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'Missing link' revisited

Posted: Monday, June 19, 2006 8:25 PM by Alan Boyle

Nothing makes a better headline than the phrase "Missing Link Found" - and last week's report about the 110 million-year-old bird fossils found in China served as a prime example. The researchers themselves accepted the idea that the ancient Gansus yumenensis represented in a missing link between the age of dinosaurs and the modern age of birds.

It's certainly thought-provoking that fossils dating from that far back - only a few tens of million years after the time frame for Archaeopteryx - look so much like present-day waterfowl, right down to the webbed feet. But what really got folks in a tizzy on both sides of the Darwinian debate was the use of the term "missing link."

For example, here's what Jason Rosenhouse said on EvolutionBlog:

"Of course, there is a fair amount of imprecision here, as typically happens in media accounts of scientific discoveries. There is no such thing as 'the' missing link. In fact, scientists tend to avoid the term 'missing link' altogether. What we can say is that these fossils have features that are transitional between those of ancient birds and those of modern birds. The idea that modern birds are the product of evolution becomes far more likely given the discovery of these fossils."

And here's part of a posting from The Panda's Thumb:

"One of the problems with press stories about science is that most of the time they add a 'hook' about the significance of the story that is misleading in some way. In particular, the phrase 'missing link' implies the mistaken idea that certain kinds of creatures have some special transitional status. But that is not true. Every fossil find is a link between earlier and later creatures, and they are all missing until they are found. The phrase 'missing link' implies, especially to that part of the public that has doubts about evolution, that somehow the particular find in question is of a special creature whose existence somehow now 'proves evolution.'

"This is exceedingly simplistic: no one in science has ever claimed that 'the enigma of bird evolution,' or any other aspect of evolution, has been 'solved'; nor does anyone in science believe that any one find will 'prove' evolution. The fact that evolution has occurred has been established by the accumulation of many, many thousands of pieces of individual evidence, of which this find is just one more. ..."

On the other side of the fence - in an item headlined "How Can They Call This Duck a Missing Link?" - Creation-Evolution Headlines says using the L-word is "scandalous":

"The news media should be ashamed of themselves.  What should have been interpreted as the falsification of common notions about bird evolution has been twisted into support for evolution. ..."

This tongue-lashing over "missing links" is enough to make me swear off the term from now on - even if the researchers themselves use it, or even if other news outlets apply the term to Gansus or past finds such as the Tiktaalik "fish out of water."

That sentiment would probably be seconded by the readers who sent in their comments on the story. Here's a selection.

Doug Smith: "So they find a bird that coexisted with dinosaurs …and they call that a link?  A link would be a cross between a dinosaur and a bird, with several transitions in bone structure, skin to feathers, etc.  Instead they have a ready-made bird living in the same time frame.  I believe scientists are really stretching when they call ‘coexistence’ a link."

Edward Verner, Pittsburgh: "I believe in the theory of evolution, but I am quite fascinated, amazed and surprised that such an old fossil looks so modern and appears not to be contemporaneous with the evolutionary track of other fossils of that era but so far ahead of them.
 
"I would be more comfortable, as I am sure many people would be, if a more transitional set of remains were to be found so that we could see gradual evolutionary changes occurring, rather than on one end a series of remains that more closely resembles an Archaeopteryx and on the other end a set of ancient remains that resembles modern birds in the form of the Gansus find - but a huge evolutionary gap in between. Just what does this really tell us, other than evolution occurred rather dramatically before 110 million years ago but then seems to have slowed down considerably since then - at least as far as birds are concerned? If that is true, why?
 
"Also, I wish someone would explain just what was the evolutionary reason for feathers. Surely the earliest feathers could neither keep a dinosaur warm nor could it allow it to fly, so why stay on a path that would take a substantial amount of time to provide an evolutionary advantage?"

