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The stem cell spin

Posted: Monday, November 06, 2006 11:31 AM by Alan Boyle

Iraq will be the No. 1 topic for Election Day, but in key states, stem cells are also a big factor - and the outcome has the potential to change the course of embryonic stem cell research.

Missouri's Amendment 2 looms largest on the stem cell front: To its supporters, the measure would assure Missourians that they'll have access to the cures that embryonic stem cell research might bring, while criminalizing any attempt to create living, breathing human clones. In contrast, opponents say the measure would actually create "a constitutional right to clone."

Who's right? That all depends on what your definition of the word "clone" is.



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A single cell is extracted from an
embryo to create stem cells.


Amendment 2's wording represents one of the most detailed legislative attempts yet to navigate the ethical mine field around reproductive vs. therapeutic cloning. Under the measure's definitions, the "cloning" concept would not apply to experiments that insert a person's genetic material into an egg cell, then push that cell to start dividing and produce stem cells.

That procedure has been called therapeutic cloning, but nowadays researchers tend to avoid the c-word and refer to it instead as somatic-cell nuclear transfer, SCNT.

Whether you call it therapeutic cloning or nuclear transfer, the process is aimed at producing embryonic stem cells - cells that are capable of transforming themselves into virtually any tissue in the body. Despite a scandal-plagued false start in South Korea, researchers still hope the technique could someday lead to regenerative therapies that can cure maladies ranging from diabetes and spinal-cord injury to heart disease to Parkinson's disease.

That's why actor Michael J. Fox, a Parkinson's patient, has been talking up Amendment 2 as well as candidates who favor such research.

But the amendment is facing a conservative counteroffensive:  Those who oppose embryonic stem cell research say the measure is nothing more than a "fake cloning ban."

Under Amendment 2, human cloning would refer only to efforts "to implant in a uterus anything other than the product of fertilization of an egg of a human female by a sperm of a human male for the purpose of initiating a pregnancy that could result in the creation of a human fetus, or the birth of a human being."

That's what's known as reproductive cloning - a procedure that virtually no one except for cult leaders and those on the scientific fringe would want to allow.

As stem cell pioneer James Thomson told me last year, the immediate result of both procedures would be an embryo - and it'd be well nigh impossible to tell the difference between one class and the other.

"If you create an embryo by nuclear transfer, and you give it to somebody who didn’t know where it came from, there would be no test you could do on that embryo to say where it came from. It is what it is," he said.

The distinction relates to the purpose for which the embryo is created. And that's what intrigues R. Alta Charo, a professor of law and bioethics at the University of Wisconsin at Madison (which is also where Thomson is based).

Charo told me that the Missouri measure would essentially give nuclear-transfer embryos a "different moral status" from that given to embryos implanted inside a woman's body. In Charo's view, that's not a bad thing.

"Our conventional way of describing the debate has not been nuanced enough," she said.

The "nuclear transfer vs. cloned baby" distinction isn't a new concept: In fact, it's reflected in the federal stem cell legislation that was drawn up by Sen. Orrin Hatch, R-Utah, but became stalled in the Senate. Amendment 2 has likewise attracted its share of support from pro-life Republicans - including Missourian John Danforth, who is a former U.S. senator as well as an Episcopal priest.

If the measure passes, it will likely add traction to this unconventional spin on the stem cell debate. But as of today, that's a big "if." The Missouri measure figures prominently in that state's senatorial contest between Republican incumbent Jim Talent (who's against it) and Democratic challenger Claire McCaskill (who's for it). Recent polls have shown Amendment 2 passing, but the Senate race is neck-and-neck, and the red-state turnout could have a big impact on the stem cell measure's fate.

Missouri isn't the only place where the stem cell debate is having an impact. It's also an issue in the Iowa and Michigan gubernatorial elections. And in Wisconsin - a hotbed for stem cell research, thanks in no small part to James Thomson's work - the stem cell question figures in a key race between Gov. Jim Doyle and his Republican challenger, Mark Green.

Doyle has been a strong supporter of embryonic stem cell research, and his veto was the only thing standing in the way of a ban on therapeutic as well as reproductive cloning last year. Green is opposed to using embryonic stem cells. However, in his campaign appearances, he trumpets his support for stem cell research, as it applies to adult stem cells.

