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Cell-proof your skivvies?

Posted: Tuesday, May 22, 2007 5:30 PM by Alan Boyle

Is that a radiation shield in your shorts, or are you just glad to see me?

A Swiss clothing company has generated a buzz in the blogosphere by coming out with a line of underwear beefed up with silver threads to protect a guy’s private parts from cellphone radiation.

This comes in the wake of controversial research reporting a correlation between higher cellphone usage and lower sperm counts. But don't be too quick to send your $24 to Switzerland: The researcher behind one of those studies says wearing radiation-proof undies is a rather silly idea.

Even ISA Bodywear's Andreas Sallmann, the guy who came up with the idea, admits that the scientific evidence linking cell phones to reduced male fertility is ambiguous at best. "But if a risk exists, I make it possible to avoid it," he told Le Matin, a French-language newspaper in Switzerland. That was the article that started setting the blogs abuzz.

Sallmann was moved to action by research from the University of Szeged in Hungary, which reported the cellphone/sperm count connection back in 2004. More recently, a study led by Cleveland Clinic's Ashok Agarwal found a similar connection: Men who spent more than four hours a day on cell phones had lower sperm counts, less active sperm and more irregular-shaped sperm.

However, Agarwal told me today that it's not yet clear what the cause and effect might be. Maybe it has to do with a cell phone's warmth - something that longjohns laced with lead wouldn't protect you from. "It could be direct action of electromagnetic waves, but we still don't know how far those waves travel from the cell phone to the testicles," Agarwal said. "It's a riddle. We don't know the answer."

One possibility is that heavy-duty cellphone use and wimpy sperm are both related to lifestyle factors: A guy who's on his cell several hours a day might be facing enough stress to depress his fertility, even if radiation isn't a factor at all. Or maybe he's just not getting his fruits and veggies.

Agarwal said he's conducting a follow-up study on the cell/sperm connection, but he's not certain whether even that study will resolve all the unknowns. In contrast, he is certain that there's no scientific basis for wearing metal-lined undies.

"I don't think it is anything serious," he said. "It seems to me to be something unrelated to the work that we are doing. I think it's more for generating publicity for their line of briefs, and trying to use this as a selling gimmick. I don't think there's any science behind it."

But you knew that already, didn't you?

On a related but more serious note, the BBC's "Panorama" TV program raised questions this week about the health risks posed by wireless Internet hotspots at British schools. The show reported that radio frequency radiation levels in some schools were up to three times as high as the level found around cellphone towers.

Panorama noted that the link between radio frequency radiation and health problems such as cancer is tenuous, and that the British government says there's no risk. But concerns about cellphone radiation have become so widespread that the fresh reports are sparking second thoughts about Wi-Fi as well.

"I am asking schools to consider very seriously whether they should be installing Wi-Fi networks now, and this will make them think twice or three times before they do it," Philip Parkin, the general secretary of Britain's Professional Association of Teachers, is quoted as saying..

I solicited some comments from Glenn Fleishman, the editor of Wi-Fi Networking News and a self-described "Unsolicited Pundit." Here's his e-mailed response:

"I hope I don't come across as believing there's no possibility of any risk. I just don't accept the studies to date - many of which I've read all or chunks of, if they're public - that purport to show risk really demonstrate something to worry about. I'm not a John Stossel fan, but when a study in a lab claims that a risk is elevated from 1 in 10 million to 2 in 10 million and the researcher trumpets that as significant, and yet we are not seeing any increase in the general population of specific cancers or in specific high-use groups, then it's hard to pay credence to that.

"There seem to be contradictory claims made by those who posit risk. One group says, prudence. Fine, but we have decades of experience with microwaves, and we generally know how they harm us. The level of exposure from Wi-Fi and even cellular phones appears to be below those thresholds. Another group posits actual harm today, but I can't see that they have any evidence to that extent except clinical research which I find unconvincing, and much of which isn't peer-reviewed, double-blind, etc.

"Yet another group says that long-term health risks will emerge, but clearly we don't have the epidemiological results that would back that up. People who used cell phones heavily 20 years ago should have significantly worse health today and in very specific industries and social segments, even for a 20-year problem (especially with older, higher-strength cell phones).

