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Cloning Barbaro

Posted: Monday, January 29, 2007 8:01 PM by Alan Boyle

Will there ever be another horse like Barbaro? Maybe so, if it were up to cloning researcher Katrin Hinrichs. Theoretically, you could take a tissue sample from the now-dead racehorse, culture some cells and freeze them for future Barbaro clones, she said.

"It just seems to make sense to do that when you have an animal that's genetically valuable," the veterinarian who heads Texas A&M's Equine Embryo Laboratory told me today.

Not that you'd ever put a Barbaro clone in a race. First of all, the rules of thoroughbred racing bar horses produced through cloning, or even through artificial insemination. But there's a more fundamental reason why clones don't make good racers, Hinrichs said.

"This is not a way to produce competitors, because cloning carries along with it so many things that could affect its robustness as a foal. ... If we were to clone Barbaro, that clone would be smaller than Barbaro, maybe not as wide across the chest," she said. The clones would likely lack the environmental factors that turned Barbaro into a champion - such as factors that are passed along from mare to foal during the early stages of pregnancy.

Nevertheless, even though the clone might not be built like a champion racehorse, his sperm would pass along the genes of a champion. And that's how cloned horses would make their mark - as breeders, not racers.

"A clone of Barbaro might not be a good racehorse, but the one thing is that the clone would produce the same foals that Barbaro would have produced," Hinrichs said.

Hinrichs made her mark in the cloning field two years ago, when she and her American and French collaborators produced the first horse ever cloned in the United States. Only one other research group, Texas-based ViaGen, is up and running in the horse cloning race. And this race is more of a marathon than a six-furlong dash. Last year, Texas A&M's group produced just seven cloned foals, while ViaGen produced another five, Hinrichs said.

"We're not exactly burning up the highway here - compared to, say, cattle, where they have dozens of labs working on this throughout the world," she said.

The current policies of the top horse racing associations have served to hold down the commercial interest in cloned horses.

"The main problem is that they can't be registered with any American-type breed registry," Hinrichs explained. "This is what would stop a thoroughbred from racing. But there are areas of competition that are very worthwhile that don't require registration."

For example, Texas A&M's first cloned horse, Paris-Texas, is a genetic copy of Quidam de Revel, one of France's best-known jumping horses and most expensive studs. Hinrichs said Paris-Texas' progeny could well compete in future show-jumping events, carrying Quidam's champion genes into the race. ViaGen, meanwhile, has been cloning cutting horses as well as steeds built for other equine sports.

Winning competitions isn't the only reason for researching animal cloning, of course. Hinrichs said genetic material preserved at facilities such as the Frozen Zoo in San Diego could someday give a boost to endangered species. "That offers an amazing resource for genes that are [otherwise] lost forever," she said.

It's not yet clear whether the appropriate samples were taken from Barbaro before he died. But considering how much attention the topics of DNA analysis and cloning have gotten in the past few years, I'd have to think there's a suitable sampling of Barbaro's tissue already sitting in a flask of liquid nitrogen somewhere.

Even though clones are currently barred from thoroughbred racing, Hinrichs said it still might be worth leaving your options open. Who knows? Maybe the rules will change in 50,000 years - which Hinrichs said is the estimated half-life for the potency of frozen sperm samples.

Update for Jan. 31, 10:30 p.m. ET: The surgeon who treated Barbaro says that no sperm was taken from the horse before he was euthanized. Dean Richardson acknowledged that future fertility would have been a bonus, but "we only were interested in saving his life." No word about tissue samples, though.

Update for Feb. 2, 9:30 p.m. ET: This story in the New York Daily News says Barbaro's owners have denied taking any sperm from Barbaro, or saving any DNA for cloning. Actually, just having a DNA sample would be insufficient for cloning, anyway. You'd need to preserve live cells. But I would side with Hinrichs on this matter: It just seems to make sense nowadays to set aside tissue, or at least DNA, from any genetically significant specimen.

I know that sounds a little bit like the equine equivalent of "They Saved Hitler's Brain." And I know that the rules of thoroughbred racing currently rule out clones or artificially bred animals. But when we're talking about creatures worth millions of dollars, I don't see the harm in preserving a little bit of genetic posterity, for research purposes if for no other reason.

