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Lost cities seen from space

Posted: Friday, January 05, 2007 8:05 PM by Alan Boyle

Archaeologists and NASA experts are using satellite images to find jungle-covered ruins that had been hidden almost literally right under their noses. The 21st-century technology, highlighted in the latest installment of PBS’ “Nova ScienceNow,” led to the discovery of ancient Maya settlements in Guatemala.

But there are still some mysteries left to solve: “We know a lot more about finding the sites than we do about why we’re finding the sites,” University of New Hampshire archaeologist Bill Saturno told me today.

However it works, the technique has the potential to transform the way archaeology is done, not only in Guatemala, but in Brazil, Bolivia, Cambodia "or anywhere where the forest has traditionally obscured ruins from view," he said.

During the "Nova ScienceNow" segment, Saturno declares that seeing ruins from space "changes the entire way that we approach archaeology in a tropical environment."

The tale had its beginnings in archaeology done the old-fashioned way: by stumbling upon an unexpected find. Back in 2001, Saturno was surveying a potential dig in a remote, uninhabited patch of Guatemalan rain forest, and took refuge from the hot sun in a dark, cavelike chamber. When he turned his flashlight toward the walls, he spotted marvelous murals telling the Maya story of creation.

The paintings at San Bartolo have been called the "Sistine Chapel of the Maya," and the site has also yielded the earliest examples of Mayan writing. It turns out that San Bartolo was a thriving center of Maya culture for centuries - but over the past millennium, many of the signs of habitation have faded into the jungle landscape.

That's where NASA comes into the picture: In 2003, the space agency began providing Saturno's team with satellite imagery, and Saturno bought into the idea that remote sensing from space could reveal ruins that could not be seen at ground level.

The basic concept isn't new, Saturno admitted. "Crop marks have been used in Europe for decades to identify Roman villas, moats, things like that," he told me. "It's a matter of there being slight changes in the soil over those ruins that, in a wheat field, leaves certain marks. Wheat over [the buried ruins of] a wall matures faster than the wheat next to the wall."

In those cases, the differences in the vegetation are clear enough to be seen by the naked eye from the air. "But the tropical forest is a very different environment," Saturno said.


GeoEye / Space Imaging
Maya settlement sites show up as yellowish
splotches in this false-color infrared image
of Guatemalan rain forest, sent from orbit
by the Ikonos satellite.

The color differences are invisible to the naked eye. You have to identify far more subtle changes in the reflectivity of infrared wavelengths, as seen in multispectral satellite imagery. That's just what NASA archaeologist Tom Sever and scientist Dan Irwin were able to help Saturno do, using data from the Ikonos satellite. The trees that grew up over buried ruins showed up as yellowish splotches amid the surrounding shades of red and blue.

Saturno recalled how amazed he was the first time he used the imagery as a guide and walked right up onto a Maya temple: "We'd been in the forest every day for five years and walked by it every day, but we had no idea it was there until we saw it from space," he said.

"As far as being able to use remote sensing in this way in a tropical environment, that's completely unexpected."

Saturno said researchers are still trying to figure out exactly what accounts for the different colors in the infrared. The vegetation may be a slightly different color because of differences in the soil's water retention, as was the case with the European ruins. But that's not the only possibility.

"It could also be a micro-environment created by the decay of those ruins," Saturno said. "The chemicals of that may be actually taken up into the leaves themselves - from the decaying lime plaster, the calcium carbonate there."

Right now, it takes a human's trained eyes to identify the signature of buried Maya sites in the satellite imagery - but a computer could conceivably take on the job if the data set can be tweaked just right, Saturno said.

"All of a sudden, for the first time, we're able to look at the big picture, and understand the extent to which the Maya expanded these cities," Saturno says during the PBS program. "If you think about how many sites are out there ... and we can see how many there are from these satellite images ... how many San Bartolos are out there, waiting to be discovered?"

"Nova ScienceNow," hosted by the Hayden Planetarium's Neil deGrasse Tyson, delves into other subjects as well:

  • Research into factors that may slow the aging process, including animal studies involving sirtuin genes, caloric restriction and resveratrol, a substance found in red wine.
  • The grass-roots effort to build the elements of a space elevator - with a particular focus on last October's Space Elevator Games.
  • The work of Princeton molecular biologist Bonnie Bassler, who has discovered ways in which bacteria use chemical pathways to "talk" to each other - even across species lines.

The show is due for its first airing on Tuesday - but if you miss it, don't fret. Beginning Wednesday, all the segments will be available over the Web.