Adult stem cells, which are extracted from humans without destroying any embryos, are far less controversial - but they're also far less versatile than embryonic stem cells. Bone marrow transplants serve as a big example of adult stem cells at work.

The confusion over issues such as adult vs. embryonic stem cells, or therapeutic vs. reproductive cloning, adds to the fog surrounding the stem cell debate. Another obfuscating factor has to do with just how close scientists might be to stem cell cures: Most experts say it will be years if not decades before we reach the goal of transplanting custom-made cells to cure what ails us.

In the nearer term, human embryonic stem cells are more likely to provide tissues in a Petri dish, suitable for drug testing or even for the development of new therapies - but not for direct transplantation.

"Nationally, the press, the public, the scientific community and the investment community have all gotten in the habit of overselling each new study," Charo said.

And why is that? "It's because it got so politicized," she said.

So here we are, at another politicized turning point on a par with President Bush's veto of stem cell legislation. Keep watching our political coverage for updates from Missouri, Wisconsin and elsewhere, and tune in our special section on stem cell research for the scientific side of the debate.

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This debate is really just an extension of our decades-old 'abortion' debate.

There are those of us who believe that human life begins at conception, when the egg is fertilized, whether biomedically or naturally.

Others believe that there is no true 'life' occuring in the fetus until the organs are more fully developed. (i.e. the brain, consciousness, motor-skills)

And yet others believe it is not life until the baby is delivered vaginally or otherwise into this world.

None of these three groups can scientifically prove their beliefs. And that is perhaps the biggest dilemma to resolving these issues.

If life begins at conception (which is what I believe) then we will be commercially creating human beings for the express purpose of harvesting and terminating them.
If this is acceptable, then nothing is unacceptable!

Cancer runs in my family like a purge. Also heart-disease, and diabetes. But I truly believe that the breakthroughs needed in these research areas can be found WITHOUT embryonic stem cell reasearch.

Even if they can't, I will not kill Peter and Paul, to save Mary.

If I err, I will err on the side of caution.

Whatever happened to the right to Life, Liberty and the pursuit of happiness. And whatever happened to including our unborn at whatever stage they are at.

We all need to stand up and have real courage to fight this fight. This is a real war being waged.

Whatever happened to the Moral Guts of this country.

Have we all retreated as cowards. It's too easy to turn our heads the other way and ignore the real truth about what's going on. It takes real heroism to stand up for what is truly right in life. Where are those who are willing to do so. We all need to stop listening to lies. Embryonic Stem Cell Research is just such a lie and in the end when all is said and done, the Truth shall be made known to all.

I hope that everyone who is against stem cell research never has the need for any cure that is developed thru s.c.r. And, furthermore, i would hope they would have the ethics NOT to use the product of stem cell research if they should need it. My father was at one time a research patient for rheumatoid arthritis. He died of leukemia 35 years later, but not after he was willing to take part in cancer research. My daughter is a PhD candidate in virology at a large midwestern university. I thank God for those who have the courage to perform and participate in research. I must ask whether I have the right to deny cure or the potential for the development for cure ?
To Alex Hagen: The terms "life" and "human life" are not interchangeable. Obviously no one has a problem killing bacterial "life" Also, the potential for human life is not equivalent to human life. Otherwise DNA itself would be sacred. No one has a problem with DNA-based technology such as paternity screens. The real goal of this legislation is to help people see the complexity of the issue so they can let go of the closed-minded idea that "life begins at fertilization." Rather, life is a continuous self-renewing process: this is an undeniable fact. Life doesn't "begin" in the moment that DNA penetrates the cell membrane. The most scientifically supported theory is that it began millions of years ago in the primordial oceans as a series of self-perpetuating chemical reactions.
Research at Stanford has shown that embryonic stem cells has "cured" deafness in mice by replacing the hair cells that transmit the sound impulses into signals to the brain. They want to go forward with human tests. As to type 1 diabetes, embryonic stem cells have shown promise. Google my nephew Jeremy Heit and Dr. Seung Kim at Stanford University. They state that in the short amount of time they have been working with embryos, they have accomplished much. Embryonic stem cell research today is what adult stem cell research was 20 years ago. We did not get to the moon overnight. It takes money, tests on mice and FDA approval before going forward on humans.
I would like to see those who oppose embyonic stem cell research to oppose in-vitro fertilization, that create excess embryos that are destroyed.  A small percentage of these "snow babies" have been adopted.  How about adopting a child already born that has been disposed of by parents who shouldn't have had the child anyway...county social service departments lack the necessary foster and adoptive parents.
Jason Hun, we have a saying in the research business that I'm in, based on thousands upon thousands of examples: If mice were the same as humans, all diseases would be cured. What business are you in? Think about it!