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Why clone him? So some greedy, moneygrubbing, avaricious owners can kill him again and again? People who love horses would never race them. These people don't care about him. They only worship money and fame.
I think it's disgusting to think that not even 24 hours after this poor, beautiful horse has left this world, people are already making plans to clone him.

As a horse lover and owner, i would be appalled if Mr. and Mrs. Jackson would think of cloning at this time.

As for the breeding potential of a Barbaro clone: what about any kinds of bone, joint, or any other physical problems that could be passed down through the genes? Could we have another racehorse breakdown on the track and suffer the same cruel fate as his/her sire (or horse that the sire was cloned from)? Is it worth the risk?

I think too many people are willing to jump at the chance to play around with science, to push the limit, find out what we can "fix." As much as we tried, we couldn't "fix" Barbaro. All the science and technology used to try to make him well, ultimately failed. Maybe we shouldn't be trying to fix the problem after the horses have broken down and need to be euthanized. Maybe we need to look at how these horses are being bred, the genes, the physical problems being passed down. That's how we can make better racehorses. Not by cloning.
yes, i agree with the above. racing breaks horses...its useless. horse racing is a disgusting form of animal torture that people dont realize is torture because so many people are into it.
Sure the science failed this time.  We haven't yet found a way to "fix" a horse as badly injured as Barbaro was.  However, we will one day be able to, if we set our minds to it.  Then we won't have to have this discussion again.  Imagine if scientists cloned a horse like Barbaro then used the clones to try and find what caused his bone problems.  If they found a genetic cause, perhaps they could fix it.  Wouldn't that in and of itself make the cloning of Barbaro worth it?
[...] Barbaro is one of the best things that has happened to racing in a very long time. He is the American horse and will never be forgotten. With or without a clone. It would be an insult to his memory. Don't think about science or smarts, think about what truly matters: doing the right thing.
It would seem that having the means to preserve Barbaro's DNA against a future opportunity to attempt producing a clone must be at least half of an answer to this question. Arguments about moral "implications" must make up less than half of such a decision. This is because moral arguments are all over the map and the emotions that fuel them are not easily dealt with when trying to come to an informed, rational decision with a fair chance to result in practical knowledge and insight. That is, successful decisions. Useful ones. So I say yes, take the samples and see to them.

As far as the treatment of the horse:  My father was a cowboy. For his entire life. I had a horse under me before many had a tricycle. Me and Ol' Pap and the other old men and the horses and the cattle and the land. And the dog. We all worked together and together we made a good living. And we produced fine beef.

In order to accomplish this feat it was of utmost importance that man and beast and land and crops and the infrastructure of buildings, fences, ditches, fields, pastures, as well as machinery, tools, spare parts, nails, bolts, and a thousand other needs ALL required constant consideration and frequent care. After all, you can't go get the cows that broke out on Crooked Creed unless your horse can get you there. So you keep him in top shape. You care for his feet and his belly in equal measure. You keep him clean and well groomed, like you keep your tack. Each day you pass your hands over him, and as with your own body, you can recognize anything unusual instantly.

And at the end of a hard day you see that he is not only made comfortable, you reward him for his work that day since it is vital. I have no doubt that Barbaro enjoyed at least these common courtesies that a man extends to his animals.

We always seek to preserve and emulate the best that we find. We spare no expense to celebrate a major sports victory. We gather old letters together and keep the simple items that belonged to parents, uncles, friends and lovers. I contend that the preservation of the essential code of a horse this determined, this gifted and proud, is no less precious to us and no less worthy than an old typewriter that my dad used to write to me when I was a child. It is a treasure that has potential. It still works.

We do not have to clone this horse. But we know we can and we know how and this is an idea that is dancing on our brains these days with an increasing tempo. That is good enough reason to hold hope that the issue will find some measure of resolution before too long.

Some of the folks leaving comments are drawing the conclusion that Barbaro's owners are already thinking about cloning him. I'm sorry if I left that impression. I have no idea what their intentions might be, and I'm sure they have much more immediate things to focus on right now.