"Finally, there's the electrosensitivity crowd that claims they suffer today. I'm sure these folks have real illnesses, but the description of where and when they suffer doesn't match up with the saturation of wireless communication going on today. And at least one double-blind study showed self-identified electrosensitives, when placed into circumstances that mirror their claimed pattern of response, clearly had no response against a control group."

So for the time being, I think I'll stick with my plain-vanilla BVDs rather than switching to silver-threaded stretchwear from Switzerland - and set aside those Wi-Fi worries.

For more about the debate over cellphone radiation, check out this guide from HowStuffWorks. Curmudgeonly physicist Robert Park weighed in on the "phone in your pants" controversy in this installment of his What's New column. And TODAY's Janice Lieberman included the subject in this rundown of health realities and rumors. As always, feel free to contribute your own unsolicited punditry in the comment section below.

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Boxers or Briefs?
Maybe they should come up with a cell phone that is underwear proof as most people are just talking out that area of the body when they are yelling on a cell phone anyway.
Where can I get some? How much?
Don't they call a shield down below a condom or a cup? i think the title's already taken.
Re: A radiation shield in your shorts.....  

For professionals (i.e. lawyers) the cell phone has been the greatest boon to 'billable hours' since the invention of the lie.  

One may also notice that since the proliferation of cell phones there has been a simultaneous increase in purchase and usage of 'male enhancement' items (Viagra, Extenze, etc.).

It seems, quite possibly, that this cell phone radiation stuff not only affects sperm count but also overall virility.

One can conclusively conclude.....  oh, wait a minute, I have a call, its my mother.....

-"Hi Mom"
-"Hello you little worm, why don't you come over to see me"? -
-"Mom!, Things have been hectic lately and there hasn't been much spare time......"
-INTERRUPTING.... "spare time"? "I'm your mother, and I will keep calling you until your testicles look like 2 raisins, you got it Sonny"?
-"Mom"! "You don't understand"! ...
-"I understand perfectly, other 'real men' with healthy eliptical testicles visit their mothers regularly and don't just call them on their cell phones....  if your father were only alive today...."
-"Mom...... "
-INTERRUPTING "Don't you 'Mom' me, or I'll start sending you text messages that include the entire New Testament with interpretations and your wee-wee will eventually fall off from downloading them on your cell phone while you're at Starbucks using the Wi-Fi....."
-"Mom.... stop using run-on sentences, I get it, I get it.... when would you like for me to come over"?
-"Me? ...  You should want to come over on your own, to see your mother and pick up your gift!"
-"What gift"?
-"I got you one of those new extended batteries for your cell phone, it has a stand-by time of 3 years and actual talk time of 31 days".
-"That's great Mom, I'll come over tomorrow after I see the fertility doctor".
-"FERTILITY DOCTOR"! "You're not actually trying to mate with that....  that floozy are you"?
-"Mom, she's not a floozy, she's a very nice person. She just bought me the new cell phone that I told you about. It can take 10 meg pictures that I can send to clients.  They take an hour and an half to transmit but my sales are now booming".
-"Oh, she bought you that cell phone"? "Hmmmm..  when can I meet her"? "I think that we may have a lot to talk about." "I would like to meet her in person rather than spend time talking to her on the phone....  bring her over with you".
-"O.K., O.K., but I don't think that you two have anything in common".
-We have 'YOU' in common, Sweety...."  "We have you"! "Plus I got you another secret present...  a pair of new underwear from Switzerland...  I got you the underwear because they were out of hats"!

