve this. ... Sometimes it's just grind-it-out science and it takes a while," Squyres said. The fact that Opportunity is sitting on a potentially perilous slope doesn't make the job any easier.

As of this week, Opportunity and Spirit have spent two full Martian years on the Red Planet, and they're both still going strong. To celebrate the milestone, NASA released a stunning picture of a promontory at Victoria Crater called Cape Verde. Those two years on Mars translate into nearly four years on Earth - not bad for a mission that was initially slated for just 90 days.

Deep deposits
Now for the results from the MARSIS radar altimeter aboard the Mars Express orbiter: For decades, scientists have been intrigued by an equatorial region known as Medusae Fossae, which marks a transition of sorts between the Martian highlands and lowlands. Even back in the 1970s, they suspected that there might be large deposits of water ice there, although they couldn't explain how those deposits got there.


ESA / ASI / NASA / Univ. of Rome / JPL / Smithsonian
This color-coded view shows the Martian surface
and subsurface in the Medusae Fossae region.
The MARSIS radar sounder found echoes from
the lowland plains buried by mysterious deposits.
The top arrows show the surface echo, and the
bottom arrows indicate the subsurface echo of
one of the hills made up of the deposits.

In a report published today on Science Express, the MARSIS team provides an estimate of just how deep the deposits go, based on radar sounding data. The answer? Pretty darn deep: about 1.6 miles (2.5 kilometers).

"If these materials are ice-rich, it's a significant amount of water that would be added to the inventory of water ice that we know about on Mars," Thomas Watters of the Smithsonian Institution, lead author of the Science study, told me today. "It would be something like a 36 percent increase in the total amount of water ice that we know about at the surface of Mars. Again, that's all qualified with a big if."

The "big if" relates to whether or not the deposits really do consist mostly of water ice. The radar readings indicate that the Medusae Fossae deposits have the density and electrical properties of water, but they also could conceivably consist of fluffy volcanic ash or dust. That doesn't seem likely: If the ash or dust is that deep, you would think it would compact into denser stuff. But the geology of Mars isn't like Earth's, and confirming the composition would require more detailed readings - by MARSIS or a higher-resolution radar imager aboard NASA's Mars Reconnaissance Orbiter, called SHARAD.

Even if it is water ice, the deep deposits appear to be covered with a layer of wind-sculpted soil that might be meters thick. "That could be the veneer or the covering that is insulating the thicker deposits that have ice in them," Watters said.

The presence of that top layer makes it harder to know for sure exactly what lies beneath. "We're really not going to be able to determine it definitively until we actually go there and sample below this desiccated outer layer," Watters said.

Past and future of the Red Planet
If it is water ice, that raises yet another question: How did all that water get there in the first place? Scientists believe the deposits are only a couple of million years old, based on the lack of cratering and the fact that they're sitting on a geologically recent lava plain.


NASA / ASU
Wind has sculpted the terrain in the Medusae Fossae region, as seen in
this view from the THEMIS imager
on NASA's Mars Odyssey orbiter.

"The fact that this exists at the equator is very intriguing, because there has to be some sort of climatic condition that allows accumulation and preservation of water ice in a tropical area on Mars," said Jeffrey Plaut, a planetary scientist at NASA's Jet Propulsion laboratory who is co-principal investigator for the MARSIS experiment and a co-author of the Science paper.

One hypothesis is that the tilt of Mars' axis was more pronounced millions of years ago.  "If the spin axis rotates to a high value, then you actually warm up the poles and cool down the midlatitudes and the equator," Plaut explained. Water ice at the poles might sublimate into vapor, make its way toward the equator and freeze out of the atmosphere as ice deposits.

Over time, ice crystals would mix in with soil deposits. As the planet's tilt became less oblique, temperatures would become warmer at the equator, and the ice near the surface would disappear - leaving that layer of soil on top to be sculpted by the wind.

It all makes for an intriguing story about Mars millions of years ago - but if the deposits really are ice-rich, that also could tell us something about the future exploration of the planet.

"The one advantage of having ice in the lowlands is that it's a much easier place to get to [than the poles]," Watters said. "The lowlands are an attractive place for robotic landers or human-piloted landers."