Considering what's been done in the animal cloning field over the past few years, I  find it hard to believe that a suitable tissue sample has not been taken for ultra-cold storage sometime in the past few months. It would only make sense to do so, as "Crudely Wrott" says above. You never know what researchers or breeders might be interested in doing a decade or two from now.

It's intriguing to speculate on what might be possible, or desirable, when it comes to postmortem horse breeding. Eventually, at an appropriate time, I (or some other reporter) will try to find out the actual disposition of Barbaro's genetic heritage (there might be some test tubes of sperm sitting someplace, for example). But if you're getting the impression that I know anything about that disposition already, it's merely my fault that the item is "crudely wrought."

get a grip people! i own 11 horses and they are all competed. these horses love it, they live for it. especially when they are bred for it. did you know that a horse bred to race will be dragging the rider around the racetrack in about 2 days of being broke? it is instinct, it is natural!

horses are flight animals. the same exact fracture and break that happened to barbaro does and will happen to wild horses running across land, or the one who happens to stick its foot in a hole and break its leg off. at least the same people who allowed the horse to race also allowed him to live in as much comfort as possible and die not in pain. or if you prefer they could have done it real natural and just let him lay on the track and starve to death.

until you take a horse on and see that it is like a child you wont understand. you don't like us competing our horses. that is equal to us not liking you people competing your kids in soccer and baseball. you people only care about the trophies! you see how stupid it sounds?

just put yourself in our position.
I meant to mention that sometimes you have to put your podner down since there is nothing more you can do. You weep. It changes you. Makes you harder is this way and softer in that way. Such times make you draw closer to the horse, the dog, the other old men, the land, your parents . . .
Are you serious Walter?!?!?!?! this was a great horse so if you clone him you bring yet another generation of a great race horse. i think they should clone him to bring back the greatness of this family
There's Only going to be one Barbaro. Like there's only to be one Northern Dancer.They only come once in a lifetime.Don't mess with Mother Nature.She knows what's she's doing.Let whatever will be will be!!
julie,

children have choice (if parents allow it) whether they "compete" in sports. nonhuman animals have no choice and they wouldn't be "bred" for it, if humans weren't looking for "entertainment". slaves "love" their masters.

barbaro's bone "problem" was an inhumane industry that forced an immature horse into inhumane, unnatural situations.

period.

rest in peace.
Today my heart was broken, If there is a horse heaven He will reign well in a Kingdom of bluegrass and mares. May he race forever

A friend
"Crudely Wrott" isn't at all, and writes a very good blog answer to the ideas of saving DNA and of using DNA in the case of Barbero. Cloning is almost a perfected science but should wait a while, while the frozen DNA can sit in stasis for as many years as the people who are involved want. In the meantime, doesn't the next winner deserve the chance to wear the roses? Isn't that the purpose of the run?
This is a very tough issue. I just read a new article on MSN about a 20 year Israeli boy that was killed in combat. The parents had their boys sperm removed and went to court to have it available to impregnate a woman to carry on the family line. We now have the "know how" to do such things as we do with cloning. I guess it is up to the individuals concerned to make those decisions. Unfortunately, humans have been "playing God" in some way or another, since we have had "conscientious will." I am an animal lover, and would be reluctant to clone one of my own animals, but if that animal is truly unique, perhaps it should be done.
Yes Julie....I agree. Horses just want to run...and run harder. They want to jump, kick and even sometimes just lie down and roll over. Much like our children. And sometimes they fall. Most of them rise to their feet again, perhaps with a limp for a short time and then continue on with their games. My point and I'm getting tired is....perhaps these games like the Derby, Preakness, and Belmont are games that more experienced and physically developed "children" should participate in. I like the idea of changing the racing rules...give these athletes another year to mature. And cloning....why? Let's continue the art and science of breeding. The sport has produced amazing animals. Let's allow these "ponies" to develop into the athletes they were bred to be by changing the age regulations. Godspeed King Barbaro!
I have to wonder how much semen was recovered from this creature during his supposed recovery, would think it would be worth a fortune.  Has any one asked if this was done since the accident?
I'm all for cloning... if it's a valuable race horse, that's cool too. I have no doubt DNA will be for sale in the future, be it for a new face, limb, or even a new body. I guess the only thing holding it back is the technology needed to do brain transplants and the release of the stupid cloning/stem-cell research laws. Of course there would be much religious controversy over this.