...dropped connection...................
Cell phones are a hazard to our mental health. We used to be able to interact with people without the technological interface. Now we can't even drive without ringing in our ears...
Maybe they hit on something else here.  With this new X-Ray at the airports add an x or diamond pattern and they would not be able to see what is or isn't there. Hey, my idea ... someone market it and just send me the royalty checks.  Former radar, crypto and ECM guy.
so what they are saying is silver lined underwear are like superman's krytonite? Who would have thunk it!! What if you dont wear briefs? what if you dont wear undeerwear at all???? LMAO the idea is rather entertaining in a morbid sort of way, however, the whole theory is iffy at best. I am still laughing.
if you're talking on your cell phone that long you need to learn to relax
uh, who sticks their cellphone in their underwear?
If I were in business I would market underwear with cell phone pockets and tout them is a form of low-cost birth control. If you have the cell phone you may as well use as many features of it you can. In a way you would be using otherwise wasted energy.
only if its set on vibrate....
I have a pituitary tumor in my head. My doctor said he couldn't advise me to use a cell phone or not use a cell phone. He said he just doesn't know if cell phone usage will make the tumor grow larger or not (or turn cancerous). So I don't own or use a cell phone. I would love to know if it is safe for me to use one. My doctor said the tumor is small and non-cancerous. He advise that I should not have the tumor removed at this time. Changing the subject, I've been told that a cell phone just being against your body all day long, everyday, will eventually have a harmful effect, even without it being turned on.
I'm starting to feel (again) as though I wasted 12 years in High school - The research sounds plausible so let's talk about the solution --- but am I the only one who was taught and actually believes that metal conducts electricity and its relatives (radiation, etc.)??? Great, Line all underwear with METAL and permanently reduce the human population --or maybe that's the plan.--never mind. (Someone ought to check into that though - sounds like there's a numbskull on the loose and hopefully not but most likely he/they have a college degree of approval) Sheeesh.
But I'm cold. Why give me unmentionables to use when I really am just really protected by my normal type of dry underwear, used every day and changed everyday. The exception is [...] does the radiation take away spermatozoa from your supply? Give me some feedback.
John Charles Webb: You're hilarious!

If we're going to rank possible dangers from cell phone use, let's look at the increased probability of a distracted cell phone user getting into an auto accident and/or beaten to death by someone they've cut off in traffic because they weren't paying attention to their driving. Compared to that, I'd say the radiation hazard is the least of their worries. But I might be biased.
i would hope, byrd, you are the only one taught that metal conducts radiation, that is ludicrous.  it does conduct electricity and magnetic waves, but not radiation in general. just a clarification to prevent a start of a common misconception
Yes, obviously using a cell phone creates radiation and yes, radiation is bad for you.  Anything that can help shield radiation is a good thing.  Duh.  
Im wondering what kind of skid-marks you could leave in super lined, radiation shielded shorts??....that guys mom would be happy to know that if he dies in a car accident, his figs were protected....still wondering about the skid marks....??? Sperms dont care if you use a cell phone or not..they just want OUT!!!....everyone for happy sperms, please HONK!
Hi, Alan  --  a good laugh is welcome in the midst of serious discussion every so often, so 'thank you.'  Should we be looking for a hidden agenda from Planned Parenthood for the cellphones?  And who's behind the metallic underwear?  Madonna, making another comeback?

Reminds me of a report by some obscure agency quite a few years ago.  Seems someone tested the very early astronauts, and reported that the ones who had had an appendectomy were not as immune to radiation as those who still retained an appendix, and the immunity was centered on the effective use of their inherent equipment.
The research suggests that we should increase the availability of cellphones in countries which have overpopulation problems, and ban this fancy protective underwear.
If this had been posted on April 1, I would have called it as a hoax.  Apparently not.  This is the most ridiculous thing I have ever heard.  I believe several other commentors have already pointed out what I will reiterate: 1. stress lowers sperm count; 2. most men who spend four or more hours per day using a cell phone are quite stressed, not to mention not necessarily in the best health.  Does anyone else see a connection?  The cell phone is just the unfortunate scapegoat of a much larger social ill: Americans today are overworking themselves in the mistaken belief that overwork is the only way to survive in today's workforce.  I haven't been hearing too many virility complaints from men who have the sense to take a break and relax every now and then.
I have worn silver lined underwear for years; when taking extended motorcycle trips or camping (except when it's really hot). The garments, long johns & pullover, are gusseted in the crotch & armpits. They are marketed to hunters, especially bowhunters.

The silver threads are antibacterial & prevent odors from the skin. They are quite effective. I have worn them for a week at a time without change or body odor. They also prevent the minor skin rash I occasionally get when on extended trips in warm/hot weather when wearing other undergarments. Cabela's carries them if you're interested.

