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Scotty's ashes recovered

Posted: Friday, May 18, 2007 5:25 PM by Alan Boyle


UP Aerospace
The recovery crew kneels behind the UP Aerospace rocket's payload section at its New Mexico landing site. From left to right: Bobby Bixter (flight engineer), Roger
Bodwell (pilot), Jerry Larson (president. UP Aerospace), Ed Levine (Merlin Systems),
and Todd Miller (White Sands Missile Range).

The rocket payload containing samples of cremated remains from "Star Trek" actor James Doohan, pioneer astronaut Gordon Cooper and 200 other dearly departed has been found in a surprising place, more than two weeks after its rise to - and fall from - outer space.

Connecticut-based UP Aerospace, which launched the payload on its SpaceLoft XL rocket on April 28, had been looking for it in remote mountainous terrain within New Mexico's White Sands Missile Range. But it turned out that the payload actually came down in a flat area of the range, less than a mile from the rocket's aim point, said Jerry Larson, the company's president and a leader of the search team.

The intensive search in the mountains, two miles away from the actual landing site, ended up being little more than a "wild goose chase," Larson told me today.

He explained that the search got on the wrong track because the four tiny radio transmitters that were attached to the payload's parachute apparently had fallen off during the descent and landed in the mountains. It took a couple of days this week to find all the transmitters and recalibrate the search.

On Friday, searchers aboard an Army helicopter provided by the missile range carefully eyeballed the area around the aim point from the air. "We actually just found it by visual [observation]," Larson told me. Earlier aerial searches of the same area had missed the payload and its parachute because the survey was not as detailed, he said.

The payload consisted of the nose cone and the upper few feet of the SpaceLoft XL rocket. It included more than 200 capsules, each about the size of a lipstick tube. Each capsule contained a few grams of cremated human remains, flown into space as part of a $495 package offered by Texas-based Celestis. Doohan and Cooper were the best-known passengers on this "memorial spaceflight":

  • Doohan, who played Chief Engineer Montgomery "Scotty" Scott on the classic "Star Trek" TV show as well as spin-off movies, passed away in 2005.
  • Cooper, who is best-known for his 1963 solo spaceflight on Mercury 9 and his Gemini 5 flight in 1965, died in 2004.

The payload contained other items as well, including more than 50 small scientific experiments from high-school and college students.

Larson said the payload appeared to be safe and sound, with just a few dings on the outside. "I have it with me right now, and it's heading back to Denver," he told me via cell phone. It will be opened up at UP Aerospace's Denver-area facility, and eventually the contents will be returned to the launch customers, he said.

Celestis, in turn, will send the capsules of ashes back to the families, along with mementos of the launch.

"We certainly felt a huge responsibility for getting this back to the customers," Larson said. "Everyone has been very supportive."

He said that includes Wende Doohan, the actor's widow, who sent Space Services (Celestis' parent company) more than one message of support during the search for the payload.

"She trusted us to fly it into space, which we did successfully, and she trusted us to find it," Larson said.

In an interview with The Associated Press, Wende Doohan said her late husband "probably wished he could have stayed" in space.

James Doohan and Gordon Cooper are due to get at least one more posthumous ride to the final frontier: Additional samples of their cremated remains are to be included in another Celestis package that would fly as a secondary payload on SpaceX's Falcon 1 rocket later this year. That would be an orbital trip, leaving the capsules in space until they make their fiery re-entry through the upper atmosphere.

Watch for updates on UP Aerospace's Web site - including photos and videos from the scene.

Correction for 10:45 p.m. May 21: Larson said the messages of support came via Space Services from Wende Doohan rather than Suzan Cooper (as I had originally written it). The error has been corrected. Sorry about that - somehow I had the wrong name in my notes.

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Anything for a new sotheby's auction. Shoulda just given the job to Keith Richards.
NO MATTER WHERE THEY ARE...GOD BLESS THEM!...
Wasn't Gene Roddenbery(the creater of Star Trek), his ashes were scattered in space from Shuttle Comumbia some years back? That was before Columbia suffered it's terrible fate about 2 years ago.
A successful launch is nothing without a good come back!
Well, what's the price difference between a sub-orbital and an orbital? If it's not much, their families should feel ashamed for being cheap. If it's a LOT, I understand. But wouldn't Scotty has requested and planned something like this ahead of time? Maybe someone should look at his will; if he wanted orbital, his family should redo the shoot!
to quote jackie gleason "to the moon alice...." we love you scottie!
I personally think it's very cool that their ashes took the ride. It would have been even cooler had they been able to stay in space forever.

My mom was killed 3 years ago, then cremated, and I have some of her ashes in a small "urn" necklace. My dad has some of her ashes in a small necklace that has her birthstone on one end. I also hear that now the cremains may even be made into gemstones and placed in rings and other jewelry. It's pretty nice being able to carry our loved one with us at all times. It's made it very special for me and my dad. All this to say again, I think it's very cool the cremains were shot into space if that's what they wanted to do.
We will all miss Star Trek shows. Farewell Scotty!