Replying to a link off of this asking, "Would cloned people have souls?", it depends on what you call a soul. If you are calling the brain a soul, then yes. The brain does all the thinking for us, we ARE the brain. So, what exactly is this "soul"? ..Can it even exist scientifically? Then again, God is not scientific, hence the reason I cannot see his face. Of course, we are all organisms, and we all have the "souls", we would like to think. Do trees have souls? They are still organisms, none-the-less. Yet again, we have more religious and traditional controversy.
if breeders were interested in preserving Barbaro's genes, why was he not used for stud when he was feeling better and on the way to recovery. I think the time for using him for breeding is past and cloning him would lead to something less than the desired offspring. What would keep the problems that caused him to break down from resurfacing in future generations
It is interesting that the death of a race horse can cause so much emotion when countless horses and animals are sacrificed for no less reason every year in rodeos.
Yes lets clone Barbaro. And while we are at it lets clone Man-O-War, Seabiscuit, War Admiral, Citation and Secretariat. That is a race I would love to see.
Cloning aside, did they get any semen samples before this unfortunate event for a magnificant creature. Though they would not be able to race, he would still have offspring. He shadows his human couterparts in sports in honesty, integrity, courage and strength. Sure says alot about what human sports figures have become.
Until the Jockey Club allows for even horses produced by artificial insemination, I doubt Barbaro's clone's offspring (should there ever be any) will race. And why bother breeding jumpers or whatever "worthwhile competition" the article suggests. I would have loved to see Barbaro survive and produce, I think it shows race horse owners that actually act responsibly for there horse, and don't just put him down. And ultimately, the therapies may aid other horses.
Are people seriously considering cloning Barbaro?

People's careless disregard of genetics coupled with greed is what got Barbaro where he is now. . . dead.  In fact, the horse industry as a whole has major issues because of how we choose to meddle with horse genetics.

Take into consideration the Impressive line in Quarter Horses.  A debilitating and often fatal muscle condition has been bred into 2500 offspring because this stallion was a real winner and money maker in the show ring.

http://www.genomenewsnetwork.org/
articles/04_00/Impressive_flaw.shtml


Thoroughbreds as a whole have a myriad of health problems because they are so heavily inbred.  They tend to have major bone and joint tissues.  Not only that, but horses are forced to race at an age when physiologically their bones are still under-developed.  So when you begin to race a horse that genetically has weak bones before his bones have actually had time to mature and grow hard enough to sustain the concussion of racing, fatal breaks are bound to occur.

It's clear, based on what happened to poor Barbaro, that he is of a line that has particularly weak bones. . . you don't just develop 39 fractures in a single race.  In nature, thanks to natural selection, this line would be weeded out and removed from the gene pool.  And that's exactly what horse breeders should be doing, by not breeding horses with bad genes and by not cloning them.

Until people choose to look past their checkbooks and choose to educate themselves better in the area of genetics and how it pertains to the animals they breed, we are going to have many more Barbaros.
I think that they should clone an army of barbaros, and parade them in front of the P.C. people who think cloning "pets" is wrong.
It seems that there are a lot of horse enthusiasts that think that horse racing is immoral and cruel.  I also assume that all of these people ride horses in some fashion.  It is my belief that these horses are cared for better than the average horse.  As far as cloning goes, I cannot see how this would benefit the racing industry, as they have strict rules that would never allow something like this.  

Barbaro was a great athlete.  If you saw Barbaro run you could see that he enjoyed running!  The outpouring of support for Barbaro showed us how interconnected all living things are.  I think this is the legacy the barbaro leaves with us.
Alex and Ah,

You should both know that the Jockey Club requires a "live cover" for the resulting foal to be eligible for registration and to race.  Artificial insemination is not accepted.  There is no way that Barbaro's fragile hind legs could have borne his entire weight, as would have been necessary for a live cover.  I'm not sure it ever would have been a possibility.