No claim of them blocking RF energy from gonads.
I'll only wear them if they have an "Al Gore Approved" sticker.
you poor, poor men. your problematic software sure requires society to have to come up with hardware solutions (pills first now SPECIAL undies)!!!
Brief physics lesson:

The electromagnetic *radiation* given off by a cell phone that is in the "ON" state, is quite small.  Where do most guys carry their cell phones?  On their hips.  Now then, we are subjected to an extremely more powerful electromagnetic radiation field every day -- it's called Terra (or "The Earth", if you prefer).  And let's not forget about the huge exposed nuclear reactor that we are subjected to all of our lives -- it's call Sol (or "The Sun", if you prefer).  One good-sized solar flare heading towards the old homeworld, and we're pretty much toast.

Now, the skivies (underwear) with the silver threads in them?  I doubt that they would be able to protect one from the high-frequency RF radiation from a cell phone because (1) the threads are probably don't have a small enough weave to block the RF energy, and (2) it would have to be grounded -- meaning that you would have to have a conductor running from your underwear, down your pants leg, and dangling on the ground so that it could provide a pathway for the RF energy to ground.  Somehow, I don't think *that* would be very practical.  :P  Silver (Ag), is actually the best conductor of electricity as it has the lowest amount of resistance (exception: super-conducting materials), but it also corrodes (tarnishes) easily.  Gold would be a better choice for such a normally damp environment, since it is relatively inert, and still conducts better than copper.

There is some other research that cites that having all of those silver ions in contact with your body might actually cause more harm than good.  It's a good antiseptic, which is why it's used to treat burn patients, but long-term exposure to an antibacterial substance could harm your skin.  

I would be more inclined to think that the silver (or other metal thread - lined underwear) would work nicely to block those "back-scatter" x-ray scanners now being put into airports as a further invasion of privacy (and don't believe that those images can't be saved).  Personally, I'd be more concerned with being subjected to a full-body x-ray scan.  The human body can safely dissipate up to 100 watts of full-body illumination of RF radiation -- that's a lot more than you're going to get from a cell phone or leaking from around the door seal of a microwave oven that is a year old.  Final thought?  Let the buyer beware.  :P
wow...anything for a profit i guess...yeah i dont believe that garbage about cell phones...and i'll prolly still use mine anyways...
There are many world renowed Former [Motorola etc.] Scientists that have done numerous studies proving that there are measurable ill health effects that happens to a human when using a cell phone; one is increased blood pressure, another is possible breakdown of the blood/brain barrier etc.   Cell Safety Corporation spent a number of years collecting this information and making it available on its website.   Cell Safety acquired a Japanese designed technology incorporated into a 4" strip of that absorbed most of the EMR ElectroMagnetic Radiation of a handheld Cell.  This product was accredited by two independent world recognized testing laboratories as having reduced the radiation by up to 98%.

As stated by Dr. Henry Lai, Bioelectromagnetic Research, University of Washington...." Exposure to mobile phone radiation significantly increases damage to DNA."   It is said the damage is typically done over many years before the user becomes aware of it and then it is to late....much like Type 11 Diabeties once the damage is done it is irreversible.

Unfortunately the powerful Mobile phone lobby squashed the Cell Safety Published concerns with misinfomation and outright lies of the safety of EMR...and the evidence of will soon be manifested by a generation of very sick people.

Dave Fernie, President Cell Safety Corporation, Canada
So the underwear is a kooky idea! My concerns do not lie with only cell phone radiation. How much electromagnetic radiation is too much? Now there is wifi everywhere, satellite television/radio, normal television and radio signals, cordless home phones and of course cell phones and I am sure there are sources of emr that I don't even know about. So again I ask how much is too much? I really want to know!
I suspect that anyone-male or female-who consistently spends 2 or more hours a day on a cell phone ought to be required to have one surgically implanted in their head, or up their--never mind. All retail businesses, schools, eating establishments, sports & entertainment venues should have jamming devices so there is NO cell reception. One person's "right" to use a cell phone shouldn't be inflicted on the rights of others not to be forced to hear about their life or work.
If electro-magnetism is involved in cell division, proximity to strong, oscillating magnetic fields could affect/disrupt this process, and certain frequencies may be more likely to key in to the resonance of different sized/shaped molecular bodies.
Wave interference patterns might also have an affect, so different places/ body parts/chemicals may diffuse and redistribute the em energy in different ways.
In the sciences we establish a so-called "bright line" between what we term an observational study and a experiment. The former is based on extrapolation of trends, and the latter imposition of a treatment to elicit an outcome.

