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Faster than light ... again?

Posted: Friday, August 17, 2007 7:46 PM by Alan Boyle

The Slashdot set is buzzing over a new experiment that seems to indicate light can move faster than … um, the speed of light. The fact that the last statement sounds so strange hints at the bizarre caveats that surround such experiments, and mainstream scientists have argued for years that the phenomena really don’t break Einstein’s rules of the relativistic road. At the same time, they admit that the results are pretty darn weird. And weirder experiments are on their way.

The latest controversy focuses on research conducted by physicists Günter Nimtz and Alfons Stahlhofen of the University of Koblenz in Germany. They set up an apparatus using microwaves and two prisms to look for a phenomenon called quantum tunneling - basically, a phenomenon in which a particle can sneak through places where it's not supposed to go and pop up on the other side.

The outcome is described in their research paper and summarized in a New Scientist report. First the two prisms were set against each other with a small gap between them. When the microwaves were sent through the apparatus, most of the signal was reflected internally by the first prism - but some of the signal tunneled through the gap and went through the second prism.

Nimtz and Stahlhofen found that the reflected signal and its quantum-tunneling doppelgänger arrived at their respective photodetectors at the same time. That led them to the conclusion that, in effect, the tunneling photons bridged the gap between the prisms instantly, violating the 186,000-mile-per-second speed limit laid out in the special theory of relativity.

"This is the only violation that I know of," Nimtz is quoted as saying.

The research hasn't appeared in a publication yet. In fact, the online version was just submitted for review a couple of weeks ago. But it's already drawn plenty of comments in the geek world, from A (for Ars Technica) to Z (for ZDNet).

"Unfortunately, the claim is worse than weak; it is silly," Chris Lee writes on Ars Technica.

Others are more cautious in their criticism, but the bottom line is that physics can play tricks when you use quantum phenomena to look for loopholes in relativity. Over the past several years, Nimtz has taken aim at this subject multiple times, and he hasn't convincingly hit the bull's-eye yet.

A seemingly faster-than-light effect can arise from the way a signal is shifted as it travels through different media. The crest of a wave in one medium may become a valley in another medium, and the valley may become a crest. It may look as if that crest has zipped ahead faster than the speed of light - but in actuality, it's just the same old wave with its shape shifted.

We delved into this explanation more fully four years ago and revisited the subject specifically with regard to Nimtz's research in a follow-up. The phenomenon of quantum tunneling makes the latest results even fuzzier, figuratively and literally. To learn more about how physicists play fast and loose with faster-than-light experiments, check out this entry from the Physics FAQ and this discussion of group velocity on the MathPages.

When it comes to assessing the latest faster-than-light research, I particularly like the down-to-earth explanation that New Scientist was given by Aephraim Steinberg, a quantum optics expert at the University of Toronto:

"Steinberg explains Nimtz and Stahlhofen's observations by way of analogy with a 20-car bullet train departing Chicago for New York. The stopwatch starts when the centre of the train leaves the station, but the train leaves cars behind at each stop. So when the train arrives in New York, now comprising only two cars, the centre has moved ahead, although the train itself hasn't exceeded its reported speed.

"'If you're standing at the two stations, looking at your watch, it seems to you these people have broken the speed limit,' Steinberg says. 'They've got there faster than they should have, but it just happens that the only ones you see arrive are in the front car. So they had that head start, but they were never travelling especially fast.'"

For further reflections on faster-than-light experiments and quantum tunnelling, check out this this Alternate View column (and this one) from University of Washington physicist John Cramer.

Speaking of Cramer, I figured this was a good day to check in on the progress of his own weird quantum experiment. Cramer has been gearing up to test whether causality can go backward in time, thanks to quantum entanglement.

The last time I checked, Cramer was hoping to wrap up his laser-and-mirrors experiment by Sept. 15, because the apparatus he was working with was supposed to be dismantled by that time to make room for the next occupant. "Probably that was optimistic," he told me today. He isn't even finished assembling the rig for doing the entanglement test. 