It seems like all the criticism of racing is coming from people who have no experience with horses.  Spend a little time with these magnificent animals, and understand that they love what they do.
To Clone or not to Clone is another story. Right now let us just remember this Great Athlete, with the fire in his eyes
Those who think racing is inhumane are correct if they are referring to the breaking and training of horses that are too young for their bones to have developed yet. That practice needs to end where only horses four years and over are trained and raced. However if you all think racing is inhumane to the well treated horse, you are dead wrong.  A successful racehorse is born because only those who want to race will race.  These horses love their job. I have horses, they aren't racehorses, they are show horses and trail competitors. My horses love their job and at shows priss and preen to the attention of the crowd. I can well imagine them out in front of a grandstand with an excited crowd cheering for them as they do what they are born to do and that is RUN.  They don't need me to do that. They run in the pasture just for fun and exercise. If I'm along for the ride, even better because they have a "buddy" along to have that enjoyment with them.  Don't presume to think a racehorse is only doing it because they are forced into it. It's in their blood and if not allowed to run and compete they are not happy.  A good racehorse WANTS TO COMPETE.  

Accidents happen and they are tragic when they occur. But so is it when a football player gets a broken neck doing what he loves most in life, or a skater gets a catastrophic injury and can't compete any more, or an Olympic hopeful at the track gets hurt or a marathon runner, etc.  Do you see?  Barbaro was doing what he loved when he got injured. We admire him for his heart and courage because that is what made him great both on and off the track. A horse without heart and the desire to win doesn't win as Barbaro did. True greatness is in the head and heart.

There's no need to clone in my opinion, breed his relatives. I believe I saw reference somewhere to a full sibling due to be foaled. The genes are already being preserved.  Each breeding is a rescramble so preserving his genetic code isn't going to get you more of a winner than you might have had rebreeding sire, dam and siblings.
Here's the problem with keeping Barbaro's sperm. The US Thoroughbred Racing Assoc. does NOT allow artifical insemination, for the exact reason that it degenerates the breed. You can do it, and register your Thoroughbred, but he/she can never race.
When I read about Barbaro's passing it was a sad moment. When I was growing up an old horseman told me that "horses are people with 4 legs". I have worked withhorses for 30 years and done several rescues. Al of my own are rescued. There is one thing I learned and that is the love and respect you give each horse is returned to you. You may well be able to clone a horse but not the person-ality that is found within each one. All horses are different just like us.
It amazes me that so much is made of a horse that broke down doing what it was bred to do. It would seem that this fact alone is proof that Barbaro was not a "great" race horse. Look at race times over the decades, is all this overbreeding going in the right direction?
Considering the leg injured was a rear leg, I'd think breeding him would have been dangerous in and of itself.  One, mounting a mare would have put the bulk of his weight on the rear legs, certainly not too intelligent, and you'd better pray the mare doesn't jar too much or bump legs during the process, otherwise, there exists the potential to exacerbate the injury from an unintended kick.  Attempting to breed him would likely have killed him months ago.  His owners did the right thing, considering their effort was to save him.  The flaw here lies only in the fragile physique of the animal itself.

The genetic manipulation of horses is as old as the first bareback rider.   We've been manipulating their body shape and performance through selective breeding for millenia. I think the time is long overdue for some consideration to selective breeding for bone integrity.  The fact is, these animals are incredibly fine boned in places that don't always serve their best interests.
The Jockey Club requires Thoroughbred horses to be conceived naturally.

Cloned horses and any descendants have no value in horseracing.
I don't think it is cruel or wrong to clone Barbaro.  This could mean the world to the breed, and to the strength of foals in the future.  What we are lacking is the gene diversity in the breed as it is, why would we not try to improve this?  Back in the day when Secretariat and Man O' War raced very few horses were hurt so severely in these races, this was due to stronger horses, greater genetic diversity and caring owners (which we still have and is all over the news due to this gallant horse's amazing and tragic story).  I do agree that it can be torture to race these animals, but the horses would honestly not run if they did not want to.  They were bred for it and they want to fly down the track with the dirt they kick up hitting the other horses in the face.  This is what makes them happy,  is it any different with the Greyhounds?

