Let the Work continue.  Remember, the AMA once said (of germs) that they did not believe in anything that they could not see and that any doctor washing his hands before surgery would have their liscense revoked. These were "educated scientists" too. Let the dig continue.

Massive manmade blocks found at the Bosnian Pyramid of the Moon and Bosnian Pyramid of the Sun excavation  are pyramids. Yet the belief – or not – in the existence of the pyramids is dividing communities within Bosnia.



Surprisingly, perhaps, to outsiders, Bosnia’s own archaeological community remains opposed to the excavation of the pyramidal structures, claiming it will damage the ruins of a Medieval town on the top of the Pyramid of the Sun.



The Foundation responds that the medieval ruins are protected by an ‘exclusion zone’; no excavations are taking place within this area.

Quote: “Official State people have been on the site to check all our work and they confirmed that all the work is being done 200 metres away from the protected zone.”



Supporters of the pyramid theory also point out, somewhat wryly, that it was these very experts who should have protected the Medieval ruins in previous years; very little now remains of these old structures, something for which the excavations are now taking the blame.



Even English experts have been drawn into the wrangle. Prof Anthony Harding, president of European Archaeological Association wrote to The Times to say that the project at the Bosnian Pyramids was destroying the town at the top of the site – after a 15 minute trip bypassing the pyramid.



Despite the divisions, the excavations go on and the site is raising considerable interest from international experts, including experts from Egypt who are currently on site.



The level of interest is such that the Foundation has put out an urgent request for additional administrative and funding support for its work.

I don't understand all of the controversy. The existence of Pyramids in Egypt is hard enough to believe when you consider the sheer volume of materials that had to be moved hundreds of miles. Thousands of blocks of rock weighing many tons were then cut by hand and shaped perfectly to fit next to the blocks surrounding them. There are places like Easter Island where many tall statues chiseled out of solid rock came from nowhere. There are rock and cave paintings of men or alien beings wearing space suits. If there is any possibility that we can learn more about the history of mankind and/or the intervention of aliens in our development as a species, we need to pursue the truth. There are always skeptics that belong to cultures and religions that feel their beliefs and the power that comes from the spreading of these beliefs may be challenged or proven to be untrue. If the Bosnian Pyramid exists, there could be information found within that could radically change our knowledge of human origin, purpose, and our place in the universe. The experienced archaeologists that are worried about ruining real artifacts should go help oversee the dig. My opinion, and I'm just an average guy, is that I believe in scientific evidence and only what I can see for myself. We must keep digging if we ever want the real truth, regardless of how far the finds may take us from our comfort zone or present belief systems.

If Zawi Hawass thought enough of the project to send a representative from Egypt, who verified that the pyramid was man made, and the European Archaeologists made only a 15 minute cursory evaluation of the site, Common sense would dictate that the dig should continue.

I really don't see why there is all of the disapproval of the dig. If it turns out to be natural then the skeptics will be happy. If it does turn out to be a pyramid , and hopefully it will, then I am sure that they will still find something that will be wrong. It is funny that it took so long for someone to come up with the idea that there is a pyramid there.
From the pictures that they show the rocks look manmade to me. I think that it is hard to say that the rocks are natural and that there just happens to be tunnels by these rocks. Hopefully we will find out what is going on in that valley soon.

I'm sure Dr. Daniel Jackson would find this all very interesting...  Kind of reminds me of the crazy guy who claimed that a Barbie doll was an ancient fossil and tried to get it carbon dated to verify his claims.

But, that said, I don't think it will hurt anyone to just take the time to completely disprove his claims.

To OneWolf:
I have no problem with work continuing.  But I think it should continue with real archaeologists not someone who thinks that the Maya came from outer space as Osmanagic does.

To Safet Zec:
Dr. Harding did not make a "15 minute drive by" the pyramid site.  This is what they are telling y'all.  He went and walked the site, blending in with the crowds of tourists so he could look around without being shown what they wanted him to see.  The letter to UNESCO also has information showing that there has been digging on the hilltop near the protected ruins.
Most of what we have seen pictures of are natural geological formations that happened with these hills folded upwards millions of years ago from the pressure of the earth's plates coming together as was explained  by the Tulza University geologists who studied the site.