Fortunately, the deadline pressure has gone away because Cramer has found alternate lab space at the university. "Last week we successfully moved the laser and the rest of the equipment two doors down," Cramer said. He no longer worries about having to move just when the experiment is reaching its retrocausational climax.

"I feel a lot more relieved," the physicist told me.

Will Cramer's experiment turn up fantastic new twists at the intersection of quantum mechanics and relativity? Will it spark a fuzzy controversy, like the debate over seemingly faster-than-light communication? Or will it simply fizzle? Cramer doesn't know if his experiment will result in new physics - but he's anxious to find out.

"There are things that can move faster than light, but signals don't seem to be among them," Cramer said. "Unless our experiment works."

Update for 8:40 p.m. ET Aug. 17: The debate over causality would seem quite peculiar to some of the characters in Kurt Vonnegut's classic, "Slaughterhouse-Five." On one level, the book is a semiautobiographical novel about the 1945 firebombing of Dresden and the outrages of war. On another level, it's a science-fiction story about the nature of time and Tralfamadorian timelessness. And on an even deeper level, it's a philosophical meditation on the human condition, with all its wonders and horrors.

That makes it a perfect selection for the Cosmic Log Used-Book Club, our mostly monthly offering of books with cosmic themes that have been around long enough to become available at public libraries and used-book shops. In fact, "Slaughterhouse-Five" has been around long enough to become available as an audio book and a movie on DVD. But it's still a particularly timely selection, due to the current debate over the war on Iraq as well as Vonnegut's recent passing.

Judith Moore suggested "Slaughterhouse-Five" in response to last month's CLUB Club offerings, and as a reward I'm sending her a copy of "Rocketeers," Michael Belfiore's just-published book about the private-sector space race. Do you have a nomination for future CLUB Club selections? Leave your suggestion as a comment below, and you might just earn a book as well.

Update for 8:50 p.m. ET Jan. 9, 2008: For an update on Cramer's experiment, check out this progress report.

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A couple of things:

1) since e=mc^2 was 1st written, a lot has been discovered about quantum physics.  I bet, if somebody were to check, the real equation looks something like e=mc^2 + amc^3 + bmc^4... etc, etc, etc.

2) The laws of physics currently known only restrict movement of matter at "c" itself.  There's nothing stopping anything from moving faster that c, just as there is nothing about going slower than c.
Just to clarify, relativity doesn't say "nothing" can move faster than the speed of light.  But one can't gain any information from things that move faster than the speed of light (which could be configured into retrocausality). This is because there is always a requirement that another regular signal move at light speed to make sense of the signal that moved faster than the speed of light. Otherwise, the signal that moved faster than the speed of light can't be interpreted or distinguished from random noise. This second piece of information that moves only at light speed is often not apparent. Depending on how the experiment is set up, that second piece of information which can travel at light speed at most (the "key") may only exist in the observations of the person doing the measurement. It's a simple concept really, but many good minds can be confused by it.

So yes, you can send today's stock averages into yesterday, but you have to wait until today for the data to make any sense, which sort of defeats the purpose. So in conclusion, a photon or the quantum state of a photon can travel faster than the speed of light (since quantum tunneling and entanglement isn't time dependent), but information can't travel faster than the speed of light. Ergo, both relativity and quantum physics are correct, and there is no violation.

Coments are welcome.

KEEP UP THE GOOD WORK GUYS AND GALS....ANYONE INVOLVED IN QUANTUM PHYSICS RESEARCH.  THE SPEED OF LIGHT STYMIED EINSTEIN, HE COULD GO NO FURTHER.  QUESTION.   WHY HAVE OUR ASTROPHYSISTS ALREADY STATED THE UNIVERSE IS EXPANDING FASTER THAN THE SPEED OF LIGHT.  DUH ??? IF PEOPLE WOULD UNDERSTAND
THE "AGES OLD THEORY" WILL REQUIRE A FEW REVISIONS TO THE EQUATION, LIKE ALL OTHER THEORIES HAVE.  ONCE, PEOPLE THOUGHT THE HUMAN BODY COULD NOT WITHSTAND A SPEED MUCH GREATER THAN 40 MPH WITHOUT COMING APART....(FAST HORSE)...GUESS THERE WERE A FEW REVISIONS TO THAT ONE !  