Matthew Vezina: "It states in this article that it is possible that birds evolved in water rather than on land.  If that was indeed the case then may I suggest why birds evolving in water gained the use of flight.  If the flightless ancestor to this species spent most of its time in the water, then flight would have to develop as a response to predation and not hunting.  That is to say that the ancestor would develop flight as a means to escape aquatic predators, of which there were many very fast and dangerous examples. The means of propulsion that they developed for underwater hunting would adapt very easily to growing feathers to be used on the water for quicker evasion and ultimately leading from short hops along the surface to able flight."

David: "You should use different language. This only links birdlike creatures in the past with similar-looking birds in the present. It is not a 'missing link' in the Darwinian sense, as such sense has largely been abandoned outside of the media. As a 'missing link,' this loon is underwhelming. As a very old bird, it's cool."

Michael: "Fascinating stuff.  Beware! Every new link implies a transitional form both before and after each link, thereby doubling the number of 'missing links' for every one found.  Those pesky anti-evolutionists will thereby dream up twice as many objections than they could lay their hands on, than they had before the discovery of each new link.

"For them, the more dots one can connect in a straight line, the more gaps between dots.  Then they say each gap implies another weakness in the connection, rather than each dot implying greater continuity.  It takes a great deal of faith to detect uncertainty where you need it!  Ironic, isn't it?  Better and better proof can justify more and more doubt, if you just have faith!"

Sean: "Different 'missing links' seem to appear very frequently right now in the news. Ten or 20 years from now, I wonder how many of them will be the fanciful dreams of yesteryear. One doesn’t need to look very hard to find many of the so-called 'missing links' in our children’s textbooks, that we have known for some time to be mistakes or even frauds. Sadly, many of these mistakes have been purposely left in the curriculum for decades. I’m rarely surprised to see a new 'missing link,' but what would be a surprise is for the same bold print from the media in the form of a retraction when the 'missing link' turns out to be something else."

Jim: "What a bunch of quackery!"

Jason French: "Why do people continue to make fools out of themselves? Every single link to date has turned out to be something else upon further examination, and all of the bird link evolution fossils from China to date have been man made hoaxes. Haven’t you learned your lesson? Why not investigate properly before breaking the 'big story' that is not?"

Bill Wright, Manahawken, N.J.: "Links, in and of themselves, are puzzle pieces.  Each time we find a new piece, we say ... AH HA ... and are enthused to look for the next piece. 

"Likewise, each time [we find] an individual of a supposedly 'departed' species...the Laotian Rockrat and the 'God Almighty' woodpecker are two that come to mind ... we are encouraged to save one more chunk of unspoiled (if not virgin) land and look for the next wonder.

"And all this sure beats the heck out of assuming some omniscient old guy with a white beard and a stentorian voice created everything."

Alan C. Bean, M.D.: "I don't buy it.  The 'loonlike' bird is just that: a bird. The 'upright great ape' is also just that: an ape!
 
"Archaeology is one of the most unscientific forms of 'science' there is.  Instead of gathering the data and then looking for a reasonable forensic explanation of the facts (real science), they have their collective minds already made up in favor of evolution and then interpret every piece of data in light of that hypothesis.  That is simply not science! 
 
"Archaeology should be performed much like a forensic murder investigation: gather the data - without prejudice - and then figure out how the data collected can most likely be reconciled."

Dan Walker, Ph.D.: "Quite frankly, this concept of missing links being found every other day is absurd. Any dodo can see this fossil is a species of duck. Ducks have webbed toes. Does that mean the modern duck is a link between dinosaurs and birds? Duh. The evolutionists have been put in such a corner by intelligent design, that they are trying to flood the news with new 'proofs' for evolution. No intelligent person is buying. What about the lie that all scientists believe in evolution? I don't and I know many others who don't.
 
"The other thing you are never told in these stories about stupendous Chinese fossils is that the Chinese have gotten quite good at manufacturing fossils, putting various parts together. Now, I am not saying that this one is fake, but you'd better have good proof when you are reporting something that was not found and authenticated by Western scientists.
 
"Don't believe everything you read, especially about missing links."

