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A case of Hubble envy?

Posted: Wednesday, September 05, 2007 6:09 PM by Alan Boyle


Cambridge / Caltech / STScI / NASA / ESA
The left view shows a "before" image of the Cat's Eye Nebula from the Hale
Telescope. The middle view shows the nebula after Lucky Imaging correction. The
right view shows the same nebula as seen by Hubble. The coloring and orientation
of the Hubble image are different due to the method used to create the picture.

Do we really need the Hubble Space Telescope anymore? You could put that spin on the news that astronomers have developed a ground-based telescope system that can produce pictures twice as sharp as Hubble’s. But that would be wrong.

"Just line up the pictures, and you be the judge," said Ray Villard, a spokesman for the Space Telescope Science Institute. A leader of the Lucky Imaging team, the University of Cambridge's Craig Mackay, agrees that the sharper-than-Hubble claim depends on what you’re looking at - and that anyone with a case of telescope envy is missing the point.

"Lucky Imaging" is what the team members are calling their new twist on adaptive optics, a method that has been used for years to sharpen up pictures of celestial objects as seen through the blur of Earth's atmosphere. It's not usually possible to get super-high-resolution astronomical images from the ground because heat currents and atmospheric water vapor make the picture all fuzzy and fluttery. You don't even need a telescope to see the effect: Our turbulent atmosphere is the reason why stars twinkle at night.

Astronomers from Cambridge and the California Institute of Technology got around that problem by installing a high-speed camera on the 200-inch (5.1-meter) Hale Telescope at the Palomar Observatory, then snapping multiple pictures of the same targets at the rate of 20 frames per second. The Lucky team used computer software to sift through the pictures and select the sharpest elements from each one - capitalizing on their lucky shots (hence the team's name). The team explains the differences between their technique and traditional adaptive optics on this Web page

"The system performed even better than we were expecting," Caltech researcher Nicholas Law, the principal investigator for the instrument, said in a news release. "It was fantastic to watch the first images come in and see that we were easily doing better than Hubble."

Better than the $2 billion-plus Hubble? A Cambridge news release makes that claim as well, saying that the Lucky pictures were "sharper than anything produced by the Hubble telescope, at 50 thousandths of the cost."

That sounds pretty impressive. But if you compare the sharpened Lucky image of the Cat's Eye Nebula (NGC 6543) with the latest Hubble image, as Villard suggests, Hubble wins hand down.

When I asked Mackay about that, he admitted that offering the Cat's Eye pictures for comparison was a "distinctly unfortunate" move. That picture serves as a perfect illustration - not to show whether ground-based or space-based telescopes are better, but to show why both are needed.

It takes a relatively long time for an imager to collect the pixels that make up the classic wide-field view of the Cat's Eye - and that doesn't play to the system's strengths, Mackay said. "We need to be able to take pictures rapidly," he explained. "We need to freeze the motion of the image [as it twinkles in the atmosphere]. If we use a big detector, then that ends up by reading out more slowly."


Cambridge / Caltech / STScI
The upper photo shows stars in the
globular star cluster M13, as seen by a
ground-based telescope with the Lucky
Imaging system. The lower photo is the
same field of stars, as seen by Hubble.

The Lucky team's technique works much better with a smaller field of view - for instance, a zoom view of stars in the globular star cluster M13. That's the kind of picture Mackay and Law had in mind for their comparison with Hubble. Mackay told me that the Lucky system produced pictures of those stars with a resolution of 50 milliarcseconds, compared with 100 milliarcseconds for the Hubble view.

"The star cluster picture is twice the resolution of Hubble," Mackay said from Cambridge.

Back in Baltimore, where Hubble science operations are based, Villard took the debate over whose telescope is better in good humor.

"It would be great if ground-based telescopes could do as well as Hubble routinely," he told me. "Then we'd have less demand for Hubble. We're oversubscribed [by a factor of] 9 to 1."

