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Pluto gone? Not so fast!

Posted: Thursday, August 31, 2006 3:20 PM by Alan Boyle

In the wake of Pluto's demotion from the roll of solar system planets, astronomers are pointing out that a lot of the nitty-gritty details still need to be worked out - and that the plucky erstwhile planet shouldn't be counted out quite yet. Just wait until 2009!

Here's today's statement from the American Astronomical Society's Division of Planetary Sciences:

"Some questions have arisen over the recent International Astronomical Union (IAU) resolutions that defined three categories of bodies in the solar system: planets, dwarf planets, and small solar system bodies. These concerns are not surprising, given the long and difficult history of efforts to reach agreement on just what a planet is, and the unwillingness of nature to be categorized into neat compartments.

"The Division for Planetary Sciences (DPS) of the American Astronomical Society (AAS) recognizes the authority of the IAU to render a decision, and notes that it had considerable input by DPS members in the process.

"However, it is also mindful of the fact that future refinements of this definition will almost certainly be desired. All definitions have a degree of fuzziness that requires intelligent application: what does 'round' really mean? What does it mean to 'control a zone'? These are technical issues to be addressed by Division III of the IAU, currently chaired by Ted Bowell, a fellow DPS member. There is still work to be done, too, in constructing a definition that is generally applicable to extrasolar planetary systems. These and other changes, radical or moderate, presumably will be addressed at the next IAU General Assembly in Rio de Janeiro in 2009, and the DPS community will continue to be involved in all stages of this process.

"Ultimately, the definition of a planet will come through common usage and scientific utility. There is no need to throw away current school texts; Pluto has not gone away.  We will continue to explore Pluto and the other objects orbiting beyond Neptune with telescopic observations and spacecraft missions to obtain a fundamental understanding of their place in our solar system.

"The DPS is the largest international professional organization of planetary scientists with approximately 1,300 members of which about 30 percent are from non-US countries."

While you're waiting for the final answer, take a walk on the lighter side of Pluto: Check out this cartoon roundup and Jason Kottke's list of new planetary memory aids.

Update for 10:10 p.m. ET: Hoo boy, the Pluto protest movement is growing. Space.com's Robert Roy Britt rounds up the resistance in this article and this blog posting. Late today, a fresh wave of criticism came to light from the Center for Space Exploration Policy Research and the Planetary Science Institute. Here's their news release:

"On August 24, a session of the International Astronomical Union (IAU) General Assembly in Prague passed a resolution re-defining the planets of our solar system. Only 428 of the IAU’s nearly 10,000 members were involved in the vote. A proposal crafted over the previous year by the IAU Planet Definition Committee would have expanded the number of objects designated as planets in the solar system to 12, with the potential for additions in the future. At the assembly, however, the proposal was modified over the course of several days to define the term with the intent of excluding all but the eight largest planets.

"Neither definition was subjected to critical review by the broader planetary science community prior to the assembly.

"As part of its role to examine the nature of scientific authority, the Center for Space Exploration Policy Research (CSEPR) is considering the role of the IAU and its findings, as well as a petition to reevaluate the principles for planet definition.

"Just after the August 24 vote, members of the space science community pointed out serious technical and pedagogical flaws in the IAU’s definition of planets. As a consequence, a grass-roots petition was posted, stating:

"'We, as planetary scientists and astronomers, do not agree with the IAU’s definition of a planet, nor will we use it. A better definition is needed.'

"The statement was placed on the Web at http://www.ipetitions.com/petition/planetprotest and circulated by e-mail to a small fraction of the world’s astronomical research community.

"In less than five days, the petition was signed by 300 professional planetary scientists and astronomers. The list of signatories (posted at the Web site above) includes researchers who have studied every kind of planet in the solar system, as well as asteroids, comets, the Kuiper Belt and planetary interactions with the space environment. Many have been involved in the robotic exploration of the solar system from some of the earliest missions to Cassini-Huygens, missions to Mars, and ongoing missions to the innermost and outermost reaches of our solar system.

"Others are leading missions that are preparing for launch. The petition list includes prominent experts in the field of planet formation and evolution, planetary atmospheres, planetary surfaces and interiors, as well as international prize-winning researchers.

"'This petition gives substantial weight to the argument that the IAU definition of planet does not meet fundamental scientific standards and should be set aside,' states petition organizer Dr. Mark Sykes, director of the Planetary Science Institute in Tucson, Ariz. 'A more open process, involving a broader cross section of the community engaged in planetary studies of our own solar system and others, should be undertaken.'

"'I believe more planetary experts signed the petition than were involved in the vote on the IAU’s petition,' adds co-sponsor Dr. Alan Stern, executive director of the Space Science and Engineering Division at Southwest Research Institute. 'From the number of signatories that the petition received in a few days, it’s clear that there is significant unhappiness among scientists with the IAU’s planet definition, and that it will not be universally adopted by scientists and textbook writers.'

