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The next, next big machine

Posted: Tuesday, January 16, 2007 9:18 PM by Alan Boyle

The next big machine in the world of science is the Large Hadron Collider, an $8 billion particle accelerator due to start operations late this year on the French-Swiss border. The LHC just might lift the veil on exotic physics such as the "God particle" and the extra dimensions in which we live.

There's yet another next big machine, in a slightly different field: the $13 billion ITER experimental fusion reactor, slated to be built in France by 2015. That could eventually open the door to clean, abundant, relatively safe nuclear power.

So what's the next, next big machine? What future international science project might the United States pursue? As far as the world's leading physicists are concerned, that would be the International Linear Collider - a huge multibillion-dollar installation that would follow up on the leads generated by the LHC. But is it really necessary? And is there really any chance of bringing the project to the United States?


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An artist's conception shows a cutaway view of
the future International Linear Collider.

Let's face it: Europe is now becoming the pre-eminent place on the frontiers of physics, with Japan, China, India and other countries competing hard as well. Meanwhile, particle physicists in the United States are preparing to shut down experiments at the SLAC B Factory in 2008, and the Tevatron in 2009.

The prestige gap dates back to 1993, when Congress shut down the partially built Superconducting Super Collider early in its construction phase. Since then, the cost of high-energy physics has risen to the extent that no one country can afford to build state-of-the-art facilities by itself. And it's not clear how much the international science community would trust the United States to follow through on the next, next big machine.

"The United States has to do something to improve its reputation," said Nigel Lockyer, a high-energy physicist at the University of Pennsylvania who helped write a report on the state of the nation's particle-physics research. "It's already not in good shape. We definitely have to fix that."

Lockyer and other leading physicists sized up the Large Hadron Collider and the International Linear Collider last week during a panel discussion at the American Astronomical Society's winter meeting in Seattle.

The dean of string theorists, Edward Witten of the Institute for Advanced Study at Princeton, said physicists would need both colliders to gain deep insights into the mysteries of physics - ranging from extra dimensions and exotic particles to the nature of dark energy and dark matter.

The ILC would actually achieve lower collision energies than the LHC - in the range of 500 billion to 1 trillion electron volts, compared with the LHC's 14 trillion electron volts. But the ILC would deal with electron-positron collisions, which would provide a much clearer picture of the subatomic world than the LHC's proton-proton collisions.

Witten said a collider like the LHC usually provides the "best way to discover new phenomena." However, he added, "it's not necessarily the best way to learn about those new phenomena."

That's why the international community is already talking about what shape the ILC might take, and where it might be built - even if it won't be built until sometime after 2010. Helen Quinn, a theoretical physicist at the Stanford Linear Accelerator Center, said that if the United States decided to enter the competition for the ILC, the likeliest site would be somewhere around the Fermi National Accelerator Laboratory in Illinois, which has housed the nation's biggest accelerators in the past.

Eventually, an international consortium called the Funding Agencies for the Linear Collider will decide where the ILC will go - just as similar consortia worked out the locations for the LHC and ITER in the past. Scientists such as Witten, Quinn and Lockyer are already meeting amongst themselves, as well as with officials at the Energy Department and other agencies, to draw up the best case for America.

To get an overview of the issues involved - in physics as well as politics - you can't do better than "Revealing the Hidden Nature of Space and Time," a report drawn up last year by a committee of the National Research Council and available free online.

You can also refer to these archived MSNBC articles on the current frontiers of physics as well as the search for extra dimensions and the theory of everything. But if you want to delve into a book-length discussion of physics' strange frontiers, here are some recommendations from the three physicists:

Online, you'll find great resources at "The Particle Adventure" Web site and at Interactions.org. You can also page through Symmetry magazine. And if you're wondering what the next, next, next big machine might be, I have three words for you: Compact Linear Collider.