Charles: "As an environmental scientist working for CalEPA, I do not see an intensive scientific study in this news article.  There is absolutely no evidence indicating these fossils found in dry mud to be more than a few thousand years old.  Any geologist knows that the rock holding the fossils would be made of extremely hard sandstone if the material is older.  Also, the feathers and fleshy web feet indicate the ducks were caught in a major flood - possibly the Genesis Flood at the time of Noah's Ark. I took a remote sensing class in 1972 at UC Riverside and saw the Ark via U-2 high altitude photos on Mount Ararat at about 14,500 feet.  In 1985, I went on an expedition with Col. Jim Irwin (astronaut) to climb Mount Ararat.  Our team was turned away by the Turkish army due to terrorist on the mountain, but we found the anchors Noah used, and saw a piece of the ark that a Turkish guide had extracted.  The information in this article is pure speculation - all creation scientists (thousands of Ph.D.s) know that there are no missing links."

Evan Birkby, Plano, Texas: "The so-called researchers are simply pushing their weak theories of evolution and not considering the real facts about these new bird finds.

"I really wouldn’t be surprised at all if a live specimen were found and had them continue to insist that it is a missing link. These birds had feathers and beaks, not arms and teeth, so why are they being called a missing link? They were clearly birds from the start, and not some descendant from other non-flying reptiles.

"If you want a scientific approach to research, don’t quote the extremist evolutionists that don’t see the possibility of intelligent design."

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Beginning with the correct terms, Archaeology is digging for manufactured products, Paleontology is digging for fossil remains of something that once was alive. Paleoanthropology is Paleontology strictly involving homonids. An ape is an ape but so is Man. The question is where should we draw the line since some apes are apparently more intelligent than some humans.
"Nothing makes a better headline than the phrase "Missing Link Found" -"

Not necessarily so. "Scientists (find/search for) Holy Grail of XXX" makes at least as big a splash. Leaving aside the argument as to whether scientists or journalists are more to blame for the prevelance of such cliches, the Annals of Improbable Research has turned the latter into the focus of ongoing humor. Considering the reactions of the readers, perhaps you could adopt the former for the same purpose.

Now, when cases of scientific misconduct start getting called Somesuch-Gate, we'll know to blame the journalists. We scientists only abuse certain cliches.
Awwww, Dennis ... you want to spoil all the fun! I'll try to ease up on the "holy grails" (you can only chase so many grails simultaneously), but at least no one (except maybe a rabid "Da Vinci Code" fan) believes the much-sought goal is an actual Holy Grail.
Simply because the fossil resembles modern waterfowl does not imply that "modern" birds evolved that early on.  Rather, it demonstrates the idea of "convergent evolution" wherein useful forms reappear independently several times.  Even if birds radiated into many forms that coexisted with dinosaurs, very few species probably survived extinction.  All modern birds would then be descended from these few survivors, which would then evolve to fill available niches--be it waterfowl or otherwise.  Even in existing bird groups we can see that aquatic characteristics have evolved independantly several times.  Why should ancient birds not follow the same pattern?
Amazing how many scientist wrote in debunking evo. Wow! I thought biology was science and no evo. no biology. So if you don't believe in evo. you don't believe in science. When I have a question about science I read what the National Academy of Science has to say, I figure maybe the most brilliant scientist in the world might know more than the individual who takes parables literally
Well I've always had trouble with evolutionary theory.  Every time I try to read a book on evolution I just put it down and ask, do they really expect me to believe this?  I see I'm not alone in this thought, as another poster says "Just what does this really tell us, other than evolution occurred rather dramatically before 110 million years ago but then seems to have slowed down considerably since then - at least as far as birds are concerned? If that is true, why?"  Evolution occurs randomly and dramatically, but I'm supposed to believe this is all "natural" and has nothing to do with a Creator.  And they say I believe in fairy tales!  I'll take Genesis over Evolution any day of the week.
If Gansus yumenensis is a hoax so is the Apollo space
program and so is America itself. You really believe Columbus ever found another continent? The earth is and will always be flat and you all know it.
This is a great find for scientist, and any scientist that doesn't know evolution is real science is crazy. You can't be real scientist and "believe" in intelligent design.  Will the religious freaks please stay out of scientific progess.
I love how the posts are saying "evolution happened dramatically 110 million years ago but is slow now."  The sheer inability to scale time in their minds is amazing.  In  110 million years there are now over 10000 identified species of birds from what is likely a select few ancestors.  How is this evolution slowing down?  Because transitions take time and are occurring constantly it's hard to "witness" evolution in real time.  The inability to see a process working is not the same as it not existing.  