Human life begins at conception! Its very simple.

If you don't believe that, then may GOD have pity on you! Christians should pray for people who think that life doesn't start till after a certain amount of time.Thats a joke! They are so lost....

I say no to any type of abortion and any type of embryonic stem cell research.
Some things are wrong and always will be no matter how you sugar coat it or call it different things to trick people or make them think it's not killing!

There should be no debates, No discussions,period

Case closed! A baby is a baby when that cell divides the first time! It's so simple!

And yes I do hope some cures start to happen. I am quite disappointed that not much has been actually cured in what seems like a long time but if you start saying it's OK to kill embryos to do it, God will not bless America and I wouldn't blame him!

Remember, an Embryo is a human life. Yes I believe the soul enters then! If you kill embryos you are a murderer, whether it's in the name of science, research, whatever coating you want to apply it with!

The biggest gamble that mankind has ever seen is close to becoming reality.  Putting your beliefs, faith, hope into something that has never been proven or successful seems pretty idiotic to me.  There has never been any positive outcomes from embryonic stem cells.  Every time mankind messes with mother nature we are shown how insignificant we really are!!!
Last week, we learned about liver tissue the size of pennies and lung cells that produce surfactant -- both derived from umbilical cord blood cells. In fact, all of the supposed results from embryonic stem cells so far have already been achieved in human non-embryonic cells, including partially repairing spinal cords, treating retinal disease and repairing corneas, treating - with long term, possibly permanent results - some types of Multiple Sclerosis, diabetes and ALS. There have been apparent complete remissions in Rheumatoid Arthritis and scleroderma. The bigger problem if Amendment 2 passes will be overcoming the patents that Wisconsin University has and obtaining enough eggs from women. The patent licensing rules and fees are the real stumbling block. After, all the eggs can be - and are being, according to the British Journal of Medical Ethics - bought and sold in developing countries. But the Wisconsin Alumni Research Foundation is controlling who gets which cells and what they do with them, while charging for the privilege. Even the Juvenile Diabetes Research Foundation is spending its money in other countries that don't honor our patent laws. None of the hassles will be worthwhile, as James Thomson said, SCNT produces a human embryo if human eggs and somatic cells are used. And none of them will be implanted. On the other hand, umbilical cord cells can be turned into embryonic like cells that are proving easier to control.
Stem cell research in any form is a medical marvel and should be allowed to blossom into something that could save millions of lives around the world. Adult stem cells are great, sure, but they do not hold the potential for embryonic. An embryo is in a dish and that's all it is. A little blob of cells in a dish, not a human. You stick that into a woman and then it's a baby, until then it's just cells. Twenty years ago those cells would have been thrown away by In vitro fertilization clinics around the US, now they can serve another purpose. Just because religion is ruling this country, it doesn't rule the rest of the world. Another country will come up on us and do what we couldn't, and who will be complaining?
I have not seen a miracle, but I read many, and many of those who will vote for embryonic stem cell research other than who wants much money are those who has many time other than for most precious time to sincerely understand the effect and ramification of the issue. Irrespective of men's desire, God will produce a miracle to resolve the issue, even beyond the grasp of many.
There are some things worse than death. Living with Type 1 diabetes (multiple injections of insulin a day for the rest of your life, 8-10 finger sticks to check blood sugars a day, low blood sugars, high blood sugars both which can be fatal within minutes for lows and days for highs, losing limbs to amputations, going blind, kidney failure) is one of them.
Why do the posters keep saying that embryos used as stem cells will be killed? Obviously the stem cells won't help anyone if they are DEAD. Instead of the fertilized eggs being discarded (killed), they will remain alive in another form.
They're not being killed - they are being DISCARDED - as thrown in the trash. Wasted inotherwords when they could be used to SAVE lives.