Perhaps Nasa would do better at sending into space
than the other companies would.
One reason that they weren't left in space was that the capsule barely passed the outer edges of the upper atmosphere. If they had been ejected out there, then they would have been subjected to a quickly decaying orbit until they fell back and burnt up in the denser parts of the atmosphere. This way they went up and can now be returned to their families.
Being a fan of both Mr.Doohan and Mr.Cooper. I feel they should have stayed in space and enjoyed the ride for eternity.They contributed so much to enrich our lives here on gaia we owe them this respect.
Instead of the ridiculous amount of money ($495) the two celebrity "ash-canners" should have been buried in a dignified manner - especially Astronaut Cooper with FULL military honours @ Arlington National Cemetery.  The last I checked for a family member's funeral it cost $12,000 in Massachusetts and another $2500 for reinterment in Pennsylvania - and this was for a ordinary albeit outstanding young physician - If I had not paid that sum for a dignified funeral on behalf of his 3 young children and young wife, I would have considered donating the "change" to a worthy cause, such as starving, ill children in the World!  My daughter's classmate in Medical School who died several years ago in a fiery test landing and was next to fly into space as an astrpnaut physician, was herself buried in her home town and all donations went to her undergraduate university,
INDIANA (in Indiana, PA) for the GOOD of mankind in the way of scholarships -- NOW THAT MAKES SENSE!!
All of them are dead anyhow, I don`t think they realy know or care...
Wait your telling me for $495.00 i can have somebody's remains put on a rocket like kids in science class shoot off and shoot it up into the air then have it returned to me?What a waste of freaken money.Sounds like a get rich scheme to me the people should be given their money back thats a rip off.I would rather sprinkle somebody's ashes into the ocean or some place where they enjoyed being.
I don't know why O_- but I like Davons comment. o_O
I rather doubt it really made any difference to them. . .
Scotty was always having trouble with his engines...This "Enterprise" must have been automated because "Two trainees and a chimpanzee could fly her" but I suspect the Chimpanzee was smart enough to miss this flight.
If this was truly only a 'brush with Space', it sure wasn't hyped-up to be that. What a gyp. I could whip up a cardboard tube full of charcoal, sulphur, and saltpeter, slap some fins on it and a nose cone made from aluminum house siding, and get them up where these Phonies got them. Cheesie.
I agree with a previous poster.  They should not try to shoot any type of GARBAGE into space.  That includes human cremains.  The spirit is gone!

CLEAN space should not be used as a dumping ground. How shallow people are when they assume that they can do what they want in space.

Can I throw my junk in your front yard?
Happens all the time on Star Trek.  Transporter malfunction !
"Live long and prosper!"
A brief moment in "space" is better than always being grounded--the experience would be thrilling--though I would personally be able to remember the "moment"! Thanks for the memories James, Gordon, and all the others.
Go Scotty, Go, Your the man!, as well as others ;-) So much joy, hope and love you gave to millions!!

This is where I intend to go when the time requires.

NOTE:  Sadly, upon a recent visit to Detroit MI, the press, (entertainment section) wrote an article about the 5 landmarks Earth in the 'Last Days'.  One of the author's '5' was about Doohan and Cooper's remains being shot into space, and it's thought of as normal??. Guess not in Detroit MI.  Not an exact quote but the article is in the archives.  What a closed minded 'liberal' (say what??!), this paper is Democratic/Liberal based.

As a english fan of the late Mr Doohan I could not but grin when I read of the search and Mrs Doohan saying that they had come back seanic way.

RIP Mr Doohan and Col.Cooper

Maybe all remains should be sent into space(keep whats left of the land intact). Maybe EARTH is the final frontier.
Perhaps rather then leave the remains floating in space as a future hazard, some company should offer Lunar burials. Expensive, but hey, what worthwhile things aren't anymore?
Unbelievable...as a child I watched the Apollo Missions and the Star Trek series. Why would one go to the extra expense of retrieval when it's clear they wanted to be in space anyway! I'm sure James Doohan would have preferred to have all of his remains left in space. It was a life long dream for me to go into space...preferably alive, but I'll take dead if that's the only option!
The company providing these space funeral services is Celestis and they are offering orbital flights at reasonable prices - my Mum is considering getting some of my fathers ashes launched which would stay in orbit anything from 10 to 240 yrs they say! See www.memorialspaceflights.com/services
Actually, space junk can be traveling up to tens of thousands of miles per hour! Dangerous indeed!
From what I got out of this article, it seems that having the remains returned to the families after "space flight" was what they originally intended to do.