Example of an observational study is above. Look at the numbers, demonstrated reduced counts.

An *experiment* would be to strap a cellphone to the crotch and observe for radiation effects. I suspect that cell phone talking shouldn't correlate to lower fertility rates, since a phone in your pocket is closer to that area than the one next to your face, which makes me question the radiation-based premise.

Next off, the radiation shielding comment. Yes, metals shield radiation...why else would we use lead aprons for X-rays and such?
"Brief physics lesson: The electromagnetic *radiation* given off by a cell phone that is in the "ON" state, is quite small."
"we are subjected to an extremely more powerful electromagnetic radiation field every day (the Earth)...and...the huge exposed nuclear reactor that we are subjected to all of our lives(the Sun)"
"Now, the skivies (underwear) with the silver threads in them?  I doubt that they would be able to protect one from the high-frequency RF radiation from a cell phone because (1) the threads are probably don't have a small enough weave to block the RF energy, and (2) it would have to be grounded -- meaning that you would have to have a conductor running from your underwear, down your pants leg, and dangling on the ground so that it could provide a pathway for the RF energy to ground."
Ron

"Next off, the radiation shielding comment. Yes, metals shield radiation...why else would we use lead aprons for X-rays and such?"
Charles

You better go back & take physics again Ron & Charles. There are major errors in your statements due to misunderstanding of simple physical concepts.

First, consider the inverse square law. Radiation increases/decreases as the square of the distance. Cell phones are in intimate contact with the user’s body. The Sun is nearly 100 million miles away. The Earth’s EM producing dynamo is beneath thousands of miles of dense rock. The EM field of the Earth is quite weak. A tiny magnet can overcome it at close range.

Second, you seem to have little regard for the fundamental differences between different types of "radiation".

There are two major types of radiation: Electromagnetic and Particle.

There are two major types of electromagnetic radiation: Non-Ionizing and Ionizing. They are differentiated by whether they are powerful enough to rip electrons from an atom (Ionization).This is related to the frequency/wavelength of the EM wave function.

EM Ionization starts to occur in the deep UV to soft X-ray frequencies.

Non-Ionizing EM radiation includes heat (IR), visible light, radio (including microwaves) & magnetism. It is obvious that Non-Ionizing radiation can have negative effects on a living organism; jump into a microwave oven if you are unconvinced of this.

Particle radiation, which consists of fast moving subatomic particles is typically Ionizing. The possible damage inflicted on living tissue is based on mass & speed. There is no connection to emissions from communication devices.

How do you block or limit radiation’s effect on an organism? With Particle/Ionizing radiation that is simple...Mass. A sheet of paper (or a foot of air) can completely block most Alpha radiation. Other forms require levels of protection up to multiple feet of dense material (Lead, rock, water, etc.). It is the mass of the lead apron that is effective in blocking x-rays; it has absolutely nothing to do with lead being a metal.

Non-Ionizing radiation can often be blocked or slowed by mass; but ELF radio can penetrate many miles of Earth, and IR can penetrate not just thousands of miles within a solid object, but through billions of miles of interstellar dust/gas that blocks transmission of most other radiation.

The simplest way to shield radiation from a UHF/Microwave transmitter, like a cell phone, is by having a conductive screen between the source & user. This screen can be solid (like aluminum foil) or be a mesh with openings smaller than (say) a quarter wavelength. Although metals are good conductors, other materials can also work.

As the wavelength of cell phone transmissions typically ranges from a few feet to several inches, any fabric with a conductive component without holes of (say)  an inch or more will block direct radiation from a cell phone (some radiation can bounce/scatter off of objects and reach the user). This does not require Grounding. If the object being protected is completely encased within such a conductor, especially if there are two such “bags”, one within the other and not grounded to each other, complete shielding is possible. This is how EMP shielded airplanes work (It would be hard to attach a ground cable to a jet).

