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Faster than light ... again?

Posted: Friday, August 17, 2007 7:46 PM by Alan Boyle

The Slashdot set is buzzing over a new experiment that seems to indicate light can move faster than … um, the speed of light. The fact that the last statement sounds so strange hints at the bizarre caveats that surround such experiments, and mainstream scientists have argued for years that the phenomena really don’t break Einstein’s rules of the relativistic road. At the same time, they admit that the results are pretty darn weird. And weirder experiments are on their way.

The latest controversy focuses on research conducted by physicists Günter Nimtz and Alfons Stahlhofen of the University of Koblenz in Germany. They set up an apparatus using microwaves and two prisms to look for a phenomenon called quantum tunneling - basically, a phenomenon in which a particle can sneak through places where it's not supposed to go and pop up on the other side.

The outcome is described in their research paper and summarized in a New Scientist report. First the two prisms were set against each other with a small gap between them. When the microwaves were sent through the apparatus, most of the signal was reflected internally by the first prism - but some of the signal tunneled through the gap and went through the second prism.

Nimtz and Stahlhofen found that the reflected signal and its quantum-tunneling doppelgänger arrived at their respective photodetectors at the same time. That led them to the conclusion that, in effect, the tunneling photons bridged the gap between the prisms instantly, violating the 186,000-mile-per-second speed limit laid out in the special theory of relativity.

"This is the only violation that I know of," Nimtz is quoted as saying.

The research hasn't appeared in a publication yet. In fact, the online version was just submitted for review a couple of weeks ago. But it's already drawn plenty of comments in the geek world, from A (for Ars Technica) to Z (for ZDNet).

"Unfortunately, the claim is worse than weak; it is silly," Chris Lee writes on Ars Technica.

Others are more cautious in their criticism, but the bottom line is that physics can play tricks when you use quantum phenomena to look for loopholes in relativity. Over the past several years, Nimtz has taken aim at this subject multiple times, and he hasn't convincingly hit the bull's-eye yet.

A seemingly faster-than-light effect can arise from the way a signal is shifted as it travels through different media. The crest of a wave in one medium may become a valley in another medium, and the valley may become a crest. It may look as if that crest has zipped ahead faster than the speed of light - but in actuality, it's just the same old wave with its shape shifted.

We delved into this explanation more fully four years ago and revisited the subject specifically with regard to Nimtz's research in a follow-up. The phenomenon of quantum tunneling makes the latest results even fuzzier, figuratively and literally. To learn more about how physicists play fast and loose with faster-than-light experiments, check out this entry from the Physics FAQ and this discussion of group velocity on the MathPages.

When it comes to assessing the latest faster-than-light research, I particularly like the down-to-earth explanation that New Scientist was given by Aephraim Steinberg, a quantum optics expert at the University of Toronto:

"Steinberg explains Nimtz and Stahlhofen's observations by way of analogy with a 20-car bullet train departing Chicago for New York. The stopwatch starts when the centre of the train leaves the station, but the train leaves cars behind at each stop. So when the train arrives in New York, now comprising only two cars, the centre has moved ahead, although the train itself hasn't exceeded its reported speed.

"'If you're standing at the two stations, looking at your watch, it seems to you these people have broken the speed limit,' Steinberg says. 'They've got there faster than they should have, but it just happens that the only ones you see arrive are in the front car. So they had that head start, but they were never travelling especially fast.'"

For further reflections on faster-than-light experiments and quantum tunnelling, check out this this Alternate View column (and this one) from University of Washington physicist John Cramer.

Speaking of Cramer, I figured this was a good day to check in on the progress of his own weird quantum experiment. Cramer has been gearing up to test whether causality can go backward in time, thanks to quantum entanglement.

The last time I checked, Cramer was hoping to wrap up his laser-and-mirrors experiment by Sept. 15, because the apparatus he was working with was supposed to be dismantled by that time to make room for the next occupant. "Probably that was optimistic," he told me today. He isn't even finished assembling the rig for doing the entanglement test. 