At least there is substantial evidence for evolution, other... "theories" lack anything approaching that.

And wow, Noah’s ark, yea… aquatic bird caught in flood, got ya… I guess the dumb bird should have got on the boat...
I was once an evolutionist. However, there are many problems with the "theory". The largest problem with evolution in a macro sense is that there is an absence of transitional forms. On a biochemical basis, there are many problems with the "theory" (evolution is really not a theory in that the theory cannot be tested in an attempt to replicate the same things in a lab; ironically, that has been evolutionists' gripe against intelligent design, touting the issue that i.d. cannot be tested). There are a lot of smoke and mirrors with evolution "theory", and people would be wise to question the theory and form their own opinions.
I have trained as a scientist, took course work in evolution and USED to believe that evolution in the macro sense was fact. My intelliectual journey started when I read an article entitled "Geologists, Help!" by another scientist who wanted an explanation of how geologists could justify their circular logic  in their attempts to "prove" evolution by the geological record. (To oversimplify, geologists date rocks by assuming geological evolution is a fact, and then point to their dating sequence to say, "See, evolution is proven".)

I went on to further reading by scientists, not creationists, that discussed the numerous and as yet unsolved problems with evolutionary theory.

I also found statements by evolutionists that displayed intellectual bias against any other explanations offered for the data. For example, the former curator of the London Museum of Natural History (I think I remember that correctly) stated, "We do not believe in the theory of evolution because the evidence is so overwhelming, but because the only other explanation, Special Creation, is clearly unacceptable." THAT does not sound like science to me and is NOT how I was trained to approach scientific research.

A theory, even one like Darwinian evolution, can be tested 2 ways. The "Scientific Method" is based on creating repeatable tests that should show expected results if the theory is sound. This is how Einstein's Theory of Relativity was verified.

A second testing method is historical - the theory predicts what should be found in historical records (geology, fossils, etc.) and is considered "not invalidated" if expected results are found. (This kind of testing never really proves a theory, but renders it more or less likely to be true.) If expected results are NOT found and/or if contrarian results ARE found, the theory is considered to be proven false.

THAT is science. Yet, contrary findings to evolutionary theory are constantly being made AND IGNORED OR EXPLAINED AWAY. Scientists who dare to "buck the system" are punished professionally and academically. That is NOT science; it is philosophy.

I recommend reading "Darwin's Black Box" by Michael Behe for some details on the latest scientific problems with the theory of evolution.
"Darwin's Black Box" is certainly a popular number for those who doubt Darwin, and there are also newer crops of books on both sides of the evolution debate (which is more of a cultural debate than a scientific debate). I addressed this in an earlier posting: http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/9787346/#051023a ... and as long as we're on the subject of reference works, I always recommend http://www.talkorigins.org as a good one for answering the kinds of questions raised by "Darwin's Black Box" and other such works.
I see little if any serious, logical argument on either side of this.  Anyone who throws out the idea that evolution is/is not happening because no one has seen a new species evolve is being too subjective.  We still don't know what causes stable mutations, the most probable source of new species, so we still don't know what to look for.  Also, consider the life span of a typical species in the fossil record.  Specific forms of animals seem to last from 2 to 8 million years on average.  Some last much longer, but they are exceptions.  We have had serious scientific thought and observation for about 2400 years.  This may be just too short a time frame.  I have no problem with the Catholic form of Creationism, which accepts the Big Bang and several billion years of time involved.  The Bishop Usher idea that the universe was made a few thousand years ago, with all the geological formations made just to mess with our heads, shows a Deity too weird to be plausible.
"Evolution occurred rather dramatically before 110 million years ago but then seems to have slowed down considerably since then."  
Why do people use this as proof against evolution?  Evolution is not a steady process, there are many factors including climate, mating pressure, food, predation, disease, competition, etc that all come together to act on the genes of a population to produce the effect we call evolution.  No one ever said it was a neat process.  Some animals remain fairly unchanged over millions of years (crocodiles, sharks, many arthropods) while others are under seemingly constant change or are fairly new.  Evolution does not "slow down," there are probably many species to have evolved from this original creature that moved into niches quite different from water fowl and look nothing like this fossil.  There are also probably several modern relatives that are strikingly similar.  Convergence must also be considered.
And to suggest that this bird fossil actually proves that birds did not evolve from dinosuars simply because the animal was alive during the time of the dinosaurs is really simplistic.
Scientific Method: "How do we alter our theory to fit the hard facts?"