For some types of observations, such as pictures of sunspots and our solar system's outer planets, adaptive-optics systems have come a long way in the past few years. But in other fields, ranging from wide-field views of nebulas to deep-field views of the universe's frontiers, Villard said Hubble still reigns supreme.

"Sometimes the debate reminds me of audiophiles debating over whose speaker is better," Villard said. "The question is, what can you do with it?"

In the years ahead, both space-based and ground-based telescopes are due for upgrades: Hubble will be getting its final major overhaul during a shuttle mission scheduled next year. Meanwhile, astronomers are hoping to improve the adaptive-optics systems on the world's monster telescopes in Chile and Hawaii. That will give ground-based observers many of the benefits of Hubble at a bargain-basement price.

"Clearly there will always be a symbiosis because of the incredible cost of putting telescopes in space," Villard said. "The future of astronomy is going to be this symbiosis."

But Villard said even the best ground-based telescope won't replace the need for Hubble's heir, the $3.5 billion James Webb Space Telescope, which is due for launch in 2013.

"Nothing I have ever heard about can do what Webb does, and frankly that's true for Hubble. ... None of these techniques will ever replace all the advantages of being above the atmosphere," he said. "More power to 'em - but to paraphrase Mark Twain, reports of leapfrogging Hubble are greatly premature."

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The lower image of part of M13, which you say is from Hubble, is obviously a lot more clear.  I don't understand their claim that Lucky has any advantage.
You've got to be kidding me, out of the pictures above. The Hubble pictures clearly contain more information and resolution. What a silly claim!
As to the top 3 images; if you take the one on the right, expand it 200%, mirror image it, and rotate it clockwise 25 degrees, you'll have a direct comparison with the previous 2 pictures.
Marty and Roy have it right.  If the captions are correct, then Hubble is still king.
They may be trying to prepare us for the loss of Hubble, because if things continue the way they are, the funding will be cut to help financially contribute to wars over oil.
That compared picture caption has to be a mistake.
For more on the origins (and quirks) of the Hubble Telescope, presented in a humorous yet informative fashion, I suggest Bill Bryon's book "A Short History of Nearly Everything."  Fascinating throughout.  
we need to get moon based and get it over with. I'll pay my share of the taxes to get it done.
Every tool has advantages and disadvantages depending on the situation.  Ground based telescopes will always be subject to weather, to the part of the sky they face, and to the fact that on average they can only be used 12 hours or less a day for most of the projects they serve.  Hubble and the upcoming Webb scope can be used 24 hours per day over virtually the entire sky, but there will never be many of them.  Lately it seems that some of the most fascinating imaging has come from combining ground and orbiting optical images with orbital x-ray and infrared images plus ground based radio telescope images!
"You get what you pay for." Allow me to rephrase that. "You ALLWAYS get what you pay for."
The Hubble pictures certainly contain more resolution,but I don't think we can even make an accurate comparison with those images. The size of the field is not what we need to be looking at. What we need to be looking at is what can be seen. Take the Hubble image and expand it to the point where the features are the same size in both images. (get the zoom factor the same on both) In fact,I just did this in a photo editing program. When you do that,the lucky image IS in fact better than the Hubble image.
It's inappropriate for researchers to make wild claims not clearly supported by facts.  As noted by the other comments above, the evidence doesn't support the wild claim that this camera system is twice as good as Hubble for even most applications, and certainly not for all applications.  In fact, the Lucky Imaging system is only better than Hubble for applications where a huge amount of light is available, say pictures of the bright moon, or where a suitably bright guide star is available and the Lucky Imaging camera is combined with traditional adaptive optics on a very large telescope.  

The fact is, at $2.5 Billion, Hubble has already produced more science than the $76 Billion International Space Station and that will probably always be the case.  This just shows the tremendous advantage that robotic devices have in space over humans. In my own humble opinion it's a foolish waste of money to send humans into space, and the sooner we realize that the better off science will be.