DON'T LET PEOPLE GET YOU DOWN GUYS, KEEP ON PLUGGING.  I BELIEVE IN YOU !!!!!!
I've heard of the same thing happening with light tunneling through a thin opaque barrier.
There once was a lady named White
Who found she could travel faster than light
So she set off one day,
In her own relative way,
And returned the previous night.
I recommend as a book "The Forever War" by Joe Haldeman.
It deals with soldiers who fight a war that never ends, and how the soldiers fighting the war slowly become increasingly estranged from their families, communities, society, etc.
With the current war in Iraq, and the growth of 12 month, 18 month deployments within the military, the book is as relevant today as it was when written after Vietnam.
Time dilation due to relativistic effects plays a main role in the book.
Dont see why this could be completely shot out of the water. With all the advances in technology, why would it not be feasible for all of this. I think time will tell. Its like the people who use to say the earth was flat. I mean come on guys just explore the possibilities before you shoot them down.
"The speed of light" usually describes the speed of light in a vacuum.  Under certain curcumstances, and in certain substances, the speed of light can be slowed to the point where I can drive faster than the speed of light (just not in the same medium).
In 1966, the Science Fiction author Bob Shaw created a fictional material called "slow glass".  The glass would slow light to the point where it could take years or decades for the light to emerge on the other side. You could take a piece of slow glass, expose it to an outdoor scene for a considerable lenght of time, then as the scene started to emerge on the far side, hang it as a window in your living room.  
Wheetie: We can only say that te physical constants are what they are. At this time, we can't say WHY they are, but we do know that if you change any of them very much,  you get a universe where life as we know it can't exist (Change the gravitational constant by much, for example, and stars either don't form, or they burn out too fast. [though some think it *may* have changed slightly over time] Changing the sped of light would tend to have similar results.)

Some say the reason we just happened to get the right physical laws to allow life was just dumb luck. Some think *all* possibilites happened, and there are a large (if not infinite) number of other universes, undetectable by any known means, with all possible combinations (univeses with much larger gravitational constants have already undergone Big Crunches), and we are in one of that narrow range of possible universes where we *could* exist. And some...invoke a Deity. Take your pick.
light travels at lower speeds than visible mass
Prof. Tanstaafl, I agree with your analysis, but what if a photon (which is massless) tunnels from one point in space to another without having to travel through the intervening space? This can be proven to happen in many different ways, and indeed it's what happened in this experiment.  That doesn't mean that the photon traveled through space faster than light, it simply disappeared from one position and reappeared at another, as all particles have some probability of doing under quantum mechanics.  The probability of the particle appearing at another point in space decreases with the distance from the point where the particle tunneled in. Thus in theory, a particle could tunnel in at the lab here on earth and tunnel out on the other side of the universe in an instant without ever exceeding the speed of light through space.  Of course, the probability of the particle tunneling that far away is very remote, but if one tests trillions of particles, as was done in this experiment, there is an expectation that several will tunnel a meter. However, the speed of light traveling through space was never really exceeded since the particle did not travel through the intervening space from where it tunneled in and where it tunneled out.

But for anyone who thinks this will allow time travel, you'll be disappointed to hear that the tunneling particle is not distinguishable from noise without the signal (particle) that arrived at regular old light speed. So the bad news is we can't look at our grandparents' lives, the good news is our grandchildren can't look at ours.
"My question: WHY?? Why does mass increase with speed? Why is the speed of light 186,000 miles per second & not some other speed?"

Because of radiation pressure: It may be shown by electromagnetic theory, by quantum theory, or by thermodynamics, making no assumptions as to the nature of the radiation, that the pressure against a surface exposed in a space traversed by radiation uniformly in all directions is equal to one third of the total radiant energy per unit volume within that space.