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If they can find "lost" cities in the jungle, why can't they find that "lost" Spanish ship that is buried in the sand dunes of the Colorado River delta in Mexico?
I think this is great news but we need to be careful.  If we discover 100s of ancient sites and put that information on the web, it is likely that grave robbers will get to the remote sites long before any archeologist do.  This happens all the time in Angkor Wat where there are even guards present.
I feel very sorry for those who don't believe there is an afterlife (in My house, there are many mansions--I can't prove it but I know for sure there is because I had a visit from the Holy Ghost when I was 26 and on my knees praying for the solving of a problem that I had been praying for for 3 months. I received my answer and was able to solve the problem. I am now 76 and and I have lived my life with peace and no fear of death.I was living in Fla. when this happened.
This Sounds a lot like the process described in the Michael Crichton book "Congo" to find the fictional lost city of Zinj.  Is this the first time that this process has been used, or just the first time I am hearing about it?
DEAR SIR, I WRITE ON EARTHQUAKE MECHANISM, PLEASE, HAVE A LOOK TO MY SITE.
I personally think that it is pretty funny that this is a big story. Does anybody remember the " Bosnian pyramids ". This is the same way that they were found. Are they still digging for them? Haven't heard much about it lately. Or is it because maybe he actually found something that no one else has.
University of Arizona archaeologist T. Patrick Culbert began using satellite photography to identify Mayan sites in the Peten in the late 1970s.

They definitely have to be careful about posting on the web--but at the same time, these are trained archaeologists that have been searching the jungle for months and years walking RIGHT by it everyday...they didn't post the coordinates of the sites--just that they are there...somewhere. So as much as I agree with you, If archaeologists couldn't find it on their own without the help of satellite images, I doubt a grave robber will be able to do the same without a specific place to start apart from "the Guatemalan Jungle".

Also, If we can do this on land, why can't we use this technology to find ruins that litter the sea bottoms. I mean, supposedly, the Lost City of Atlantis thrived with a metal that is no longer in existance anymore, (orchalcite), so shouldn't an unidentified source of metal be able to show up via satellite? And if not Atlantis (because not everyone believes in it--though i'm sure it's there.) What about exploring the ruins of the coast of Japan or other various ruins around the Caribbean (bimini road) etc. Satellites with the capabilities that this one seems to have--showing different minerals and sediments--should be able to show us more than meets the eye, or more than we can explore feasibly without damaging history. Just a thought.

This is not new stuff,a couple of year's ago I remember a "special" on TV that this method was being used to spot old trade route's in the deserts,what took so long to apply this to the forest,looking for new growth vrs.old growth perhaps ? (different colors)
I'd like to see this used in the Ohio Valley/Mounds View area.
Hamid, why are you using a Scranton, Pa address from Tehran?
I recall reading somewhere that a satellite survey of parts of North Africa and the Saudi Arabian Peninsula has also been done, and geometric patterns have also been noticed, similar to what is described about submerged European ruins.

You're quite correct, Matthew ... satellite ground-penetrating radar and multispectral imagery aided in the study of the Ubar archaeological site, the "Lost City of Arabia," as described on this PBS Web page:

http://www.pbs.org/wgbh/nova/ubar/tools/  

It would be a great shame if all the secrets of the earth were to be discovered, man would have nothing left to dream about, no adventures to plan, no books to write. Of course on the other hand I'm always ready to learn more.
With new interest in the Mayans and thier knowledge, civilizations, predictions, etc.., I feel we'll be seeing more and more about them and thier astronomical skills. Funny how this was discovered from space.
In woodland New England many people are searching for and cataloging "rock piles", groupings of stones thought to have archeological import, but indefinitive. It would be interesting to have a mapping of these rock piles overlaid with a multispectral satellite overview and see if there are larger patterns undiscernable to the hiker's eye. See a blog called Rockpiles by Peter Waksman. Interesting stuff.
Non-military use of the satellites is not new. However, the use is opening up. To gain a better understanding of what is now possible, look up "remote sensing" by pnysical means, mechanical, electronic, etc., information on the web. Direct sensing from satellites is restricted by their technology for some things, however, satellites may relay information from remote sensing robots on land or under the sea. For instance, special small cameras with other electronic measuring devices are temporairly attached to sea creatures and the information recorded is then relayed to a satellite which relays it to receiving stations. This is not new, just not recognized much by the media.
I wonder if this technology has been tried/used to try to discover WMD traces in the Iraq desert? I know they found at least one airplane buried in the sand, why not 100 more or a few WMD's???
Interesting. According to John Romer (Testament), ancient travelers in groups of 2s or 3s who camped in the Sinai desert thousands of years ago left remains that are easily visible to our technology today, and yet ... there is no sign of 2 million hebrews wandering the desert for 40 years ... or even 200K wandering for 40 months ... or yet 2K wandering for 4 weeks. No record. God must have cleaned up the mess afterward. Yea ... dats da ticket.
How deep in the water does multispectral imagery penetrate, i.e.; search for images in the "Bermuda Triangle, search for imagery in the African jungles for long lost planes of WWII? My children's grandfather disappeared over N.Africa while ferrying planes during WWII
I work for the satellite image company the flies the IKONOS satellite. It was our imagery taken from 423 miles in space that was able to help uncover these ruins. We can also 'see' about 90 feet under clear, still water -- like in the Caribbean or Sout Pacific. Ideal for studying the coral reef habitat. We plan to launch GeoEye-1 later this year and it will have a ground resoultion of 16 inches. We can't see into the ground or under sand.