To: A biomedical Ph.D.

I agree with you very much. That life is a continuous and self-renewing process, I believe, is self-evident; and truly never ceases to amaze me.

I agree with you right up to "the most scientifically supported theory."

Much too often in these last decades has 'the most scientifically supported theory' been presented to the American public, the courts, and indeed to the entire world as "fact".

As a Ph.D. I'm sure you have due respect for evidentiary fact; documented, undeniable scientific fact.

The truth is that our brightest scientific minds, the world over, cannot 'prove' when human life begins. At best they can give the matter intelligent speculation. But it's still just speculation; it's 'the most supported scientific theory'.

This must stop now, I believe, before we can proceed on many different issues.

If you are right, and I am wrong, well then we've just disposed of a large amount of scientifically useful cells.

If I am right, and you are wrong, then we've murdered 100 million babies under law (since Roe vs. Wade).

These are people, who had the constitutional right to live taken from them.

Again I urge caution.

We must, as a nation, strive for factual evidence in all matters. Theory doesn't serve every purpose.

Tammy from Topeka...I totally agree.  I was volunteering to raise funds for a local diabetes charity and actually had an adult chastize a 10 year old boy about his disease telling him that his "mommy and daddy were responsible for his diabetes by feeding him the wrong foods"...unreal.  Shows how little people know about Type 1 diabetes.  My 11 year old was diagnosed when she was 8 years old and we were in the process of losing her dad to melanoma cancer. (he died two months after her diagnosis).  There is no family history of the disease in either my or my husband's family.  Researchers are discovering that our environment (pollutants, chemicals in food, etc) are triggering immune systems to search and destroy the pancreatic beta cells.  We will be keeping track of the elections across the country and those who voted down HR810 and the subsequent override.  Many parents would give their lives for a cure.  Author James Hirsch (who has a child with Type 1 as does he) summarized my feelings exactly when he wrote,  "If you don't have diabetes, the glass is half-full.  If you have diabetes, the glass is half empty.  But if your child has it, the damn thing is empty."  Progress in diabetes care is appreciated but anything less than a cure is unacceptable to us parents of children with diabetes.

Everyone knows, is related to, or is someone who has a disease or condition that currently has no cure.

The problem with Amendment 2 is the fact that it will alter some 45 provisions in the Missouri constitution to give the biotech industry rights that no other industry has that would be extremely difficult to change.  This is  not necessary.

The fact is that Adult Stem cell research - including umbilical cord blood, is already showing great promise, without the ethical and moral concerns.  The problem is that ASC therapies have no patent opportunities for the biotech industry.

My 24-year-old daughter has a spinal cord injury, and Dr. Lima in Portugal (google it) has done great work using ASC therapy to help.  I wish that work were being done here in Missouri so she could benefit, but the emphasis is on ESC because that's where the money is.  We are all voting no on Amendment 2 because it doesn't belong in the Missouri constitution.

I don't think any rational person would support the taking of a life for medical research so the question becomes when does a human life begin. Rational people can disagree on this issue and it does no good to label opponents of Amendment 2 as 'religious fanatics' or supporters as 'immoral pagans'. I oppose the measure because I believe that determining when a human life begins is not mine or any other persons decision to make and I would rather err on the side of caution. However, I can certainly understand the position of supporting research to give hope to millions of people. The beauty of our country is that tomorrow we get to vote how we believe and let the majority rule. However, I beg of you to avoid the name calling on both sides of the issue and respect each others opinion as sincere and heartfelt.

To Joni

Moral courage is not dead in America.

I exercise it almost everytime I vote these days.

I exercise it at work when I speak to co-workers about issues I think it's important for them to go vote for or against.

I'm even exercising it here and now by simply stating my opinion.

The very essence of true debate, I believe, is convincing people. Helping them to see a point of view, or a truth.