Plaut agreed, noting that his colleagues at NASA are already doing a lot of research into what it would take for humans to live off the land on Mars.

"Those folks are very interested in any evidence that there may be water ice reservoirs in these more temperate parts of Mars, because it's certainly easier to operate equipment in those regions of Mars than in the polar regions," he told me.

So it might be worth getting to know Medusae Fossae better in the years to come. It's definitely a weird-looking place, based on photos like this one, and this, and these. Oh, and this zoomable picture, too. To keep up with the saga of Mars exploration, be sure to check in on our special report, "Return to the Red Planet."

In addition to Watters and Plaut, authors of the Science study include Bruce Campbell and Lynn Carter of the Smithsonian Institution; Carl Leuschen of the University of Kansas; Giovanni Picardi and Roberto Orosei of the University of Rome;  Ali Safaeinili and Anton Ivanov of the Jet Propulsion Laboratory; Stephen Clifford of the Lunar and Planetary Institute; William Farrell of NASA's Goddard Space Flight Center; Roger Phillips of Washington University in St. Louis; and Ellen Stofan of Proxemy Research.

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THIS IS AWESOME AND I DO WISH I COULD BE ONE TO GO THERE.  I WOULD VOLUNTEER IN A MINUTE TO BE THE FIRST TO GO TO A DISTANT PLANET.  THE MOON OR MARS WOULD BE THE FIRST LEG OF A DISTANT  JOURNEY.  I HOPE FUNDING DOES NOT STOP SPACE EXPLORTION.  I WILL NOT  LIVE TO SEE IT, BUT IT IS GOING TO HAPPEN
Kudos to Mike from Tacoma!  

And all these people who are crapping on NASA and their Mars research...do you really think this is all just about exploring some orange dust and rocks?  No, [...] it's about advancement of knowledge & technology that will benefit your daily lives more than you will ever know.  
I think that it's important that we get manned space flights to Mars ASAP so that we can have different factions establishing armed camps on Mars. That way, we can get started at what we earthlings do best which is tribal warfare. It will be  exciting to have our side fight their side and to have a military appropriation for Mars so that we can kill more of THEM before they kill us. Naturally, GOD will be on our side.The possibilities are really exciting. We can have our young warriors who are on testosterone overdrive anyway volunteering for MISSION MARS so that we can plant the AMERICAN flag there before some rotten group of ATHEISTS beat us to the punch. I am writing my congressman at once!!!
NASA should go green and stop tearing holes in our ozone. Maybe then we wouldnt have to spend loads of dough looking for somewhere else to possibly inhabit if it ever hits the fan.
Its really weird. There could be dinosaurs and birds
the size of planes living there like they did millions of years ago on earth. Even huge insects. Its creepy. There could be monsters living there or
huge sandworms under the ground.
Beautiful picture! Instead, I can´t avoid to think about earth´s future if we don´t stop destroying it....
Big Deal!  It's a ROCK!  We have much better scenery in many parts of OUR planet.  Spending money?  I don't want the government to solve all of the social problems, I just want them to start looking at the true benefits of the money they are spending.  What has the billions spent by NASA really done to benefit mankind, per dollar.

Let's consider the resourses it takes to get small rovers to Mars.  How much does that need to be multiplied to get even a small crew from here to there?  Especially since we don't have the technology yet.  Let's put this into perspective.  We can use a plan already mentioned here.  We first build several expensive ships to send thousands of loads of expensive parts and mechanics to space to build a ship big enough to hold lots and lots of supplies needed to support a few "explorers" all the way over to the....next planet.  That, by the way can't support life.  Let's say that we only spent .001% of the Earth's resources to get there.  (Oh, I forgot we need some of those resources to get back.)

Then we use 5 times that much resources to build a tiny substation that we can't keep a anyone at due to the problems mentioned earlier.

Next we spend .01% of the Earth's resource to build a similar system large enough to to get over to the next planet.  (Who cares which one it is.)  Then .1% of the resources going to the next and 1% to the next.  Okay, let's  be gererous and say we can get all of the way out to the non-planet Pluto for only 10% of the remaining Earth resources.  (Just in case you think we will start using resources from some of the planets along the way, forget it.  All of the equipment and facilities to mine, process and store all of the stuff would have to be flown to those planets in ships much bigger than the exploration ship.)