For black body radiation, in equilibrium with the exposed surface, the energy density is, in accordance with the Stefan-Boltzmann law, equal to σT4/3c; in which σ is the Stefan-Boltzmann constant, c is the speed of light, and T is the absolute temperature of the space. One third of this energy is equal to 6.305×10−17T4 J/(m3K4), which is therefore equal to the pressure in pascals.

"The Universe is a closed system (by definition)"

Well... a single universe is a closed system, but a multiverse might have openings (black holes?) that allow matter/energy/information to transit.

Tom, we can easily measure the round trip time from Earth to Moon witht he laser retroreflectors left there from Apollo. It's perfectly consistent with the accepted value of c. (And if you don't believe in Moon landings, even Amateur Radio operators can get reflections from the Lunar surface at those wavelengths...

the Universe would behave very differently (and likely in a way that would make our existence impossible) if you were right.
The speed of light is not a constant, it depends upon how thick the darkness is. Dark matter varies in density, it is thicker in fog and heavier in cold climates. Also if I have a flash light and turn it on while running, the light will go faster.
A long-time favorite book of mine that I'd like to nominate for the club is "Disturbing the Universe", by Freeman Dyson (Colophon, 1979).  It's a jewel of perspective and understanding of many aspects of space, science, and people.  An example quote: "The fifteen months I spent working on Orion [an atomic bomb-powered spaceship program at General Atomic in the late 1950's] were the most exciting and in many ways the happiest of my scientific life. I particularly enjoyed being immersed in the ethos of engineering, which is very different from the ethos of science. A good scientist is a person with original ideas. A good engineer is a person who makes a design that works with as few original ideas as possible". (In engineering projects, we often call that "risk management" :-).  The book includes recollections of Richard Feynman, with whom Dyson worked, of the stir that a student in one of Dyson's classes caused when he assembled from public sources enough information to build an atomic bomb, and a lot more. You will recognize many of the ideas in science fiction stories you've read in these pages.
Of course light can travel faster than the speed of light just as sound can travel faster than the speed of sound. If you were sitting in an SR72 traveling three times faster than sound can travel; and then you hear a warning sound in the instrument panal, you could hear it. If you were in one of those fancy new UFO's from Nevada that could go faster than lightspeed and turned on the landing lights, you would see the illumination because no matter how fast light travels, it surely will stop when it hits a solid object such as a planet.
Hello All.

It is becoming very obvious the media monster is getting to this observation very quickly. If you notice, in all the articles they blow it all up to make it seem like magic, making science into entertainment. So take articles like these with a grain of rice.

So, when just looking at the facts, they did in fact accelerate the signal beyond the speed of light in our space,it becomes easier to think. This brings me to my point. The Theory of Relativity tells us that, in our space, matter can not travel faster than light. Then, looking at the quantum tunneling idea, we see that the signal does it's traveling out of our universe, bypassing the said law. Instantaneous travel without the signal, from it's perspective, traveling fater than light.
When a signal travels from one medium to other, its velocity changes.so when microwave signal entered the prism its velocity changed.The velocity of most of signal reflected decreased and it will be less than speed of light and the signal which tunneled through the gap had greater velocity than the reflected signal but less than velocity of light and hence the tunneled signal reached the photodetectors at the same time when the reflected signal reached,but not with the velocity greater than velocity of light......
CLUB nomination:  "Brightness Reef", by David Brin.  

At one level, it's a feel-good book about a group of kids succeeding where adults failed.  On the other hand, each kid just happens to be of a different alien species (none human), growing up in a fugitive cooperative society hiding their past sins from a galaxy filled with warring, competing clans.

James Gunn described Brin's vision in this book as "more sophisiticated, dealing in shades of gray [in the battle between good and evil] rather than black and white, and focusing on the long struggle of life striving upward toward intelligence and the stars."  

Brin's principal topic is the condition of intelligent life in the universe.  Ruminations on the difference between "received truth" and "truth that has been tested", on the influence of languange upon creative thought and Darwinian evolution on the grandest scales are integral parts of the plot.