"'A key public policy question is who has the social mandate to alter the definition of something as fundamental as a planet,' says Dr. Mark Bullock, director of the CSEPR. 'Scientists have in the past vested the IAU with authority to name asteroids and other planetary objects. However, the word "planet" has cultural, historical, and social meaning and as such requires much broader discussion and consensus than those required for the naming of astronomical bodies.'

"The CSEPR is currently examining the nature of scientific authority, and its use and misuse in issues of fundamental concern to the public. The scientific and cultural value of the definition of planets, both within and outside our solar system, is of utmost significance. Accordingly, continues Stern, 'To achieve a good planet definition that achieves scientific consensus will require more work.'"

It should be noted that Stern is the principal scientific investigator for NASA's New Horizons mission, which was launched toward Pluto earlier this year. Sykes is a co-investigator for NASA's occasionally endangered Dawn mission - which will target another "dwarf planet," the asteroid Ceres. Bullock's specialty is planetary atmospheres, particularly on Venus and Mars.

So is this a time to "teach the controversy"?

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As far as I'm concerned,Pluto is a planet and that's final!
Pluto IS a planet! It obits the sun, HELLO!
Of course, Pluto is a planet.  All the dwarf planets are planets.  Are dwarf humans not classified as human?  What is the difference.
Why was Mercury not demoted also? It does not 'clear a path -the sun does that for it. It is approximately the same size as Pluto. Also Pluto has a moon which should make it a planet by definition.
A planet by any other name still orbits the sun. It looks and sounds like an argument to determine status among astronomers.Taxonomic arguements are only useful if they lead to better understanding of the phenomenon that is being labeled. Does this definition expand our ability to describe our solar system? I think it needs more work.
If we call Pluto a planet, why not Ceres?  Why not all the rubble floating around with Ceres?

If we do call it a planet, we should consider it a binary system with Charon.

Pluto should not be considered a planet for two reasons:

1) its orbit takes it well outside the ecliptic, and
2) its orbit takes it inside the orbit of another planet.

Ah, the logic of it all!

Don't worry folks, soon enough you will be concerned with climate change, trying to get out of Iraq, a recession, electing a president with a measurable IQ and all manner of other problems.

May you have an interesting life!
I can't see whats the BIG DEAL Pluto is a planet. When It was discovered it was classified as a planet, now with the advancement of technology we can see beyond Pluto and discovered other "Planets" so to speak what if another 100 yrs down the road they find somrthing else much bigger than the 9 we know, whats going to become of us on Earth.....*sigh*
Not to mention that for all these years, we were taught about the solar system, and Pluto was part of that.  Now books have to be changed, models in hobby stores have to be changed, teachings, tests, where does it end?  What is next, that that a PB and J is not really a sandwich?
This is a silly debate; either we need to accept Pluto AND all of the other similar (or larger) sized Kuiper Belt Objects that will eventually be discovered as "Planets" - or just the major bodies of the solar system (possibly including Pluto and any new discoveries large enough to count).

Honestly I don't see a need to dub every roundish ball we discover as a "Planet", which would require constant revisions of too many reference materials and text books - as well as making any sort of "how many planets are there" sort of trivia questions completely irrelevant, as the answer may change from day to day, so nobody could expect to know the answer unless they had access to the "official" count of the day.

The only reason that many people want to "save Pluto" is because they've been brought up thinking of that little planet as the "Last Planet Found", and so almost on a desire for familiarity in these constantly changing days, they try to plant their foot down where it doesn't really make any sense to do so.

Sure, I agree that pluto is a planet or minor planet, but not a "Planet" - anything that is smaller than our own moon Luna shouldn't be considered a "Planet" in anybody's definition. Scientists normally categorize objects and discoveries in ways that seem to make the most sense, by grouping together objects that either share physical traits, historical relevance or some other logically derived set of groups; however on this planet naming debate, it's really come down to the rational scientists versus those who act as if you've stolen their "blankie".

Don't feel so hurt that Pluto won't be a "Planet" (a typmpani booms in the background), it's still a minor planet of some sort - and it was the first Kuiper Belt Object to be discovered, so it still does have a very major claim to fame the Plutophiles can fall back on.

As each new major or minor body is categorized, it should be placed into the _appropriate_ category, and not some preconceived notion of what category it is supposed to go in, simply because one was raised to believe that.

If we start dubbing as "Planets" each and every new KBO or sizable moon discovered, we're just taking the neat orderly piles and stirring it into a mishmash that even a professional cannot make heads or tails of.