Do you not see the look of happiness on his face in those pictures of him winning the Derby?  They can no race a clone, due to the rules, but they could use him to better the breed.

As the owner I would wait a while before I did this as I would be grieving but I would also want to be able to say I did what I could to preserve this amazing horse's line and look this is the foal of his clone, he has the same genes.  The genetic defaults (if they were there) would have been noticed when the horse was under anesthesia during surgery.  Bone weakness is something that all Thoroughbreds have and this is not solely due to the breeding.  They are raced and worked hard from the time they are a year old and do not have the time to grow into themselves.  I have been working with horses since I was 5 and have never sat on a horse under the age of 4.  They have lengthened the Triple Crown Series from 5 weeks to 9 weeks and this is what I believe was the main factor in the Colt's horrendous and life ending injury.  And it is sad that these animals have to be injured or die for the racing world to realize they are stressing the animals to much but it is improving.  

As long as the people who own these horses care for them as Barbaro's did they will be taken care of.  Not all of the racing world looks at them as a paycheck and if they did we would not have watched with tears in our eyes as the Derby winner stumbled to a halt not 9 months ago at the Start of the Preakness, or followed his recovery so avidly, if they did not care they would not have kept the fans  in such detailed knowledge of his injuries and the measures taken to save his life.  You can not accuse the general population of the racehorse owners of not caring for their animals, and if they truly didn't care they would have euthanized him back in May when he was injured instead of spending tens of thousands and then some to possibly save the horse's life.  They did not care if he was able to breed they just wanted him home safe and sound.  This will never be so.

But please do not immediately criticize the educated minds that are trying to better the breed, or possibly just grant some peace to the greving owners.  They never stated that they "WERE" going to clone him, just that it was possible IF the owners deemed it okay.

Know that we would never see Cloned Thoroughbreds race, however cloned Mules do race, is this okay?  Why would we make the all ready small gene pool smaller?  Why not try to keep the diversity going as this horse was bred for speed and endurance, while  most other modern-day racehorses are only bred for looks and speed, but not endurance?  We need to think about the future of the breed, and yes while Barbaro's death is a tragedy, we need to make the best of this sad time and look forward to what his offspring would do for the racing community, and for the breed in the long run.  
What if, just what if they already did clone him and did not say anything about it?huh?
My heart is breaking this morning for the owners of Barbaro, the racing industry and the horse world in general. This was an absolutely wonderful horse and we are not likely to see another like him for a long time. We long for what could have been, both from Barbaro himself and his potential offspring. When you think of it that way I too would love to see him cloned if at all possible. I do hope that there is the necessary material has been put in storage for work in that area at some point on down the line. At the very least I would think that they would have banked some sperm for use should the racing industry ever think their way clear to allow artificial insemination.

Now, would I like to see Barbaro cloned, you bet. Would it be the same animal, no. But, the potential would be there for greatness to come from the offspring of that clone. However, there is no guarantee that the offspring would be anywhere near as good as the great Barbaro. There have been many really good horses over the decades that have not been able to produce what you would expect them to. The one downside is what potential problems could come from the clone? While I am not sure it was Barbaro that I was reading about, this past year I remember reading something about a horse that broke down being from a line that had several horses that also had broken down and there was some question as to why the breeding was made as this tendency came down from both sire and dam's side. That would certainly be something to think about. If Barbaro did have that weakness of bone behind him would it be worth it to try to reproduce him only to maybe get another great horse that also would break down and fall to the same fate at the wonderful Barbaro. I for one would hate to have to go through the loss of another horse this way. For those that might not have been around as long, when I watched Barbaro break his leg my mind flew back to the day when I watched another fabulous young horse, a beautiful black filly called Ruffian who had so much potential ahead of her and to have watched that all die with her that fateful day on the track with Magestic Prince when she too broke her leg. The vets tried in vain to set her leg only to loose her as she woke and rebroke the leg at which time she was kindly destroyed. Wouldn't it be nice if the racing industry would consider letting these delicate animals have another year to grow and mature before putting so much stress on their young legs. We can only hope to one day that will be true. Then maybe we can relax a bit more when we watch those beautiful horses with all of their heart racing down the track.
From Diana:

"children have choice (if parents allow it) whether they "compete" in sports. nonhuman animals have no choice and they wouldn't be "bred" for it, if humans weren't looking for "entertainment". slaves "love" their masters.