If you're looking for escapism sci-fi that's engaging and entertaining while still filled with deep philosophical questions, this is your book.  I haven't read another book that operates on nearly as many levels in a long, long time.
Some forms of energy are instantaneous, like gravity. Gravity has an instant and powerful effect on distant objects. Not inconceivable that other unknown forms of instantaneous energy exist.
Maybe they have the origins of the Flux Capacitor. All they need now is a used Delorean.  All kidding aside, in Quantum Physics, two sub-atomic particles that are entangled can influence their movements instantly even at large distances like across the universe.  This is already moving faster than the speed of light.
Well, space (and the time to traverse it and therefore speed) definitely seem treated differently as the angle is changed from transmission to total internal reflection.

The train analogy for speeds seems an absolutely poor one. However, the fact that light slows down to below absolute speed of light in the medium at least complicates Nimtz' claim of nonlocality in the overall system.

However, at the least, this fascinating experiment casts some serious doubt on the locality assumption in Bell's theorem and opens the possibility for hidden variables interpretation.
If there were particles or whatever traveling faster than light I doubt we have the technology to detect them.  We can't even detect dark matter or dark energy which are suppose to make up most of the universe according to current theory.  The accepted value for the speed of light might only be valid for our region of space where we have measured it.  There may be many loopholes to the light barrier beyond wormholes that have yet to be discovered or theorized
"now we make another cubejust like the first one, and the two of them will be two sides of the tasseract."
heinlein... from "-and he built a crooked house-"

what if the two sides of the tasseract were, somehow, either defined or existent as the two sides of a prismic device which could be connected to simulate a tasseract [a three dimensional represumption of a four dimensional object -???] would the measurement of light sent through, in, around and beyond the boarders of the original two prisms not be measured as somehow slowing down or, in the very least exceeding the expectations of normal photonic activity [whatever that is]; humm... could [whatever this experiment yields] not be focused in some sort of way as to simulate, if not simple c-speed vs mass, an excelleration {maybe in a different way than wrapping wire to increase volts... amps; but, juxtaposeable to it}. of course, seems only logical that what is yielded could only be used in this way if there is an expectation that something, at least an idea, will be yielded beyond thae already accepted theoriy of light speed or photon preformance
to tim from colorado,
if your father invented a step up transformer that steped up voltage and current, we need to talk about investments immediately.
The misconceptions about going faster than c--and, for that matter, most anything related to the universe so perceived--is the actual observer in question. This is  the brick wall with modern physics. It would be challenging if not impossible to remove all things known in a gravitational environment in order to understand holistically what the universe is all about, for mere word association distorts understanding in a true sense that very concept which so evades. Perhaps it best to become as sterile as possible, to remove all sentient concepts: weight, size, speed, distance, and so on. Understanding the universe as a state of "being", where none of these other things exist would be a starting point. So speed becomes nothing but a form of being whereby when object is interjected thus becomes a point of being between it and that object…and when the human element suddenly appears, we then come up with things like speed, distance…the sentient concept of life unfolding before our very eyes, like a friction itself. The universe presents no mystery, ironically, but that of the perception of it.
I have a question that how can group velocity succeed the speed of the light ?And how can the reason be that?
As I understand, the universe went through a period of inflation in which it grew at a speed faster than that of light. Supposedly at this stage the universe went from being a "point" to the size of a "grape fruit" in an instant. This implies that the amount of energy concentrated in this "point" was infinite. Or maybe that the physical rules that apply within our universe do not apply outside it.
What about gravity waves?? We are supposed to feel the gravity effects from all other bodies in the universe, including black matter, instantaneously. If this is so, then gravity waves are transmitted throughout the universe at far greater speed than light. Since there is a gravity particle responsible for gravity, then either the particle or its effects must be traveling faster than light. Hum, this is beginning to sound like Ptolomeic cosmography, we just add another spin to explain the unexplainable with our current theories.
Required reading: Naked Lunch
I'd like to toss my book suggestion into the ring: "BACK TO THE MOON" by Homer Hickam, the author who gave us THE ROCKET BOYS which became the film OCTOBER SKY. BACK TO THE MOON is a fun, intriguing, thoughtful look at our energy needs and the viability of continued lunar development wrapped in a wonderfully fun heist-caper revolving around stealing an American Space Shuttle and flying it to the moon in an effort to harvest Helium-3 as the fuel to power a new era of cold fusion.
Great, thought-provoking story.
ok after reading all of this and from what i can wrap my mind around the comment about a black hole could poke a few holes in the speed of light theory that nothing can travel faster that that set speed if light traveling away from a black hole gets trapped in the gravitational field and gets pulled back in to the black hole then we could say that the force of the field was faster than the speed of light. imagine a car on a treadmill the car is locked into a max speed of 55 mph the treadmill is running at 55 mph and that laws of physics said that this speed was the maximum that anything in the universe can travel. the car would stay in one set spot. now leave the car running at 55mph and turn up the speed of the treadmill to say about 58 mph the car now slowly gets pulled backwards loosing ground. the force of the treadmill has now went past the stated force and speed that was once said was a constant maximum that the laws of physics said was impossible. that could prove that that cap on the speed of light might have just been a bottleneck that science was unable to have a viable workaround untill now.
I've always believed that time travel is possible.  So is returning the dead to life and travelling to space and travelling to the moon.  Yep -- the last thing has already happened, (and when it did, even I was surprised...I knew it would happen eventually...but didn't expect it to happen in my lifetime!)  Now, a bit of the possiblity of time travel is coming true, as well.  I wonder if anyone else has this feeling I've had for the last few years...."Help!  The Future is here -- and I'm not ready for it!"   : )  Well, actually I am....but it is sort of a shock when your dreams actually are beginning, slowly, to come true!!!!!