I really think that "Planet" needs to be the classic ones, and possibly Pluto (or a new discovery worth using the title), but all of the new discoveries that we find so far out in the Kuiper Belt or on oddly inclined orbits that are not in the "warm zone" of the sun cannot compare. They do need to be added to the atlas of the solar system, but put them in their correct slot... tiny blobs way way WAY! out there compared to Earth's 1 AU orbit don't go in the same slot as we do.

These far out minor bodies will eventually be a great source of water, precious metals, industrial materials and other resources as humanity eventually begins to colonize the solar system and mine them. Despite being great sources of materials, these minor bodies also should not fit into the same category as Mars, a world that we will eventually colonize and terraform unless we kill ourselves off in the meantime.

So instead of wasting so much time fighting over something as silly as this, we could actually be convincing our President that, yes the People are worried about the environment more than Osama bin Laden... Osama is just a man, but we only have one Earth. If we kill it off before we get off it, what does it matter what we called Pluto.
Pluto is a large Kuiper Belt Object and nothing more. It is only a planet in the sense that it orbits the sun, but the difference between it and objects like it and the next smallest major Solar System body -- Mercury -- is vast enough to justify the demotion. The IAU's only fault in the new definition was in phrasing it badly, referring to a planet's dominant gravitational influence as "clearing its orbital neighborhood."

Let go of an astronomy which is controlled by stagnation and nostalgia. Admitting Pluto as a planet opens the floodgates to messier categorization and poor semantics. Relegating it to the position of planetoid means a simpler solar system, without disregarding its status as the first of the large KBOs discovered by a human.

These arguments that "Pluto is a planet because that's how I learned it," or worse, "Pluto is a planet and I'm not changing my mind" are simple appeals to sentimentality without scientific basis, and should be ignored. Otherwise we would still believe Ptolemy's geocentric model of the universe.
Pluto has been a planet since 1930, 76 years.  The reasons for
the demotion for Pluto is just plain wrong.  There are no good reasons, Pluto has a moon, and it does not matter if Pluto does not rotate in a perfect circle around the sun or not.  Put Pluto back as a planet.  This heavenly body or group of people, who demoted Pluto should not be give such power to demote a planet.  Who gave them the power any way to demote our most loved far way plant Pluto.  Let's wake up, this does not mean anything, we the people did not give them the power.  The power lies in the people, so we will just make note of what they have said about Pluto, but it is not the law. Pluto is a full planet for 76 long years now. [...] Keeping Pluto a planet is the right answer!  
I believe science is guided by universal principles which dont just change like that.This may confuse us and our future generations since it now looks like the demotion of pluto was based on the changing definition of what a planet is.I hope the committee was not shifting goal posts and if the same will apply to other fields of science, then everything will change and there will be total confusion.
Man, I can't beleive that we are even wasting our time on this.  I would much rather the time and effort be spent on figuring out a better way into space.  Let's face it, util we can go out and touch Pluto, it doesn't really mater what you call it.
now, now after so many years, we are excluding pluto from our solar system and trying to define what a planet is. it has an elliptical orbit, but then again i think we should keep it as a planet until further study. it's a pain to continue and argue, does t affect us that much?

well that's just a few thoughts, call it what you want and end this dilema
i don't think you should take pluto off!!! it is the last planet!!!! if you had a baby would you call it a dwarf human????
Sentimentality and nostalgia is a very real and common human emotion but sometimes it goes too far, especially when it concerns scientific principles that need to be standardized. If you're not a scientist, then let the scientists do their work according to the rules of logic, reason, evidence, and practicality. So if the scientists say that Pluto was just the first of hundreds of small, icy, eccentric, extraplanar, comet-like, planetoidal bodies which will eventually be discovered, what's wrong with that? Demoting Pluto as the last of the planets and promoting it as the first of the Kuiper Belt objects is just the kind of thing scientists do all the time when new facts are discovered: they create new definitions, hypotheses, generalizations, and theories. If Pluto doesn't fit with the other eight planets and fits better with the multitude of comet-like objects in the outer reaches of the Solar System, then so be it. It also matters what whether we call it a planet, a planetoid, a minor planet, a dwarf planet, or Kuiper Belt Object because its definition and classification will affect the way it is indexed and arranged in the various databases and references that will be written from now on. That's the way of science. I guess people were also violently nostalgic when they thought Earth was at the center of the Universe and wanted to strangle Galileo (Copernicus was already dead then) when he pointed out that Earth was just one of the planets orbiting the Sun. So the answer to all the whiners and gripers who still wish that Pluto is the same as the other eight planets is: learn to live with it.
Here are my sentiments on the crazy decision recently made by a FEW for Pluto..........a friend informed me that Pluto was another Disney character not with Mickey....oh well, point made........leave Pluto alone!