Okay, now we are ready to take that giant leap across the great expanse to the next star system.  At this point I could say that we now have reached the point that we have used 100% of the Earth's resources building and sending the ship.  The only problem is, we have spent so much time getting to the great leap, the growing population has used up whatever was left.

By now, some of you think I am crazy.  If you really think so, consider how many people there were in the U.S. in 1492.  How many are there now?  Have we used up any of the worlds resources?
Vernon Vincent --  Gravity is rather a strange thing.  It exists throughout the universe and appears to be the same everywhere.  But it becomes concentrated within mass, and mass varies considerably.  The mass of the Sun holds the planets in elliptical orbits with the velocity of each body determining those orbits.  The Moon orbits Earth separately, but the two orbit the Sun together as a unit.  To change the tidal effects of the Moon upon Earth would require the addition of a huge amount of mass to the Moon, not the conversion of chemicals and minerals already on the Moon from one state to another.  And both the Moon and the Earth get a few million tons of 'space' debris and dust particles added regularly without actually changing gravitic values noticeably.  We have 'added' human beings to Earth from the time of Adam and Eve until we now number 6 billion, but we haven't changed the total amount of mass within the system, simply re-arranged the composition of the whole thing.

"God never promised us an intellectual free ride, and I don't expect one."

Nice way to put that Frank!  Learning the complete history of the solar system would seem to be the best goal I've heard of right now.  In a matter of only 15 years, we've seen that even moons... perhaps MANY moons have the potential to support life.  When considered along with the concept of Transpirmia where life can theoretically be blased off of one world by an impact and make its way over tens of millions of years to another (or even to other solar systems) it would seem that life would be more common than say Sagan speculated in his old Drake's Equasion.  Hey, I'd love to get the UFO people proactive in thinking more on the lines of looking for life than to just speculating about its existance.  A space-based interferometer able to see the cloudtops of other Earth-like worlds should do the trick.  
Even the number of free-floating planets and their moons would have to be considered now into the equasion of life.  I think we've also been seeing that some solar systems extend out far beyond the 50 AU range and there could be other - quite large - planets even in our own solar system out 50,000 AU where they might have been captured.  That's the kind of history I'd like to read!
Hey Dan in Elyria Ohio, just flew my UFO over mainland China and crossed into Northern Pakistan and took a look around.  With 1.5 Billion people in China along, they owning the majority of treasury bills, our borrowing from them to fight the Galatic Jihad, and even the parts of my UFO made in China--lets give them some support and have them terraform Mars!  In the next 20 years, one of these nations will be sending a lander, potentitially with some artic life forms just to see if something can grow and take root on another planet.  Our Government and scientific community cannot get past the Grant writing phases for research purpose.  Or argueing over studies and need assessments that waste time and energy.  NASA had designed a wonderful concept plane, to fly over Mars and collect data--then DOD gets an idea of a spy plane. It would be nice to end my dying day on this planet knowning that twenty thousand individuals are living and terraforming Mars, unfortunately by that time occurs and actually happens I will be dust in the wind.  
Had 2 Trillion Dollars, most people cannot count past one thousand, let alone conceptualize 2 TRILLION DOLLARS, been spent on exploration where would human society have been.  Not to say that the military isn't important, as those individuals serving are protecting freedoms and should be congradulated for their contributions.  However, history has shown the "Civilized" world the effects of spending on the military.  The downfall of the Roman Empire occurred particially do to the expenses of maintaining the military presence along the boundaries of the empire, fighting the Persians, the North African Muslims, and the Germanic Tribes of Northern Europe.  What would have possibly occurred had the science and education fields of the Roman Empire took precedence over the Military costs.   The Civilized world would not have had the Dark Ages.  
At least, if China or India, can allocate their science resources to establish a base on the Moon or Mars, they will do so without all the 'beauratic' restrictions that occur in this country.  Time to go to WalMart for a new Ion Drive, my UFO just took a hit from the Iranian Nuclear SHARAD Missle!      
Since I started what turned out to be a thread that diverged from the picture Mr. Boyle put forth:

1. The whole, full-resolution image can be found here:
http://marsrovers.jpl.nasa.gov/
gallery/press/opportunity/20071029a.html

If you take a look at it you'll have a hard time finding any rocks that *aren't* finely layered. And, no, layering by itself does not neccessarily imply deposition by water; other evidence is neccessary.