Creationist Method: "How do we alter the hard facts to fit our theory?"
Another point:  To say that both evolution and intelligent design cannot truly be tested is wrong.  While one may lack the technique or sophistication to carry out an experiment, if the hypothesis (evolution) aims at real world phenomena then it can eventually be designed and performed.  However, to prove or disprove the existance of God is a purely metaphysical endeavor and no technique can be used to experiment on this.  

Also, just because something is not known does not make it unknowable.  How life came to be as it is would definitely fall into this category!  Could you imagine where we would be if everything that was ever unknown was simply put up to the supernatural and left undiscovered?  (oh yeah, we'd be in the Old Testament)
Mark, you are indeed oversimplifying too much in describing how geologists use fossils to date the geologic record.  

Firstly, geologist noted that different strata or layers of rock contained different fossil assemblages well before the "Origin of Species" was published.  In fact, geologists were using fossils to relatively date and correlate rock units for over 60 years before its publication, without any need to invoke evolution or descent through modification.  

Geologists separated and named these rock layers or groups of layers based on the fossils they contained (biostratigraphy).  Logically, rocks and fossil below a given layer were interpreted as older, those above the layer were interpreted as younger.  This is called relative dating.  Certain fossil may persist in one or all of the rock layers, but others would only occur in one layer, thus they could be used to correlate and bracket the layers into different time units.  

Keep in mind, this was all done without knowing how old the rocks/fossils were or how/why they changed from layer to layer.  The pattern persists regardless of the explanation.  

As more and more fossils from across Europe and North America were described and compared with those first examined in England, it became possible to divide rock units into three or four distinct Eras of time (for example, Paleozoic, Mesozoic, and Cenozoic) each with their own suite of fossil organisms.  

We now know that evolution and repeated episodes of mass extinctions are the cause of these patterns, but relative dating and rock correlation using fossils would continue to be used today to successfully explore for petroleum and many other geologically derived natural resources, even if the process was not understood.  

As an aside, I find it disheartening when people confuse evolution with natural selection.  Natural selection is the theory by which Darwin proposed to explain the many species observed in the world.  Darwin himself, understanding the scrappy nature of the fossil record, did not like the idea of using the fossil record to study evolutionary processes, he has an entire chapter in Origins on this topic.  People should understand that natural selection, because it concerns and is based on the observations of living organisms, cannot be validated or invalidated by the fossil record.  Evolution, as in the idea that organisms change through time, can be tested by using the geologic record and has not been invalidated by any fossil thus far.
And I like to recommend these websites as good ones for answering the arguments against Darwin's Black Box.
http://www.trueorigin.org/

And of course, there is Discovery.org which most people are familiar with.