Antenna theory tells us that a conductive object will resonate if its size is a odd multiple of a half wavelength (1/2, 3/2, 5/2, etc.) of the transmitted frequency. Some cell phone wavelengths are resonant with the human head, which is filled with conductive material. The device is held in contact with the head. Not the best idea if you ask me.

"How much electromagnetic radiation is too much? Now there is wifi everywhere, satellite television/radio, normal television and radio signals, cordless home phones and of course cell phones and I am sure there are sources of emr that I don't even know about. So again I ask how much is too much? I really want to know!"
Velma Earnest

A good question. The answer...nobody really knows. We humans have been filling our environment with increasing amounts of RF energy for a century. Little long-term research has been done. Most of that is biased due to the funding coming from “interested parties” such as the telecom industry.

Consider yourself a guinea pig in a long-term uncontrolled experiment on the effects of RF radiation on the human body.

"...having all of those silver ions in contact with your body might actually cause more harm than good.  It's a good antiseptic, which is why it's used to treat burn patients, but long-term exposure to an antibacterial substance could harm your skin."
Ron

There is no evidence that silver in contact with the skin can cause harm, unlike ingested silver, which can reach toxic levels. The anti-bacterial effects of silver are quite different from an antibiotic agent, from which some bacteria develop resistance with a virulent result.
I never get reception that far south.
Simple facts:

-Cell phones and Wi-Fi and microwave ovens all emit at 2.4GHz

-Inverse square law applies (EM field strength varies inversely as the sqaure of the distance between the source and the measured location)

-Organic tissue is "cooked" by microwaves operating at 2.4GHz

Power is a factor, but if you microwave something on low for a few hours, it does get "cooked" (have its structure altered as a result) - would it still be an living entity?  That's not the sort of experiment that tends to be approved of in legitimate reseach.

Would "silver thread shorts" protect against this?  Maybe - 2.4GHz has a wavelength of roughly 12.5 cm (300M m/s / 2.4GHz) - so the wavelength isn't an issue (there shouldn't be 5" holes in the shorts) - the issue is with the overall permeability of the material.  Note that this is also likely a "non-issue" since the surrounding flesh may pass the waves nicely (microwaved food "cooks from the inside" by exciting water molecules).

So, cell phones and WiFi are part of an elaborate IQ test.  Notice that when WiFi cards started shipping "standard" with "laptops" that "laptops" became "notebooks"?

I'll stick with wires for now.
Sheesh! My head is spinning!! Live, have fun, die.
Two follow-ups to my email to Alan.

First, Bad Science reports that 31 studies have looked into self-identified electrosensitives. Most found no correlation or negative correlation. Seven had varying degrees of neutral to positive demonstration, but the positive ones haven't been reproducible. See http://www.badscience.net/?p=239 ... The editor of Bad Science's report from last year.

Second, Johan Dough's comment; "Organic tissue is "cooked" by microwaves operating at 2.4GHz." That's an extremely specious statement, not born out by how microwave ovens work. Water molecules are dipole (charged oppositely at either end). When exposed to a field that varies charge 2.4 billion times per second (2.4 GHz), the water molecules produce friction which heats the food. That's why popcorn used to be impossible to cook in a microwave oven. (The bags in modern microwave popcorn add moisture in a specific way.)

Microwave ovens are lined with a microwave-reflective material and heavily shielded. Each wave produced by the 2.4 GHz magnetron is mostly reflected within the Faraday cage that is the interior of the oven until its strength dissipates or is absorbed by the food (and given off as heat).

A very small amount of microwave oven microwaves escape through the door shielding, but due to the inverse square law, the intensity dissipates extremely rapidly as it's not a continuous beam of microwave energy (like a directional antenna) but a continuous series of beams pointed in different directions.
No cell phones operate at 2.4Ghz, although there are available but mostly unused frequency bands available scattered within the 2.1 to 2.7Ghz range.

The primary reason for not having cell phones operate at 2.4Ghz is that it is an unregulated frequency, with many unlicensed users. A vast amount of noise is radiated by the millions of microwave ovens & cordless phones operating at that frequency. Wi-fi operates in this frequency but is very short range with a robust system of error correction for the digital signal.

Most cell phones operate in the ranges of from 800Mhz to 1Ghz and from 1.8 to 2Ghz.

