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Moonwalker on the run

Posted: Wednesday, September 12, 2007 7:00 PM by Alan Boyle

Buzz Aldrin's head is buzzing with ideas – ranging from spaceship-building projects to film appearances to, yes, commentary on lovelorn astronaut Lisa Nowak's travails. The 77-year-old moonwalker sadly notes that people know more about the allegedly diaper-wearing astronaut than about NASA’s program to go back to the moon. And over the next five years, Aldrin intends to do something about that.


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 Apollo 11 moonwalker Buzz Aldrin is still trying to
 keep America focused on the outer-space horizon.
 Click on the image to hear or download a 30-minute
 MP3 audio interview with msnbc.com's Alan Boyle.

Aldrin's biggest claim to fame is his status as the second man to walk on the moon – a title that surely rubs him the wrong way. Unlike the "first man," Apollo 11 commander Neil Armstrong, Aldrin still gets his share of publicity's glare. Last month, he was featured on the gossip sites for getting a facelift, and this month he's one of the stars in the new space documentary "In the Shadow of the Moon," where he talks about coping with the burden of fame as well as being the first man ... to pee on the moon.

This week, Aldrin stirred up yet another buzz with his observation that there was something admirable, though inexcusable, about Nowak's drive to meet up with a romantic rival. And on Thursday he'll be at the Wired NextFest in Los Angeles, where the X Prize Foundation is due to announce its next big competition.

Just before Labor Day, Aldrin and I talked about a wide range of subjects – including life after NASA, his bouts with depression and alcoholism, his backing for commercial space efforts and his reflections on the future of spaceflight. Among the highlights:

  • Aldrin, whose engineering background earned him the nickname "Dr. Rendezvous" during the Apollo days, has kept his hand in the spaceship design business – and says he is trying to set up a joint venture with California-based SpaceDev, which is developing a private-sector spacecraft for NASA and other potential customers.

  • Although Aldrin noted that round-the-moon flights are now being offered by the Russians, at a cost of $100 million per seat, he said he wouldn't take the ride. "I don't have the money, and I really don't need to do that," he said. Instead, he's working out the details of a ShareSpace "adventure awards program" that could eventually send a winner around the moon with the "spin of a wheel." He said the first stage of the ShareSpace program could be unveiled "at the beginning of next year."

  • Aldrin said he enjoyed seeing the Apollo experience from the perspective of other astronauts in "In the Shadow of the Moon" - including the unexpected humor of Apollo 11 crewmate Mike Collins, who circled the moon in the command module while Aldrin and Armstrong explored the surface. "He was the life of our mission," Aldrin said. "Neil and I were kinda, in those days anyway, a little reserved and not quite as jovial particularly."

  • Now Aldrin is trying to organize a series of astronaut reunions, perhaps in association with a TV network, that would stoke public interest for the 40th and 50th anniversaries of space milestones. By the time the 40th anniversary of the last Apollo moonshot takes place in 2012, Aldrin hopes that the path will be set for NASA's return to the moon in time for the 50th anniversary of Apollo 11 in 2019.

Keeping America's space program in the public eye is a high priority for Aldrin, particularly as memories of the glory days of the 1960s fade – and as society looks inward rather than out to the stars.

"A poll was taken, and 50 percent of the people knew about Lisa Nowak and the diaper saga, and only 8 percent of the people knew about our plans to return to the moon and go to Mars," Aldrin complained.

He's worried that NASA's space vision could fail - not by aiming too high, but by aiming too low and settling for a juiced-up Apollo program:

"The moon could bog us down, as the space station in a way has bogged us down, when robots could do a lot of those jobs very well. Our real objective, in addition to visiting asteroids and near-Earth objects, is a settlement, a permanent growing settlement on Mars. And that, people just don't understand.

"So the way you get there, the way you prepare by going to the moon to get to Mars, shouldn't emphasize, 'Well, we did it this way in Apollo, so let's do it this way again, and then we'll think about Mars.' No, it should be, 'Let's think about how we're going to get to Mars, and then let's prepare by going to the moon in the best way that prepares us for going to Mars.'"

Here's the MP3 file of the interview, edited down to 30 minutes. You can either click on the link to listen now, or right-click and download the clip for listening later on your MP3 player of choice. Then feel free to weigh in with your comments on the buzz about Aldrin, Apollo's legacy and future space visions. In the days ahead, stay tuned for more moonwalker interviews with Apollo 12's Alan Bean and Apollo 17's Harrison Schmitt.