P.S.  For more explorations of the unusual, and a delightful radio program, please see:
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When light passes a black hole itcan be pulled in. If you can pull it you can push it ie accelerate by force. Oh yeah what constants actually exist?
                              Marty.
Someone named "huh?" wrote: I am still tyring to go over the speed limit in my CAR without getting caught breaking any laws. Does this mean two objects can occupy the same space at the same time??? And if for every reaction there is an equal and---well you know, does that mean something someplace else slows down?? All in fun--
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So when you get pulled over tell the cop theres no way that was you speeding and it had to be another car, then explain the article... haha

I still want to know what would happen if I was to paint my car with the same stuff they use on the stealth bombers... could the radar detect my speed? haha

all in fun again, but that article was an interesting read. I'm not very read on physics but if something grabs my interest I'll read it. the above comments were all very interesting as well... well, the ones that had something to do with physics and the one about speeding anyway...
there appear to be a few minor misconceptions floating around.  Theoretically, mass cannot cross the speed of light barrier (tachyons, if there are any, are on the other side already.  They're still going "forward" in time, but their "forward" is our "backward"  Photons have mass and they are already at light speed, so - perahaps - they can "slow down" on either side?).  Not to say nothing can - do the thought experiment:  If I have a long bar of rigid material and I push on one end, the other end moves simultaneously.  Hence, information can be transferred from one place to another instantaneously without violating any law of physics.  The information itself has no mass.  Are entangled electrons extradimensionally physically linked?  That would explain the transfer of information instantaneously.
 Transubstantiation of a metal bar - if it re-locates the bar, why would the bar in a new location exhibit characteristics different from in the previous location - and if it did, could it be considered the same bar?  
  Headlights in the tunnel - speed of light is relative.  That is, the speed of light relative to the driver in the tunnel would remain the same and the driver would perceive no difference.  The rate at which he moved through time would change, but he wouldn't observe that.  Tunnel walls would certainly go by quickle...  And his mass would be infinite, so if he collided with anything...  
  Einstein had a marvelous gift of explaining the incomprehensible so clearly as to make it seem obvious.  His example of a person on a moving train dropping an object and observing its fall as being vertical...  
  As far as time travel goes, the question is not whether it's possible since we're all doing it right now.  The question is not can we change the rate of travel, which we have already accomplished in the physics lab.  The remaining question seems to be can we get from one place in time to another without traversing the intermediate physical "dimension" of time, which presents some rather significant non-philosophical obstacles, the greatest one of which (as I see it) is that if I could abruptly leave this phisical location and re-appear in it a minute earlier or later, "here" wouldn't have gotten here yet or would have left here a minute ago.  Ignoring many astronomical movements and limiting myself to orbital rotation, if I could instantly go back in time half a year, I would find myself in the vacuum of space with the planet earth on the opposite side of the sun.  I don't see anything in physics that would permit me to be three hundred million kilometers from where I am now instantaneously.