Referring to the very modern (in comparison) remains that are reported to sit atop the hill being investigated, perhaps if the critical archaeologists had paid more attention to them the pyramid would have been discovered years ago by someone more 'qualified', 'credible', 'scientific', 'acceptable' and 'intellectual' than Mr. Osmanagic.

As it has turn out, good intuition, hard work, common sense and faith have had to be used instead.

Good luck Bosnia.

I think the Bosnian pyramid could prove to be a major archaelogical discovery if only scientists would stop trying to disprove it.  Who would have thought that there were pyramids in the middle of the rain forests in South America? What about American Indian mounds that were thought to be only hills in the past?  Come on, this could be a missing page in the civilization of man.  Why waste time being pessimistic?  They should embrace this as an opportunity to rewrite history.  I mean, even Eintstien's Theory of Relativity is being questioned these days.  Why not have hope that this could be something great instead of so much nay-saying.  I, for one, am totally for it.  Good luck and God bless!

There are pyramids all over the world, not just egypt and mexico.  True, these other pyramids aren't always built from the same monoliths as others, and their exact structures are often extremely different, but so are the differences between the pyramids in Mexico and Egypt.  Other countries with pyramids are, China, Greece, France, Spain, Italy, and perhaps even the sunken one in Japan.  No, all of these are not the enourmous structures we think of when someone says pyramid, but the shape, and often the function, remains the same.

I see no reason to doubt the claims(aside from Osmanagic being an amateur archaeologist, and the "experts" not liking the fact that he might be the one to uncover it.) I hope they do find a pyramid there, just to shake things up.  If not, oh well, that's science.

To Katherine Reece

FYI: Mr A  said on the press conference that he was there only 15 minutes. He went there without meeting people from foundation to show him around (there is already over 100 locations where digging is taking place). There is no evidence that he was there. As true profeesional he should meet people (Mr Semir Osmanagic) and defend his case, not to sneak around.
Actually he wrote against pyramid b4 he went there. He wrote a letter (The Times) against the pyramid in April 2005. How can he write about something If he did not see it at that time. There is no digging going on anywhere in protected zone.
I think we need to help Mr Osmanagic to speed up to find out ASAP true about it, othervise this will drag forever.
Sceptics are already unhappy so much about it, I'm just guessing why is that.
Check it out here.   www.bosnianpyramid.com.

The investigation needs to continue.  After all, the earth was once flat and only birds could fly.

To Rich G:
As I said in another post here the "man made" block are jointed and fragmented bedrock that broke apart under stress when the plates came together millions of years ago.  The tunnels are ancient mining tunnels dating from as long ago as 3,500 BC when the area was being mined for copper.

Anyone interested in learning more on how the "man made" appearing blocks are natural can visit this post on my website http://www.hallofmaat.com/read.php?1,406068,406068#msg-406068

Also it might be helpful if y'all read the letter we sent to UNESCO so you can see why we are concerned.

http://www.hallofmaat.com/unescoletter.doc

Ray Cherry:
Those hill top remains have been studied .. matter of fact they are a National Monument!

Referring past history..the existence of the pyramids in Egypt and even more interesting pyramids in central and south american and the earlthy pyramids in north america would it be so hard to believe that there are actually pyramids in Bosnia?  No..history has told us that over time things and places are lost to the world because of war, famine, plague and even natural disaster. So keep digging and using the lastest technology in the hands of trained archaeologists to find the true, after all we are making history here!

let the exploration continue (new tools,perhaps,may minimize damage);one never knows what to expect.

Even if these features are natural the tunnel should be investigated, as with any cave dating back to the ice age, for remains of primitive man and his culture.

The question is whether or not they are TRULY pyramids.  So what is the definition of pyramid.  If they are in fact large hills covered with man-made stones to form a pyramid shape then wouldn't they truly be pyramids.  Not necessarily from the ground up pyramids like the Egyptians or Mayans but still a pyramid nonetheless.  Simple logic folks.