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There is not enough Americans saying: "What if?".
Buzz has always been a great and very vocal advocate for some very sensible options for space exploration. I'm always glad when he talks about how important it is that we push to send humans to work, and later live, on Mars.

There is a growing underground movement (outside of The Mars Society) of people who want to popularize these ideas for the general public. Some of the problems they face are financial, some are cultural (the same problems plauging all of the space community), but perhaps the biggest challenges involve geographic separation (how do you coordinate outreach when your staff is spread out over multiple continents?). With the support of key figures, namely space greats like Buzz, these movements could gain alot of momentum. I just wish there were a way to make him aware of our presence.
Being a lifelong space enthusiast, I was sad to think of these great men passing into their twilight years - while a younger generation only seemed interested in consumerism and a "That's Hot!" mentality.  

But then I recently saw a debut screening of "In the Shadow of the Moon", and I was quite impressed by the various age groups in attendance - as well as the standing ovation at the end of the film.  Perhaps there is still hope!

I have seen other opportunities to journey to space like sweepstakes but the odds are not realistic in winning.
It was our generation that was supposed to follow these great pioneers into the cosmos. I was ready for the migration and anxiously looked forward to that day, but our society degenerated into the assassinations of our leaders and the dark side of our species. Pursuit of self-aggrandized consumption as to who had the most toys exposed the immaturity of the next generations. So, while it was one giant leap for a(sic) man, there doesn't seem to be the noble impetus to follow with that "One giant leap for mankind." I guess it will eventually be left to RC toys and robots to venture into the great beyond while the sophomoric antics of vacuous rag-mag divas and fanatical religious zealots consume the precious minutes of our lives. All hail the mighty corporate manipulators in the quest for the holy grail of profits and conspicuous undiscipline.
I would love to have my tombstone read "I peed on the Moon and you didn't".
Paul,

I odds of winning powerball or megamillions is not at all realistic, but a $300million jackpot turns alot of heads, just as a $100million trip around the moon would.
When we first landed on the moon, I was sure that there would be a base on the moon in less than ten years and a manned landing or Mars in less than twenty.  It is now nearly forty years later, I am 66 years old, and I doubt if we will land on Mars in my lifetime.  NASA threw away the Saturn rocket, which could have put up a really big space station with just three or four launches and is now re-inventing the Saturn capability using left over shuttle and Saturn technology.  They estimate this project will take at least ten years.  Considering the recent record, I have little hope that NASA will ever send a man to Mars.  Perhaps there will be a new "space race" and someone else (or a "New NASA") will do it.  
the joy of space...space is where it's at...whether the vast expanse of outer space, the space between our ears, or simply a place to hang our hats...it's issue #1 for as long as every single Human alive today remains so...we need a sense of space to breathe...let's start with a Buzz...why not?...it works for Pop Culture...
I can solve launch, re-entry, and sustainability/reusability simply...any time your are ready...that should be a good start, eh?
more...
http://smythspace.blogspot.com/2007/01/smythspace.html
Aldrin is a coward! As an American and as a human being he needs to inform the public of what he really experienced while on the moon. (Watch interview on Larry King "UFOs Are They Out There?")
Mr. Aldrin continues to be a world-class asset to the human species. It pains me, however, to watch the years unfold without yielding the completely deserved satisfaction of unqualified success in his ventures to enable space access for us all. We all have been blessed to have Buzz Aldrin in our midst, whether you respect that or not.
As usual, promoters of space colonies blithely ignore the economics involved. There is no way a lunar colony could have any economic return, the moon  programs are a financial loss.

Mars colonies would be an even bigger loss.
Most people here are saying how landing on Mars would be so great, and how we could set up colonies, E.T.C. E.T.C.

Think about this, if we set up colonies on Mars, and some asteroid hits it, anywhere at all, where we are stationed, Don't you think that we could lose millions, possibly billions of humans, animals, anything at all? Yea yea, we can set up a fake biosphere at 8 KM up like we have now, but what about inter-galactic terrorism (Wow that would be a hoot, 6 months after launch, get nailed by a missile)


Though it has some bonuses to it. We would have to create more sleek, comfortable models. Faster models (light speed is possible, just use tachyons)

For the guy who said he was 66 years old, I really feel sorry for you man. I thought we would land on Mars or anywhere a lot sooner. Hopefully you'll live a strong good (rest of your) life.


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