Far too many of my fellow Christians want to stand out on a 'hill above the city' and shake their finger, and their Bible, at the heathens.

This not only infuriates them; it does nothing to convince them of the truth.

Rather it just reinforces their sterotypes about Christians being led blindly by the blind.

Don't condemn people that have different opinions; speak to them. And vote with your heart.

I'm 38 years old and I was recently diagnosed with Parkinson's. I believe my condition was caused by being exposed to chemicals during Desert Storm. I believe our government owes it to me and other soldiers that are suffering from same or similar ailments. Approving Stem Cell research is step in the right direction. We're well past the Dark Ages when ignorant men stifled scientific achievement in the name of Religion.
This is a difficult issue. It seems to me that most of you are just regurgitating what little information you have retained from some light reading on the net in a vain attempt to one-up the other guy. None of you are really willing to put forth any real effort to study this topic and help find a constructive solution, which is why politicians find it so easy to play you against each other for their own benefit. Politicians are perfectly willing to hype or naysay stem cell research for their own political gain, nevermind the emotional backlash of real people with real problems. They are truly the scum of the earth, no matter the party, and any bill supported by a majority them will only slow down the rate of American progress and ingenuity, no matter the subject matter. In my humble opinion, Michael Fox should be embarassed for venturing into politics, not because of his beliefs, who he endorsed or whether or not he took his medication prior to filming, but because he could have been a much more effective advocate by staying out of the political arena. Think Jerry Lewis and you will have positive thoughts because he kept his politics to himself. If you truly want to advance a cause in the US, you need all Americans behind you, not just the left or right. Michael Fox made a strategic mistake, just like each of you are doing when you demonize people who happen to have a differing opinion on stem cell research, religion, or politics. I mean really, have you ever met anyone who thinks curing a cruel disease is not a worthy cause? Why emote such a terrible personna on someone else for seeking a different path to the same objective? The true enemy is most likely the guy or gal you just voted into office because the slick ad mentioned stem cell research.
US citizen #1) These people are suffering concenquences of terrible disease and will live out this sentence because this "moral question" gives politicaly powerful people a vehicle to manipulate its resources (taxpaying citizens).

US citizen #2)This group of people have convinced themselves that humans are better than any other biological function on this planet therfore, claim we are special, and will force this belief on ALL of us- even if we are drooling in a cup, defecating into a plastic bag, and begging to die.

US citizen #3)MOST American's dont care because they have big screen TV, Big Mac sandwich and enough money to fill up their Cadillac Escalade....