And just for everyone's info, even after The James Webb Space Telescope is deployed, Hubble will still take the best pictures in most of the frequencies of light we can see.  JWST is an infrared telescope and will take much better pictures in the near infrared and can see into the mid infrared which the Hubble can't, but the JWST is blind in most of the visible light waves that we humans can see. So in the end, Hubble still reigns supreme in the visible light spectrum and is likely to keep that position long into the future.  
In terms of light gathering power, ganged surface-based scopes (with or without adaptive optics) will have the advantage over space-based optics for at least one more generation.  In terms of clarity, space-based units will rule.

The future, of course, is going to be crater-sized adaptive optics on the lunar far side -- the best of both worlds.
The concept seems sound, but fortune would smile on making enough images fast enough, with software to knit it together.  How fast.  ????? Keep trying.....

The toss of the dice would only yield possibilities, weighting the dice would yield high probibilities. Weight it, you are not cheating anyone.    
Not mentioned in the article is that Earth's atmosphere filters out bands (rangese of wavelengths) of light.  No amount of processing or adaptive optics can recover what is never received.
Maybe they think its like todays fashion trends.  If you say its the best, and pretend really hard, then everyone else will believe you.  If you ask me, the Hubble pictures are 20/20 and the Lucky pictures are coke bottle glasses.
Optical astronomy isn't always about seeing sharp details on a celestial object.  If what your are interested in is spectrographic data from a particular object, the Lucky data is more than sufficient and quite probably more inexpensive and easier to obtain than Hubble data.
LUCKY IS MAKING SOME BIG CLAIMS.  HUBBLE HAS DONE MORE TOWARD HELPING MAN UNDERSTAND THE COSMOS THAN LUCKY COULD EVEN THINK ABOUT.  I'M GLAD APPROVED THE EXTRA MONEY TO RE-FIT HUBBLE, THERE WILL ALWAYS BE A PLACE FOR IT.
They were talking about it being more detailed, closer image of the same part of space. You can see that they have a tighter shot than the Hubble.

Is Hubble clearer, you bet. Should we keep fixing and upgrading the Hubble, heck yes.
My vote is still out till the future brings something better.  Hubble is clearer and bargain basement cost? ....sometimes you get what you pay for!
They must get their press written by the same folks who feel we're succeeding in Iraq...
I really don't understand it, the Hubble is way better.
This:
http://www.physorg.com/news108302681.html
is worth checking out Alan. The implications for Cosmology are not small . . . .
Yeah, they're pretty pictures, and technically it's science, but what use is it? Dr. TANSTAAFL, sometimes there ARE "free lunches." It seems to me that astronomers are getting them. Why should taxpayers fund scientific research that produces no practical benefits, only theoretical improvements in our understanding of the universe?
The images using Lucky do appear to have better resolution, as measured by the FWHM (full width at half maximum). The reason they appear to be fuzzier is because there is a lot of scatter (halo effect). For certain applications (e.g., splitting binary stars), it is acceptable to have a large halo. Incidentally, using the WM Keck Observatory adaptive optics system, I am able to get 30 milliarcsecond resultion, which is much better than both Hubble and Palomar.  
Dr. Long,
I have to agree with Dr. TANSTAAFL.  Somebody somewhere has to pay for lunch; even if it is the chicken who gave its life for your sandwich.  

It seems to me that YOU are complaining about paying for Astronomers' fundamental research. Ita vero, you prove the point. TANSTAAFL.

As to why this endeavor should be undertaken, with no fundamental research, there can be no advanced research.  You can never know where fundamental research will lead you.  Ipso facto, Dr. Long, ipsa scientia potestas est.  By that fact alone, sir, knowledge is power.
let us not argue or what so ever about who is really the best ( Hubble or Lucky).the important is that they both helpful to fully understand everything on our solar system..ok.
Metaphorically, Would you rather study clouds from underwater or from a boat?  The less in the way for a picture, the better, no?

Money is the only reason this is even an issue.
i AM WONDERING IF THE HUBBLES ABILITIES COULD BE EXPANDED WITH THE UPDATING OF ITS SYSTEMS FOR A LONGER LIFE?


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