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The US cancels, restarts, redesigns, pushes back, and then cancels again EVERYTHING. We are the worst international partner you could ever have and I don't think anyone can trust us to follow something through to the end. ISS anyone? Yeah there's a shining mark on our dependability. Even before the shuttle accident we said we wouldn’t finish our part - the crew module. The only reason we "re-joined" the fusion team was because China did. That was a project redesigned smaller, delayed, canceled and restarted, too.
With such international collaboration that include developed and developing countries, these sure are exciting times! I am highly optimistic that the coming decade will herald the discoveries of phenomena that will literally transofrm the way humans will progress. Imagine a world where the scientific community has cracked the code for genetics, discovered and learnt the deepest secrets of string universe(s), harnessed fusion energy and governments and countries looking out towards the skies rather than their neighbors!
You have all gotta be kidding me! I have been in this country for 15 years. I have not yet met anybody, that even tries to be an American. Well, if you don't want to, why are you here? What keeps you from going "home"?
IS IT POSSIBLE THAT BUILDING THE PARTICLE ACCELERATOR COULD BE LIKE OPENING PANDORAS BOX OR EATING FROM THE TREE OF FORBIDDEN FRUIT,
JUST WONDERING.


In this blog, the author links to an aticle on extra dimensions in which Lisa Randall of Harvard comments on the weakness of gravity by saying "A tiny magnet can lift a paper clip, even though all the mass of the earth is pulling it in the opposite direction,". This seems at odds with the great power it takes to lift the space shuttle into orbit. Maybe she is measuring the wrong force and perhaps that little magnet is stronger than she imagines.
We as a nation have become shamefully small-minded in terms of human advancement of the sciences, letting our political aspirations as "WORLD COP" overshadow our need to develop new alternative fuel sources and achieve new medical breakthroughs. This would be a perfect time for extraterrestrial intervention, a little finger-shaking and an alien "SHAME ON YOU". Americans are smart and inventive when we want to be, as long as government constraints don't affect our path. I agree that other countries aren't crazy about sharing projects with us; we sometimes act like the braggart that claims credit for any discoveries, and doesn't wish to share the benefits with others. This trait is enough to stall progress on a global scale. Perhaps a SCIENTIST should run for President...
Yeah, America Sucks! I wish Tito and Stalin were here to lead us to our New Post-History Utopia! The Lenin Cultural Engineering Laboratories would've fixed it all real good.
Funding for large, US based scientific projects can only be gained from Congress if the the military determines that the project yield has a potential use as a strategic weapons system. That major American scientific achievement is held hostage based on the whims of it's associated politics is a sad truth that we all must endure.
To debate the US as a player in the world of science is really a joke... A country that is debating whether or not to teach ID next to evolution. I just saw a movie called "Idiocrasy" and it showed how the south finaly won the war. We by no means deserve the honor of being the site for the greatest machines to ever disprove religion. Praise be to Darwin

Well, it's wonderful 'n all that them fancy Europeans got themselves a shiny new collider, but if'n they go and create a tiny black hole with it, how are they gonna turn it off?


Uhmericin's don't need no science.  That's why we'll bag on the ILC.  What good are extra dimensions if you can't build a casino on 'em or pump oil out of 'em?

The US Taxpayers have been doing all the heavy lifting in paying for high energy empirical machines since WWII. It's about time the rest of the world stepped up to the plate. I see this as a positive development.

There's little chance of a massive linear collider being built in the US because of 3 reasons. 1) Congress doesn't have the money and won't provide it even if it has; 2) The chance of international participation with US as lead is a little better than nil. Too much domestic politics, too much military 'interference', too much commercial 'return on investment' mindset, and very few countries trust the US on such projects anymore, even with signed contracts and treaties. 3) Everybody is waiting for the findings of the Large Hadron Collider before seriously considering if a larger machine can be justified. And if a larger machine can be justified, it will most likely be led by and built in the EU. It will be their reward for the LHC success.


The US is out of such major high energy experimental physics for decades to come. That is the result of a deliberate policy of its government, and neglect of its research community. After all, it's a lot more fun to spend a trillion dollars on crusading wars on foreign soils.

It is about time that we take the 'competitive sports mentality' out of science and create a global co-operative effort in the investigation of the mysteries of the universe.