Fortunately, the deadline pressure has gone away because Cramer has found alternate lab space at the university. "Last week we successfully moved the laser and the rest of the equipment two doors down," Cramer said. He no longer worries about having to move just when the experiment is reaching its retrocausational climax.

"I feel a lot more relieved," the physicist told me.

Will Cramer's experiment turn up fantastic new twists at the intersection of quantum mechanics and relativity? Will it spark a fuzzy controversy, like the debate over seemingly faster-than-light communication? Or will it simply fizzle? Cramer doesn't know if his experiment will result in new physics - but he's anxious to find out.

"There are things that can move faster than light, but signals don't seem to be among them," Cramer said. "Unless our experiment works."

Update for 8:40 p.m. ET Aug. 17: The debate over causality would seem quite peculiar to some of the characters in Kurt Vonnegut's classic, "Slaughterhouse-Five." On one level, the book is a semiautobiographical novel about the 1945 firebombing of Dresden and the outrages of war. On another level, it's a science-fiction story about the nature of time and Tralfamadorian timelessness. And on an even deeper level, it's a philosophical meditation on the human condition, with all its wonders and horrors.

That makes it a perfect selection for the Cosmic Log Used-Book Club, our mostly monthly offering of books with cosmic themes that have been around long enough to become available at public libraries and used-book shops. In fact, "Slaughterhouse-Five" has been around long enough to become available as an audio book and a movie on DVD. But it's still a particularly timely selection, due to the current debate over the war on Iraq as well as Vonnegut's recent passing.

Judith Moore suggested "Slaughterhouse-Five" in response to last month's CLUB Club offerings, and as a reward I'm sending her a copy of "Rocketeers," Michael Belfiore's just-published book about the private-sector space race. Do you have a nomination for future CLUB Club selections? Leave your suggestion as a comment below, and you might just earn a book as well.

Update for 8:50 p.m. ET Jan. 9, 2008: For an update on Cramer's experiment, check out this progress report.

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Does this mean that E=MC^2 has to be re-evaluated?
JOB by Heinlein is a good read always.  Not his best book but very good.  It ties in fairly well to this subject matter also... In a weird sort of way, which is appropriate.
OK, here's an idea for a short story...
Scientists at long last arrive at an ability to transform a physical object into an atomic collection of matter which they then attempt to tunnel to a destinatiion some feet away.

They crank up the gizmo, all eyes first on the subject, a bar of metal, and second on the glass chamber on the destination table, the prizm lights and lazers bathing everything in a theatric glow.

They hit the button.

Before their eyes, the metal bar in the test chamber is surrounded in mist, and a mist forms in the destination chamber.

Slowly a ghostly image shows up in the destination box, opaque and hovering.

Then the scientist are greatly startled when the matter in the second chamber suddenly turns solid.  This is the last moment before the destruction.

The tunneled metal bar fell straight through the bottom of the chamber and the table on which it sat.  If fell straight through the floor and the ground beneath, through dirt and rock, blazing a hole as it travelled all the way to the mantle.

The resulting volcano was massive and rendered total annihilation to all but a few microscopic life forms, after the cloud blocked out the sun and the planet turned to solid ice.

Maybe we shouldn't fool around with this stuff?

Peace babies, all in the name of humor!  ;-)
-funz
Hi!!! I have been thinking about how to eccelerate a signal faster than light speed for a short while and I believe that if you use a particle accelerator and induce the speed of the particle with an electromagnetic flow via electromagnetic induction as in tesla's coil and his step-up transformer design which increases the volts and amperes via the number of wraps of the secondary winding to the primary winding for the volts and the size (diameter) of the wire to influence the amperes, that if you run the electromagnetic field along the path of the eccelerator in the direction of the particle to be accelerated and increase the voltage of the induced field suffeciently then you can influence the speed of the particle.,,, Please realize that Tesla's design of a step-up transformer was a true step-up transformer which amplified volts and amperes at the same time, that was before the corrupt power companies of the time squashed his designs according to my dad who was a Master engineer and was personally involved in Tesla's case. So GOD Bless and the Peace of JESUS to you!!!
Relativity says only that nothing can move THROUGH space faster than "c". Tunneling, or wormholes, or other methods that let you travel a shorter path than a straight line, are still valid.
Some kind of search feature with three buttons is appearing over the first lines of text of this article.  It has happened before, please fix, I'd like to get the whole story, and it's blotted out by the way you've set up your web page.
One of the best books about FTL communication, quantum wierdness, the contradictions against "non-local" communications, a possible Cosmic Censor bent on not allowing it, and how Big science is actually done, is Gregory Benford's classic novel "Timescape", where scientists in the near future try to use a stream of tachyons to communicate to a past (1960s to be exact) Earth to warn of an global ecological disaster if things don't change.
I was wondering when the next Book Club announcement was coming, because I have a suggestion ready to go.