  Lest I forget - we can neither create nor destroy energy or matter, (but artifacts in your cloud chambre do seem to pop in and out from the "nowhere" out there...) but there is an equivalence of one for the other, and we can change one to the other.  We did this at, for instance, Eniwetok.  The famous Einstein equation covers that.  
If visitors from the future time-traveled to their past (our present), we would not perceive them since they exist only in our future.
Time travel is possible without paradox. Any alteration in the past switches the timeline to an alternate universe within the multiverse. However sending USEFUL imformation with the methods described is not possible, and the only way to prove a FTL link is to compare the signals after ther event-no use for retrocausal purposes. I have built a device that CAN send USEFUL data back in time however. But I intend to keep it to myself and blackmail the world into creating human rights for its citizens. Want to know when the next earthquake in Iran is? Stop executing women under sharia psuedo-law. Want to know where the next drug related shooting in the USA is? Reverse the asset seizure of farmers growing a small amount of marjuana. See the inquistion21 site for a list of other human rights abuse that MUST be addressed with compensation given to victims (and punishment of corrupt judges and political leaders) before I allow mankind the total eradication of crime and natural disaster from the earth using my precognitive device.
"since e=mc^2 was 1st written, a lot has been discovered about quantum physics.  I bet, if somebody were to check, the real equation looks something like e=mc^2 + amc^3 + bmc^4... etc, etc, etc."

The energy mass equivalence has nothing to do with it.  In that equation the speed of light squared is just a ratio.  The mass multiplied by the speed of light squared is the potential energy of the system.
The equation is really E = 1/2mv^2 + mc^2, where 1/2mv^2 is the Kinetic energy of the system, if the system is at rest, the kinetic energy is zero, which makes the equation E=mc^2.

The lorentz factor is what prevents a system from moving faster than the speed of light.  The rate at which time passes is a multiple of the lorentz factor.  At rest, the lorentz factor is 1 and time passes as normal.  However, as your velocity through space increases, the lorentz factor approaches Zero, and the rate at which time passes decreases.  If your velocity were equal to the speed of light, then the lorentz factor would equal zero and time would not pass at all.

"2) The laws of physics currently known only restrict movement of matter at "c" itself.  There's nothing stopping anything from moving faster that c, just as there is nothing about going slower than c. "

This is not true either.  In theory, If for an instant your velocity exceeded the speed of light, the lorentz factor would become negative, and for that instant, time would move backwards until you are no longer exceeding the speed of light.  This does not imply that your position in space would reverse, only your position in time.

It is true that the velocity of light is not constant.  Light travels fastest through a vacuum, but slows through a gas, slows even more through a liquid, and slows the most through a solid.  However, the change in velocity is not very significant.

It makes perfect sense that matter can not travel faster than the speed of light, because particles are just wave packets, including photons (light).  In layman's terms: Matter and light are made of the same stuff.

I highly recommend that everyone take a modern physics class.  It was the best thing I ever did.  It will keep you from believing in things like aliens and time travel.
"QUESTION.   WHY HAVE OUR ASTROPHYSISTS ALREADY STATED THE UNIVERSE IS EXPANDING FASTER THAN THE SPEED OF LIGHT.  DUH ??? "

It's because spacetime itself is expanding. DUH.