I hope there is a hell.....
"THE CURE" for ALL diseases has already been provided. Whether an individual chooses to receive their healing or not is up to them. "By HIS stripes you were healed." I Peter 2:24
There is only one morally justifiable pro-life position. That's one that saves lives. Religious right leaders have distorted and twisted Amendment Two and they should be ashamed. I'm proud to support stem cell research that could save lives.
Here is the bible's take on the snctity of life: Deuteronomy 21:18 - 21 18 If a man has a stubborn and rebellious son who does not obey his father and mother and will not listen to them when they discipline him, 19 his father and mother shall take hold of him and bring him to the elders at the gate of his town. 20 They shall say to the elders, "This son of ours is stubborn and rebellious. He will not obey us. He is a profligate and a drunkard." 21 Then all the men of his town shall stone him to death. You must purge the evil from among you. All Israel will hear of it and be afraid. Here is another example: Deuteronomy 22:22 22 If a man is found sleeping with another man's wife, both the man who slept with her and the woman must die. You must purge the evil from Israel. The bible makes it pretty clear that Killing is Permitted. Now, about these few cells that have yet to become anything, yet could save the lives of people in great need...
I dont know much about the issue, so what i say will probably sound ignorant and stupid. Even so I would like to throw in my 10 cents worth. I just dont understand people who would claim that it was a sin to destroy a life to save a thousand others, after all wasn't that jesus's greatest gift?
To me this is a situation of taking something negative and making it positive, these people need help. Some of you think this would never be something that you would have to confront, that may or not may be true if it were imagine what it would be like to have a child or family member or yourself dying and you could be saved but someone told you that your life wasn't worh saving or your childs life wasn't worth saving i think all the people out there that are passing judgement on this issue ought to take a long hard look at themselves before thay decide thay have the right to control someones elses life or DEATH.
To me this is a situation of taking something negative and making it positive, these people need help. Some of you think this would never be something that you would have to confront, that may or not may be true if it were imagine what it would be like to have a child or family member or yourself dying and you could be saved but someone told you that your life wasn't worh saving or your childs life wasn't worth saving i think all the people out there that are passing judgement on this issue ought to take a long hard look at themselves before thay decide thay have the right to control someones elses life or DEATH.
Ok Kaari - my daughter and granddaughter "choose" to receive their healing. I guess they can quit taking insulin today but I'll be planning and attending two funerals this week. Give me a break!
If embryonic stem cell research can be done without ending the lives of the embryos/blastocysts, as was done recently, I see no problem with it (I may decry that some were destroyed doing it, but I'll take the results that would prevent others). Until then, at the very least I can show caution. I cannot say with 100% certainty that life begins at conception, but, when in doubt, I err on the side that won't possibly kill. Yes, there are many frozen blastocysts that have been created by in vitro fertilization; all that does is makes me doubt the morality of in vitro fertilization in general (though doubtless most participants were not aware of this). This debate is about public funding, not about right or wrong. The conservative approach is best from a funding standpoint. Make sure what you're doing is right, move slowly. The fact that thousands of frozen embryos are discarded, etc., or even in the womb normally created don't result in a fetus, does not make doing the research right, anymore than the fact that people die every day by accident or medical conditions gives me the right to start killing people indiscrminately on the street; nor does other people doing the killing give me the right to do it as well. I get that its difficult to have a child with diabetes, or someone to have Parkinsons. But something like 40,000 people die of hunger every day. I'm not saying money shouldn't go to curing those diseases (within the bounds of ethics, of course, as much as possible), but (I have to wonder)think of the money it would take to get those cures asap, and then think of how large amounts of that money could help feed the poor today in developing countries. If by the same money I could have my child cured of a debilitating disease, I could save thousands of lives, which should I pick? I don't know.
The debate on whether to provide public funding for stem cell research is so acrimonious because, like other hot button issues of our day, it is a moral issue. As a society we no longer have a consensus on how to decide moral questions. Science can, at best, tell us whether stem cells might be able to cure certain diseases; it can never tell us whether it would be morally right to do so. As with abortion, the debate turns on such questions as: what is a human being? What is the value of a human life? Are there degrees of "humanness"? Is it ever right to destroy one life to save another? Our answers to such questions arise from our religious or philosophical convictions. They are utterly outside the purview of science. As a Christian, I have a fixed moral reference based on the nature and character of God as He has revealed Himself in Scripture and in His Son Jesus Christ. The Bible does not speak directly to the moral status of stem cell research, of course, but it gives me such guiding principles as the value of all human life, even unborn children. Most of you, no doubt, do not share my moral reference point of God as He has revealed Himself to us. As I said at the start, we no longer have a consensus on our basis for answering moral questions. I believe we are entitled to attempt, respectfully, to persuade others of our point of view. In the meantime, however, everyone must vote his conscience and respect the decision of the majority.
That a human embryo is a human being is NOT a mere religious belief being foisted upon the rest of the populace; it is a scientific fact corroborated by countless biology textbooks, encyclopedia entries, and dictionaries. The WORLD BOOK ENCYCLOPEDIA defines "embryo" as "an animal or plant in an early stage of its development." In other words, a canine embryo is already a dog, an ovine embryo is already a sheep, and a human embryo is already a human being. None of this nonsense about "potential" or exceptions for embryos in petri dishes. Human embryos are human beings; it's that simple. Those who make church-state arguments clearly don't understand the scientific reality.