Einstein accomplished more by 'thinking' than any group of physicists with an 8 billion dollar device that is accompanied with a pitch using seductive catch-phrases like "God particle" and the "extra dimensions in which we live".

I am rethinking exactly what, truly, is the world's oldest profession. So far its a tie between astronomy and physics.

These physicist people act like kids at Toys-R-Us.  Any new scientific equipment should come out of their allowance.

The new sciences are exciting, but in the end all will be burnt up anyway. Anyone can see that the nations are being at eachother is more and more is scary.
Both Bush and the Muslim extremists have one thing in common. They both want religion to trump a better way forward through science. The more secular Europeans, Japanese, Chinese, and Indians will do the lion's share of the science in the public interest for decades to come. We deserve our fate.
How about we ditch going to the moon and work on this wacky particle accelerator nonsense, then when we find the God Particle someone will write a paper and get a nobel prize and then nothing.
Response to Tom Wilson: Gravity is by far the weakest of the 4 forces (gravity, electromagnetic, the 'strong' nuclear force, the 'weak' nuclear force). Her point is that very little energy is required to overcome the effect of gravity compared to the other forces. An atomic bomb exploits the release of the energy binding the atoms in a very small amount of matter (I forget whether that is the 'weak' or the 'strong' force, sorry) and you can see the impact of that incredible force. The paperclip may not have been the best way to illustrate this. I higly recommend Lisa Randall's book.
Actually, Tom

The force of Gravity is considered to be a "weak" force (not to be confused with the *Weak Forces*).  Gravity is indeed a weak force when compared to the Strong Nuclear and Electromagnetic forces.  You have to remember that the shuttle that launches off from Earth weighs roughly 4.5 million pounds, and 90% of that is generally fuel to propel it at escape velocity into orbit.
Science is the one human endeavour that can enlighten us all, as a species, and unite us in discovery. National interests should take a backseat where science is involved. In the future, we will inevitably have to work together to move to the stars and maintain the Earth so that it remains livable, despite housing some 7 billion people. If the US wants to continue to be involved in cutting edge scientific research, and to continue to reap the benefits of said research, it shouldn't quibble about whether or not it is on US soil, but rather contribute consistently to development, wherever it may be.
One comment: Magnetic Alignment issues at the LHC. If anything is to be done well, it's got to be in the United States or Japan. Sorry-- that was two comments.
Some priorities, please. I feel Priority Number One, just briefly mentioned in the article, is ITER. Reason: Global Warming. We need this energy source badly, and now. We need to ditch the useless, pointless Mars and moon missions and build alternative sources of energy. Our research into fusion should be increased by an order of magnitude, even if done in an attempt to look past ITER. ILC can be justified only if it helps the development of non-greenhouse-gas sources of energy.
Hey, Chris Eldridge --  check out the Canadian Arrow, the first jet aircraft.  It was built by Avro ,and made to defend the north coast against the Russians flying bombs over the north pole, and was meant to become the prototype for passenger jets.  After its successful test flight, Prime Minister Diefenbaker cancelled the project because of 'financial considerations' leading to massive layoffs at Avro of engineers and scientists who all moved to the States, found employment with NASA and put man on the moon.

To Mike, Steve, and Tom  --  gravity is listed with the other forces, but shouldn't be.  Electro-magnetism is  linked directly to the strong and weak forces within atoms; those three forces can be controlled and are variable.  Gravitic force depends only upon the mass of two objects and varies with the distance between them.  But it exists between every two objects in the universe.

To illustrate how weak it really is, just lift your arm out from your side.  Easy?  Yet you just lifted a few kilos afainst the gravity exerted by Earth, a planet of many billions of kilos.  Wait...wait...wait.

Your arm is getting tired.  Keep waiting.  Eventually your arm will start to shake and then fall to your side again.  Gravity will always win.  Its power lies in its constancy, not in its inherent strength.

If the planet suddenly disappeared from under our feet we would immediately become aware of the moon's gravity, and if Luna blinked out of existence, we would feel the sun's pull.  The astronauts and space station habitants talk about living in 'null gravity' space, but they really move within a balance of gravity and centrifugal forces, feeling neither.