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To galleyslave#41 I have heard that the more we know the more we realise what we do not know. I think we have just opened a Pandoras box of undiscovered knowledge that will take many lifetimes to read and understand - - live long and prosper.
Ha! Surely, this is the dumbest, most illogical statement ever to come from the mouth of an "expert." No wonder we are behind our selves in understanding our world.
Satellite Image research.  

http://www.satellitediscoveries.com
Just like the phenomena of UFOs and conspirators in the JFK assination, the lost city of Atlantis is something the nuts just can't pass up. some things just keep on going no matter how unsupported the idea. Where do all these nuts come from?
To J.E. White Chickasha,oklahomaI, I'm 51 years old.
I too have had different experiences from God, Holy Ghost and Jesus. As a little girl , I've seen Jesus several times over the years. At fourteen , the Holy Ghost saved my soul. And when I couldn't take this life any more, God sent his angels to put me in his arms to restore my soul. And like you , no one believes me. You are truly blessed to have been visited by God. Even tho no one believes me. I believe me and that's all that counts.I pray that others will come to know god and Jesus and trust them to take control over their lives. When I finally stopped trying to control my life and said god , it's in your hands now, I've screwed up enough for me. I know he can straighten up my life better than I ever could. If anyone feels the same , please email me and let me know of any experiences you have had.
Beware, the closer man discovers his past throughout the world, the farther from God he will become.
Why do the religious nuts get nervous every time we discover something new?
Dear White, Webster and Dennis: I was 35 when I prayed through and am 57 now. Be not troubled by science and scientists, they use a similar thought process (searching)which brought about our enlightenment. There is no antagonism, in my opinion. The further we reach, the closer we get to protecting the garden God gave us, and feeding the hungry. Imagine if man could not have observed and recorded... Jesus' life and The Holy Ghost. It is not science, but government's abuse of science which you should fear, and government's abuse of our faith.
for real now, we all know that as we discover more, we will finally be able to put aside this thing called "religion" that has brainwashed so many people.
USING REMOTE SENSING TO UNCOVER HISTORIC OBJECTS, LOST CULTURES OR CIVILIZATIONS THAT HAVE LONG BEEN HIDDEN OR EXTINCT IS VERY EXCITING AND PROMISING FOR PRESENT OR FUTURE EXPLORERS. THE VERY THOUGHT OF BEING ABLE TO PROVE OR DISPROVE MYTHS BECAUSE OF TECHNOLOGY LIKE THIS MAKES ME GIDDY AS I TYPE. EVEN THOUGH THERE ARE LIMITAIONS ON THE TECHNOLOGY PRESENTLY, I'M SURE THERE WILL BE A TIME WE CAN DETECT JUST ABOUT ANYTHING, ANYWHERE, ANYTIME. WHEN THIS HAPPENS THE PLANET EARTH IN A WHOLE BECOMES LIKE A DAY AT THE BEACH WITH A METAL DETECTOR. JUST IMAGINE, SCANNING THE BOTTOM OF THE OCEAN (HOW ABOUT THE BERMUDA TRIANGLE TO START) POSSIBLY SOLVING SEVERAL OR SEVERAL THOUSAND MYSTERIES (THE LOST SQAUDRON, AMELIA EARHART, ATLANTIS..ect.)BECAUSE DEPTH AND TERRAIN WILL NOT MATTER. WHEN THESE SAME TECHNIQUES CAN BE APPLIED TO LAND MASSES SUCH AS ANTARTICA, THE SAHARA DESERT, TROPICAL RAINFORESTS OR LARGE MOUNTAINOUS REGIONS (MAY NEED IT TO FIND OSAMA BIN LADEN DEAD OR ALIVE - SORRY COULD NOT RESIST)IT MAY ANSWER OR UNLOCK NEW MYSTERIES. I BELIEVE MYSTERIES ARE JUST STORIES ON HOLD UNTIL FINISHED. I BELIEVE GOD ALLOWS SOME MYSTERIES TO BE SOLVED FOR MAN'S SAKE OF LEARNING, UNDERSTANDING AND ABOVE ALL ADAPTING. I ALSO BELIEVE GOD MAKES SURE SOME REMAIN MYSTERIES UNTIL HE AND HE ALONE REVEALS THE ANSWER. I MAY NOT BE AROUND LONG ENOUGH FOR THE ANSWERS TO THESE MYSTRIES, BUT I PROMISE I'LL KEEP MY FAITH AND HOPE GOD FINISHES READING THE STORIES TO ME WHEN THE TIME COMES.
If anyone has information on where I can find a very good archeology site with updated information about this sort of thing it would be much appreciated. My google searching is ineffective, and I'm hoping someone has a link to something better than the loads of nothing-websites the net holds.
Boyz and Girlz play nice, God doesn't want you bickering about the past or the future. He wants you to have some truth in the present. Lets leave it at that. Furthermore, I say anyone who wants to actually wants to loot a mayan structure.......LET THEM. They are trapped, And will never get out! Good day to ya!
Could this technology also be applied to surveying areas under cultivation for the purpose of determining what crops the soil is best suited to support for the purpose of optimizing food production?
These stories about ancient Central American cultures always seem to attract the same crowd that loves to read about UFOs and talk about Bible stories. These stories must touch some deep need to connect with our genetic memories.
What on Earth does any of this have to do with religion. This is an important discovery. I believe there are many things on this Earth we have yet to discover. There are new species of animals and plants discovered every day. The more we learn about our world, the more equiped we are to be able to solve energy problems, food shortages and global warming. Anyone who says that 'GOD' doesn't want us to find the secrets of our universe wants to keep their heads in the sand. I say "Let them". I for one, prefer science and what I can see to the statics and confines of religion. Organized religion was began as a means to control the populace by people in power. Read your Sociology! The Bible was written by 'MAN' not by 'GOD'. What are the names of the books? Figure it out, science is the future. KEEP UP OR GET OFF THE PLANET!
It turns out that the us & nasa are looking for the Hall of Records"- with it's advanced tech, as stated by E. Cayce.