Let them dig.  If it turns out to be something man-made (whether pyramid or ancient skatepark) it will be of interest to archaeology and the study of Europe's history.  Who knows, it might give a healthy boost to Bosnian tourism and positive foreign exposure.  If it turns out to be naturally occuring then geologists will be able to sharpen their speeches on "natural rocks that happen to look man-made" (perhaps saving face for other would-be archaeologists).  We all must remember another amatuer archaeologist: Heinrich Schliemann whose "crazy" claims in the 1870s turned out to be mostly correct.  Osmanagic might believe that the Maya were decendants of the roswellian sort, but let's not forget that even notable scientists hold to some pretty kooky personal beliefs.  How many learned men bought the book "Dianetics" and thought: "This is great stuff!"?

if it turns out to be pyramids at all, i'm sure someone else built it..the Bosnians don't have enough savvy to undertake such a mammoth task...then or now

The digging should continue, but in a top-down or out-to-in fashion, taking care of the medieval sites first. Who knows? While surveying, the archaeologists who would have to conduct such an operation might find ice/stone-age camp remains preserved somewhere on the hill surface, illustrating their natural/non-monumental point.

Readers should take issue with the comments from leading archaeologists that no-one from the claimed time periods had monument-building capabilities. That is an opinion, and they should know better than to make such conjectures, given that we spend so many resources trying to prevent the deterioration of the monuments we have found. What keeps monuments from having deteriorated past our recognition before we found them? Besides, humans have never been stupid or incapable-- Newgrange in Ireland is rumored far older than Stonehenge and yet has never leaked a drop of rain in the inner sanctum. How long and with how many failed experiments did it take humans to create something like that? Why could not a pyramid in Bosnia have been one of those experiments? (Ignoring any knowledge we have of ancient trade and migration routes, of course.)

On the other hand, nothing so far truly confirms the Bosnian pyramids as synthetic structures. No, not even the regularly angular and seemingly polished paving stones, or the purported tunnels. The Giant's Causeway in Ireland and Scotland, anyone? How about those interesting lava tubes in New Mexico, USA? The reports of a sandstone block with writing on it in the tunnels lend them no credence-- even amateurs know you need to document something in its place before moving it, and there seems to be nothing so far. It will probably be reported "lost in transit to Egypt" and start some conspiracy theories.

If archaeologists truly want to lay this to rest once and for all, they need to cease this foolish whining about paying attention to upstarts, rich nuts, and conspiracy theorists, and get out there to dig. Once they find some hard evidence and write some reports, the news will be all over it either way, rather than just the bloggers. If the talk about rich nuts funding the testing of radical theories of origin at this site is true, legitimate archaeologists won't even have to dig into their own funds-- just get a sponsor!

Let them keep digging.  The more they find out, the better.  Also, let their work be peer-reviewed by other archaeologists the way science experiments are.

I think a quick test/mapping of the site with precision GPS equipment, using civil engineering personnel from a neutral country, would probably put this to bed pretty quickly. As for the blocks, I would suggest archaeologists from the University of Mexico City examine them for tool or quarrying marks. Science will find the evidence - but there are some who will not like the results.

We won't know until the site has been excavated what is truly there.  Here is more potential proof of the length of time mankind has been on this Earth.

This is a classic example of cultural racism, the notion that "primitive" cultures can't possibly have possessed the creativity and ability to build such structures.  It is a very disturbing argument...

Sometimes the greatest discoveries are those that are made by amateurs.  Don't think so?  It was a bunch of backyard amateur astronomers that discovered a comet heading for Jupiter (Shoemaker-Levy Comet). Probably one of the greatest discoveries in astronomy next to the moon landing.
It is possible to think maybe the science community is in an uproar over the pyramids because accredited professionals didn't make the discovery first and  yet it is amateur scientists who are still hunting for the truths that remain hidden.
Just because another's "idea" doesn't meet the reality of the masses doesn't mean they are a sham.  They are just eccentic. Take Newton or even Da Vinci. Everyone thought they were way out there but their ideas are now looked at as chief science by accredited professionals.
If this discovery pans out to be true I hope the critics will apologize to Semir Osmanagic and get back to real science.  

As the Public Works people in my county say: Let the digging continue. It is a job and pays someones bills.

Please...  I can't wait until some actual, credible archaeology gets done over there and discredits this farce.

Finding a pyramid in Bosnia from that time period would be akin to finding an ipod in the excavation as a 19th century mining town.  It's just silly.

I  HAVE BETTER THINGS TO WORRY ABOUT .. LIKE HOW I AM GOING TO PAY NEXT M0NTH'S BILL .. AND FILLING UP THE GAS TANK ...