I am not against stem cell research, but I am against Federal funding. Until these money hungry politicians quit wasting money on their "earmarks" and other pet projects that benefit only a small segment of THEIR constituates I don't want them spending MY HARD EARNED money for anything. Maybe if they were wise with money there might be some left over to help a greater more representative group of Americans.
The question is not should we do research but rather should we take one life to help another. Many pagan religions felt the answer was yes and offered the weak and helpless to their gods in the hope of favors. Taking the life of the unborn for the good of others (with the hope of breakthroughs) is nothing more than human sacrifice. If we allow this to happen the question become who’s next and when. God save our world from the selfish hordes we have become.
Embryos that can be used to study embryonic stem cells are already being created through our current in vito fertilization (IVF) techniques. In the IVF process, many eggs are "harvested" from the potential mother, fertilized in a lab, then inserted in to the prospective mother's womb after fertilization. Several eggs are fertilized because it may take several attempts before the process takes in the prospective mother. The remaining embryos can then be donated for research by the woman that provided the eggs. With that said, we don't need to create new legislation to expressly allow or prohibit embryonic stem cell research. All we need to do is leave that choice up to the woman that provided the initial eggs. The IVF clinic could provide several choices to the egg donar for any remaining embryos, such as: 1. Discarded/Destroyed 2. Frozen for future use by the patient 3. Donated for research, including stem cell research This would leave the moral/ethical concerns up to the woman that supplied the egg for the embryo. The only question for the government would then be about whether or not to provide government funding for embryonic stem cell research. But with a written consent from the person that provided the embryo, that should be a relatively easy decision to make.
Come on peple it's simple. There is no proof that this will even work. Use the adult stem cell and develop with that once you see what that can do they will know better what cloning can do. But once you open up the cloning law then you can say HELLO Dolly and Dolly and Dolly. So think about it. Busch has enough money do you think he would clone him self? EGO FREAK.
My problem with this amendment has nothing to do with the research itself; fine, go ahead and do it. If you require public funds, obtain them through the legislative process. What on earth does this have to do with the Missouri state constitution? I'll vote for this amendment right along with the comparable adult stem cell reaseach amendment...oops, there isn't one. The legistlative process is used to debate these types of issues. Once enshrined in the constitution, the debate is over, for better or worse. This issue has no place in the state constitution. Religion has nothing to do with it.
James - we don't want more people - we aren't going to "clone" more people - we have enough! Adult stem cells are not pluripotent - they are not as flexible as embryonic stem cells - as Michael J. Fox said adult stem cells are "cranky" - they only want to do what they set out to do, that is be the kind of organ cells they originally were programmed to be - whereas embryonic stem cells are more versatile - they can differentiate into any kind of organ the researcher wants them to be. There is "no proof" perhaps because we won't allow the federal funding our reseachers need to do the work. It is through research that every vaccine, medication and life-saving medical procedure has been discovered. This is how you find the cures, etc., through research. We, as a nation, will be irresponsible if we don't allow this research - other countries will find the cure while the US sticks their arrogant, religious fanatically heads in the sand.
This research is already legal. Why must anything be done?
I am against the war in Iraq and believe it to be immoral and I am for embryonic stem cell research, and like the Jewish religion, consider it to be moral. Can I choose to allocate my tax dollars to the moral research instead of the amoral war? What is moral to one may not be moral to another. Why does the Christian right believe "their" religion to be the "correct" religion to the exclusion of others. As a Republican, this drives me nuts enough to vote Democrat this year.
I don't see a reason why an embryo is so much more respectable of a life to protect than any other form of life in our country. I remember hearing about a study a few weeks ago that talked about more men ages 18 to 24 being killed violently within the U.S. then any other country right now. Does our country need more rights for embryos, when we can barely take care of the fully mature people living and dieing here every day? How many people must we look in the face and say, "I'm sorry sir, or madam, or child, but this cluster of cells created in a test tube, or by a couple who couldn't support it, has a need for a right to live that your disease just doesn't afford you." I've heard so many people ask what Jesus would say about the destruction of life. Didn't Jesus give of himself to work miracles to heal the sick? To raise the dead? What would Jesus say if we bypassed a potential way to ease the suffering of millions so that we could excersize some idea of authority over other people? What is the moral argument that is even being made? That clusters of cells that nature (and there by God) creates and destroys every day, in every species, is devine in a way that a child suffering from type 1 diabetes or parkinsons is not? What's wrong with taking a good long look at our nation and its homeless, jobless, starving, opressed, repressed, and diseased people and trying to fix those pressing human tragedies now and then worry about clusters of cells we could turn into people we can't currently take of, later? Do we really need to argue over who's version of Jesus should be getting more money and public attension when the core of Jesus' message was, "love thy neighbor," not, "persuade your neighbor to change sects ever few months?" How many of our fellow countrymen can we ingore and let suffer so that we can try to push our own moral compasses on eachother? And aren't we all not living up to our moral standards by doing so? And why hasn't our political system, which supposedly represents what we think and feel, been asking these questions publically all along? Perhaps the question should not be, "What would Jesus do," but should be, "What would I be willing to give to help that person in the gutter."