"Operating Manual for Spaceship Earth" by R. Buckminster Fuller. As a paperback, it's a tiny little thing. But anyone familiar with Bucky's work knows better than to judge based on that. This little book is one of the most conceptually dense works I've ever read. As in his other works, Fuller sets out to explain as much as possible as comprehensively as possible in as short a space as possible, and he succeeds. From the history of the world that most people never hear about, he embarks on a trail to state how the world came to work as it does, and how it can be made to work not just more efficiently, but regeneratively. We know of this concept as "renewable resources" but Bucky doesn't stop at wood, wind and solar vs. oil, gas and coal power. He argues that we can operate the entire planet at a net "profit", the basis for value being energy itself. One can certainly find the book used, or order it from the Buckminster Fuller Institute's book store. But, just as with many other of his works, they give it away for free. One can read it online at

http://bfi.org/our_programs/who_is_buckminster_fuller/
online_resources/operating_manual_
for_spaceship_earth_by_r_buckminster_fuller


In fact, I would hope people would read it online, so that they would pass through the main page at BFI (http://www.bfi.org/) and see the announcement for the first Buckminster Fuller Challenge competition. Starting September 4, they're taking proposals for workable ideas that "support the development and implementation of a solution with significant potential to solve the world's most pressing problems in the shortest possible time while enhancing the Earth's ecological integrity." Winner takes home $100,000.

So there you go. A used book that costs nothing, and you have a chance to earn money besides, while contributing to a better planet for everyone. This is just the kind of idea Bucky loved.
Essential principles of Enstein theory were made by measurement of ratio between electron charge and mass. He  imagined that e charge is constant, but mass at speed 299000km/s is infinity. It is wrong and absurd-any speed change only electromagnetical characteristics of body.
Please consider "The Chicken Little Agenda - Debunking Experts' Lies" for the book club. This book is not entirely about cosmic things, although one chapter in particular deals directly with the subject. The book examines the environmental movement from an historical basis, takes a close look at nuclear power and nuclear weapons, and generally pokes a critical finger at many commonly accepted notions.
I nominate A Wrinkle in Time by Madelein L'Engle as a Cosmic Log Used-Book Club selection. Timely!
IN my way of thinking a black hole is something that "MUST HAVE" something in it that has something that is faster the light.  Even if it is just going about .01mph faster then light it has got to be going faster because if it wasn't then you could see an outline at the very least.  
I would suggest as a selection for your book club Alfred Bester's classic "The Stars My Destination".  It DOES deal with a method of faster then light travel (i.e. instantaneous teleportation) though it is not addressed as such in the story.  Bester was not as prolific as some of the other 'giants' in the field, but his stories stand the test of time.
My coinventor, physicist, Michael E. miller and myself, Engineer, Larry D. Maurer have acquired international patents on our MW CPA laser system with (10) claims back in 1986 (US Pat. No. 4,817,102) and we have a technical book entitled "Laser Propulsion" that encorporates quantum tunneling for FTL spaceship dsign in 2002. Please visit our web site to read more. Dr Gunter Nimtz and Dr Alfons Stahlhofen have semi-proven what we wanted to do in the lab which we hope to do with our spaceship prototype soon. We have a contract to construct our AASL CPA-MW activated lens here in the Portland, OR area. We hope to be in touch with the two German scientists to hopefully gain their interest in our spaceship design that will encorporate MQT to traverse the vast distances across the universe to explore new habitable planets.
I appreciate very much the experiments testing Light Speed; however, such can only reflect a phenomenon quirk and not a true indication of super-speed. Truly, many physics adoptions are in need of refinement, but even CERN will find little more than
particles of light in its quest for the Ultimate Particle. I would quantize Light Particles at a conservative 4.77 x 10 to 33rd power lp/eV--but always limited to 'c' maximum.
Ben Winter
Faster than light? That would make me believe this research team needs a new and better stopwatch. I would guess -without having read their experimental procedure- that their detectors weren't sensitive enough to notice the difference in the arrival times of the microwaves.
Theoretically the concept of faster then light speed capabilities have been understood as the "quantum effect" for quite some time. Namely that an event happening here and now can be known across the universe instantaneously. So it is not so strange to say that quantum tunneling is already a very understood principle that is trying to empirically proof itself and maybe finally has. I believe in faster then light speed capabilities.
Two Sci-Fi books I would recommend:

One I'm sure you know - The Martian Chronicles

One you might not - Beyond the Fall of Night (Awesome)
We’re nerds at heart. So when we read these articles from Cosmic Log and Slashdot about possible quantum tunneling, where particles move faster than the speed of light, we immediately thought of Star Trek: DS9. Although there’s a lot
Mostly impressive responses. Tim is 100% correct. These guys are not accounting for something though I cannot describe what they ar missing. I guess future generations won't master time/space travel any more than we have since none of them have made it back to this time in one piece. I am not disagreeing with Dr. Maurer et al, however, that they can make space travel much faster (it would have to be to be practical) but I don't have the inclination to be one of the first to attempt it. I keep thinking there is a decent chance I couldn't return and/or wouldn't survive. Dr. Maurer-good luck and I hope you succeed.
I am still tyring to go over the speed limit in my CAR without getting caught breaking any laws. Does this mean two objects can occupy the same space at the same time??? And if for every reaction there is an equal and---well you know, does that mean something someplace else slows down?? All in fun--
I am not surprised. Many nerdy sages travelled at the speed of THOUGHT in the Indus Valley Civilization.

The concept may be foreign/unique and subject to ridicule by intellectually challenged in the western science community but worth looking into by open minded scientists.

It requires a lot of Yoga practice of the Mind. The ancient scriptures talk of Yogis materializing at will.

Something to think about!
If only it were true, think of the possibilities of a way to go faster than light? If only we could be so lucky.
The world is perfectly flat.  Light cannot be seen by the human eye;  e-0  "To the Moon. Alice"  Bottom Line - "Who cares?"  Time is almost up - where will you go?  Yikes!
to Justin Merrifield: I thought it was Against the Fall of Night. Or is that a different book? If my books were in better order, I could find out, but unfortunately they were shelved by someone who has absolutely no concept of order (my daughter, whom I love to distraction).
Everybody keeps saying that nothing can travel faster than light, because as an object approaches lightspeed it increases in mass until, at c, it has infinite mass & requires infinite energy to accelerate further. My question: WHY?? Why does mass increase with speed? Why is the speed of light 186,000 miles per second & not some other speed?
Robert A Heinlein really caught my imagination early on and has inspired my vision of what could be, for better or worse.  I know two or more of his titles are already on the list, but several more titles deserve consideration. Here are a few that I would nominate for the CLUB Club:

Red Planet - The first RAH book I ever read, checked out  from my library, recounting the relationship between a human and Martian with an unexpected twist of intelligence where least expected.  His other juvenile fiction is fun and imagination-inducing, especially for teenage boys (like I was): "Citizen of the Galaxy" and "Starman Jones" are on my re-read list.

The Moon is a Harsh Mistress - A tale of lunar colonization with parallels to prison colonies on Earth and what happens when the colonists realize they don't have to "just take it" anymore. TANSTAAFL!

The Number of the Beast - Not as well received critically (like much of his later work), but still a fun romp of time travel and parallel universes, some being RAH's own worlds but also a few brushes with other well-known literary worlds such as Oz and the England of Lewis Carrol.