The consensus of evolutionists seems to be that the public is too stupid to grasp the truths of evolutionary science.  This condescending attitude doesn't help win converts.  Granted we non-scientists can get lost in the scientific jargon at times, but we don't all feel the need to support Darwinism at all costs.  Not everybody is into naturalism.  
   The verdict is still out on this "duck".  I'm willing to bet it is a genuine find though and not a manufactured find like we have seen from China in the past.  But it doesn't mean everything the evolutionists try and make it out to mean. Everyone is pretty quick to swallow the evolutionary story that this modern-looking bird that can both swim and dive(sound like a duck to anyone else?) somehow underwent extremely fast periods of change so that very early in the line of evolving birds we have this well-developed bird.  And everyone seems to be just accepting the line that all these soft tissues, feathers, etc were fully preserved for over 100 million years.  Maybe it is just me, but that seems to be stretching things a bit.
The term "Missing Link" is clearly a tactic used by journalists to grab an audiences' attention. Scientists would not use this term.  
However, I appreciate that the intelegent design backers have revealed their new strategy--all fossils from China are hoaxes. So I am to believe the Chinese can easily create mineralized fossils, but that some bits of wood on a mountain in Turkey are absolute proof of the Ark. Did anyone ever question why the Turkish authorities were eager to keep scientific expeditions away? Sounds too much like an "Indiana Jones" movie to me.
Why is it people have no problem believing a physics professor when he says an electron can be two places at the same time, but will insult, berate, and attack a biologist who says that if those tiny changes we see go on long enough it will turn into something different?
Well Daniel because electrons in two places do not threaten the very basis of how many people live their lives.  Evolution, theory or not, does.  Who has more to lose?  If a creationist convinces an atheist that God exists, no one loses (whether God exists or not).  If an atheist convinces a creationist there is no God, the former creationist realizes that his whole belief system was made up by people long ago and was maintained through the fear of retribution by a fictitious magical being.  Scientists as a community are always ready to hear the facts that change a theory and in fact I believe they are their own worst critics - even Einstein got left behind when he wouldn't accept quantum theory, but science moved on -- keeping what worked and throwing out what doesn't.  

What I find even more interesting is the overwhelming evidence that religion itself evolves over time too.  Perhaps that's a whole other topic to be handled on other websites.

In the meantime, my hat is off to those paleontologists who so diligently continue their search for the wonderful secrets of our past world.  Since I was a small child I've always enjoyed hearing about their new discoveries and have always enjoyed visiting museums where they display what they've found.  Please ignore all the rants and ravings and pointless bickerings of the rest of us, and thanks for your continued research!!
When man gets so SMART that he stopd asking the questions of matters that he doesn't understand or look for ways to better himself by learning from his mistakes and-or his misgivings, that's when we'll stop our natural progression and stagnate in our Evolution, if you're a Creationist or Atheist Evolutionist.
The following are not science websites:
Trueorigin.org
christiananswers.net
answersingenesis.org

They are pseudoscience websites.  

There are real science websites:
http://talkorigins.org/
http://www.pandasthumb.org/
http://scienceblogs.com/pharyngula/

The difference is that these guys are real, practicing scientists who have made actual contributions to science.  In fact, miraculously, their contributions to actual science outweigh their contributions to the theological community - imagine that!

Behe's concept of irreducible complexity is nonsense and is rightly rejected by the scientific community.  That's why he has to take his show to the ignorant public.

I love these stories that begin, "I used to be an evolutionist, but then I studied evolution..."

Then the person goes on to make statements that demonstrate unequivocally that they haven't done one iota of actual homework on the subject.  Then, they get all indignant and use misdirection and lies: "OH, YEA! So I have to be ignorant, just because I disagree with your atheistic evilututionary religion!"

No, you're ignorant of evolution, because nothing you write conveys the slightest understanding of the subject.

The critics of evolution are like 16 year old know-it-all tyrants, stamping their feet and screaming, "Well! NOBODY can tell ME that higher math is any good for anything! I've STUDIED IT!" when every sentence he utters reflects he hasn't even got his times tables straight.

Wherever you find a person who rejects evolution, you will find a person who
1) has a comic-book understanding of science, and
2) has a "knowledge" of evolution that amounts to barbershop gossip.