If you take some physics classes this will be explained to you.
"If Time is NOT linear - if Time simply is a human construct to list events. . . if sequence has no validity outside a chronological linear construct - then why should causality not go "both" ways? "

Because of Entropy.


"If "C" = zero (instantaneous) then "E" must equal zero for the equation to balance (zero = zero). "M" (mass) can be any value from zero to infinity. This presents us with the possibility of having infinite mass without the presence of either velocity or energy ( 0 = infinite mass times 0 squared). "

"C" represents the speed of light in a vacuum.  It does not equal zero.


"I think we are forgetting something when we speak of Einstein's THEORY of relativity: that it is a THEORY! .... Newton's ideas have yet to bridge the gap to become FACT"

Relativity is no longer a theory, it is now proven fact.  Einstein's relativity proved that Newton's laws did not hold true at high velocities.  So technically, Einstein proved that Newtonian physics are incorrect, and many many many experiments have been done to confirm that Einstein's equations were the correct ones.  Einstein's equations are basically Newtons laws to which we apply the Lorentz factor.  When the speed of a system is zero, then the relativistic equations equal newtons equations.

"If you want to understand where c comes from better, a book you can read is "It's about Time" by N. David Mermin.  You don't need anything more than HS algebra to understand the book"

You also do not need more than HS algebra to get a basic understanding of relativistic physics, since you are just adding a variable to newtons equations.
"What about gravity waves?? We are supposed to feel the gravity effects from all other bodies in the universe, including black matter, instantaneously"

This is not true.  Gravity waves also travel at the speed of light.
Relativity is predictably incorrect. Every generation "knows everything about everything". Right, no MOJO.

I hypothesize that the illusive "graviton" and "dark matter" both are faster than light.

Certainly light is not the fastest speed in the universe by far. without even mentioning the spacial "jumps" etc: Muons, "dark energites", neutrinos and possibly even "dark matterites" are probably, if not certainly faster than light for example.

It's all but funny when they now say " big bang" happened everywhere at once" yet it should come from a "singularity"? They say this to compel relativity "laws" which are made to be broken. Otherwise all the stars and galaxies even should be instantly traveling millions of times the speed of light and then brake instantly again to be in their current positions. Let's all applaud the clowns.
The mere existence of a black hole proves that light is NOT the fastest thing, simply because it cannot escape the event horizon. Light can be affected by gravity and magnetic energy. Thereby it also has mass because it is being pulled or pushed, not oscillated or modulated.

And Gravity is faster than light because we have a constant pull from the sun, and even from our milky way core, light more than 8 minutes to travel from the sun to the earth, so imagine the distance from our sun to the center of the galaxy. If Gravity were as slow as light then perhaps the center of our galaxy is already gone and we haven't noticed yet because it takes several million light years for light(in this case gravity) to travel to us. So the idea(theory) that light is the fastest thing is incorrect.  
Time is not a constant and it is only our perception in our world of physics.

To assume that we know what time is or is not is ridiculous, just as is saying that LAWS of physics that we interpret are finite. So adding "Time" to "C" is like mixing oil and vinegar, HS level algebra? So funny. Lets just see what LHC tells us in the next few years. If they find the HIGGS then all bets are off!
And how can someone say gravity "waves"?

Again so funny, we don't even know if gravity is a wave, a dimension or perhaps particles!

Somebody needs to go back to "HS algebra". Bo and Luke Duke, the good ole boys.
James Conyer, I think that if future people will discover how to travel in time they would go to a better time than this.  They would go somewhere cool, like Pangea or the Roman Empire.
Or maybe because there is no future right now because time hasn't gotten that far
I like the laser ship, somebody have to explain those burocratic theoreticians what engineers can do. I'm ready to be your manager. But for inhabited planets is too early, excluding earth of course.
What about applying MOSS as a teleport to transform humans, Won't need money to buy a ticked and enjoy poor totalitarian service.


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