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Scotty's ashes recovered

Posted: Friday, May 18, 2007 5:25 PM by Alan Boyle


UP Aerospace
The recovery crew kneels behind the UP Aerospace rocket's payload section at its New Mexico landing site. From left to right: Bobby Bixter (flight engineer), Roger
Bodwell (pilot), Jerry Larson (president. UP Aerospace), Ed Levine (Merlin Systems),
and Todd Miller (White Sands Missile Range).

The rocket payload containing samples of cremated remains from "Star Trek" actor James Doohan, pioneer astronaut Gordon Cooper and 200 other dearly departed has been found in a surprising place, more than two weeks after its rise to - and fall from - outer space.

Connecticut-based UP Aerospace, which launched the payload on its SpaceLoft XL rocket on April 28, had been looking for it in remote mountainous terrain within New Mexico's White Sands Missile Range. But it turned out that the payload actually came down in a flat area of the range, less than a mile from the rocket's aim point, said Jerry Larson, the company's president and a leader of the search team.

The intensive search in the mountains, two miles away from the actual landing site, ended up being little more than a "wild goose chase," Larson told me today.

He explained that the search got on the wrong track because the four tiny radio transmitters that were attached to the payload's parachute apparently had fallen off during the descent and landed in the mountains. It took a couple of days this week to find all the transmitters and recalibrate the search.

On Friday, searchers aboard an Army helicopter provided by the missile range carefully eyeballed the area around the aim point from the air. "We actually just found it by visual [observation]," Larson told me. Earlier aerial searches of the same area had missed the payload and its parachute because the survey was not as detailed, he said.

The payload consisted of the nose cone and the upper few feet of the SpaceLoft XL rocket. It included more than 200 capsules, each about the size of a lipstick tube. Each capsule contained a few grams of cremated human remains, flown into space as part of a $495 package offered by Texas-based Celestis. Doohan and Cooper were the best-known passengers on this "memorial spaceflight":

  • Doohan, who played Chief Engineer Montgomery "Scotty" Scott on the classic "Star Trek" TV show as well as spin-off movies, passed away in 2005.
  • Cooper, who is best-known for his 1963 solo spaceflight on Mercury 9 and his Gemini 5 flight in 1965, died in 2004.

The payload contained other items as well, including more than 50 small scientific experiments from high-school and college students.

Larson said the payload appeared to be safe and sound, with just a few dings on the outside. "I have it with me right now, and it's heading back to Denver," he told me via cell phone. It will be opened up at UP Aerospace's Denver-area facility, and eventually the contents will be returned to the launch customers, he said.

Celestis, in turn, will send the capsules of ashes back to the families, along with mementos of the launch.

"We certainly felt a huge responsibility for getting this back to the customers," Larson said. "Everyone has been very supportive."

He said that includes Wende Doohan, the actor's widow, who sent Space Services (Celestis' parent company) more than one message of support during the search for the payload.

"She trusted us to fly it into space, which we did successfully, and she trusted us to find it," Larson said.

In an interview with The Associated Press, Wende Doohan said her late husband "probably wished he could have stayed" in space.

James Doohan and Gordon Cooper are due to get at least one more posthumous ride to the final frontier: Additional samples of their cremated remains are to be included in another Celestis package that would fly as a secondary payload on SpaceX's Falcon 1 rocket later this year. That would be an orbital trip, leaving the capsules in space until they make their fiery re-entry through the upper atmosphere.

Watch for updates on UP Aerospace's Web site - including photos and videos from the scene.

Correction for 10:45 p.m. May 21: Larson said the messages of support came via Space Services from Wende Doohan rather than Suzan Cooper (as I had originally written it). The error has been corrected. Sorry about that - somehow I had the wrong name in my notes.

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I do not understand why they were not left in space which is what every one of them would have wanted for sure.
I agree with Robert. That was the most logical. Why did they think they wanted to go back to the family when their hearts were in space.
I do not think the private company that sent up the rocket had enough power to:

1) get it into earth orbit (from which it would have eventually decayed and returned to earth)

2) get it OUT of earth orbit (in which case it would have circled within our solar system)

OR

THE ULTIMATE...get it out of our solar system and into the infinite unknowns of space.
I fully agree with the two previous writers. I thought the cremains would remain in outer space hurtling across the universe undisturbed for all eternity. Maybe God had a better idea. We have already rocketed numerous pieces of space junk into the atmosphere. Look out when it falls. Maybe Hennie Penny had the right idea: "The sky is falling, the sky is falling."
he wanted to be beamed UP right?????
The short answer is because Spaceloft XL isn't an orbital rocket.  It can only do sub-orbital.  There is orbital space burial, but that costs more money.  So I suspect they decided they only wanted to pay for the sub-orbital ride.  