(Also "Time Enough for Love" and "To Sail Beyond the Sunset" - it's not so much Lazarus Long I like, but the rest of the cast of characters.)
So can Cramer get his results before the equipment is built?
So if I'm traveling faster than light in a tunnel and turn on my headlights, what happens?
I don't think the experiment means that the delay is zero for the transmitted beam. This more likely means the delay increases for the reflected beam because of second prism influence.
I don't know why anyone has a problem with these experiments, other than the elementary nature of the procedure. Quantum tunneling is no big deal. We've been using flux capacitors and Klystron relays with much greater effect for years. Oh wait, what year is it again?
As a particle accelerates to a respectable fraction of C, it gains apparent mass. As that velocity approaches C, the apparent mass of the particle could actually 'bridge' the distance from the launch point to the target. In effect, a train with enough cars to bridge the distance from Chicago to New York. As Einstein put it, "Infinite speed implies infinite mass". I, for one, would like to see tunneling explained in more detail, not just explained away. Its not at all silly as Mr. Lee stated.
something I have never heard explained before... if light traveling at 186kmps is caught by a suprmassive black hole... and can not escape... as it spirals into the singularity.. under extreme gravitational dymamics.. why would it's velocity not increase beyond 186kmps??? or does it just maintain its fixed speed contrary to the capturing forces of the black hole??? perhaps its my small mind..  but if a photon is capturable and drawn into a black hole.. it seems to me it could be excellerated beyond its original speed of 186kmps.... otherwise the photon would actually be, by its own limiting velocity be applying a reverse drag against the forces that captired it... much like a ant trying ot swim backwards out of a liquid whirl pool.... and that seem very unlikely... so I for one believe faster than fixed light speed is possble under conditions that can only be produced by super massive black hole or similar phenomena....
Germans invented E=mc^2 they should be allowed to break it !

By the way, How about Interstellar Travel ?

If Time is NOT linear - if Time simply is a human construct to list events. . . if sequence has no validity outside a chronological linear construct - then why should causality not go "both" ways?  

According to one group of American Indians which conceives of Time as a spiral, causality neither can go backward nor forward.  You can be in touch with (observe) past, present, and future yet influence the future only slightly (has to do with distance and proximity) and the past not at all, only your own perception of it.

Pardon me for turning philosophical.  Couldn't resist.
How did they determine that the distance between the prisms was same as the internal distance (whithin the prism) covered by the photons when total internal reflection happens. I would also imagine that the photons might be travelling slower within the prism than in the gap (air) between the prisms. What say ????
I thought that this was all kind of old news. I seem to recollect that 'faster than light' information transmission has been proven possible by manipulating the spin on a particle and its anti-particle twin....changing the spin on the particle causes the spin on the anti-particle to change instantly, no matter the physical 'distance' between the two....essentially conveying information faster than C.
Alan,
I cannot recall any of Einstein's writings that assigned a permanent and fixed value to the speed of light.  Einstein, it seems, always used (plugged in) the then current measurement of light speed in his famous equation. So, it seems that E=MC2 holds up (is valid) regardless of subsequent variations in measurements of the speed of light.

How-so-ever, it is curious to analyze Einstein's E=MC2 when "C" is instantaneous or zero. If "C" = zero (instantaneous) then "E" must equal zero for the equation to balance (zero = zero). "M" (mass) can be any value from zero to infinity. This presents us with the possibility of having infinite mass without the presence of either velocity or energy ( 0 = infinite mass times 0 squared).

The presence of mass (M) without either the presence of velocity (C) or energy (E) gives us the equation for a couch potato!
Cool.  So when do the DIY kits for these mad science projects hit stores like Spencer's or KayBee Toys?  I want one!  Just so I can experience the real-life version of "The Sound of Thunder," you see.
To explain that, one doesn't need to mention Heisenberg, but simply consider Huygens–Fresnel principle: "The propagation of a wave can be visualized by considering every point on a wavefront as a point source for a secondary radial wave", and Fermat's principle: "the path taken between two points by a ray of light is the path that can be traversed in the least time".