LET THEM DIG AWAY

What's the problem? As I understand the situation there are three potential pyramid sites, one with
a neglected and crumbling medieval site on top of it.
So dig a hill with no town on top of it first. If you find something great. If not you may want to reconsider other sites. But as with all science you will not know until you try. Conjecture and ego are not good scientific instruments, research is. So let them dig and they will either dig themselves into a very large hole or advance historical knowledge. If
"credible scientists" want to join the project, let them. But don't knock the work until the results are in.

In my opinion, the investigation should continue.  It is interesting to see how the established archeological community scoff and ridicule findings that don't match their theories and/or viewpoints.  How much more could we have learned about our past if a more open-minded approach had been used regarding other discoveries or opinions.  It appears to me that many such "misfit" discoveries are discarded as hoaxes or natural oddities if they don't fit the mold.

Dig it all up. If it's real, we'll gain countless knowledge. If it's not, we've lost nothing but time.

As frequently is the case in politics, it should not be difficult for an observer to determine which side has the more compelling position. Osmanagic has offered concrete evidence: stone structure, flat 45* surfaces alligned to the cardinal points, man made caves and more... is open with his opinions; and invites more exploration. "Established" voices on the other hand choose to ignore his evidence,  resort to maligning his charactar and insist the uncomfortable anomalies be closed down and shut off from further investigation. Doesn't take much effort to determine which side is most credible and deserves our support. Does it?

I have been invoved extensively in blogs where a lot of "expertise" has been presented on this topic. Though I am skeptical of the claims for a pyramid, I am frustrated to hear the objections being mostly based on assumptions which have the form: "What we know about the site - Geologically and historically, say such and such, therefore it wrong to look for anything that does not fit this current knowledge"

I think they should coninue looking, even if I think they are wrong! Maybe they will find something. And if the archeologial professionals what to go along and make sure that the dig deals professionally with  those precious  medeival and roman artificats which they probalby were never going to dig up anyway, then some real tangible good will have been accoplished!

There is no harm in continuing the dig, eventually the truth will come out. I don't thing they can cover this up. So dig on.

They thought the guy who went looking for Troy was crazy; they told him it never existed, it was just a story Homer made up.  Then when he found a city that matched the discriptions, of the right age, in the right location with all the signs of a prolonged seige, they had to eat their words.  

Why not dig?  How do you think we find fossils and gravesites and all that other good stuff except that someone spots a likely-looking place and starts to dig.  This looks as likely as anything else.  Even if it is a natural hill, surely the people who lived there thousands of years ago would have found it interesting--just as we do--and probably left some evidence of their interest there.  

We must stop this excavation immediately!  The arrogance of Osmanagic to imagine that he might have made perhaps the greatest discovery of all time!  I laugh when I think that he must believe he has a significant piece of the puzzle of who we are and where we came from.  Leave these things to the people that have all the right credentials, all the right affiliations.  For these are the very people who can give us the text book answers that we must accept being the sheep that we are.  That a self taught amateur dares to stand up to the establishment and believe he may have found something, and dares to express an unacceptable opinion that there may be an extraterrestrial connection - stop this insurrection and then...off with his head!!

So many times, over so many centuries, the "experts and naysayers have been proven wrong. Piltdown Man anyone? How many poor students of archaeology and anthropology were taught the "truths" learned from that classic hjoax?!

Leave the guy alone and let him dig. I don't think he will do nearly as much damage to 'precious' sites as he will to Mark Rose's ego if it proves to be true that these hills are pyramids.

Hm...I would like to believe that this is an artificial structure, but Osmanagic's conclusions do not necessarily conform to his findings so far.  As I understand it, he has excavated a small area on a rather enormous hill and found (supposedly) artificial paving stones.   Well, even assuming that they ARE artificial does not mean the entire hill is covered with them.  Maybe he's just found some ancient guy's patio.  It's his claim that the entire hill is an artificial pyramid when all he's actually found is just this little bit of debatable evidence that bugs me...though I'm not too happy about his claim about the Mayans' outer-space connection either.

On the other hand, not every great discovery has been made by credentialed scientists.  If tomb robbers could stumble across the Egyptian Royal Cache, then I see no reason why we should completely discredit Osmanagic.  He may not have found an Atlantean building, but he's probably found SOMETHING.