Hey, what can you say - funerals can be expensive
All that junk we leave in space is traveling at hundreds of miles per hour.  

IT'S DANGEROUS TO LEAVE STUFF SPINNING AROUND OUR PLANET !!!
Quick answer to the prior posts: the remains described in this article were flown aboard a small rocket that was only capable of a ballistic non-orbital flight.

A rocket that can successfully place a payload into orbit has much more total thrust than this one had.

Simply, there was _never_ any plan for these remains to stay in space. They were only going for an Alan Shepard style 'up and right back down' flight.
If it was my relative, I'd say..."Poy Ye Khali!"...what Yuri Gagarin said on his Rocket Shot. Roughly, "Light the Candles..Comrades...let's get goin'!" I think they should relaunch the whole bunch,... or they're No Rocketeers!
maybe its enough to have seen space for MR.DOOHAN and return to the place where his fans still are. WE'LL MISS YOU SCOTTY!!!!!
George was in shock, "But my ashes flew into the heavens!!" he screamed. A cry in vain, for the Devil was not impressed.
For I have slipped the surly bonds of earth...
The rocket was meant to return to earth?  Lame!  At least they'll redeem themselves by sending the ashes up into actual orbit.

Read my blog post on this article, at:
http://angrylabrat.blogspot.com/
2007/05/they-found-scottys-ash.html

they will find someway to make money off scottys ashes its the american way
Did you guys not read the last paragraph? This flight was "up and back" but they are going on another flight that will put them into orbit until the orbit decays and they make a "fiery rentry".
Sounds alot like what my brothers and I used to do in the backyard with grasshoppers and frogs. Too bad they couldn't pony up the $500 bucks for the ride.
What a stupid idea! Why send them up there if they are not going to stay up there? Stupid!
I think this was a waste of money. The people who came up with this idea are laughing all the way to the bank.
What is wrong with America? Who cares what kind of rocket it was, or if it worked or failed, the problem as I see it is that these people had a fantasy, but it's more important what our lives are like when we live them...how we treat people when they are alive...they are gone now..nothing can change that. Scotty was wonderful on Star Trek..however, he was an ACTOR...playing on a set...As for Gordon Cooper, at least he did the real thing when he was alive..
From reading the article, it would appear that all involved knew that the items, including more than 50 highschool/college science experiments, knew it was to return to earth.
As much as we all are wanting to go to the next frontier. Being able to send our poiniers into space after their passing is a thankful justure though it is something to be put into proper perspective. Space junk is a problem that must be addressed along with all aspecs of makeing the journey. Bringing them back is the right thing to do. I want to go but I want to be able to walk on the bridge while making the trip. All those wonderful things that come out of us trying to get there. Lets get going on this and make the journey a reality for all of us. The sooner the better.
Send him back to space on a rocket that would not re-entry earth and see what happens!
Whom ever paid for this scam got ripped off. Even the dead are preyed upon !!!
I MISS SCOTTY TOO, NOT TO MENTION THE NEXT GENERATION CREW, BUT, the heck with space burials- where are the flying cars we were promised when we were kids in the 60's..........
thats great they should just stay where ever they are
For all the entertainment that Star Trek gave us, there is hope that people can get into space, if only after death.
All families obviously new the payload would return to earth ashes and all as the payload included experiments from high school and college students.
Space flight is temporary - dreams are eternal. It doesn't matter that the ashes came back - they went where few humans have ever gone. God Bless the families of the departed for making their departed loved ones dreams come true, if only briefly.
I guess I misunderstood what their intentions were,too. I thought they were going to stay in space.If they re-enter the earth's atmosphere what are the chances they will hit someone?
Scotty should have been on a rocket that could have sent his remains into the far reaches of the solar system. That's the dream. He was supposed to 'warp' out of here, not go up and come back down. No Vulcan ship will ever notice that...
Boy, lemme tell ya, those rocket things they go up and away, kinda like your aunt gracy, she started the bar-b-que with gasoline last summer, pour it on, lit the match, Boom, nuf said, I saw her, from the kitchen window, rolling around on the lawn like a dog trying to knock off a stuck terd, she looked good, like your mother, ,o.k. good talk son
"For God sakes Jim, I'm a doctor, not a rocket scientist!"
Captain! The Dilithium Crystals Can't take it much longa!!