It seems a bit odd now because I don't remember reading anything about that in previous articles.  Maybe because it just didn't sound spectacular enough to the media at first until there was a search on.
To go orbital a rocket must be launched at greater than five miles per second on a carefully controlled trajectory to go into orbit--over seven miles per second to orbit the sun.
OK, You folks do realize that you are debating about a couple of dead guys who were burned-up and stuck in test tubes...right? I mean there are bigger things in life to talk about. I'm sure the family knew perfectly well what was going to happen here and that is pretty much the end of the story right? OK, now let's get a pizza and watch some syndicated reruns... :-)
Well laddy we're all in deep space;in orbit around the sun..Now Ladd, the Sun orbit's about the Universe, dragging all the planets...Think-Tank! We are space critters..look deep within..! You'll discover the riches of the universe in the innermost sensibilities of your own feelings! We're the final frontier! This "Company" is taking your money-n-you for a ride into deep s--h--t. Hurraah for American engienuity at taking advantage of the sorrow in our lifes..! GOD BLESS AMERICA! "LIVE LONG AND PROSPER" And "May the force be with you"..Always!... (R.P.)
The launch was no easy feat. It had to have cost a fortune in research and development. No way did the price of the ash viles come close to making a profit for the company. what they did was to add interest to a venture that gave young people a way to touch space technology and put their hearts and minds to work reaching for their dreams that, who knows.... may one day produce the young genius that discovers "warp drive!"

I was fortunate to have met Mr Doohan some years ago. I have no doubt that he would have been proud to know that his ride to sub- orbital space had helped to launch the experments of all those young people...
I would personally like my body to be put in a tube with inert gas a shot into deep space. Maybe some advanced alien race could find me and revive me, hopefully with good intentions. :)
I know that this was what they wanted, but it just seems a little ridiculous to spend that kind of money only to have them back. Are they going to spend more money to send them out again?
“I cannot describe the delight, the wonder and intoxication, of this free diagonal movement onward and upward, or onward and downward....The birds have this sensation when they spread their wings and go tobogganing in curves and spirals through the sky.”
— Alberto Santos-Dumont, first dirigible flight.

A fitting final voyage for those that dreamed, ventured, and caused us to jealously long for a touch of the heavens, they glimpsed and danced just a little beyond the sky.  Rest with a grin, Sirs.
if the families knew what they were gettting (one would assume so) and they were willing to do this, how can it be a ripoff? they did this of their own free will.
The space shuttle. At $450 a pop perhaps there is some hope of justifying that weird project.
Personally, I'd like to be shot on a ballistic vehicle of some sort that would fly my remains to Venus, then impact on the surface in such a way that it buried itself a few meters deep. I chose Venus because there is virtually no chance that man will ever go there (unlike Mars or the moon). Plus, when I wake up on Resurrection Day, I'll know what it's like to stand on Venus!
Yes, it seems that this might be just a money making scheme, unless there was a clear understanding of the perameters to begin with (always read the fine print).  If these were pre-burial plans, then the deceased were probably well aware of the return to Earth part, although I rather believe that "Scotty" would have liked to remain in space, and like someone said earlier, if this was the families' way of honoring their loved ones' final wishes, who are we to criticize?!?  (But I do understand the comments about the money being spent elsewhere in their memories'.)  If the cremains burn up at re-entry, then that doesn't need to be a concern, either.  I'd actually be interested in knowing about the science experiments and their results!  

I agree w/John Doe from Seattle, now it's time for some pizza and reruns w/my Dad(another who dreams of going "where no man has gone before")!!!!
Maybe the whole body should have been cremated re-entering the atmosphere at Mach 15, that way the ashes would have been spread properly. I would hope in the future that when people die aboard spacecraft the "burial at sea" will do just that.
they were charged a lot for such a short ride
I think Scotty is cool with it all. I mean you guys are totally taking this too far. It was only a TV show - They never were in space. At least he enjoyed the ride. Beam me up, Scotty!!!
"for the world is hollow, and I have touched the sky"
I agree with Nora Kesick; there are precious few who have been able to get to space - Even Stephen Hawking ended up going on the Vomit Comet. Then there are those who didn't get to go, but did impress so many as to become cultural icons. Both James Doohan and Gordon Cooper were those special ones: So to Scotty and Gordo we wish you Godspeed - you will be missed - and remembered!
Hey I heard there was another payload on board - something from Microgravity Enterprises - does anybody know anything about that?
    It took them how long to find this brightly-colored, highly-reflective, fluttering-parachute-attached cylinder? I'd sure never go hunting with any of them........maybe if they had just sat down with a good spotting scope, instead of using tens of thousands of dollars on helicopters and who-knows-what-else in their "write it off" mentality, they would have found this much sooner and much easier....

    I just wonder how many of my tax dollars went to support this PR stunt, and how I can get them back into my pocket.  
Can You spell "Waste and excess" - To answer your question - no tax dollars went towards this stunt - UP aerospace financed the development and contstruction of the Spaceloft rocket, and the people whose ashes were in the rocket paid for it.

The only way the state MIGHT have paid a little bit was for launching the student experiments for it (But I think I read somewhere that they gave that for free).  So not to worry, your tax dollars are safe.

Also, I have to wonder if you actually read the article, since Alan explains why it took so long to find it

Actually, I have to wonder exactly how many people actually read the article, since there were so many comments that don't seem to understand the situation.
Does that mean he,s now an ashtronaut!
Iedereen heeft, geteld vanaf 1 januari 2001, recht op 30 jaar renteaftrek


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