This is addressed to "Kyle," who posted this: "You can't be real scientist and "believe" in intelligent design. Will the religious freaks please stay out of scientific progess." Really? Some 'religious freaks' (i.e., persons who believed in the existence of God) in science: Galileo Galilei Isaac Newton Louis Agassiz Those three are just off the top of my head. There are certainly more. Care to explain why we should throw away the findings of those scientists who happen to believe in God? And this is addressed to 'TheFalliableField" who posted this: "Wherever you find a person who rejects evolution, you will find a person who 1) has a comic-book understanding of science, and 2) has a "knowledge" of evolution that amounts to barbershop gossip." Here's a challenge for you, then. Some time ago, 100 scientists from many different universities and fields of study published a two-page advertisement under the heading "A Scientific Dissent from Darwinism." Prove to me that ALL those scientists fit your description of having a comic-book understanding of science.
The list is over 600 now. Six hundred...that's a pretty paltry number. Very few of them have made substantial contributions to their fields. Have you ever heard of project Steve? Look it up. Guys like Dembski and Wells and their cronies are on that list. Dembski abuses the NFL theorems of David Wolpert who IS a real expert on the subject (having co-discovered them). Fundamentalists reject the real experts like Wolpert in favor of the guys who have made no contribution to science like Dembski. They reject the real experts like Mayr and accept the know-nothings like Wells. I don't have to prove anything to you, Barbara. I doubt it would be possible to prove anything to you. But my observation is based on many dozens of first hand encounters with creationists, including myself. And the numerous encounters I have with them since coming to that conclusion have only confirmed it. What I'd like to see is one clear counter-example.
I was greatly encouraged and surprised that so many writers have enough common logic to know that Macro-evolution NEVER happened. However, if those who still believe in evolution fairytale want to win this argument, all they need to do is; get their brilliant heads together and assemble a 'simple' living cell. This should be possible, since they certainly have a very great amount of knowledge about what is inside the 'simple' cell.

After all, shouldn't all the combined Intelligence of all the worlds scientist be able the do what chance encounters with random chemicals, without a set of instructions, accomplished about 4 billion years ago,according to the evolutionists, having no intelligence at all available to help them along in their quest to become a living entity. Surely then the evolutionists scientists today should be able to make us a 'simple' cell.

If it weren't so pitiful it would be humorous, that intelligent people have swallowed the evolution mythology.

Beyond doubt, the main reason people believe in evolution is that sources they admire, say it is so. It would pay for these people to do a thorough examination of all the evidence CONTRARY to evolution that is readily available: Try answersingenesis.org. The evolutionists should honestly examine the SUPPOSED evidence 'FOR' evolution for THEMSELVES.

Build us a cell, from scratch, with the required raw material,  that is with NO cell material, just the 'raw' stuff, and the argument is over. But if the scientists are unsuccessful, perhaps they should try Mother Earth's recipe, you know, the one they claim worked the first time about 4 billion years ago, so they say. All they need to do is to gather all the chemicals that we know are essential for life, pour them into a large clay pot and stir vigorously for a few billion years, and Walla, LIFE!

Oh, you don't believe the 'original' Mother Earth recipe will work? You are NOT alone, Neither do I, and MILLIONS of others!

PS: Please don't lie about the 'first life' problem, scientists are falling all over themselves to make a living cell. Many have admitted publicly that it is a monumental problem. And is many years away from happening, if ever.  Logical people understand this problem and have rightly concluded that an Intelligent Designer was absolutely necessary. Think of it this way, if all the brilliant scientists on earth can't do it how on earth can anyone believe that it happened by accident?????
Jim C.  The task you set is irrelevant:
1) The fact of evolution doesn't rely on our being able to duplicate it.

2) Being able to duplicate life would not not prove evolution.

Therefore your task is irrelevant.  Scientists cannot create a sun or a planet and yet we know they exist.  We can, perhaps, create microscopic black holes, but we cannot create pulsars or supernovae - and yet we know they exist.

Try to understand what science is and how it works.  Try to understand what evolutionary theory actually says.  


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