2. I can never remember how many 'c's some words have, so I'm sure I've wrecked it above.

3. Thanks Alan for posting the approximately true-color version, instead of the ‘false-color’ one adjusted to make it more pleasing to human eyes. As anyone can see from the true-color images, “Blu-Blockers” sunglasses will probably never be a big seller on Mars.

4. With its low gravity and no dipole magnetic field, ‘terra-forming’ Mars, as far as its atmosphere goes, is not likely to be a simple matter of just finding a way to add to its atmosphere (the movie “Total Recall” notwithstanding.).

Other comments:

To Wilfredo: All those Billions? To date the MERS have cost about $1 Billion….over 8 years…..

To Edwards of Rigby:  Yeah . . . . wow! You and I may never see it with our own eyes, in person, but I hope someday ‘We’ will.

To Daniel: “i wish they had a science based on degeneration -with a name like erosionology.” This is part of the subfield of Geomorphology, D . . .

To JS: I, in turn have to agree with you; though I wish greed could be left behind when people move into space, that doesn’t seem possible. Logic, long-term thinking, and even self-preservation instinct don’t seem to be our current, collective traits. Also, He3 on the Moon comes from the Solar wind, something Earth’s and Mars’s surfaces are shielded from. And uses of that isotope are not well developed, engineering-wise; thus no $$ incentive to go get it . . .

To born_7-4: Ozone destruction was also first thought of, then detected, in studies of *Venus’s* atmosphere; not Earth’s . . .

To Mike of Tacoma: I would add that Pharma, Oil, and, yes Tobacco, industries *each* spend more money per year on advertizing and lobbying than NASA’s entire budget.

Layering of rocks is certainly not automatically assumed to sub-aqueous among scientists, Robbie of Tennessee. There are a number of other possibilities; but other evidence indicates rocks in Terra Meridiani *have* been suffused by liquid H2O.

To Kim of VA: Replace ‘scary’ with ‘awe-inspiring’!

To LeRoy_Was_Here: I would add that the MERs have costed, in total, about the same as 1.5 space shuttle missions . . .

To Nancy of Portland:  YOU should definitely read Robert Heinlein’s story “The Moon is a Harsh Mistress”. It’s a good story.

Me too, Nermin.
I agree with those who want to focus on colonizing rather than simply exploring; the problem, however, is that exploration must always pre-cede colonization. Pioneers won't go into unknown terri-tory, but if you show them mapped lands, they'll flock to them!

As for the supposed space-ship "shielding" problem and the terraforming problem, those are just technical prob-lems and, like any other tecnical problem, can be over-come with sufficient research and ingenuity and, of course, the will.

By the way, Mike, if Ameri-cans voluntarily spend so much money on recreation and entertainment (especially when so much if its sucks!), maybe we ought to make space exploration fun as well as useful!

And To those who think money spent on space exploration is a waste and that we ought to spend it all instead feeding the useless and "fixing" the environment: If you want to solve those problems, focus on stopping overpopulation! That is ultimately the root of all modern problems: too many people, most of if them, apparently, content to remain ignorant and spit out more useless people--such as Earth Lover, Boka, A.J., and God-dess.

Thank you, Frank Glover, for your wise words.

And by the way, Vernon: The way I figure it, increasing the amount of oxygen in an atmosphere would have either no effect, or only a neglig-ible effect, on the mass of a satellite or planet.
Wow! I'd go there, even if that meant spending millions of dollars on it. And one guy said we should keep spending more money on schools and such... Some countries actually do have good schools, take France or Sweden or Finland. Yeah, if Bush started spending millions on colonization while America is in such a state of bad public schools etc... I would disagree, but some other countries actually could do it... if they wanted to.