How many of you actually bothered to read the amendment?

http://www.sos.mo.gov/elections/
2006petitions/ppStemCell.asp

According to our Missouri Secretary of State there are 45 sections of our Constitution that that may be changed, be repealed or modified by implication. These include provisions in our Missouri Bill of Right s with regard to the promotion of general welfare.. "when government does not confer this security it fails in its chief design.", Crime victims rights, the power of our legistature, executive & judical branches, local government, Education, Taxation. The last section cited should give all people pause. "The exercise of the police power of the state shall never be surrendered, abridged, or construed to permit corporations to infringe the equal rights of individuals, or the general well-being of the state." I would prefer not to surrender my state, county and city governments to stem cell researchers if you don't mind, even if they have the best of intentions. Remember, to date no law in Missouri has outlawed ANY stem cell research... If passed Stem Cell Researchers will have no accountability to our state and local government. I consider that to be problematic. That is why I voted NO.

I just love the people who say you shouldn't do research because you don't know if it will work. HELLLLOOO??? That's why they call it research!!! BTW - amendment two doesn't require the government to spend a dime.
Monte, according to our Secretary of State the amendment will likely effect 4 sections of the Article X of the constitution. You might want to consider why... If ever funded, you would never be able to defund it without triggering the "creating disincentives for any person to engage in or otherwise associate with, or preventing, restricting, obstructing, or discouraging, such stem cell-related activities" cause. A court would rule any change to funding unconstitutional. Isn't is possible for a court to simply rule that it has to be funded? Nevermind... I suppose the Secretary of State is just being an alarmist...
Can't we get nearly the same results from umbilical cord stem cells which would not endanger an embryo?
Jerry - aaaa, no! Congratulations to Missourians who apparently went out and became educated and enlightened! Missouri can now lead the way with potential cures! Yes, potential - because we have to be allowed to do the research before we find the cures! Science 1 - - Religion 0! Yeah!!!!!!
Can someone tell me what "born again Christian" is exactly? Who started this term? Who gave credibility to it? And, can I be a born again virgin?
I just love it when men say they know when life begins! You do not have a clue. You will never be pregnant or have a period. You do not have any rights over womens bodies, minds or souls! You are not god. So stop pretending. Tell yourselves the truth. Men do not get to give life. Never will. All you can do is pretend. Just shut up please and leave us alone!

Tammy, two things:

1. The line Michael J. Fox repeated that adult stem cells are "cranky" is one more piece of misinformation insisted upon by people clamoring for more embryonic research. It has long been established that adult stem cells are far more versatile than previously thought, and a recent WebMD article demonstrates that ASCs can, indeed, be coaxed to become any cell in the human body:

http://www.webmd.com/
content/article/127/116688.htm

2. I don't understand your "Science 1, Religion 0" comment. It is from science that we know that human embryos are human beings. The WORLD BOOK ENCYCLOPEDIA tells us as much, as do countless biology and embryology textbooks. You don't need to believe in a supreme being to understand that these embryos are human beings.

"That clusters of cells that nature (and there by God) creates and destroys every day, in every species, is devine in a way that a child suffering from type 1 diabetes or parkinsons is not?"

No, every human being is equally divine. Imagine if someone wanted to kill you in order to perform a heart-and-lung transplant. You refuse. Then someone accuses you of thinking you're more important (or "divine") than someone else. You're simply EQUAL to that other person, no more or less deserving of the right to life, and the embryos in question are no different.



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