Alarm bells go off in my head whenever I hear "we as a nation" in referral to large government projects.

I think, perhaps, we as a nation are just slightly less gullible and slightly more trailblazing than Europe and Japan.  My main evidence for this is the fact that most new industries over the past century have initiated in the United States, which was then "followed" by these other companies.  Some - like Japanese with cars and electronics - have figured out how to do them cheaper or better.  Others - like Europeans with airplanes - have botched it up.

Give the American people and yes - even the American government - some credit.  As bad as we are at smelling a rotting corpse of an overgrown socialized and politicized science project grown out of control (see:  NASA), we are a little better on average than other countries.

ITER was one great example.  The US was right to pull out of this, and unfortunately we suckered ourselves back in partly.  Magnetic torus design is going nowhere fast and it will almost definitely create a monster of a power plant that most utilities won't be able to use in most markets because it just plain puts out too much power.  Plus, the D-T cycle is known to create a moderate radioactive waste problem.

And the Superconducting Super Collider.  With the Standard Model pretty well filled out and the testable energy realm of String Theory well above anything we can currently design, what's the point?  That 10 billion would be better used in a lot of ways - tax breaks for companies and universities that do basic research on *testable* physics theories.  There are many very promising alternatives to the hopelessly tangled manifolds of String Theory that are getting crushed by winner-takes-all government allocation.

Buying your buddy a drink is a nice thing to do, unless he's a raging alcoholic, then it's the worst thing you could do for him.  The same is true of basic science and government money.

The US has a home-grown alternative to the ITER - the National Ignition Facility (www.llnl.gov/nif/). The NIF will demonstrate fusion by laser implosion of the fuel. Construction is almost complete.

As for massive accelerators the US (both government and researchers) has lost a great deal of interest. (Nevertheless, it funded the Large Hadron Collider to the tune of $500M.) Money was diverted instead to spacecrafts to do astroscience research. That's where the US has a great deal of expertise and the industrial payoff more clear and immediate.

I do see one way the US will want to jump back into big collider. That's when the LHC discovers something absolutely stunning, unexpected, and opens the door to a new frontier of basic physics. Something like the discovery of nuclear energy back in the 1920-30. Such a fundamental discovery will have strong military implications. This, along with the US clearly not wanting to cede leadership to other major countries in such incredible discovery, will unify Congress to scramble to catch up.
It may not be a particle collider, but does the planned overwhelmingly large European 100-meter-wide telescope count? It's hard to keep up on all that but I do know they were very serious about building it last I heard.
I think many people fail to understand the good that comes out of accelerator laboratories. For example the neutron and proton therapy facilities at Fermilab have saved many lives. Karl Brown, a Stanford physicist at SLAC and a number of others built the first linear accelerator for cancer treatment. Eventually the CLINAC, a commerical medical accelerator produced by Varian, was the product of his work. The technology used in nuclear radiation detectors has been applied to portal screening devices to detect dirty/nuclear bombs in shipping containers at US ports. Really what is at stake is the flow of ideas and intelligence. When you build a research laboratory it creates an attractor of scientists, engineers and students. This is in part why the US has been a technological leader in the world. I personally think that a few billion dollars spent on accelerators goes a lot farther to the betterment of mankind than bombing some other country into the stone age.
Plain and simple; build sustainable-reaction fusion reactors and several problems disappear. Energy will be abundant and useful for every application, global warming will end, petroleum will be plentiful and cheap for those technologies where it is essential - virtually every "Green" craving will be satisfied. International politics will be far less restive and war less likely the result of the collision between the affluent and the impoverished. Sounds like a panacea? Not at all, these are only the easily imagined results of harnessing the ultimate energy source.
America is basically a third world dump. Americans rank last or near the bottom in every school subject. America's politicians are too busy finding a new country to invade for the "War On Terror", and so the Americans spend all their money on welfare for illegal immigrants and blacks, whatever money is left over goes to the military's misadventures abroad.
There are several problems that have led the US into its current contretemps vis-a-vis cutting edge research:

1) Christian-based anti-intellectualism
2) Christian-based opposition to science in general
3) Christian-based opposition to scientific research having the slightest connection to cosmology and the creation of the (our) universe

Now then... what do all these various causes have in common?  Christianity will bring this nation to its knees and beyond.  I fear that in a hundred years, we will be in the position the middle east finds itself today: an intellectual past to be proud of but a present in which devout belief in the irrational has taken a very promising culture and reduced them to mud huts and goat-herding.