We miss you Scotty
Scotty could still be alive with his Harcourt Mudd robot body acting in front of cameras for a period of time unknown. What swamp thing materials exits beyond
atmosphere is possibly unknown, but back in the time of the Michaelson Morely experiment it was thought to be ether (Probably from the first surgeries done in the early 1900s, where surgeons used ether as an anesthetic for surgery. However, in the Star Trek shows after 1976, their could have been sodium penethal, or other, above the great blue skys.)

For other hambone perspectives, however, the materials
that exits in his miniature cellular hambone reality are probably just the materials and temperature just outside of his bones. For supposition purposes for respect for the undead in hambone realities, bones should placed in aerated urns in rooms with good humidity and temperature with occasional sprays of liquid vitamins for continued growth in those worlds. Long live Scotty!

        Gerald (them bones are going walk around) Hume

Space is not a dumping ground for our trash or our remains. Please hundreds of years ago did worry about trash or global warming, but we have it today. What happens hundreds of years from now if we start dumping our trash into space?
scotty always saved them from burning into the atmosphere... what a shame it will be his final fate
NASA should include a tiny vial of Scotty's and Gordo's ashes in their next deep space probe - that way they will truly go where no man has gone before, and the incremental weight gain be factored so it doesn't decrease the scheduled mission payload by an appreciable amount.

"Light this candle" - Alan Shepard
Hey, anybody from NASA? Step up to the plate! The minuscule weight of the remains of James Doohan and Gordon Cooper wouldn't have much affect of the delta v of your next launch and they contributed more to your PR than any congress critter. How about a free ride to the final frontier?
Like others, I too thought the ashes were launched ... never to return.  

On the other hand, these are simply ashes, the remains of the human bodies that their spirits had occupied, and which we knew.  Long before the launch, their spirits had departed to their eternal dwelling -- not in the heavens above, but in either Heaven or Hell, as determined by their Maker.
James Doohan and Gordon Cooper are gone. Their remains are just the junk left from the bodies that they lived in. We must not attach too much sentiment to an "empty" house.
LOL. Lee attributes the problem to "not enough power." I like that!
Sounds like a scam to take money from people who have lost a loved one. Wouldn't it have been better to spend the money saving the planet instead of creating more "pollution?"
A friend of mine's nephew's ashes went up with Jimmy's. The capsule that is returned is part of the ashes. And part of the package that includes deep space, moon landing, or burning up in Earth's atmosphere.
If there is a linkage between the soul and ashes, the trip was well worth it to Scotty I'm sure. Should there not be such a linkage, it was equally worth it to our memory of Scotty. Either way it was worth it...
Give the ashes to Keith Richards he will take care of them.
It took over two weeks to "find" the nosecone with fluttering parachute almost on their doorstep?All transmitters fell off together in a hard area? I'll bet all the labels will be still attached to the "recovered" containers. Think you could tell Scotty from Rover? Don't sue we found it.
We've had astronauts to the ride "up-and-down". We've had men in orbit. I believe that Scotty would have wanted to go where no man has gone before....
I have an slightly different evaluation of the whole thing. I think it's a big scam and money making project. Unfortunately, for those who grieve for their departed loved ones, the money was spent on an "out of this world" experience, when even the departed would have probably appreciated being honored through scholarships, charity gifts, foundation memorials to help others. How sad it is the millions of dollars we spend as a nation daily, and we are such a nation of poverty in other areas. How powerful and impacting it would have been to have the money spent in the name of the deceased for helping society. I truly believe both men would have greatly appreciated that honor. Oh well, just one's opinion from Oklahoma, where we have a vocational school named for Gordon Cooper. I know he enjoyed that--young people learning because of his desire to give his name to the school.
this is in response to lee stein, yes the company has enough power, the rocket may or may not have had. It's intentions were for the payload to return afterall there are experiments from colleges and high schools aboard. It would not take alot of power to have sent the capsule past earth's gravity once in space.
It was my understanding the whole time I was hearing and reading about the cremains of all these people going up in space, that they were supposed to stay there. Heck, they didn't even orbit. My bad, I guess. It would have been way too cool for "Scotty" and "Coop" to have stayed in space perminantly. At least a part of them.


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