But first, I think we should worry about the moon. We can't launch a rocket or ship good enough to make the journey from earth. So either we would need to make the ship in space, first of all, I don't think that we are ready for that seeing as we can't even make a temporary living space on our closest planet, the moon, but also the moon seems more important to me. There will be no way to practise living in such a isolated, far-away place as Mars unless we do it on the moon.
if the atmosphere of  mars was increased substantialy, would that not also increase the  amount of heat absorbed  by the  planet thus  making the ice  melt and form lakes as we  know then here on earth given the amount of  oxygen and methan that is in the  ice pockets .
I just wish Bob Heinlein were here to see this.
humans must leave this planet if we intend on our species lasting more than a few hundred more years. we must leave the nest of earth or we will be eliminated by this planet as she has done time and time again of many other different species. Our time is limited here at home, and the first alarms of our demise have already sounded.
Right on target, Mike from Tacoma. Add the yearly take from the sale of cosmetics and pet food and you're talking serious money. I much prefer my tax dollars go for science than to provide a dole. War is always an expensive and a horribly inefficient and destructive enterprise. However, we don't have the ability to conduct know with any certainty what any alternative strategy would ultimately produce. Appeasement has never been a valid long term policy.
Rover microscopes with more magnification could detect life. A spectrometer with life detecting microscopes could completely analyze martian organics. The tilt of Mars axis could change much more rapidly than in millions of years cycles. It could change every 10,000 years because the lack of a large moon to stabilize its tilt could allow ice ages and warm ages to happen on Mars more rapidly than on Earth. Every 10,000 years the water ice could melt and sublimate off the poles and thicken the atmosphere on the lowest places of Mars to 40 millebars allowing lichen type life to come out of hibernation at all surfaces on Mars 25 millebars or greater. Lichen type life could be thriving on about 40% of the Martian surface for 10,000 years continuously in 20,000 year cycles.
Wow, its gr8. we will like to see more pictures of the Mars our neghbour. It will be a great day on which we will confirm the presence of water on Mars.
I'd be willing to bet if we looked long and hard at the earth we might find the first rovers to land here a few milenia ago prior to the colonization of our own little planet.

All of those NASA images appear a lot like places here. Those same kind of images probably appealed to the earlier cosmos explorers before they came here.

Maybe one day there will be a place where the inhabitants are saying something like " In Voyager we trust" or perhaps something like " Thank Nasa" instead of thank God. We have such a small window on time and space and our view of it is so small relative to the vastness of it all. As a race we question everything, why should planetary exploration be any different. I say kkep on truckin'and NASA, keep up the good work. Save me a seat on one of these rides out of here will ya?
IF we do not get more raw materials input, we will be in a Malthusian Crisis before we know it.  We CAN stave it off a little by letting Global Warming proceed as nature desires it, and uncovering more minerals to mine and more land to grow crops on, and possibly more shallow oceans to fish and seaweed farm.

But we really need the unlimited resources that visionaries like Pournelle, Bova, and others have researched and that we could have if we put our money into reliable space equipment on a regular commercial basis.

Instead of wasting it on fighting nature and each other here and destroying the earth to save it!

Makes no sense to take a food crop and destroy food for alcohol, which will require modified cars which take different metals which must be mined, smelted, worked, all absorbing our rather limited supplies of energy and materials.

Anyhow, if NASA was redirected to get us out in space practically, as a top priority, and check out the incomming asteroids, and start L5 colonies and space factories using solar power directly, we might have a fighting chance at a future.
 
WE DO need to direct our efforts to ways to keep new supplies comming to earth, on things like Solar Power plants, best in space, and bringing up the "underdeveloped nations" to speed rapidly to help.  We can capture meteors and mine them and even smelt with solar furnaces, sending finished product to Earth, no pollution!!

I am all for getting massively into space as rapidly as possible, so we can do all the things needed to protect and save the Earth.

But...... will we?  