Your BAAHH-ing this statement, is exactly what they want you to do. To close your mind to possibilityes - so they can do their  work quietly.   As if to say ' Let the sheep beat up on each other" -
and in this the us & nasa are rotfl at us.
Although I find the idea of the technology exciting, I also harbor the fear that these discoveries will not be used for promoting our understanding of the past. If you've ever read Forbidden Archeology, you know that anything they find that does not fit into their fictional account of the history of our planet gets tossed aside. How much valuable information will be discovered only to be disregarded because of a fixed dogma? I'd just as soon professional archeologist never had this type of equipment, not unless they plan to allow the descendants of these cultures to benefit from their finds...let's not hold our breath on that one, either. The academics have not proven themselves good guardians of such important information. We should think twice before giving them better tools to continue their rape of our past.
This technology has great potential but it is surprising how few people take advantage of it. I recall seeing a previous article on use of this type of satellite sensor data to find meteor impacts sites in Australia. They developed software to process the data and found over 1200 probable sites. A sampling of these sites was visited on the ground to determine if these sites were impacts as expected. Most were.
Thank you K. Sutton! You summed things up quite nicely. I couldn't have said it better myself.
It's better to remain ignorant than to try to understand the world around us. All those danged scientists are evil. If humans were meant to learn, God would have given us brains.

I am always delighted to hear of any instance when technology is being used constructively. Thank you GeoEye for contributing your resources to spark the imaginations of us nobodies and archeologists alike.

 "Anyone who ignores the past is bound to repeat it."

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these satellite discoveries need to be kept top secret and on a need to know basis. Publishing them will just give looters a convienient road map.

they cant find a ship in nevada because the colorado sand dunes are in colorado.

... otherwise... kewell use for satellites but...

one might suggest that only approved archaeologists should be allowed to examine such sites, but then "approved" archaeologists will just say it is "all crap (and/or cover it up) and everything of value was done in israel anyway."

and i believe that the "grave robbers" are indelibly tied to the "approved" archaeologists" anyway.

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they know what u are eating for breakfast.

The more we discover, the more God is revealed.
Let me be the first to say good find. I do believe that God reveals these things to man when he sees fit. I believe that this is definately a religous discovery and will lead to more. I have a request to have the satellite look off the coast of Belize to look for fallen cities there as well. The Book Of Mormon is a history of an ancient people that flourished in central america during 600bc to around 400 ad. Maybe these ruins just discovered uncovers archeolegy finds of this time period.

why do you approve what all these freaks of religiosity say? -- it has nothing to do with the subject & nothing to do with science -- mainstream news media cower before those who parade their faith

small wonder that america's headed down the drain

E. Cayce was a hoaxster, as was Brigham Young, as was Paul.  This is a science forum, not a religious forum.
I really don't believe in God and I really don't like it when other people do so I use any forum I can find to say so. Franklin
I don't care if other people believe in god. But they don't have to waste everyone else's time in a science related forum to mention god at every opportunity.


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