To: Katherine Reece

If you are so concerned about a site, you should be there helping a Bosnians with your expertise but not try to stop this project.
Everyone knows that something is hidden under the Visocica Hill. We, as Bosnians, have a right to dig and find out, and we will do it.
We know that from South America that Churches have always been built on top of the pyramids without knowing of pyramids underneath.
This is not unusual, have a look

http://www.alternativnahistorija.com/AH8_files/image056.jpg

In Visocica case we have few cultures on top of each other. (Illyrians, Romans, Bosnians and more and we will find) ...

Regards from  Bosnia,


Check for the latest information about digging here.
wwww.bosnianpyramid.com

I belive the excavation should continue. The man made tunnels and that radar and satilite imagery shows exactly perfect gemoetriic lines. If the pyramid is real it would give amazing insight in to the earliest civilizations and their intelect.

I think the dig should continue. You cannot listen to the world's scientific elite, they think everything they don't already know about doesn't exist. besides, it would be fun to watch them have to rewrite some of the history for the last 10,000 years.

The cubit form of measure matches both in Egypt and Mexico, which tells me there is a universal connection in regard to pyramid construction.  Just ask Leonard Nemoy.  Not to mention the general lack of knowledge of civilizations even immediately pre-dating what we consider the "pyramid builder" cultures.  It's entirely possible that this structure was abandoned, and then reclaimed by the ice age tribes, which confuses the notion of who built it.  Such is the general conclusion with the Sphinx. There are many discoveries yet to be made, I just hope they happen during my lifetime.

All I have to say is, if you haven't been to Visoko, if you did not climb to the top of that "hill", if you haven't seen the uncovered blocks, pretty much if you do not have a clue about what is going on there, then do not make or offer your opinion. It would be worthless.

First, the blocks are being uncovered on all sides of the pyramid (not just a single patch as one reader mentioned). Second, the blocks are man made (Katherine, tell me how is it possible that Earth is capable of producing concrete, smart crust folding, eh?) Third, the pyramids can't and probably won't ever be uncovered completely, there is a serious possibility of mud slides. If enough trees and dirt are removed without proper planning, the top would slide and destroy the town beneath.

I would personally prefer if Osmanagic himself covered the blocks in dirt and played the world for the benefit of the local tourism. I am just happy that for once in its bloody history, Bosnia is in the news for something other than war.

Dig, make those pyramid sculptures, sell those t-shirts and make sure you overcharge the foreigners.

Hmmm... Time to put on my tinfoil hat and grab a shovel.  After all, we ALL know that "The Truth is IN There."

To dig, or not to dig.  This is your question.  My question is what the )&%*$( are you people all in a tizzy for?  The sides are lining up like this.  WE (group #1) want to discredit those persons of professional standing who are discrediting a ego besotted with itself, but only if you believe those who hate egos to begin with.  I say let the diggers dig, they will any way, and I can prove it! Scientifically.  My dog, who obeys my every command, refuses to obey my one command,  which is to stop digging holes in the yard.  SO,  let the diggers dig.  Let the discrediters discredit, and professionals  profess, and so on and so forth and so what!

Pyramids in Bosnia?  We should involve the Air Force.
They could deliver two 500 pound bombs strategically placed and remove all soils from the said structure.  No loss of life, area would be evacuated prior to strike, and the mystery would be unearthed(no pun intended). As for the medieval city atop of the mound, we should use our SETI program to request the aliens to relocate the tiny town to an alternate location safe from the impact.  We will give them 30 days to answer or we could hire 50,000 egyptians to move the city stone by stone.
 This is a very reasonable technique because it involves "blowing things up" and guys like to do that sort of stuff. So lets make the dirt fly!

It is odd to me that so many accredited archaeologists would immediately discredit this discovery w/out having laid eyes on it at all.  I can only assume that this would upset their longheld and published theories on the history of civilization as we know it.  It is a sad day when your own arrogance and belief system disrupts real science.  If you really want get them going, then suggest that this pyramid must have been covered in mud following the biblical flood and that this could be the tower of Babel.  Won't that be fun!

Looks like the same old human drama is playing once again.  You just have to admire both sides of the battle and all those in between.

Without the “believer”,  “dreamer” and “amateur” would we ever discover anything new?  Without the “cynic”, “skeptic” and “critic” would new discovery's be put to the test?

Both sides have there purpose.  Admire the believer, dreamer and amateur.  For they help discover the new truth.  Admire the cynic, skeptic and critic for they help maintain truth.

The battle is being waged between both sides and when the dust settles what will be left is truth.  Admire the battle.

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