If you read the actual paper, you'll see that the author's fallacy is in assuming that the direct wave in that experiment propagates along a straight ray. In fact, it propagates in "least time" path, which is not linear and lays within sub-critical angle. This is why the same paradox will hold for sound wave, too.

Stanislaw Lem: KIBERIADA
I think we are forgetting something when we speak of Einstein's THEORY of relativity: that it is a THEORY! Of course, this is not to say that there is no validity to it but it has yet to make the transition from theory to LAW (i.e. Newton's LAW of gravitation, for example, but then, Newton's ideas have yet to bridge the gap to become FACT.) There is soooooooooooooooo much we have yet to understand about the universe that we are better served to say that we know next to nothing rather than to brag about what we BELIEVE to be true. (Hmmmmm..... belief = religion????) Remember, Ptolome's ideas held sway over how our ancestors saw the world for thousands of years.....until he was proven wrong. He is STILL considered to be a brilliant man but are his ideas truly ANY different than Einstein's?? Another thing to remember is that when they were designing the atomic bomb, there were two schools of thought as to what the outcome would be: the first said that there was not enough fissionable material in the whole UNIVERSE to create an atomic weapon and the second was concerned that the reaction could go completely out of control and destroy the entire world. Sadly, we know the outcome. Keep in mind that ideas that sound totally outrageous TODAY may be what takes us forward to our FUTURE.

Ponder this: Kirk's communicator = cell phone. The only TRUE difference between the two? About 30 years.
Wow your all talking way over a poor dumb electricians head.
 After scaning through this conglamaration of sceice fiction I feel that Albert may have been wrong about absolute speed. That is OK Albert would be thrilled at the advances that have been made.
 Not Bad for a man who had to take a remeadialy math course, he's kept the rest of the world thinking.
I don't believe in the speed of light, I think it is instantaneous, for example the light from a galaxy 100 so called light years away takes 100 years to get to the earth, BUT if I go outside the next night I see the same light again so it didn't take even 24 hours to get here.
Moving faster than light means travelling back in time....Get ready to see the childhoods of your grandparents!!!!
Why are there no visitors in the present from the future? Not because time travel is impossible. But, in all probability the human race will wipe itself out before we can make the discovery.
The Universe is a closed system (by definition) and thus the following MUST be true:

Matter can neither be created nor destroyed.
Energy can neither be created nor destroyed.

Matter that approaches the speed of light gains apparent mass (experimentally verified). Thus the only way to maintain the energy / matter balance in the universe is for the matter to convert to energy as it it reaches apparent infinite mass.  Thus we see bursts of x-ray energy when matter reaches the event horizon of a black hole.  Immutable physical laws maintain order in the universe.

If the photons carrying the microwave energy exceeded the speed of light there should have been a burst of radiation.  I have not read of that occurring.

I suspect what this experiment is actually demonstrating is that the setup has some hidden flaw that either a.) allowed for leakage of microwave energy, b.) failed to detect variations in phase of the waveform, c.) is actually observing another phenomena that is well understood, but being manifested in an unusual way or d.)some combination of some or all of the above.

Occam's Razor still applies (The simplest explanation is usually the correct one).
I'd suggest "What Mad Universe?" by Fredric Brown as a book selection.  It is one of the very first treatments of the possibilities inherent in a multiple universe cosmos.
Weetie,
If you want to understand where c comes from better, a book you can read is "It's about Time" by N. David Mermin.  You don't need anything more than HS algebra to understand the book.  The answer to the question is "we don't know." So far as we can tell it is a fundamental constant.

mthomas, the germans didn't actually discover c.  It was James Clerk Maxwell, a Scotsman, we have to blame for that, while he was working out the math behind his famous equations. If I understand correctly, Einstein took the constancy of c as an assumption and tried to work out a consistent mathematics for it.

One factoid from the book I mention above: Einstein didn't "invent" or "discover" relativity, which was first expressed formally by Galileo, for DYNAMICAL SYSTEMS.  What he did was extend the already existing concept of relativity to electro-dynamical systems.




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