"barbaro's bone "problem" was an inhumane industry that forced an immature horse into inhumane, unnatural situations."

Diana,
Do you know anything about horses?  Ever cared for one, or ridden one?  It doesn't matter what a horse was bred to do, it could have the best racing genes in the world and still not want to run.  You can't make them race if they don't want to--no, not even with a whip.  It just doesn't work. So as for choice, they make the choice to race; if they put up too much fuss in training, or showed clear unhappiness and and unwillingness to do it, they wouldn't be raced.

And as for the "unnatural situations," horses are flight animals.  They do not have sharp teeth, or claws, or any means of natural defense but swift running.  Racing takes a perfectly natural horse action, running, and places it in a controlled format.

The racing industry has its flaws. In some cases, severe ones.  But don't go crying abuse over Barbaro's accident--he had a better life, and better care, than most animals the world over ever get.
Torrie of Daytona Beach: What are you talking about? They've probably been pulling sperm samples from Barbaro every day since he won the Derby. How is that any more ethical than cloning him?
I too believe there are some faults in the industry, such as the racing of the delicate animals when they have not yet matured.  

But these are runners, they are borne to run.  I have ridden many horses, all different breeds, and not a single one of them can compare to the need and desire this amazing breed has for speed.  Thoroughbreds are bred for speed and that is all.  Many go on to jumping, or dressage, even more to the slaughter house, but because there is that small select few that are good enough, and have the desire to race are hurt in the process it is branded as cruel.  It is not as if they do not have the choice to run.  

Have you ever tried to force a horse to jump a fence they didn't want to?  Have you never tried to get a horse to turn a direction and had it set its jaw and run the opposite direction?  

How many of these Thoroughbreds go to auction every year due to their lack of speed, desire to run, or just because they aren't made for it?  Very few actually do race, out of those very few win the way Barbaro did.  Yes he may not be able to produce the same drive and talent in his offspring, but why not see if we would be denying this allready talented breed a way to strengthen itself? The subject of bone weakness was not necessarialy just Barbaro's case, in my experience all Thoroughbreds are more likely for leg injuries due to their long, thin legs.  They are bred for speed, a horse with heavy thick bones will not run as fast as a horse with lighter thinner bones.  What do you think they breed for?  Barbaro had a false start before he injured himself,  I have watched many false starters get back in the gate sound and then break clean, just to pull up mabie a douzen or so strides later with some sort of leg injury, this could have, did add more stress to allready strained, delicate hind legs. (They only had 2 weeks between the Derby and the Preakness, he had never raced in 2 races so close together and many horses do not make it through the Series due to the grueling schedule)

We have cloned Jumpers, reiners, and cutting horses, why not try a racehorse?  We can say we have tried all we could to save this amazing horses gene line and at the very least spread out the genomes a bit.  I for one, believe that it is Barbaro's owner's choice and they have not stated either way if this is indeed going to happen.  If they decide to go ahead with this I would be very excited, and I would once again follow the progress as I followed it when he was recovering.  

I love horses, and especially the Thoroughbred breed as they have so much spirit and drive to just go, and I would like to know that in even though Barbaro was unable to win this race, they were able to continue his line.  He was a magnificent animal and as he was taken so quickly from the world he did not have a chance to be bred, I for one would love to see what his offspring could possibly accomplish on the track.  
Hey Gang,