PLUTO
Pluto, Pluto, my dear sweet little Pluto,
Tell me, tell me, oh where did you go?
I thought you were a little dog,
That Minnie and Mickey did share.
Now I hear you're no longer there!

Pluto, Pluto where doth thou now be?
Must be somewhere barking and using another's tree.
Pluto, Pluto, oh my dear sweet little Pluto,
Please, please come back to me!
peg touchstone     2006

on section RememberMe?   Not clear what to me what is meant....it would be alright with me if you choose to put this little poem in your section.......it is a satire with our intellectual science crowd......would you not think that a FEW will enjoy the benefits of the $$$$ made by all the new publications of books that will now be needed????
me thinkist so !
good
If Pluto is NOT a planet, then the REALLY important question is:  What little rhyme do we use to teach youngsters the planet names, now?  Formerly, it was something like "My Very Excellent Mother Just Sent Us Nine Pizzas"... or "My Very Excellent Mother Just Sewed Us New Pajamas".  But what now?  (And remember, you have to keep it clean... After all, this will be taught to kids!) I have a suggestion for all of us who grew up in the generation(s) with nine planets:  My Very Early Memories Just Still Use Nine.  :-)
I think that pluto should be put back on the solar map because without it well it just seems like that the solar system is the solar system plus no one has been there so if it is a planet they will have a reason to try to get there and well pluto needs to be on the map it was discovered and foundated by a man who said it was and he wouldn't be happy if he knew that they were talking it off the map
im am  researching this topic in school   i think that pluto is unique and should be a planet and besides even if its a dwarf planet it should and will be a planet hello DWARF PLANET THERES 'PLANET' IN THERE its not being addressed very  good  thanks
"If you're not a scientist, then let the scientists do their work according to the rules of logic, reason, evidence, and practicality. So if the scientists say that Pluto was just the first of hundreds of small, icy, eccentric, extraplanar, comet-like, planetoidal bodies which will eventually be discovered, what's wrong with that?... If Pluto doesn't fit with the other eight planets and fits better with the multitude of comet-like objects in the outer reaches of the Solar System, then so be it... guess people were also violently nostalgic when they thought Earth was at the center of the Universe and wanted to strangle Galileo (Copernicus was already dead then) when he pointed out that Earth was just one of the planets orbiting the Sun. So the answer to all the whiners and gripers who still wish that Pluto is the same as the other eight planets is: learn to live with it. "

First, the scientists did not make this decision using logic, reason, evidence, and practicality.  They did it in a backroom deal motivated by egos and politics rather than a genuine quest for knowledge.  Most of the four percent of the IAU members who voted on this are not even planetary scientists.  If the scientists "do their work" based on unscientific criteria, members of the public as well as other scientists have every right to question it and to reject it.

Second, Pluto is not comet-like and is much bigger than most of the hundreds of small icy objects in the Kuiper Belt.  No one has satisfactorily answered the question as to why an object the size of Pluto or Eris that has achieved hydrostatic equilibrium cannot be both a Kuiper Belt Object and a planet.

The issue of Pluto "not fitting with the other eight planets" is highly subjective. As we discover more KBOs and exoplanets, we likely will find out the term planet covers a far broader range of objects than the narrow definition the IAU adopted.  Why does an object have to orbit on the same plane as the first eight in our solar system or "clear its orbit" to be considered a planet?  These criteria are highly subjective and difficult to rationalize.

The comparison with Galileo is completely invalid.  Galileo pointed out a clear fact that broke with tradition--namely, that the sun is the center of the solar system, and the Earth is one of several planets that orbit the sun rather than the center of everything.  This is a cut and dry, clear distinction.  In contrast, the IAU decision is not subjective, blurry, and not something that can be clearly proven.  It depends on perspective (planetary scientists versus dynamicists) and values (how large must an object be to qualify as a planet?  can an object be a planet if it has an eccentric orbit? etc., etc.).  It's not a matter of "wishing" Pluto were still the same as the other eight planets.  We know there are many different types of planets.  That in no way tells us clearly that Pluto does not qualify as one of them.  We should not "learn to live with" a sloppy decision rejected by some of the top planetary scientists in the world, made with ulterior motives, just because a tiny minority of IAU members have so decreed.
I dont think that Pluto Should be counted off as a planet just because its small. Its a dwarf PLANET. DUH!!!! Its got the word PLANET in it dont it. I mean come on, its got to be a planet. Its just small, thats all. it shouldn't be accused like that!!! :)
i think that pluto should not ba demoted and that it is a planet i mean come on why did they call it a planet in the first place if its not huh? next thing they'll be tellig us is that jupiter is'nt a planet, just a big huge ball of gas
please stop pattronising pluto, pluto is a planet. saying its not is pathetic. please pause picking on pluto. we think plutos pretty. predjustice pricks!!!!

penny pinching pisspots
i want look video about pluto


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