Or do we prefer to fight and blow things up and move money from the poor to the rich, and wait our doom?  Wonder if the hypothetical Martians did that??
Where is all this going?? Lets see some R.O.I!!
What if God lives on Mars?  Would it be a better idea to launch a "Hail Mary" Mars mission.  Or even better!  What if God told me in a vision that we need to go to Mars?  Why are religious messages being mixed up with our space program?  Your logic does not compute.
It's amazing what some people are saying. About 40% percent are gaping over how awsome the picture is. About 20% are arguing how we should be spending the $$$ on the things that matter here on earth. 10% are saying that we need to explore the universe, since Earth needs to be compared. 10% are going on and on and on and on as to how the cliffs may have once been in water...or something like that. 15% are saying how they hope to be alive when we land on Mars. The last 5% are talking about something that has nothing to do with Mars or the picture.
Growing grass won't be nearly enough to produce a viable atmosphere on Mars.  Most of the oxygen here on earth is produced by cyano-bacteria or blue-green algae in the oceans.  No oceans, no oxygen. Or very little at any rate.  So forget about "terra forming" Mars into a habitable location for us to move to when we've destroyed the earth.  We need to preserve and protect what we've got here.  But that seems unlikely to occur, given the pace in worldwide technological development. The current alterations in climate are virtually unstoppable. Forget saving the polar bears and get ready to adapt.  
As an old man facing the twilight of my life, I am amazed at the pictures and the science being conducted on Mars. Makes me very proud of our NASA and College teams that are conducting these explorations. Think of the rovers, truly amazing. For those of you to criticze the expense, I'd gladly pay additional taxes for the opportunity to view all of our space/planet explorations - Saturn, Mars, Mercury, etc. Sadly though, I won't be here to see all of the upcoming visits to Mars and the like. I'd gladly volunteer to go and begin the "set-up", a colonizer. How cool that would be. For the rest of you, be amazed, it's truly an exciting time. I just want to be around when the next "hubble" is launched and operating and to see a planet in another solar system. Wow!
Its totally admazing that the thinking of people to really think that GOD made only man. Simply like the ones as AJ or this Frank Glover and who else are simply unintelligent to know that GOD came from the stars. Look at the wirtings of Ezekiel, Daniel, how about that of Jeremiah? What thye witness was the coming of GOD. There is life on other planets and that sooner than most realize, GOD is coming here. In that there is another evil coming also and the passing of the one called planey X, Niberu. It is all in th ebible and thats the things thatr make others like AJ and FRank not knowing about who and what GOD is. It isn't their fault, but the religions of today never talk about the facts of who and what GOD is and where he came from. Read about the Nilflime as they were GODS warriors, That these ones who were mentioned as the fallen angels are the Anikia. Oh, religious dogma is just that. My people are blinded by a different religion other that GOD gave each and everyone of us. In that do we really know this beast that is already here? Try the nation of Islam. They certainly will not telll you the NASA knows that the inviroment on MARS is almost identical as that of mother Earth. Read and know the facts before you take some simple context as that of religion and place it above what GOD is revealing to mankind. Weather your a believer or not, Its there. GOD said! I quote, search me out. Simply people like Your TV evangilist are never going to tell you things like the truth, it would hurt theior own personal bank accts? Mankind has about twelve years left. We better get our acts together and know what GOD gave us, what he promised us and that thesse signs are for real. AJ and FRANK are not much different than the ones who are blinded by the facts of these false religions and that the things as that of LIFE on other planets. YES, GOD told us this and that there is life else where, some of his following others of that of this Dark angel called LUcifer, Who created the nation of Islam. Its there brotyhers and asisters. Do you know it or maybe you don't care. GOD loves all of us, but again, its our choice. What are you choising?   Think about it. Here is my e-mail address and we certainly can discuss this more opnely than here.. eddieandcheri07@yahoo.com... Hope to hear from those who are wanting to learn and have the proof given to you.. God bless ...Eddie and Cheri
THOSE OF YOU SHALL NOT TOUCH ON THAT PLANETS CUZ IT IS VERY HARMFUL AND FEARS OF LIFES ARE NOT THAT EASY. REMEMBER WE ARE VERY LUCKIES TO LIVES ON THE EARTH, WE LIVE AIR,water,and very nice weather but we must accepted no matter what happened to us.
In line with Bob: ...or worse you bring back a tiny microbe and it metamorphose into a true King Kong. Would that be fun or what?


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