The cure, of course, is education.  Calculus and Physics with Calculus should be as mandatory as English Composition 101.  Our government should use about one one-hundredth what it spent to destroy the nation of Iraq and fund the education of every American to the BS/BA level.
I look forward to the new and exciting ideas on particle-physics. I do have some concern.What happens if you do recreate the Big Bang. Does it wipe us off the planet? Will the collision cause a bigger explosion than expected? Just wondering.
CERN points out that the high energy physics is confined in a very small space, therefore, getting to within a few microseconds or picoseconds of the Big Bang conditions, is not dangerous. They keep trying to get closer and closer to Big Bang conditions however. In fact, the only thing keeping them from achieving perfect Big Bang conditions is our limited technology, apparently. One wonders, if we could perfectly duplicate conditions at the very instant of the Big Bang, not off by a few picoseconds, would we do it? In my opinion, the legal system needs to look at this seriously. I am all in favor of science and technology but also common sense. Of course we can get all sorts of great technology and military weapons by doing high energy physics experiments, but I am not sure we can derive useful weapons from the Big Bang and that's what we seem to be headed for. Apparently the boys playing with this fire never had a bad experience with matches.

If you think about it, why do we assume that getting close to the Big Bang is safe at all? It may be that even lower energy physics experiments are very dangerous, but we have lucked out due to lower probability of high energy consequences that get out of control. It seems to me that you don't want to spend huge amounts of time and energy increasing the probability of some of the low probability events that might eventuate. In fact, I think a strong legal argument (re: unforeseen environmental impact etc) can be made to outlaw many of the high energy physics experiments entirely, and put the focus instead on more intensive observation of the natural world and natural energy phenomena including high energy astronomical events.

Hopefully higher intelligences are "out there" taking note and acting very effectively to neutralize physics endangering themselves as well as us.
Heavy Ion Fusion is a little-known but still promising "synergistic" technology that actually connects the science of the Large Hadron Collider with the science of the ITER experimental fusion reactor.

The basic idea of Heavy Ion Fusion is to use a large particle accelerator to ignite fusion fuel pellets by zapping them with a beam of heavy ions, thereby releasing huge amounts of clean energy.  The physics is similar to the National Ignition Facility (see comment above by John Do) but it turns out that particle accelerators are more practical for large scale, economical energy production.  This was recognized as far back as 1979, but R&D funding has been severely limited by political circumstances. 

It's time for this promising pathway to fusion energy to finally be fully funded and developed to its potential.
High end sciences, engineering, new technologies, even health care -- all the fields future generations will need to remain preeminent in the world are not taken seriously in this country. Maybe we're about to go the way of the Romans.
Concern about the LHC seems to be spreading beyond the science community and into the lifestyle press. Manchester England's bob magazine has just published a good article on the LHC and it's potential dangers in its latest issue. You can see it online and download a pdf at the 'this issue' section of their site - it's bobmagazine.co.uk

In the feature DR Brian Cox from CERN (and, bizarrely, one hit pop wonders D:REAM) does his best to explain in lay terms why there is no real danger. At the same time, however, he does seem to come up short on quite a few issues. See what you think.

Still worried personally.
This would make a great Dr Who episode.
I Think This Is For Destroying Our Planet
Well it is one of the biggest achivements... N best part is many countries has come forward to support it... I m happy about india partispation in it ....  
This is not about anything but the fear of the all mighty tax payer. We have to cut everything because we do not see profit. This is the governments ideal of intellectual welfare reform. It has nothing to do with concerns over singularities, explosions, or God. This is plain old simple tax payer pandering at its best.
This shows that "Human has gone beyond his creator control". It's like zero, which can't be defined.
More simple "Beginning Of End".


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