Barbaro has an EXACT BROTHER enFOAL as y'all argue the point. The same breeding was done this fall. So there will be technically another Barbaro-with the same set of genes. Now- will this animal have the same desire to run and race-- Who knows? But there is already another Barbaro in 3 years that we might get to see. But then we will see if it was in the "head" or the genes!!!!
I know nothing about horse racing, but Barbaro was breathtakingly beautiful while racing at Churchill Downs. He looked so proud and powerful, a true champion. I really cannot believe he would have run lke that if it wasn't in his blood, in his nature and a true joy in his too short life. He was glorious champion. Rest in peace Barbaro.
I say make a movie about him. That will preserve him for future generations.
Have Texas A&M clone the jockey too.
If, the death of this horse is an event so sublime –as many people tray to put it- Barbaro should be recycled into the food chain by donating his corpse to feed the animals in a needy Zoo in America. This could be done as a celebration in his memory and maybe as a good excuse for a fund raiser to feed starving orphan animals around the country.
If you clone him you won't get an exact copy. You can't clone the spirit and soul. Barbaro's dignity would suffer for it.
3 years ago I wrote an award winning screenplay covering the dilemma of cloning thoroughbred races and impact it would have on the industry. Imagine Man O War, Phar Lap, Citation and Secretariat all in their prime, all in the same race....Since thoroughbreds must be bred naturally, arguing to clone Barbaro is a mute point as he (the clone) and his progeny (if he indeed could breed) would be banned from thoroughbred racing forever. Let the merits of Barbaro stand on their own....He was a great horse, who, if he had the chance, might have become immortal in racing.
Barbaro was a magnificent horse, a true champion and fighter.  The hospital and owners did all they could do for him and when the time came it was for the best.
As for cloning, no way.  There is only one Barbaro. He gave us much enjoyment, on the track and his will to fight to keep alive.  What more would we want from a magnificent animal.  He will always be remembered, never forgotten.  
          When I first heard of the possibility of cloning Barbaro my heart leapt, to me it felt like we could bring him back, but we can't. It wouldn't be the same horse, but the real Barbaro is resting peacefully in Heaven now.    Personally,  I
don't think it would be ethical to clone  Barbaro. 

 It was not to be that Barbaro would produce offspring and though I hope he didn't have a genetic bone weakness or something of the sort it is a possibility and  I would hate for those genetics to be passed on to yet another generation of racing horses.

  Why not breed his  sire and dam  for a direct sibling instead?  Barbaro was truly great and quite frankly I am disgusted that people are already considering  cloning him. I know that if cloning is to be an option the necessary DNA would have to be retrieved very soon but let us all remember the real Barbaro, the true champion for who he was.  It is not fair to exploit the DNA of Barbaro just for profit, I know to some people it may seem emotionally promising, it would be like having a second chance to watch this horse grow again.     But it wouldn't be Barbaro really, it might be genetically coded exactly the same way but its not him.  We shouldn't mess with nature.   

 Another point someone made above was asking why he wasn't bred while on the road to recovery.  For a second I wondered the same thing then read further comments and heard that it  may have shortened his life span.  Bless the Jacksons for thinking of Barbaro and not their  check books when they made that decision.  
As for the theory that we could clone  Barbaro to

a) prove it could be  done *we should NOT exploit him in that way*  and

b) we could use him clones for research -that in itself is another horrific idea.

If people do clone Barbaro after all,then we will create real horses, not Barbaro himself but other horses just the same. They will feel pain and we should not be considering researching on them and testing them. It will be our duty to care for them if they are clones just as much as it would be if they were naturally  conceived. Barbaro was a great horse,he deserves to be remembered with respect and dignity,honor and love.

Finally, I agree with those above that stated the race horses should be given more years to mature before running in races. I am not a racing fan but I love all horses and many have captured my heart from the racing industry, especially Barbaro.   It is
cruel and unwise to race them so young when they have not yet matured fully or had the chance to develop their bones.  People should have some patience and wait until the time is right. Then you can race them if that is what they will.  

Barbaro, many loved and supported you in your short time here on earth, and we still love you now, even though you have moved on to a higher place.Barbaro was an embassador for his world, bringing hope and inspiration to all of us. Not only that but he brought awareness to the somewhat blinded public on the plight of some horses not so fortunate. Please, let's remember him for who he truly was, and not what we can make of him with genetics. Barbaro, either way you will still be a champion, and even though you never quite got a chance to leave your mark as far as offspring went, or even reach your full racing potential you are legendary.  


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