An aside about microwave ovens:

All microwave ovens have a fan, with metal blades, whose purpose is to scatter the continuous beam of microwave radiation. As the fan spins in front of the emitter, it scatters the single solid beam into a moving pattern of multiple beams which bounce off the reflective metal walls inside the oven to heat the food more evenly.

An analog might be a kaleidoscope, with its scattering of a visual image with revolving mirrors.

This works to a point, but a good microwave oven requires a slowly revolving turntable to assure even heating.

A further extension of the kaleidoscope analogy is the difference between carefully turning the kaleidoscope (which produces a repeating pattern) and shaking/tapping it while turning the kaleidoscope (which produces ever changing patterns).

I can also recall my first experience with a home microwave oven and leaking radiation. I told my friends who owned the oven that I could tell when the microwave emitter was active (during cycles when the oven was not emitting constantly such as Low Power) while blindfolded & with headphones on. This was because there was enough leakage to produce a distinctive sparkling effect on the retina of my eyes when the oven was cycled on. I have observed this phenomena several times on ovens built at least 20 years ago: newer models appear better shielded
well kudos to the creator of the radiation resistant undies.... It's a smart way to utilize the little fears that we allow ourselves to harbor in order to fatten the pocket book.  hmm i wonder if he is single and in need of anyone to "relieve him" of the extra cash he is going to have from conning the paranoid out of their money....... mr Andreas Sallmann pick up your cell and call me we should hook up
[...] I use a cellphone and I feel just fine, but sometimes i worry about parents giving their kids, as young as 5, cellphones. I know that the benefits of having a cellphone far outweigh the problems, but sometimes it can come at a price we're not willing to pay. I hope that when those kids grow up, they'll be better of than what we are.
Microwave ovens run about 600 to 1000 watts, a cell phone is 1 or 2 watts. How long would it take to cook a hot dog with 2 watts of RF? A long, long time...

If you are worried about RF heating your brain, restrict yourself to short calls (Hi honey, I'll be home in an hour) and save the long winded calls for the landline phone.
Why worry about it. Your getting the signals if you carry a cell phone or not. Do you think that your call only finds your phone. Your bombarded by signals from every source. AM, FM, wi-fi, TV signals to name a few. Plus whatever else is up there. The signal dosen't hunt down the percise the tower or phone. Your getting all of the signals.
Foil hats are also helpful.
Did anybody stop to consider that any guy spending over 4 hours a day on the cell phone may have a low sperm count because the little fellas aren't getting enough exercise? He's spending all his time on the PHONE f'cryin' out loud!!!
Radiation proof pants to help prevent low spermcount due to cellphone usage? Maybe the guy just needs some Circulation?
Will this interfere with incoming calls?

Someone should try wrapping up a pair and see if it blocks the signal.

Also I work in a hospital and we have a radation detector to scan all trash and linen going out and it never reads elevated radiation when I pass through with my phone.
The detector is for low level radation from certain medical procedures.
>Also I work in a hospital and we have a radation >detector to scan all trash and linen going out and >it never reads elevated radiation when I pass >through with my phone.
>The detector is for low level radation from certain >medical procedures.

Your hospital radiation detector senses ionizing radiation from radioactive nuclei which may be present in the medical waste as a result of medical treatments. Cell phones emit non-ionizing radiation which is an entirely different thing. Ionizing radiation can strip electrons from atoms and break chemical bonds, damaging your DNA and your cells as they divide. Non-ionizing radiation cannot do that, any danger that it poses is the result of energy dissipation causing tissue to be heated. A microwave oven uses non-ionizing radio frequency (RF) radiation to heat food, a cell phone emits a much lower level of RF. The question is whether holding it directly next to your head causes any measurable heating in your brain. Keeping your calls short and infrequent will reduce any possible heating effect to your head.

Also your phone would not be emitting any radiation if you were not talking on it as you passed by the detector. (It does emit brief RF pulses every few minutes to tell the cell towers where to find you when you get an incoming call, which is why the airlines want you to turn the phone fully off when the plane takes off.) Use of cell phones in hospitals is restricted because the RF energy might induce current flow in sensitive medical instrumentation, not for any direct effect on patients.
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